Michael Daly wrote:
On 4-Mar-2005, "Tinkerntom" wrote:

Does this mean that you do believe in God?

I am an agnostic. I have no basis for belief and no
basis to deny. Sorry if that's a bit ambiguous, but
that's where I rest.

And is this God the same God that you are referring to now the same
God, as mentioned and quoted in this statement, "the
Judeo-Christian
God is presented in the Bible and that's what we have to work
with"?

The Judeo-Christian God is the one I am discussing, to the exclusion
of others. There are so many gods out there, with different
histories
and forms that we have to narrow the field to one I am more or less
familiar with.

Mike

Again very fair, understanding that you are more or less familiar with
teaching about tne Judeo-Christian God, that as an agnostic you believe
exist, but which you do not believe you can personally know, what are
you familiar with the teaching about the Trinity? I am not asking
whether you prescribe to the teaching, just whether you are familiar
with that teaching. Again I apollogize if I am nitpicking, but I don't
want to make any unwarrated assumptions about you, your understanding,
and what you believe about the Judeo=Christian God you say exists. TnT

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I don't think you've been paying attention and you are
making
a fool of
yourself. You might want to ask Tinkerntom to point you
to
the post (long
ago) where I conceded that the way I framed the
question
allowed you to meet
the burden of proof I requested.
==============================
Yet the proof was presented, and it proves you are a
liar
regardless of how you make your claim.

All it proves is that I told you the people in
Newfoundland
were not waiting 2 1/2 years for treatment and I was
right.

You are a scumbag, and a coward for not admitting your
dishonesty.
==========================
That was but one example to show that you were lying

Whatever you think it was, I never said that no one in
Canada is waiting for
treatment.
=================
Yes, you did.

No, I didn't. The only evidence that you presented was my
response to your story about Newfoundland, in which you
claimed people were waiting 2 1/2 years for treatment.
==========================
LOL No, fool "I" didn't claim that, I posted the site, a
Canadian site, that states that, and backs it up. Too bad you
can't seem to keep things straight here, eh liarman?

It doesn't matter. Even if we differ on what the article itself
says (since the doctor in the article mentions specifically
that all the patients are under care, I don't know why you
perseverate on it) the point is I was only responding your
claim about that one article - I wasn't talking about all of
Canada or all Canadians. I never said no one in Canada ever has
to wait for treatment - which is what you claimed I said.
================
Yes, you did. But it's nice to see you have admitted your lie.



You owe me an apology, but you are too big of a coward and
scumbag to do it.
==================
No, I don't. And, I'm not the one that claimed they would,
liarman. Where's yours?

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You are a scumbag, and a coward for not admitting your
dishonesty.
==========================
That was but one example to show that you were lying

Whatever you think it was, I never said that no one in
Canada is waiting for
treatment.
=================
Yes, you did.

No, I didn't.
==============
Yes, you did, and 've explained it to you.

The only evidence that you presented was my response to your
story about Newfoundland, in which you claimed people were
waiting 2 1/2 years for treatment. Within the same article,
it is pointed out that they are all in fact in receipt of
treatment,
=================
Another lie, liarman. It does not. The original doctor wants
the scans so he can determine what treatment is necessary.
Why do you continur to lie so much? Genetic?

"While the wait is less than ideal, patients' conditions are
being investigated andfollowed by other medical means, said
Geoffrey Higgins, clinical chief of diagnostic imaging at the
Health Care Corporation of St. John's.
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Doesn't say they are getting treatment fool. Says their
condition is being monitored. If it worsens, THEN they get tests
that will determine their treatment.


But it doesn't matter if we agree on what the article is
saying. The point is, I was only responding to what you said
about the article, I never said that no one in Canada ever has
to wait for treatment. You know this. You owe me an apology.
But you are too big of a scumbag and coward to do it.
=================
No, I don't. I'm not the one that is continueing to lie,
liarman.

Michael Daly wrote:
On 3-Mar-2005, "BCITORGB" wrote:

Let's not talk about liberal vs conservative.

