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"Tinkerntom" wrote in message oups.com... I am surprised that Scott has let you slide this long on this one. What's a "Scott"? Maybe cause you let me slide on something ealier. Naw, no chance! I commend you for you charity work, A couple of bucks a year to the guys selling poppies........big deal. How did you know? however the above do not represent a community. Only a small fraction of a community, as there are households without guns in possession, all are under hopefully the protective umbrella of those police officer and military who do carry firearms. You really don't have any idea of what the word "community" means, do you? Obviously the Tibetan Buddist in their isolation from the rest of the real world, found that all military possession of firearms is not benevolent, and certainly not something that can be separated from in isolation. Same with orphanages and convents, they may not have a firearm in their possession, but there is more than likely one in th vicinity. There is a star going supernova somewhere "in th vicinity". So? I hate being a pragmatist sometimes, I hate being a .,xdnmgster sometimes. but I found that utopian ideology left me feeling very vulnerable. Don't look now, sparky, but you are. Sorry about bursting your bubble. TnT I'll get over it......or I won't.......got any shiny new nickels? Wolfgang |
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================= As to the USA, perhaps the 20% decline is due to the dot-com economic explosion under the careful stewardship of President Clinton. Huh? ===================== Hey, it was my attempt at humor. I was trying to yank your chain. With 10,000 comedians out of work, I'll stick to my day job. Weiser responding to my thesis that there is a causal link between unemployment and crime: ================ Sorry, but no. I dispute your thesis and your conclusion. ================== As with most of the "relationships" we're going to talk about in regard to crime statistics, I think the causal link will be difficult to impossible to prove. Nonetheless, I'll stick with my position that there will generally be a strong relationship between poverty and crime. More specifically, I'll argue that "relative" poverty (related very closely to income disparity within a society) will show a very strong correlation to crime. Give me a few hours, and I'll find you the statistics. You may well continue to dispute the relationship and, I guess, that'll be the end of the argument as neither of us will be able to prove or disprove causality. But, the same goes for your supposed gun-ownership vs lower crime rate causality. Weiser again: =============== Japan is a surprise at +49%. But perhaps not. If we note that the decade in question was not particularly kind to Japan economically, we ought not to be surprised that crime was up in Japan. Which has exactly what to do with the issue? ================ We were looking at increasing and decreasing crime rates. Japan had a fairly significant increase in crime over the decade in question. That's what it has to do with the issue. It is a nation. It has a crime rate. Did I miss something? I thought that's what we were talking about. Further, given my thesis, the increased crime rate is easily explained. Does your thesis do as good a job explaining crime rate changes in Japan? Weiser says: ================= While economics may play some part in the rates of crime, and in the rates of change in crime, your argument fails because despite improvements in the economies of the US, GB, Canada and Australia, the rate of change in violent crime STILL goes up in nations where guns are banned, ================= Please note: crime rates in Scotland and Canada`went DOWN. [economic sidebar: although manufacturing goes in the crapper in Scotland, North Sea oil revenues come rolling in at a time that Scotland goes for greater economic independence through devolution. Another example that fits my "economy as causal factor" thesis] I think you're going to have difficulty refuting the "economy as causal factor" in crime thesis. Further, how do the former communist regimes fit your model. It seems to me, that people now have much greater access to guns than under the commies. Or are these going to be statistical outliers in your model? Perhaps your model only has applicability in the USA. Perhaps what works in Florida is irrelevant in Florence. frtzw906 |
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wrote on 2/27/05 4:33 PM: "KMAN" wrote in message ... in article et, rick at wrote on 2/27/05 6:22 AM: "KMAN" wrote in message ... You are a liar and a coward. ================= LOL I provided sites for you. You are the one afraid to find out the facts... Thanks again for proving your willful ignorance, and the fact that you have nothing to back up your claims.... Prove it. If you can't you are either a liar, a coward, or both. ================= LOL I provided sites for you. You are the one afraid to find out the facts... Thanks again for proving your willful ignorance, and the fact that you have nothing to back up your claims.... Your refusal to respond by providing the references proves that you are in fact a liar, coward, or both. ================== You're continued lying about providing posts is hilarious fool. I did provide sites that backed up my claims. You haven't refuted my claims. You can't, so you spew your willful ignorance instead. You have made no posts that prove Canadians are dying in waiting lines for health care. You are a liar and a coward. |
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at wrote on 2/27/05 4:36 PM: KMAN wrote: in article , Tinkerntom at wrote on 2/27/05 2:39 PM: KMAN wrote: in article , Tinkerntom at wrote on 2/27/05 4:44 AM: KMAN wrote: in article , Tinkerntom at wrote on 2/27/05 3:26 AM: KMAN wrote: in article , Tinkerntom at wrote on 2/26/05 6:58 PM: BCITORGB wrote: In case Scott doesn't like the NZ stats, here are some from Australia... http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/pdfs2/hosb502tabs.xls Homicides per 100,000 population - average per year 1998 to 2000 USA 5.87 New Zealand 2.28 Sweden 2.06 Australia 1.87 Canada 1.79 England & Wales 1.50 Netherlands 1.40 Germany 1.19 Denmark 1.00 So, for me, these statistics beg the question: WHY? Why is the muder rate so much higher in the USA? Are there extenuating factors? Hmmm..... [in the case of Canada we know, of course, that hundreds of people are murdered every year by the state -- waiting in medical treatment lines GRIN] frtzw906 So frtwz, are you acknowledging on KMANs behalf that rick is correct in what he has been claiming? Now can we all move on? GRIN TnT Tinkerntom, I'm actually surprised that a man of your high moral stands has not jumped in to criticize rick for being a liar and a coward. Why is that? I learned in my bar fighting days, that if it's not my fight, there is nothing gained by getting my nose broke! You and rick look to be having a good dance, so I don't see no cause to cut in! TnT You cut in all the time! Why be such a priss on this issue? FYI, it's not just with me that rick is a liar and a coward. His behavior is rather universal on that note. On Feb 13, at 6:21 I warned frtwz about engaging in a dialog with rick, and I have continued to do so on a number of ocassions. At that time I caught a little heat from r myself. But you have been around for awhile, and I have observed this phenomenon between the two of you before. So you should know better! Besides, on a lot of points, I probably would not necessarily disagree with the guy, I just try to be a little more civil in my conversation. Now he has been around for a lot longer than I so maybe he has learned something that I have yet to learn. However in the meantime I will just watch and learn, he's a great teacher. Of what? More of how! How not to communicate, you don't get your message through very well with all this spitball shooting. Do you think rick is interested in any messages? He's not even interested in supporting any of his own statements. I don't know, he has a nice website with nice stories and pictures, I suppose there is a message there. I don't know him personally, so I don't know what his credentials are for the current topic. I believe he lives up there in your neck of the woods somewhere on this side of the border. So he may have some personal experience or ax to grind. As I said before, last post, I have not bothered to find the contentious post by either of you, and have tried to ignore this particular part of the thread. Not my responsibility to certify the post of anyone but myself. As far as cutting in all the time, I only cut in when I choose to cut in, and sometimes I choose to not cut in, specially when I stand to get my toes stepped on. The music you guys have been dancing to is really bad, and your moves are pretty ugly, but if yu are enjoying it, carry on. Don't let me interfere! TnT How so? Well I am not the one getting hit by the spitballs! And if you were, you probably wouldn't know! No I usually know, and I have sensed some zinging around, but I've learned to duck most of the time. Rick is claiming that Canadians are dying in waiting lines for health care, but he refuses to support his claim, and worse, says that he has done so, when everyone can see that he hasn't. That makes him a liar and a coward Tinkerntom, and so to (cowards) are all those who cower in the closet, afraid that their "toes will get stepped on." I've had my nose broke a enough times to show that I am no coward That sounds a bit more like foolish than brave :-D It was not probably the smartest, but hey you don't get paid for being smart! and I am certainly not cowering in my closet. I am here in the forum ready to discuss in a reasonable fashion what so ever I feel inclined to discuss. I basically don't know that much about the Canadian Medical System Neither does rick. So you say! and whether people are dying waiting in line, I have no personal knowledge to make any comments. I have been watching this converstion with rick to see if any substantial info would surface, and have yet to see anything that I can really ruminate on from either side. Well Tinkerntom, it's very simple. Rick has made the claim, and he has failed to support it. Do you agree? I agree, that you claim, that he made the claim, and failed to support it. No mystery here after watching this squabble for the last week! And yet