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basskisser January 12th 04 06:43 PM

Army War College says Iraq "unneccesary"
 
Washington -- A scathing new report published by the Army War College
broadly criticizes the Bush administration's handling of the war on
terrorism, accusing it of taking a detour into an "unnecessary" war in
Iraq and pursuing an "unrealistic" quest against terrorism that may
lead to U.S. wars with states that pose no serious threat.

The report, by visiting U.S. Professor Jeffrey Record, who is on the
faculty of the Air War College at Maxwell Air Force Base, Ala., warns
that as a result of those mistakes, the Army is "near the breaking
point." It recommends, among other things, scaling back the scope of
the "global war on terrorism" and instead focusing on the narrower
threat posed by the al Qaeda terrorist network.

"(T)he global war on terrorism as currently defined and waged is
dangerously indiscriminate and ambitious, and accordingly ... its
parameters should be readjusted," Record writes. The anti-terrorism
campaign "is strategically unfocused, promises more than it can
deliver, and threatens to dissipate U.S. military resources in an
endless and hopeless search for absolute security," he said.

Record, a veteran defense specialist and author of six books on
military strategy and related issues, was an aide to former Sen. Sam
Nunn when the Georgia Democrat was chairman of the Senate Armed
Services Committee. In discussing his political background, Record
also noted that in 1999, while on the staff of the Air War College, he
published work critical of the Clinton administration.

His essay, published by the Army War College's Strategic Studies
Institute, carries the standard disclaimer that its views are those of
the author and don't necessarily represent those of the Army, the
Pentagon, or the U.S. government.

But retired Army Col. Douglas Lovelace, the director of the Strategic
Studies Institute, whose Web site carries Record's 56-page monograph,
hardly distanced himself from it.

"I think that the substance that Jeff brings out in the article
really, really needs to be considered," he said.

Publication of the essay was approved by the Army War College's
commandant, Maj. Gen. David Huntoon, Lovelace said. He said he and
Huntoon expected the study to be controversial, but added, "He
considers it to be under the umbrella of academic freedom."

Larry DiRita, the top Pentagon spokesman, said he had not read the
Record study. He added: "If the conclusion is that we need to be
scaling back in the global war on terrorism, it's not likely to be on
my reading list anytime soon. "

Many of Record's arguments, such as the contention that Saddam
Hussein's Iraq was deterred and did not present a threat, have been
made before by critics of the administration. Iraq, he concludes, "was
a war-of-choice distraction from the war of necessity against" al
Qaeda. But it is unusual to have such views published by the War
College, the Army's premier academic institution.

In addition, the essay goes further than many critics in examining the
Bush administration's handling of the war on terrorism.

Record's core criticism is that the administration is biting off more
than it can chew. He likens the scale of U.S. ambitions in the war on
terrorism to Hitler's overreach in World War II.

"A cardinal rule of strategy is to keep your enemies to a manageable
number," he writes. "The Germans were defeated in two world wars ...
because their strategic ends outran their available means."

The essay concludes with several recommendations. Some are fairly
noncontroversial, such as increasing the size of the Army and Marines
Corps. But he also says the United States should scale back its
ambitions in Iraq, and be prepared to settle for a "friendly
autocracy" there rather than a genuine democracy.

Gould 0738 January 12th 04 07:07 PM

Army War College says Iraq "unneccesary"
 
Ya, ya.

Just more left wing spin from that bastion of socialist traitors, The Army War
College.

We do need to apply some objective standards of course. All of those who
claimed moveon.org was completely responsible for the contest entry comparing
the Bush administration to the Third Reich have no room---none---to claim that
the Army War College doesn't fully endorse this professor's opinion. Gotta love
it. :-)



NOYB January 12th 04 07:58 PM

Army War College says Iraq "unneccesary"
 
What's funny, is that a little research will show that Record has written
(as recently as 2001) papers in *favor* of "presidential subterfuge" to
promote a conflict.

"Mr Record explicitly urged painting over the US's actual reasons for
warfare with a nobly high-minded veneer, seeing such as a necessity for
mobilizing public support for a conflict."

In and around the year 2000 and 2001, the Army War College had publications
calling for the use of military force "for more than simply protecting a
nation and its people from traditional threat-based challenges". Onoe of the
authors argued that defence meant protecting the US lifestyle, the
circumstances of "daily life".

Records (and other members of the War College) favored military action in
the Middle East if it meant protecting our economy from an oil crisis.

Remember, terrorists struck a financial target as a way to disrupt our
economy. They also hoped to drive us from the Middle East so they could
overthrow the government of Saudi Arabia, seize the oil, and put us at their
mercy. Sending troops into Iraq was a strategy to prevent that. Why
Records has done an about-face just 3 years later is beyond me. Perhaps it
has to do with the fact that it's an election year...and he's an ex-aide to
a former Democratic Senator.