Just to confuse the issue further, there is such a thing
as a liberal conservative. The Economist states that its
political position is such. Unfortunately, the use of
the terminology in the present US political environment
makes the term a contradiction and most Americans would
have trouble with it.

Mike

In the last political cycle, there was talk here of being liberal on
social issues, and conservative on economic issues. I am not sure if
that is just a smoke screen for not knowing what you believe, and
wanting to sound on the cutting edge of neuvo-politics! There would
have to be an imbalance in the political power, or else the
conservative part would not spring the money loose to pay the liberal
programs, and the liberal programs would be opposed to the economic
spending of the conservative. A real schizophrenic political animal! TnT

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I told you the people in Newfoundland were not waiting 2 1/2
years for treatment and I was right.
==============
No, you weren't. You were lying as usual. Their
treatment did
not start for at least 2 1/2 years.

As stated in the article:

"While the wait is less than ideal, patients' conditions
are being
investigated andfollowed by other medical means, and that
anyone needing an
emergency scan gets one," said Geoffrey Higgins, clinical
chief of
diagnostic imaging at the Health Care Corporation of St.
John's.
======================
Yes, and an emergency scan may be too late. What part of
all this really is over your head? The doctor wants to
start treatment

The doctor states that they are already receiving treatment,
and that anyone who needs the scan earlier will get it.
======================
No, it does not.

"While the wait is less than ideal, patients' conditions are
being investigated and followed by other medical means"
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LOL Still doesn't mean they are getting the treatment they need,
liarman.



What does that mean to you, fool? LOL.
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That you have a reading problem. It doesn't say they are
recieving the treatment that they need, liarman.



Besides, it doesn't matter if we disagree on that article. The
fact is, that's all I was commenting on - your response to that
article. And you know it. So stop being a dishonest scumbag and
coward and apologize.
========================
Nope. It's your dishonest lying that is going on. Why the
continued rehash of these lies when the real disucssion was about
you claim that no one dies while waiting, liarman?

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I don't think you've been paying attention and you are making
a fool of
yourself. You might want to ask Tinkerntom to point you to
the post (long
ago) where I conceded that the way I framed the question
allowed you to meet
the burden of proof I requested.
==============================
Yet the proof was presented, and it proves you are a liar
regardless of how you make your claim.

All it proves is that I told you the people in Newfoundland
were not waiting 2 1/2 years for treatment and I was right.

You are a scumbag, and a coward for not admitting your
dishonesty.
==========================
That was but one example to show that you were lying

Whatever you think it was, I never said that no one in Canada is
waiting for
treatment.
=================
Yes, you did.

No, I didn't. The only evidence that you presented was my response to
your story about Newfoundland, in which you claimed people were waiting
2 1/2 years for treatment.
==========================
LOL No, fool "I" didn't claim that, I posted the site, a Canadian site,
that states that, and backs it up. Too bad you can't seem to keep
things straight here, eh liarman?

It doesn't matter. Even if we differ on what the article itself says
(since the doctor in the article mentions specifically that all the
patients are under care, I don't know why you perseverate on it) the
point is I was only responding your claim about that one article - I
wasn't talking about all of Canada or all Canadians. I never said no one
in Canada ever has to wait for treatment - which is what you claimed I
said.
================
Yes, you did.

I refuted your claim that the people in Newfoundland were not waiting 2.5
years for treatment. Whether or not you choose to accept that refutation,
that in no way substantiates your false claim that I said no one in Canada
ever waits for treatment. You are a dishonest scumbag and you owe me an
apology.

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You are a scumbag, and a coward for not admitting your
dishonesty.
==========================
That was but one example to show that you were lying

Whatever you think it was, I never said that no one in Canada is
waiting for
treatment.
=================
Yes, you did.

No, I didn't.
==============
Yes, you did, and 've explained it to you.