the bottom line as I see it, is that it is your system, and if it works for you, that is your business. It would only become my business if someone tried to enforce the system or some variation here in the States, which Hillary tried, and at the time, the majority of the people decided that we preferred the existing system we already have. But do you agree that rick has made a claim that he has failed to support? Ask, and answered! The topic at hand is really quite irrlevant to the question. Maybe, possibly, probably! Now as far as r being a liar and a coward, I don't know. I came back refreshed from vacation to find you two carrying on. I don't know when or where it started, and mostly have tried to ignore your spat. I have not seen any point in getting involved, or of even going back and trying to find the supposed and questioned post by either one of you. I have enough trouble keeping my post square as you well know from our previous experiences. I have been told back in the beginning by my good friends Wilko and riverman, not to say anything on the forum, that you would say to someone face to face. Now seeing that he is a gun nut (your definition) and possibly walks around with his "Assault weapon" armed and ready, it might not be wise to walk up to him and call him a "liar and a coward." So then I find it most profitable to refraim from doing so here on the net as well. But do you agree that rick has made a claim that he has failed to support? Ask, and answered! C'mon Tinkerntom, what type of society are we to build here in rec.boats.paddle if we are not to support the basic building blocks of logical discussion? Shame on you! Now if you wanted to continue a new thread about the advantages of the Canadian Health Care system, sometime in the future, maybe there could be a logical discussion, but I doubt that could happen at this time in this thread. There appears to be to much macho image at risk between the two of you. I will look forward to that discussion, and I hope that I am back on your list of reasonable non cowards! TnT This is about basic integrity Tinkerntom. The topic is really a subordinate issue. It is no different than if rick were to claim that purple kayaks result in increased death rates. But purple kayaks would be fun to paddle. I almost bought a purple Perception Overflow, but ended up with a yellow one instead. I do have a purple paddle shirt that look pretty nice with the yellow kayaK. And Paddling is what this forum is about, and anything else is OT and subject to no particular rules of dialog. If you don't like the dialog or question the integrity of the debatee, you can always withdraw when you are no longer having fun, or get scared, or freaked out, or have a headache. I don't personally want to see you leave, since I enjoy are chats so much, but you can always just ignore r if he bothers you that much. Nah, you can't let the liars and degenerates take over just because they "bother" you. Besides which, being challenged by someone with no integrity is really not a challenge at all. |
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wrote on 2/27/05 4:52 PM: "KMAN" wrote in message ... in article et, rick at wrote on 2/27/05 6:32 AM: snip... The care has a purpose other than killing people. It gets people from one place to another. Perhaps you were not aware of that. ===================== Guns have other purposes also, and yet they kill far far fewer people than cars. What are the other purposes of assault weapons, and how do those other purposes compare in usefulness to cars? ==================== They don't need to copmare to cars, fool. hat's your little bit of whackiness, fool. If you are using cars as a justification for assault weapons, then you are comparing the two, fool. LOL. ========================== No fool. It is you that is trying to justify something based on what YOU determine to be a need. You failed. You brought up cars, not me. cigarettes I'm all in favour of getting rid of cigarettes. In fact, where I live, you can't smoke inside in any public building or place of business. Canadian health care system... At least no one dies waiting for care. ================ Yes, they do, and I have posted the information that says so. Liar. ================= LOL I provided sites for you. You are the one afraid to find out the facts... Thanks again for proving your willful ignorance, and the fact that you have nothing to back up your claims.... Prove it. If you can't you are either a liar, a coward, or both. ================= LOL I provided sites for you. You have provided nothing to prove the claim that Canadians are dying in waiting lines for health care. You are the one afraid to find out the facts... I know the facts. There are no facts to substantiate your claim. Thanks again for proving your willful ignorance and the fact that you have nothing to back up your claims.... If just one Canadian was to die in a waiting line for health care it would be front page news in every paper and the lead story on every television and radio station. Your refusal to respond by providing the references proves that you are in fact a liar, coward, or both. =============== Willful ignorance on you part... If just one Canadian was to die in a waiting line for health care it would be front page news in every paper and the lead story on every television and radio station. You are too afraid to look because your ideology would take a beating. I've looked. There's nothing there. Yes, there is. I provided sites for you. You are the one afraid to find out the facts... Thanks again for proving your willful ignorance, and the fact that you have nothing to back up your claims.... Prove it. If you can't you are either a liar, a coward, or both. ================= LOL I provided sites for you. You have provided nothing to prove the claim that Canadians are dying in waiting lines for health care. You are the one afraid to find out the facts... I know the facts. There are no facts to substantiate your claim. Thanks again for proving your willful ignorance and the fact that you have nothing to back up your claims.... If just one Canadian was to die in a waiting line for health care it would be front page news in every paper and the lead story on every television and radio station. Your refusal to respond by providing the references proves that you are in fact a liar, coward, or both. =============== Willful ignorance on you part... If just one Canadian was to die in a waiting line for health care it would be front page news in every paper and the lead story on every television and radio station. Perhaps you should look at the the United States where more than 886,000 deaths could have been prevented from 1991 to 2000 if African Americans had received the same care as whites, according to an analysis in the December issue of the American Journal of Public Health. Why are you focused on lying about Canadian health care when hundreds of thousands of people are dying unecessarily in your own country? ================= LOL I'm not focused on it, you seem to want to discuss the lies you have presented in your jingoistic spews. I am not in any way affiliated with the American Journal of Public Health. You asre lying, plain and simple. Butthen, your simple mind knows no difference, eh fool? What am I lying about? Provde that I am lying, ======================== Already did. You lied about wait lines. If just one Canadian was to die in a waiting line for health care it would be front page news in every paper and the lead story on every television and radio station. I never said that no one has to wait. Everyone has to wait in every health care system. That's why every hospital has a waiting room, If you can't you are either a liar, a coward, or both. ================= LOL I provided sites for you. You have provided nothing to prove the claim that Canadians are dying in waiting lines for health care. You are the one afraid to find out the facts... I know the facts. There are no facts to substantiate your claim. Thanks again for proving your willful ignorance and the fact that you have nothing to back up your claims.... If just one Canadian was to die in a waiting line for health care it would be front page news in every paper and the lead story on every television and radio station. Your refusal to respond by providing the references proves that you are in fact a liar, coward, or both. =============== Willful ignorance on you part... If just one Canadian was to die in a waiting line for health care it would be front page news in every paper and the lead story on every television and radio station. Lots of things kill far more people that assault weapons. thanks for again proving your ideological brainwashing, fool... Assault weapons are not needed in our communities. ============================= Many things aren't 'needed', fool. Usenet has no real 'need' Overall, cars have no real 'need.' Swimming pools have no real 'need.' "need" has nothing to do with it fool. It has more to do with purpose than need. Good point. Other than being used to shoot a lot of bullets at a lot of people quickly, their only other use is for selfish idiots who want to compensate for a small penis by having an assault weapon in their "collection" and so they can dream about being a hero one day by blasting away at some other idiot with an assault weapon. ======================= Nice spew, fool.... Too bad it's loony tooons time... Ah, came a little (pun intended) too close to home on that one! ======================= Nope, just laughing at your stupidity... I don't think so. You are laughing to cover the pain. ====================== The pain is watching how stupid you are. The pain is living with your own cowardice. All you are focusing on are visual aspects of a gun, the operation is not any different that many other weapons. It is different than any type of weapon where a lot of ammunition can't be fired quickly. ================= Now you ignorance is really taking over, isn't it? There are many other weapons not on the assault weaopn list that you like to spew about that fire just as fast, and just as many projectiles. I didn't say otherwise. Look again. ==================== I have, you only want to rant about the cause of the day that your ideology demands. I'm not ranting at all. ================== LOL Okay, lying.... What have a I lied about? ===================== Anything you have spewed about this week... Name one thing. Please quote the