"basskisser" wrote in message
m...
Washington -- A scathing new report published by the Army War College
broadly criticizes the Bush administration's handling of the war on
terrorism, accusing it of taking a detour into an "unnecessary" war in
Iraq and pursuing an "unrealistic" quest against terrorism that may
lead to U.S. wars with states that pose no serious threat.

The report, by visiting U.S. Professor Jeffrey Record, who is on the
faculty of the Air War College at Maxwell Air Force Base, Ala., warns
that as a result of those mistakes, the Army is "near the breaking
point." It recommends, among other things, scaling back the scope of
the "global war on terrorism" and instead focusing on the narrower
threat posed by the al Qaeda terrorist network.

"(T)he global war on terrorism as currently defined and waged is
dangerously indiscriminate and ambitious, and accordingly ... its
parameters should be readjusted," Record writes. The anti-terrorism
campaign "is strategically unfocused, promises more than it can
deliver, and threatens to dissipate U.S. military resources in an
endless and hopeless search for absolute security," he said.

Record, a veteran defense specialist and author of six books on
military strategy and related issues, was an aide to former Sen. Sam
Nunn when the Georgia Democrat was chairman of the Senate Armed
Services Committee. In discussing his political background, Record
also noted that in 1999, while on the staff of the Air War College, he
published work critical of the Clinton administration.

His essay, published by the Army War College's Strategic Studies
Institute, carries the standard disclaimer that its views are those of
the author and don't necessarily represent those of the Army, the
Pentagon, or the U.S. government.

But retired Army Col. Douglas Lovelace, the director of the Strategic
Studies Institute, whose Web site carries Record's 56-page monograph,
hardly distanced himself from it.

"I think that the substance that Jeff brings out in the article
really, really needs to be considered," he said.

Publication of the essay was approved by the Army War College's
commandant, Maj. Gen. David Huntoon, Lovelace said. He said he and
Huntoon expected the study to be controversial, but added, "He
considers it to be under the umbrella of academic freedom."

Larry DiRita, the top Pentagon spokesman, said he had not read the
Record study. He added: "If the conclusion is that we need to be
scaling back in the global war on terrorism, it's not likely to be on
my reading list anytime soon. "

Many of Record's arguments, such as the contention that Saddam
Hussein's Iraq was deterred and did not present a threat, have been
made before by critics of the administration. Iraq, he concludes, "was
a war-of-choice distraction from the war of necessity against" al
Qaeda. But it is unusual to have such views published by the War
College, the Army's premier academic institution.

In addition, the essay goes further than many critics in examining the
Bush administration's handling of the war on terrorism.

Record's core criticism is that the administration is biting off more
than it can chew. He likens the scale of U.S. ambitions in the war on
terrorism to Hitler's overreach in World War II.

"A cardinal rule of strategy is to keep your enemies to a manageable
number," he writes. "The Germans were defeated in two world wars ...
because their strategic ends outran their available means."

The essay concludes with several recommendations. Some are fairly
noncontroversial, such as increasing the size of the Army and Marines
Corps. But he also says the United States should scale back its
ambitions in Iraq, and be prepared to settle for a "friendly
autocracy" there rather than a genuine democracy.




John H January 12th 04 08:19 PM

Army War College says Iraq "unneccesary"
 
On 12 Jan 2004 10:43:29 -0800, (basskisser) wrote:

Washington -- A scathing new report published by the Army War College
broadly criticizes the Bush administration's handling of the war on
terrorism, accusing it of taking a detour into an "unnecessary" war in
Iraq and pursuing an "unrealistic" quest against terrorism that may
lead to U.S. wars with states that pose no serious threat.


The Army War College said nothing. Read the article. The war college
published the report. It didn't write it and disclaimed agreement with
it.

Why lie?

John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

John H January 12th 04 08:24 PM

Army War College says Iraq "unneccesary"
 
On 12 Jan 2004 19:07:29 GMT, (Gould 0738) wrote:

Ya, ya.

Just more left wing spin from that bastion of socialist traitors, The Army War
College.

We do need to apply some objective standards of course. All of those who
claimed moveon.org was completely responsible for the contest entry comparing
the Bush administration to the Third Reich have no room---none---to claim that
the Army War College doesn't fully endorse this professor's opinion. Gotta love
it. :-)

Unlike moveon.org, the Army War College is an educational institution.
As you know, censorship is highly frowned on by educational
institutions. Please don't assign to the Army the values of every
author who has been published by the Army War College.

John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

Gould 0738 January 12th 04 08:37 PM

Army War College says Iraq "unneccesary"
 
Unlike moveon.org, the Army War College is an educational institution.
As you know, censorship is highly frowned on by educational
institutions. Please don't assign to the Army the values of every
author who has been published by the Army War College.


See the following "pixel"

this professor's opinion.