The only evidence that you presented was my response to your
story about Newfoundland, in which you claimed people were waiting 2
1/2 years for treatment. Within the same article, it is pointed out
that they are all in fact in receipt of treatment,
=================
Another lie, liarman. It does not. The original doctor wants the scans
so he can determine what treatment is necessary. Why do you continur to
lie so much? Genetic?

"While the wait is less than ideal, patients' conditions are being
investigated andfollowed by other medical means, said Geoffrey Higgins,
clinical chief of diagnostic imaging at the Health Care Corporation of
St. John's.
==================
Doesn't say they are getting treatment fool. Says their condition is
being monitored. If it worsens, THEN they get tests that will determine
their treatment.

Whether or not we are to agree on these semantics (and I don't agree with
you) you still owe me an apology for saying that I claimed no one in Canada
is waiting for treatment. I never said that. You are being dishonest. Now
suck it up, stop being such a coward, and apologize.

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Michael Daly wrote:
On 3-Mar-2005, "BCITORGB" wrote:

Let's not talk about liberal vs conservative.

Just to confuse the issue further, there is such a thing
as a liberal conservative. The Economist states that its
political position is such. Unfortunately, the use of
the terminology in the present US political environment
makes the term a contradiction and most Americans would
have trouble with it.

Mike

In the last political cycle, there was talk here of being liberal on
social issues, and conservative on economic issues. I am not sure if
that is just a smoke screen for not knowing what you believe, and
wanting to sound on the cutting edge of neuvo-politics! There would
have to be an imbalance in the political power, or else the
conservative part would not spring the money loose to pay the liberal
programs, and the liberal programs would be opposed to the economic
spending of the conservative. A real schizophrenic political animal! TnT

Where I come from being a "liberal on social issues and a conservative on
economic issues" means you are an all around good person. Too bad there are
so few of them! The worst case is what the US has now...a bunch of socially
conservative assholes who are at the same time blowing their economic wad
faster than a soviet dictator in the middle of the Cold War!

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I told you the people in Newfoundland were not waiting 2 1/2
years for treatment and I was right.
==============
No, you weren't. You were lying as usual. Their treatment did
not start for at least 2 1/2 years.

As stated in the article:

"While the wait is less than ideal, patients' conditions are being
investigated andfollowed by other medical means, and that anyone
needing an
emergency scan gets one," said Geoffrey Higgins, clinical chief of
diagnostic imaging at the Health Care Corporation of St. John's.
======================
Yes, and an emergency scan may be too late. What part of all this
really is over your head? The doctor wants to start treatment

The doctor states that they are already receiving treatment, and that
anyone who needs the scan earlier will get it.
======================
No, it does not.

"While the wait is less than ideal, patients' conditions are being
investigated and followed by other medical means"
====================
LOL Still doesn't mean they are getting the treatment they need, liarman.

That is obviously debatable.

But what is not debatable is what you accused me of saying: that no one in
Canada ever waits for health care.

I never said it.

You are being dishonest. Just apologize and move on, you'll feel better
knowing you don't have to live every part of your life as a coward.

KMAN wrote:
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Michael Daly wrote:
On 3-Mar-2005, "Tinkerntom" wrote:

Mike, if God walked up and punched you in the nose, how would
you
know
that it is God that did this

If He was in the form of a person, I wouldn't know. If it was
something
that could punch me in the nose but didn't look like a person or
any
other common critter, I'd be suspicious. However, I don't know
that
"God" would be my first guess.

Mike

Fair enough, I agree that if He punched you in the nose, I suspect
you
would be within the bounds of reason if God was not your first
guess.
Do you have any thoughts or guesses about what God would do if He
confronted you face to face, if not punch you in the nose? TnT

He'd say: "How the hell could you talk about god with Tinkerntom for
this
long! I was reading the thread and my head started to hurt so much I
tried
to kill myself, but as you know, I'm an omnipotent spirit, to such an
extent
that I can't even do myself in!"

I can see that lake of fire now, Kman on one side, and rick on the
other, yelling at each other. Liarman!!!!! Scumbag!!!!! And it goes on
forever and ever and ever! Now that would be hell for the rest of us!
TnT