alleged lie, and provide proof that it is a lie. =========================== That Canadians don't wait for treatment in your health care system. You did not quote me. ====================== Yes, I did. see other posts for today... Here, want to see it again? "...No one is waiting for treatment..." You need to quote without the "... and ..." and you also need to provide a link to the message so it can be verified. What a scumbag you are! provided that proof already. Too bad for you, liar. Quote the alleged lie and prove that it is a lie. ======================== Already did both, fool. You did neither. You are a coward and a liar. If you can't you are either a liar, a coward, or both. ================= LOL I provided sites for you. You are the one afraid to find out the facts... Thanks again for proving your willful ignorance, and the fact that you have nothing to back up your claims.... LOL I provided sites for you. You have provided nothing to prove the claim that Canadians are dying in waiting lines for health care. You are the one afraid to find out the facts... I know the facts. There are no facts to substantiate your claim. Thanks again for proving your willful ignorance and the fact that you have nothing to back up your claims.... If just one Canadian was to die in a waiting line for health care it would be front page news in every paper and the lead story on every television and radio station. Your refusal to respond by providing the references proves that you are in fact a liar, coward, or both. =============== Willful ignorance on your part... If just one Canadian was to die in a waiting line for health care it would be front page news in every paper and the lead story on every television and radio station. Or are you yourself lying, and too big of a coward to admit it? Please quote something I have said and explain why it is a lie. ================== That Canadians do not wait for treatment I never said this. You are lying. ====================== Yes, you did. Exactly that fool... Post the reference. If you can't you are either a liar, a coward, or both. ================= LOL I provided sites for you. You are the one afraid to find out the facts... Thanks again for proving your willful ignorance, and the fact that you have nothing to back up your claims.... If just one Canadian was to die in a waiting line for health care it would be front page news in every paper and the lead story on every television and radio station. Your refusal to respond by providing the references proves that you are in fact a liar, coward, or both. much less die waiting Canadians are not dying in waiting lines for health care. You are lying. ================= LOL I provided sites for you. You are the one afraid to find out the facts... Thanks again for proving your willful ignorance, and the fact that you have nothing to back up your claims.... Prove it. If you can't you are either a liar, a coward, or both. ================= LOL I provided sites for you. You are the one afraid to find out the facts... Thanks again for proving your willful ignorance, and the fact that you have nothing to back up your claims.... If just one Canadian was to die in a waiting line for health care it would be front page news in every paper and the lead story on every television and radio station. Your refusal to respond by providing the references proves that you are in fact a liar, coward, or both. =============== Willfully ignorant AND stupid... What a combination. If just one Canadian was to die in a waiting line for health care it would be front page news in every paper and the lead story on every television and radio station. Again you porvw that you can't think for yourself, but rely on ignorance and sensationalism for your ideology. No idea what you are babbling about. ==================== Of course not, that would require some thoughts of your own, and your brainwashing doesn't allow for that, does it? If you mean someone brainwashed me into thinking that 30000+ people dying every year from guns is not a good thing, you are right. But at least I am not a liar and a coward like you. ====================== LOL Looks like you should know all about being a coward, since you are the one afraid to look up the data I have already presented, and told you where to look. You have never provided any reference to prove your allegation that Canadians are dying in waiting lines for health care. You are a liar and a coward. ====================== LOL Looks like you should know all about being a coward, since you are the one afraid to look up the data I have already presented, and told you where to look. You haven't provided anything that proves that Canadians are dying in line waiting for health care. Everyone knows you are a liar. But you are a coward, too weak to admit that you are a liar. ================= LOL I provided sites for you. You are the one afraid to find out the facts... You are a liar and a coward. ================= LOL I provided sites for you. You are the one afraid to find out the facts... Thanks again for proving your willful ignorance, and the fact that you have nothing to back up your claims.... Prove it. If you can't you are either a liar, a coward, or both. ================= LOL I provided sites for you. You are the one afraid to find out the facts... Thanks again for proving your willful ignorance, and the fact that you have nothing to back up your claims.... If just one Canadian was to die in a waiting line for health care it would be front page news in every paper and the lead story on every television and radio station. Your refusal to respond by providing the references proves that you are in fact a liar, coward, or both. It seems to be both. We can consider that confirmed. |
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wrote on 2/27/05 5:10 PM: "KMAN" wrote in message ... in article , Tinkerntom snip.. Tinkerntom, I'm actually surprised that a man of your high moral stands has not jumped in to criticize rick for being a liar and a coward. Why is that? ================ MAybe for the simple reason that I have not lied. Of course, you cannot make the same claim. Why not at least back up one of your claims, fool? If just one Canadian died in a waiting line for health care it would be a national scandal featured on the front page of every newspaper and the lead story of every television and readio news program. It hasn't happened rick. You made it up. You are a liar. And a coward for refusing to admit it. To his credit, Tinkerntom has added his name to the list of those who have never seen you prove your claim. |
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wrote on 2/27/05 5:15 PM: "KMAN" wrote in message ... in article , Tinkerntom snip... Rick is claiming that Canadians are dying in waiting lines for health care, =============== No fool, I have provided sites that claim that Canadians are dying in wait lines. YIOU have yet to provide anything that refutes those sites. Nothing you have ever posted substantiates that claim. If just one Canadian had died waiting for health care, it would be a national scandal and featured as a lead story be all media. but he refuses to support his claim, and worse, says that he has done so, when everyone can see that he hasn't. ===================== Yes, I have. That you are too stupid, lazy, or ignorant on how to fully use you computer is your problem. Plus, I have told you where to go look for yourself on several occasions. YOU are too afraid to do so, because your ideology will be found wanting. Nothing you have ever posted substantiates your claim. If just one Canadian had died waiting for health care, it would be a national scandal and featured as a lead story be all media. That makes him a liar and a coward ===================== So far, the only proven liar and coward has been you, fool. I haven't lied about anything. Tinkerntom, and so to (cowards) are all those who cower in the closet, afraid that their "toes will get stepped on." C'mon Tinkerntom, what type of society are we to build here in rec.boats.paddle if we are not to support the basic building blocks of logical discussion? Shame on you! ==================== ROTFLMAO This from the loony-toon that doesn't have a logical bone is his body? Stop! The laughing is killing me! At least I won't have to wait for treatment! Unles you are one of the 886,000 African Americans who woudl still be alive had they received the same care as whites, according to an analysis in the December issue of the American Journal of Public Health. |
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wrote on 2/27/05 5:19 PM: "KMAN" wrote in message ... in article , Tinkerntom at wrote on 2/27/05 2:39 PM: snip... Do you think rick is interested in any messages? ============== Yes, truthful ones. When you going to make one? There are no Canadians dying in waiting lines for health care. If just one of them did, it would be a national scandal featured as the lead in every news media. He's not even interested in supporting any of his own statements. ================ I have fool. You, on the other hand, have never been able to. Why is that? Too busy lying? I haven't lied. You made a claim that you can't support and you are too big of a coward to admit it. snip.. Well Tinkerntom, it's very simple. Rick has made the claim, and he has failed to support it. ================= LOL I provided sites for you. You are the one afraid to find out the facts... Thanks again for proving your willful ignorance, and the fact that you have nothing to back up your claims.... Even Tinkerntom, frightened as he seems to be of your lunacy, has acknowledged that you have failed to prove your claim. Do you agree? ================= Not if he reads the entire thread, and sees that I have supported my claims. More than once. Add him to the list of people (everyone but you) who hasn't seen any support for your claim. And yet the bottom line as I see it, is that it is your system, and if it works for you, that is your business. It would only become my business if someone tried to enforce the system or some variation here in the States, which Hillary tried, and at the time, the majority of the people decided that we preferred the existing system we already have. But do you agree that rick has made a claim that he has failed to support? The topic at hand is really quite irrlevant to the question. ================= LOL I provided sites for you. You are the one afraid to find out the