:-)

John H January 12th 04 11:09 PM

Army War College says Iraq "unneccesary"
 
On 12 Jan 2004 20:37:43 GMT, (Gould 0738) wrote:

Unlike moveon.org, the Army War College is an educational institution.
As you know, censorship is highly frowned on by educational
institutions. Please don't assign to the Army the values of every
author who has been published by the Army War College.


See the following "pixel"

this professor's opinion.


:-)

Professors are allowed to hold and publish opinions.

Here is a quote taken from the essay which didn't make it into the
Washington Post:

"The Bush Doctrine rightly focuses on the principle of regime change
as the most effective means of defeating threats posed by rogue and
terrorist-hosting weak states..."

This 'new' report (actually an essay) was published in the Spring,
2003, edition of "Parameters". This is the professional journal of the
Army War College. The objective of the publication is shown below:

************************************
Parameters is a refereed journal of ideas and issues, providing a
forum for mature thought on the art and science of land warfare, joint
and combined matters, national and international security affairs,
military strategy, military leadership and management, military
history, military ethics, and other topics of significant and current
interest to the US Army and the Department of Defense. It serves as a
vehicle for continuing the education and professional development of
USAWC graduates and other senior military officers, as well as members
of government and academia concerned with national security affairs.
************************************

Note that it is a vehicle for continuing education and professional
development. Thus it is hardly a place to censor material to ensure
only one side of a story is told.

John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

Marty S. January 12th 04 11:18 PM

OT: Army War College says Iraq "unneccesary"
 

Note that it is a vehicle for continuing education and professional
development. Thus it is hardly a place to censor material to ensure
only one side of a story is told.

John H




That's a pretty naive thing to say. If the publisher of a journal disagrees
with a particular position, whether academic, scientific, or political, then
it won't publish the article.

I'm not defending or condeming the article in question -- I haven't read it.
I don't have a dog in this fight. But, what you said, John, is just not the
way the world works.

--
Marty S.
Baltimore, MD USA


"John H" wrote in message
...
On 12 Jan 2004 20:37:43 GMT, (Gould 0738) wrote:

Unlike moveon.org, the Army War College is an educational institution.
As you know, censorship is highly frowned on by educational
institutions. Please don't assign to the Army the values of every
author who has been published by the Army War College.


See the following "pixel"

this professor's opinion.


:-)

Professors are allowed to hold and publish opinions.

Here is a quote taken from the essay which didn't make it into the
Washington Post:

"The Bush Doctrine rightly focuses on the principle of regime change
as the most effective means of defeating threats posed by rogue and
terrorist-hosting weak states..."

This 'new' report (actually an essay) was published in the Spring,
2003, edition of "Parameters". This is the professional journal of the
Army War College. The objective of the publication is shown below:

************************************
Parameters is a refereed journal of ideas and issues, providing a
forum for mature thought on the art and science of land warfare, joint
and combined matters, national and international security affairs,
military strategy, military leadership and management, military
history, military ethics, and other topics of significant and current
interest to the US Army and the Department of Defense. It serves as a
vehicle for continuing the education and professional development of
USAWC graduates and other senior military officers, as well as members
of government and academia concerned with national security affairs.
************************************

Note that it is a vehicle for continuing education and professional
development. Thus it is hardly a place to censor material to ensure
only one side of a story is told.

John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!




Harry Krause January 12th 04 11:30 PM

OT: Army War College says Iraq "unneccesary"
 
Marty S. wrote:


Note that it is a vehicle for continuing education and professional
development. Thus it is hardly a place to censor material to ensure
only one side of a story is told.

John H




That's a pretty naive thing to say. If the publisher of a journal disagrees
with a particular position, whether academic, scientific, or political, then
it won't publish the article.

I'm not defending or condeming the article in question -- I haven't read it.
I don't have a dog in this fight. But, what you said, John, is just not the
way the world works.

--
Marty S.
Baltimore, MD USA


My wife has two papers under consideration for publication by two
separate professional journals in her field. Both articles and
everything related to them are being carefully vetted and, AFTER that,
they are submitted to the editorial boards for commentary and a vote on
whether they should be published. John's concept of the world is
slightly colored by his years in the military and his inexperience with
the real world.


--
Email sent to is never read.

Steven Shelikoff January 13th 04 12:23 AM

OT: Army War College says Iraq "unneccesary"
 
On Mon, 12 Jan 2004 18:18:21 -0500, "Marty S."
wrote:


Note that it is a vehicle for continuing education and professional
development. Thus it is hardly a place to censor material to ensure
only one side of a story is told.


That's a pretty naive thing to say. If the publisher of a journal disagrees
with a particular position, whether academic, scientific, or political, then
it won't publish the article.

I'm not defending or condeming the article in question -- I haven't read it.
I don't have a dog in this fight. But, what you said, John, is just not the
way the world works.


And yet it happens all the time. Especially when a journal publishes
"both sides" of a story. There's no way the publisher can agree with
both disagreeing viewpoints.

Steve


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