facts... Thanks again for proving your willful ignorance, and the fact that you have nothing to back up your claims.... Add him to the list of people (everyone but you) who hasn't seen any support for your claim. Now as far as r being a liar and a coward, I don't know. I came back refreshed from vacation to find you two carrying on. I don't know when or where it started, and mostly have tried to ignore your spat. I have not seen any point in getting involved, or of even going back and trying to find the supposed and questioned post by either one of you. I have enough trouble keeping my post square as you well know from our previous experiences. I have been told back in the beginning by my good friends Wilko and riverman, not to say anything on the forum, that you would say to someone face to face. Now seeing that he is a gun nut (your definition) and possibly walks around with his "Assault weapon" armed and ready, it might not be wise to walk up to him and call him a "liar and a coward." So then I find it most profitable to refraim from doing so here on the net as well. But do you agree that rick has made a claim that he has failed to support? ================= LOL I provided sites for you. You are the one afraid to find out the facts... Thanks again for proving your willful ignorance, and the fact that you have nothing to back up your claims.... Add him to the list of people (everyone but you) who hasn't seen any support for your claim. C'mon Tinkerntom, what type of society are we to build here in rec.boats.paddle if we are not to support the basic building blocks of logical discussion? Shame on you! Now if you wanted to continue a new thread about the advantages of the Canadian Health Care system, sometime in the future, maybe there could be a logical discussion, but I doubt that could happen at this time in this thread. There appears to be to much macho image at risk between the two of you. I will look forward to that discussion, and I hope that I am back on your list of reasonable non cowards! TnT This is about basic integrity Tinkerntom. The topic is really a subordinate issue. It is no different than if rick were to claim that purple kayaks result in increased death rates. ================= LOL I provided sites for you. You are the one afraid to find out the facts... Thanks again for proving your willful ignorance, and the fact that you have nothing to back up your claims.... Add him to the list of people (everyone but you) who hasn't seen any support for your claim. |
KMAN wrote: in article , Scott Weiser at wrote on 2/27/05 5:15 PM: A Usenet persona calling itself BCITORGB wrote: KMAN says: ================ There's no way that even a gun nut really believes that a community without guns is going to have more gun deaths than a community with guns. Right? =============== I think you're being overly optimistic. Indeed. The problem with this utopian ideal is that it is functionally impossible, anywhere in the world, to have a community without guns. That being the case, the argument is fallacious at its core. There are lots of communities in the world where no one has a gun. And amazingly, no one gets shot there! Could you give me a short list so that I can understand what type of communities you are speaking of? Thanks, TnT |
KMAN wrote: in article et, rick at wrote on 2/27/05 5:10 PM: "KMAN" wrote in message ... in article , Tinkerntom snip.. Tinkerntom, I'm actually surprised that a man of your high moral stands has not jumped in to criticize rick for being a liar and a coward. Why is that? ================ MAybe for the simple reason that I have not lied. Of course, you cannot make the same claim. Why not at least back up one of your claims, fool? If just one Canadian died in a waiting line for health care it would be a national scandal featured on the front page of every newspaper and the lead story of every television and readio news program. It hasn't happened rick. You made it up. You are a liar. And a coward for refusing to admit it. To his credit, Tinkerntom has added his name to the list of those who have never seen you prove your claim. I Did? Where did I say such a thing? TnT |
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at wrote on 2/28/05 12:39 AM: KMAN wrote: in article , Scott Weiser at wrote on 2/27/05 5:15 PM: A Usenet persona calling itself BCITORGB wrote: KMAN says: ================ There's no way that even a gun nut really believes that a community without guns is going to have more gun deaths than a community with guns. Right? =============== I think you're being overly optimistic. Indeed. The problem with this utopian ideal is that it is functionally impossible, anywhere in the world, to have a community without guns. That being the case, the argument is fallacious at its core. There are lots of communities in the world where no one has a gun. And amazingly, no one gets shot there! Could you give me a short list so that I can understand what type of communities you are speaking of? Thanks, TnT Howsabout the Amish? |
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at wrote on 2/28/05 12:40 AM: KMAN wrote: in article et, rick at wrote on 2/27/05 5:10 PM: "KMAN" wrote in message ... in article , Tinkerntom snip.. Tinkerntom, I'm actually surprised that a man of your high moral stands has not jumped in to criticize rick for being a liar and a coward. Why is that? ================ MAybe for the simple reason that I have not lied. Of course, you cannot make the same claim. Why not at least back up one of your claims, fool? If just one Canadian died in a waiting line for health care it would be a national scandal featured on the front page of every newspaper and the lead story of every television and readio news program. It hasn't happened rick. You made it up. You are a liar. And a coward for refusing to admit it. To his credit, Tinkerntom has added his name to the list of those who have never seen you prove your claim. I Did? Where did I say such a thing? TnT Eh? Sorry, my mistake. When I first read... "I agree, that you claim, that he made the claim, and failed to support it. No mystery here after watching this squabble for the last week!" ....I missed out on the weasel words you threw in there. I guess you really are afraid of rick! |
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wrote on 2/28/05 12:59 AM: in article , Tinkerntom at wrote on 2/28/05 12:40 AM: KMAN wrote: in article et, rick at wrote on 2/27/05 5:10 PM: "KMAN" wrote in message ... in article , Tinkerntom snip.. Tinkerntom, I'm actually surprised that a man of your high moral stands has not jumped in to criticize rick for being a liar and a coward. Why is that? ================ MAybe for the simple reason that I have not lied. Of course, you cannot make the same claim. Why not at least back up one of your claims, fool? If just one Canadian died in a waiting line for health care it would be a national scandal featured on the front page of every newspaper and the lead story of every television and readio news program. It hasn't happened rick. You made it up. You are a liar. And a coward for refusing to admit it. To his credit, Tinkerntom has added his name to the list of those who have never seen you prove your claim. I Did? Where did I say such a thing? TnT Eh? Sorry, my mistake. When I first read... "I agree, that you claim, that he made the claim, and failed to support it. No mystery here after watching this squabble for the last week!" ...I missed out on the weasel words you threw in there. I guess you really are afraid of rick! While you are still up, Tinkerntom, let me see if you are not too big of a coward to give a straight answer. Have you seen rick provide any evidence to support a claim that Canadians are dying in waiting lines for health care? [] Yes [] No |
KMAN wrote: in article , Tinkerntom at wrote on 2/28/05 12:39 AM: KMAN wrote: in article , Scott Weiser at wrote on 2/27/05 5:15 PM: A Usenet persona calling itself BCITORGB wrote: KMAN says: ================ There's no way that even a gun nut really believes that a community without guns is going to have more gun deaths than a community with guns. Right? =============== I think you're being overly optimistic. Indeed. The problem with this utopian ideal is that it is functionally impossible, anywhere in the world, to have a community without guns. That being the case, the argument is fallacious at its core. There are lots of communities in the world where no one has a gun. And amazingly, no one gets shot there! Could you give me a short list so that I can understand what type of communities you are speaking of? Thanks, TnT Howsabout the Amish? The Amish in North Texas deer hunt with rifles, and would sure run you off their land with a shotgun in hand! Maybe your Amish are nicer. TnT |
KMAN wrote: in article , KMAN at wrote on 2/28/05 12:59 AM: in article , Tinkerntom at wrote on 2/28/05 12:40 AM: KMAN wrote: in article et, rick at wrote on 2/27/05 5:10 PM: "KMAN" wrote in message ... in article , Tinkerntom snip.. Tinkerntom, I'm actually surprised that a man of your high moral stands has not jumped in to criticize rick for being a liar and a coward. Why is that? ================ MAybe for the simple reason that I have not lied. Of course, you cannot make the same claim. Why not at least back up one of your claims, fool? If just one Canadian died in a waiting line for health care it would be a national scandal featured on the front page of every newspaper and the lead story of every television and readio news program. It hasn't happened rick. You made it up. You are a liar. And a coward for refusing to admit it. To his credit, Tinkerntom has added his name to the list of those who have never seen you prove your claim. I Did? Where did I say such a thing? TnT Eh? Sorry, my mistake. When I first read... "I agree, that you claim, that he made the claim, and failed to support it. No mystery here after watching this squabble for the last week!" ...I missed out on the weasel words you threw in there. I guess you really are afraid of rick! While you are still up, Tinkerntom, let me see if you are not too big of a coward to give a straight answer. Have you seen rick provide any evidence to support a claim that Canadians are dying in waiting lines for health care? [] Yes [] No What if I vote, and I get a hanging chad? Do we call Katherine Harris, Jeb Bush, Florida Supreme Ct. or US Supreme Ct. to get this mess straightened out? TnT |
TnT, that was humorous.
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"Tinkerntom" wrote in message oups.com... KMAN wrote: in article , Tinkerntom at wrote on 2/28/05 12:39 AM: KMAN wrote: in article , Scott Weiser at wrote on 2/27/05 5:15 PM: A Usenet persona calling itself BCITORGB wrote: KMAN says: ================ There's no way that even a gun nut really believes that a community without guns is going to have more gun deaths than a community with guns. Right? =============== I think you're being overly optimistic. Indeed. The problem with this utopian ideal is that it is functionally impossible, anywhere in the world, to have a community without guns. That being the case, the argument is fallacious at its core. There are lots of communities in the world where no one has a gun. And amazingly, no one gets shot there! Could you give me a short list so that I can understand what type of communities you are speaking of? Thanks, TnT Howsabout the Amish? The Amish in North Texas deer hunt with rifles, and would sure run you off their land with a shotgun in hand! Maybe your Amish are nicer. TnT Sigh. There are Amish communities that don't have guns. I was not aware of the North Texas Amish. |
"Tinkerntom" wrote in message oups.com... KMAN wrote: in article , KMAN at wrote on 2/28/05 12:59 AM: in article , Tinkerntom at wrote on 2/28/05 12:40 AM: KMAN wrote: in article et, rick at wrote on 2/27/05 5:10 PM: "KMAN" wrote in message ... in article , Tinkerntom snip.. Tinkerntom, I'm actually surprised that a man of your high moral stands has not jumped in to criticize rick for being a liar and a coward. Why is that? ================ MAybe for the simple reason that I have not lied. Of course, you cannot make the same claim. Why not at least back up one of your claims, fool? If just one Canadian died in a waiting line for health care it would be a national scandal featured on the front page of every newspaper and the lead story of every television and readio news program. It hasn't happened rick. You made it up. You are a liar. And a coward for refusing to admit it. To his credit, Tinkerntom has added his name to the list of those who have never seen you prove your claim. I Did? Where did I say such a thing? TnT Eh? Sorry, my mistake. When I first read... "I agree, that you claim, that he made the claim, and failed to support it. No mystery here after watching this squabble for the last week!" ...I missed out on the weasel words you threw in there. I guess you really are afraid of rick! While you are still up, Tinkerntom, let me see if you are not too big of a coward to give a straight answer. Have you seen rick provide any evidence to support a claim that Canadians are dying in waiting lines for health care? [] Yes [] No What if I vote, and I get a hanging chad? Do we call Katherine Harris, Jeb Bush, Florida Supreme Ct. or US Supreme Ct. to get this mess straightened out? TnT Coward! |
"KMAN" wrote in message ... in article et, rick at wrote on 2/27/05 4:30 PM: "KMAN" wrote in message ... in article et, rick at wrote on 2/27/05 6:20 AM: "KMAN" wrote in message ... You are a liar and a coward. ================= LOL I provided sites for you. You are the one afraid to find out the facts... Prove it. If you can't you are either a liar, a coward, or both. ================= LOL I provided sites for you. You are the one afraid to find out the facts... Thanks again for proving your willful ignorance, and the fact that you have nothing to back up your claims.... As to lying, you're the only one that has lied here, fool... Quote the lie that I told. ============== I did already in other posts. I suppose you missed them too, just like you now claim you didn't see the sites I provided before about wai lines. You lied about people dying in waiting lines for health care in Canada. ========= No, fool. I presented facts as given by Candaian web-sites. And you are too big of a coward to admit it. ========================== Nope, you are too afarid to lookmat the truth. Why is that? |
"KMAN" wrote in message ... in article et, rick at wrote on 2/27/05 5:19 PM: "KMAN" wrote in message ... in article , Tinkerntom at wrote on 2/27/05 2:39 PM: snip... Do you think rick is interested in any messages? ============== Yes, truthful ones. When you going to make one? There are no Canadians dying in waiting lines for health care. If just one of them did, it would be a national scandal featured as the lead in every news media. ======================= LOL Keep telling yourself that. Maybe one day even you will believe your ignorance. He's not even interested in supporting any of his own statements. ================ I have fool. You, on the other hand, have never been able to. Why is that? Too busy lying? I haven't lied. ================== Yes,. you have. You made a claim that you can't support and you are too big of a coward to admit it. ================ Nope. I supported my claims. You've yet to refute them. snip.. Well Tinkerntom, it's very simple. Rick has made the claim, and he has failed to support it. ================= LOL I provided sites for you. You are the one afraid to find out the facts... Thanks again for proving your willful ignorance, and the fact that you have nothing to back up your claims.... Even Tinkerntom, frightened as he seems to be of your lunacy, has acknowledged that you have failed to prove your claim. ====================== No, he did not. You have very bad comprehension, fool. But, why the reliance on somebody else again, fool? Why is it yiou seem to be too stupid, too ignorant, or to frightened to look up the information that I provided? Do you agree? ================= Not if he reads the entire thread, and sees that I have supported my claims. More than once. Add him to the list of people (everyone but you) who hasn't seen any support for your claim. ================= Try again, fool... And yet the bottom line as I see it, is that it is your system, and if it works for you, that is your business. It would only become my business if someone tried to enforce the system or some variation here in the States, which Hillary tried, and at the time, the majority of the people decided that we preferred the existing system we already have. But do you agree that rick has made a claim that he has failed to support? The topic at hand is really quite irrlevant to the question. ================= LOL I provided sites for you. You are the one afraid to find out the facts... Thanks again for proving your willful ignorance, and the fact that you have nothing to back up your claims.... Add him to the list of people (everyone but you) who hasn't seen any support for your claim. ================ Try again, fool. Now as far as r being a liar and a coward, I don't know. I came back refreshed from vacation to find you two carrying on. I don't know when or where it started, and mostly have tried to ignore your spat. I have not seen any point in getting involved, or of even going back and trying to find the supposed and questioned post by either one of you. I have enough trouble keeping my post square as you well know from our previous experiences. I have been told back in the beginning by my good friends Wilko and riverman, not to say anything on the forum, that you would say to someone face to face. Now seeing that he is a gun nut (your definition) and possibly walks around with his "Assault weapon" armed and ready, it might not be wise to walk up to him and call him a "liar and a coward." So then I find it most profitable to refraim from doing so here on the net as well. But do you agree that rick has made a claim that he has failed to support? ================= LOL I provided sites for you. You are the one afraid to find out the facts... Thanks again for proving your willful ignorance, and the fact that you have nothing to back up your claims.... Add him to the list of people (everyone but you) who hasn't seen any support for your claim. =========== Try again, fool... C'mon Tinkerntom, what type of society are we to build here in rec.boats.paddle if we are not to support the basic building blocks of logical discussion? Shame on you! Now if you wanted to continue a new thread about the advantages of the Canadian Health Care system, sometime in the future, maybe there could be a logical discussion, but I doubt that could happen at this time in this thread. There appears to be to much macho image at risk between the two of you. I will look forward to that discussion, and I hope that I am back on your list of reasonable non cowards! TnT This is about basic integrity Tinkerntom. The topic is really a subordinate issue. It is no different than if rick were to claim that purple kayaks result in increased death rates. ================= LOL I provided sites for you. You are the one afraid to find out the facts... Thanks again for proving your willful ignorance, and the fact that you have nothing to back up your claims.... Add him to the list of people (everyone but you) who hasn't seen any support for your claim. ================ Try again, fool. |
"KMAN" wrote in message ... in article , Tinkerntom snip... I don't personally want to see you leave, since I enjoy are chats so much, but you can always just ignore r if he bothers you that much. Nah, you can't let the liars and degenerates take over just because they "bother" you. ================== LOL That's why he is arguing with you too, liar. Man, what an idiot you are. Besides which, being challenged by someone with no integrity is really not a challenge at all. ================ I know. I haven't seen any from you since this started, liar. |
"KMAN" wrote in message ... in article et, rick at wrote on 2/27/05 5:15 PM: "KMAN" wrote in message ... in article , Tinkerntom snip... Rick is claiming that Canadians are dying in waiting lines for health care, =============== No fool, I have provided sites that claim that Canadians are dying in wait lines. YIOU have yet to provide anything that refutes those sites. Nothing you have ever posted substantiates that claim. If just one Canadian had died waiting for health care, it would be a national scandal and featured as a lead story be all media. ================================= Since you live in an only semi-free country, maybe there's a massive coverup. Problem for you is that there are reports from media on the net, that you could find, if you weren't so afraid of the truth. but he refuses to support his claim, and worse, says that he has done so, when everyone can see that he hasn't. ===================== Yes, I have. That you are too stupid, lazy, or ignorant on how to fully use you computer is your problem. Plus, I have told you where to go look for yourself on several occasions. YOU are too afraid to do so, because your ideology will be found wanting. Nothing you have ever posted substantiates your claim. ============== Yes, it has. You are too afraid to look. If just one Canadian had died waiting for health care, it would be a national scandal and featured as a lead story be all media. ================================= Since you live in an only semi-free country, maybe there's a massive coverup. Problem for you is that there are reports from media on the net, that you could find, if you weren't so afraid of the truth. That makes him a liar and a coward ===================== So far, the only proven liar and coward has been you, fool. I haven't lied about anything. ====================== Yes, you did. Want to see your qoute, again? "...No one is waiting for treatment..." Tinkerntom, and so to (cowards) are all those who cower in the closet, afraid that their "toes will get stepped on." C'mon Tinkerntom, what type of society are we to build here in rec.boats.paddle if we are not to support the basic building blocks of logical discussion? Shame on you! ==================== ROTFLMAO This from the loony-toon that doesn't have a logical bone is his body? Stop! The laughing is killing me! At least I won't have to wait for treatment! Unles you are one of the 886,000 African Americans who woudl still be alive had they received the same care as whites, according to an analysis in the December issue of the American Journal of Public Health. |
"KMAN" wrote in message ... in article et, rick at wrote on 2/27/05 4:52 PM: "KMAN" wrote in message ... in article et, rick at wrote on 2/27/05 6:32 AM: snip... If you are using cars as a justification for assault weapons, then you are comparing the two, fool. LOL. ========================== No fool. It is you that is trying to justify something based on what YOU determine to be a need. You failed. You brought up cars, not me. ====================== No, you brought up the "need" of an object being the determination whether or not people should have them. You lost, again, and now have you resort to your ignorant spews... cigarettes I'm all in favour of getting rid of cigarettes. In fact, where I live, you can't smoke inside in any public building or place of business. Canadian health care system... At least no one dies waiting for care. ================ Yes, they do, and I have posted the information that says so. Liar. ================= LOL I provided sites for you. You are the one afraid to find out the facts... Thanks again for proving your willful ignorance, and the fact that you have nothing to back up your claims.... Prove it. If you can't you are either a liar, a coward, or both. ================= LOL I provided sites for you. You have provided nothing to prove the claim that Canadians are dying in waiting lines for health care. ==================== Yes, I have... You are the one afraid to find out the facts... I know the facts. There are no facts to substantiate your claim. ================= LOL I provided sites for you. Thanks again for proving your willful ignorance and the fact that you have nothing to back up your claims.... If just one Canadian was to die in a waiting line for health care it would be front page news in every paper and the lead story on every television and radio station. ================================= SInce you live in an only semi-free country, maybe there's a massive coverup. Problem for you is that there are reports from media on the net, that you could find, if you weren't so afraid of the truth. Your refusal to respond by providing the references proves that you are in fact a liar, coward, or both. =============== Willful ignorance on you part... If just one Canadian was to die in a waiting line for health care it would be front page news in every paper and the lead story on every television and radio station. ================================= SInce you live in an only semi-free country, maybe there's a massive coverup. Problem for you is that there are reports from media on the net, that you could find, if you weren't so afraid of the truth. You are too afraid to look because your ideology would take a beating. I've looked. There's nothing there. Yes, there is. I provided sites for you. You are the one afraid to find out the facts... Thanks again for proving your willful ignorance, and the fact that you have nothing to back up your claims.... Prove it. If you can't you are either a liar, a coward, or both. ================= LOL I provided sites for you. You have provided nothing to prove the claim that Canadians are dying in waiting lines for health care. ================= LOL Yes, I have. I provided sites for you. You are the one afraid to find out the facts... I know the facts. There are no facts to substantiate your claim. ================== Not according to people in your own country, liar. Thanks again for proving your willful ignorance and the fact that you have nothing to back up your claims.... If just one Canadian was to die in a waiting line for health care it would be front page news in every paper and the lead story on every television and radio station. ================================= SInce you live in an only semi-free country, maybe there's a massive coverup. Problem for you is that there are reports from media on the net, that you could find, if you weren't so afraid of the truth. Your refusal to respond by providing the references proves that you are in fact a liar, coward, or both. =============== Willful ignorance on you part... If just one Canadian was to die in a waiting line for health care it would be front page news in every paper and the lead story on every television and radio station. ================================= SInce you live in an only semi-free country, maybe there's a massive coverup. Problem for you is that there are reports from media on the net, that you could find, if you weren't so afraid of the truth. Perhaps you should look at the the United States where more than 886,000 deaths could have been prevented from 1991 to 2000 if African Americans had received the same care as whites, according to an analysis in the December issue of the American Journal of Public Health. Why are you focused on lying about Canadian health care when hundreds of thousands of people are dying unecessarily in your own country? ================= LOL I'm not focused on it, you seem to want to discuss the lies you have presented in your jingoistic spews. I am not in any way affiliated with the American Journal of Public Health. You asre lying, plain and simple. Butthen, your simple mind knows no difference, eh fool? What am I lying about? Provde that I am lying, ======================== Already did. You lied about wait lines. If just one Canadian was to die in a waiting line for health care it would be front page news in every paper and the lead story on every television and radio station. ================================= SInce you live in an only semi-free country, maybe there's a massive coverup. Problem for you is that there are reports from media on the net, that you could find, if you weren't so afraid of the truth. I never said that no one has to wait. ================ Yes, you did. Everyone has to wait in every health care system. That's why every hospital has a waiting room, If you can't you are either a liar, a coward, or both. ================= LOL I provided sites for you. You have provided nothing to prove the claim that Canadians are dying in waiting lines for health care. ================= LOL I provided sites for you. You are the one afraid to find out the facts... Thanks again for proving your willful ignorance, and the fact that you have nothing to back up your claims.... You are the one afraid to find out the facts... I know the facts. There are no facts to substantiate your claim. Thanks again for proving your willful ignorance and the fact that you have nothing to back up your claims.... If just one Canadian was to die in a waiting line for health care it would be front page news in every paper and the lead story on every television and radio station. ================================= Since you live in an only semi-free country, maybe there's a massive coverup. Problem for you is that there are reports from media on the net, that you could find, if you weren't so afraid of the truth. Your refusal to respond by providing the references proves that you are in fact a liar, coward, or both. =============== Willful ignorance on you part... If just one Canadian was to die in a waiting line for health care it would be front page news in every paper and the lead story on every television and radio station. ================================= Since you live in an only semi-free country, maybe there's a massive coverup. Problem for you is that there are reports from media on the net, that you could find, if you weren't so afraid of the truth. snip Ah, came a little (pun intended) too close to home on that one! ======================= Nope, just laughing at your stupidity... I don't think so. You are laughing to cover the pain. ====================== The pain is watching how stupid you are. The pain is living with your own cowardice. ================= You must be in real pain then, huh? Time for your meds? snip Name one thing. Please quote the alleged lie, and provide proof that it is a lie. =========================== That Canadians don't wait for treatment in your health care system. You did not quote me. ====================== Yes, I did. see other posts for today... Here, want to see it again? "...No one is waiting for treatment..." You need to quote without the "... and ..." and you also need to provide a link to the message so it can be verified. What a scumbag you are! ================ There was no "and" fool. You made that statemnet. Too abd you're a proven liar, eh? YOU nmade the statement. Now you're claiming you can't find it? You really are a loser, aren't you, liar? provided that proof already. Too bad for you, liar. Quote the alleged lie and prove that it is a lie. ======================== Already did both, fool. You did neither. You are a coward and a liar. ================= LOL I provided sites for you. You are the one afraid to find out the facts... Thanks again for proving your willful ignorance, and the fact that you have nothing to back up your claims.... If you can't you are either a liar, a coward, or both. ================= LOL I provided sites for you. You are the one afraid to find out the facts... Thanks again for proving your willful ignorance, and the fact that you have nothing to back up your claims.... LOL I provided sites for you. You have provided nothing to prove the claim that Canadians are dying in waiting lines for health care. ================= LOL I provided sites for you. You are the one afraid to find out the facts... Thanks again for proving your willful ignorance, and the fact that you have nothing to back up your claims.... You are the one afraid to find out the facts... I know the facts. There are no facts to substantiate your claim. Thanks again for proving your willful ignorance and the fact that you have nothing to back up your claims.... If just one Canadian was to die in a waiting line for health care it would be front page news in every paper and the lead story on every television and radio station. ================================= Since you live in an only semi-free country, maybe there's a massive coverup. Problem for you is that there are reports from media on the net, that you could find, if you weren't so afraid of the truth. Your refusal to respond by providing the references proves that you are in fact a liar, coward, or both. =============== Willful ignorance on your part... If just one Canadian was to die in a waiting line for health care it would be front page news in every paper and the lead story on every television and radio station. ================================= Since you live in an only semi-free country, maybe there's a massive coverup. Problem for you is that there are reports from media on the net, that you could find, if you weren't so afraid of the truth. Or are you yourself lying, and too big of a coward to admit it? Please quote something I have said and explain why it is a lie. ================== That Canadians do not wait for treatment I never said this. You are lying. ====================== Yes, you did. Exactly that fool... Post the reference. ==================== Already did, liar. Gave you the date. That you are too stupid to remember what you say, or how to fully use your computer is your problem. If you can't you are either a liar, a coward, or both. ================= LOL I provided sites for you. You are the one afraid to find out the facts... Thanks again for proving your willful ignorance, and the fact that you have nothing to back up your claims.... If just one Canadian was to die in a waiting line for health care it would be front page news in every paper and the lead story on every television and radio station. ================================= Since you live in an only semi-free country, maybe there's a massive coverup. Problem for you is that there are reports from media on the net, that you could find, if you weren't so afraid of the truth. Your refusal to respond by providing the references proves that you are in fact a liar, coward, or both. much less die waiting Canadians are not dying in waiting lines for health care. You are lying. ================= LOL I provided sites for you. You are the one afraid to find out the facts... Thanks again for proving your willful ignorance, and the fact that you have nothing to back up your claims.... Prove it. If you can't you are either a liar, a coward, or both. ================= LOL I provided sites for you. You are the one afraid to find out the facts... Thanks again for proving your willful ignorance, and the fact that you have nothing to back up your claims.... If just one Canadian was to die in a waiting line for health care it would be front page news in every paper and the lead story on every television and radio station. ================================= Since you live in an only semi-free country, maybe there's a massive coverup. Problem for you is that there are reports from media on the net, that you could find, if you weren't so afraid of the truth. Your refusal to respond by providing the references proves that you are in fact a liar, coward, or both. =============== Willfully ignorant AND stupid... What a combination. If just one Canadian was to die in a waiting line for health care it would be front page news in every paper and the lead story on every television and radio station. ================================= Since you live in an only semi-free country, maybe there's a massive coverup. Problem for you is that there are reports from media on the net, that you could find, if you weren't so afraid of the truth. snip Prove it. If you can't you are either a liar, a coward, or both. ================= LOL I provided sites for you. You are the one afraid to find out the facts... Thanks again for proving your willful ignorance, and the fact that you have nothing to back up your claims.... If just one Canadian was to die in a waiting line for health care it would be front page news in every paper and the lead story on every television and radio station. ================================= Since you live in an only semi-free country, maybe there's a massive coverup. Problem for you is that there are reports from media on the net, that you could find, if you weren't so afraid of the truth. Your refusal to respond by providing the references proves that you are in fact a liar, coward, or both. It seems to be both. We can consider that confirmed. ===================== Yes, it has been confirmed that you are both. You've been proving that for a over a week now. |
"KMAN" wrote in message ... in article , rick at wrote on 2/27/05 5:10 PM: "KMAN" wrote in message ... snip.. FYI, it's not just with me that rick is a liar and a coward. His behavior is rather universal on that note. =============== The only proven liar in the thread had been you. I'm still waiting for you to provide the proof that refutes what I have already posted. You've posted nothing to prove that Canadians are dying in waiting lines for health care, and you never will, because it isn't true. If it happened to just one Canadian it would be a huge national scandal. ================================= Since you live in an only semi-free country, maybe there's a massive coverup. Problem for you is that there are reports from media on the net, that you could find, if you weren't so afraid of the truth. Why have you spent this much time and energy trying to lie your way out, instead of finding the information that refutes the sites that I provided? Because you can't do it? Because you are either too stupid to? Too ignorant to? Or that the truth is something you don't want to admit because your ideology and jingoistic chest thumping won't let you admit anything is wrong, as long as you have the big bad boogey man of the US to spew about? |
"KMAN" wrote in message ... in article et, rick at wrote on 2/27/05 5:10 PM: "KMAN" wrote in message ... in article , Tinkerntom snip.. Tinkerntom, I'm actually surprised that a man of your high moral stands has not jumped in to criticize rick for being a liar and a coward. Why is that? ================ MAybe for the simple reason that I have not lied. Of course, you cannot make the same claim. Why not at least back up one of your claims, fool? If just one Canadian died in a waiting line for health care it would be a national scandal featured on the front page of every newspaper and the lead story of every television and readio news program. It hasn't happened rick. You made it up. You are a liar. And a coward for refusing to admit it. ================================= Since you live in an only semi-free country, maybe there's a massive coverup. Problem for you is that there are reports from media on the net, that you could find, if you weren't so afraid of the truth. To his credit, Tinkerntom has added his name to the list of those who have never seen you prove your claim. =============== :ied again. Thanks for the proof |
"KMAN" wrote in message ... in article , KMAN at wrote on 2/28/05 12:59 AM: snippage... "I agree, that you claim, that he made the claim, and failed to support it. No mystery here after watching this squabble for the last week!" ...I missed out on the weasel words you threw in there. I guess you really are afraid of rick! While you are still up, Tinkerntom, let me see if you are not too big of a coward to give a straight answer. Have you seen rick provide any evidence to support a claim that Canadians are dying in waiting lines for health care? =============== Nice strawman there fool. He already siad he wasn't, BECAUSE he did not go back and read the previous posts. Man, you really are this stupid, aren't you? [] Yes [] No |
"KMAN" wrote in message .. . snip... Coward! ============= Projection, fool. You have proven yourself as the coward here. |
"KMAN" wrote in message ... in article et, rick at wrote on 2/27/05 4:33 PM: "KMAN" wrote in message ... in article et, rick at wrote on 2/27/05 6:22 AM: "KMAN" wrote in message ... You are a liar and a coward. ================= LOL I provided sites for you. You are the one afraid to find out the facts... Thanks again for proving your willful ignorance, and the fact that you have nothing to back up your claims.... Prove it. If you can't you are either a liar, a coward, or both. ================= LOL I provided sites for you. You are the one afraid to find out the facts... Thanks again for proving your willful ignorance, and the fact that you have nothing to back up your claims.... Your refusal to respond by providing the references proves that you are in fact a liar, coward, or both. ================== You're continued lying about providing posts is hilarious fool. I did provide sites that backed up my claims. You haven't refuted my claims. You can't, so you spew your willful ignorance instead. You have made no posts that prove Canadians are dying in waiting lines for health care. ================= LOL I provided sites for you. You are the one afraid to find out the facts... Thanks again for proving your willful ignorance, and the fact that you have nothing to back up your claims.... You are a liar and a coward. ================ Nope. You have proven yourself to be both that and ignorant. |
rick says:
================ Nice strawman there fool. =================== I thought rick had been cured of the "strawman" habit. For your next exercise, try spotting logical fallacies. Try a red herring. But please, leave the strawman alone, eh? frtzw906 |
"rick" wrote in message . net... "KMAN" wrote in message ... in article et, rick at wrote on 2/27/05 5:15 PM: "KMAN" wrote in message ... in article , Tinkerntom snip... Rick is claiming that Canadians are dying in waiting lines for health care, =============== No fool, I have provided sites that claim that Canadians are dying in wait lines. YIOU have yet to provide anything that refutes those sites. Nothing you have ever posted substantiates that claim. If just one Canadian had died waiting for health care, it would be a national scandal and featured as a lead story be all media. ================================= Since you live in an only semi-free country, maybe there's a massive coverup. Problem for you is that there are reports from media on the net, that you could find, if you weren't so afraid of the truth. Our media seeks out scandals to get readership and viewership to make money just like any other media, and they'd by all over that story like you wouldn't believe. In fact, when someone has to wait for a long time for a procedure it does make it into the media (like the example from Newfoundland that you posted). If someone in fact died in a waiting line for health care there would be provincial and federal inquiries that would last for years. It hasn't happened. You made it up. You lied. And you are a coward for refusing to admit it. |
"rick" wrote in message .net... "KMAN" wrote in message ... in article et, rick at wrote on 2/27/05 4:52 PM: "KMAN" wrote in message ... in article et, rick at wrote on 2/27/05 6:32 AM: snip... If you are using cars as a justification for assault weapons, then you are comparing the two, fool. LOL. ========================== No fool. It is you that is trying to justify something based on what YOU determine to be a need. You failed. You brought up cars, not me. ====================== No, you brought up the "need" of an object being the determination whether or not people should have them. You lost, again, and now have you resort to your ignorant spews... You brought up cars. Check. |
"rick" wrote in message .net... "KMAN" wrote in message ... in article , rick at wrote on 2/27/05 5:10 PM: "KMAN" wrote in message ... snip.. FYI, it's not just with me that rick is a liar and a coward. His behavior is rather universal on that note. =============== The only proven liar in the thread had been you. I'm still waiting for you to provide the proof that refutes what I have already posted. You've posted nothing to prove that Canadians are dying in waiting lines for health care, and you never will, because it isn't true. If it happened to just one Canadian it would be a huge national scandal. ================================= Since you live in an only semi-free country, maybe there's a massive coverup. Problem for you is that there are reports from media on the net, that you could find, if you weren't so afraid of the truth. Why have you spent this much time and energy trying to lie your way out, instead of finding the information that refutes the sites that I provided? The sites you provided don't prove that anyone has died in a waiting line for health care in Canada. |
"rick" wrote in message .net... "KMAN" wrote in message ... in article , KMAN at wrote on 2/28/05 12:59 AM: snippage... "I agree, that you claim, that he made the claim, and failed to support it. No mystery here after watching this squabble for the last week!" ...I missed out on the weasel words you threw in there. I guess you really are afraid of rick! While you are still up, Tinkerntom, let me see if you are not too big of a coward to give a straight answer. Have you seen rick provide any evidence to support a claim that Canadians are dying in waiting lines for health care? =============== Nice strawman there fool. He already siad he wasn't, BECAUSE he did not go back and read the previous posts. Man, you really are this stupid, aren't you? Right. So thus far not one person on rec.boats.paddle has seen anything from you that proves what you have claimed. |
"BCITORGB" wrote in message oups.com... rick says: ================ Nice strawman there fool. =================== I thought rick had been cured of the "strawman" habit. For your next exercise, try spotting logical fallacies. Try a red herring. But please, leave the strawman alone, eh? frtzw906 LOL. He likes to throw that one around, and also "jingoistic." I can only guess he took some sort of combined first year psych and first year social studies course and those are the only two terms he remembers. |
KMAN wrote: "Tinkerntom" wrote in message oups.com... KMAN wrote: in article , Tinkerntom at wrote on 2/28/05 12:39 AM: KMAN wrote: in article , Scott Weiser at wrote on 2/27/05 5:15 PM: A Usenet persona calling itself BCITORGB wrote: KMAN says: ================ There's no way that even a gun nut really believes that a community without guns is going to have more gun deaths than a community with guns. Right? =============== I think you're being overly optimistic. Indeed. The problem with this utopian ideal is that it is functionally impossible, anywhere in the world, to have a community without guns. That being the case, the argument is fallacious at its core. There are lots of communities in the world where no one has a gun. And amazingly, no one gets shot there! Could you give me a short list so that I can understand what type of communities you are speaking of? Thanks, TnT Howsabout the Amish? The Amish in North Texas deer hunt with rifles, and would sure run you off their land with a shotgun in hand! Maybe your Amish are nicer. TnT Sigh. There are Amish communities that don't have guns. I was not aware of the North Texas Amish. It's probably something in the water down there! Everyone seems to run around with a gun in the back of their PU truck, or in this case buggy. TnT |
"KMAN" wrote in message . .. "rick" wrote in message . net... "KMAN" wrote in message ... in article et, rick at wrote on 2/27/05 5:15 PM: "KMAN" wrote in message ... in article , Tinkerntom snip... Rick is claiming that Canadians are dying in waiting lines for health care, =============== No fool, I have provided sites that claim that Canadians are dying in wait lines. YOU have yet to provide anything that refutes those sites. Nothing you have ever posted substantiates that claim. If just one Canadian had died waiting for health care, it would be a national scandal and featured as a lead story be all media. ================================= Since you live in an only semi-free country, maybe there's a massive coverup. Problem for you is that there are reports from media on the net, that you could find, if you weren't so afraid of the truth. Our media seeks out scandals to get readership and viewership to make money just like any other media, and they'd by all over that story like you wouldn't believe. In fact, when someone has to wait for a long time for a procedure it does make it into the media (like the example from Newfoundland that you posted). If someone in fact died in a waiting line for health care there would be provincial and federal inquiries that would last for years. =============== Then you'd better start reading the inquests, fool. It hasn't happened. You made it up. You lied. ================== You're the proven liar here. And you are a coward for refusing to admit it. =============== No fool, I have provided sites that claim that Canadians are dying in wait lines. YOU have yet to provide anything that refutes those sites. |
"KMAN" wrote in message . .. "rick" wrote in message .net... "KMAN" wrote in message ... in article , rick at wrote on 2/27/05 5:10 PM: "KMAN" wrote in message ... snip.. FYI, it's not just with me that rick is a liar and a coward. His behavior is rather universal on that note. =============== The only proven liar in the thread had been you. I'm still waiting for you to provide the proof that refutes what I have already posted. You've posted nothing to prove that Canadians are dying in waiting lines for health care, and you never will, because it isn't true. If it happened to just one Canadian it would be a huge national scandal. ================================= Since you live in an only semi-free country, maybe there's a massive coverup. Problem for you is that there are reports from media on the net, that you could find, if you weren't so afraid of the truth. Why have you spent this much time and energy trying to lie your way out, instead of finding the information that refutes the sites that I provided? The sites you provided don't prove that anyone has died in a waiting line for health care in Canada. =============== I have provided sites that show that Canadians are dying in wait lines. YOU have yet to provide anything that refutes those sites. liar. |
"BCITORGB" wrote in message oups.com... rick says: ================ Nice strawman there fool. =================== I thought rick had been cured of the "strawman" habit. For your next exercise, try spotting logical fallacies. Try a red herring. But please, leave the strawman alone, eh? =============== Nice bit of dishonesty there... frtzw906 |
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