On 5 Feb 2005 19:04:01 -0800, "Tim" wrote:

I always thought "Trawler"s were supposed to look like a Tug or a
shrimp boat?

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Those are REAL trawlers as opposed to the recreational type. :-)

There are a few recreational trawlers fitted with outrigger type
stabilizers and they look a bit more shrimpy but definitely lose
something in the way of esthetics in my opinion.

Wayne.B wrote:

On 5 Feb 2005 23:02:46 -0800, wrote:
Don't know about down in your section of the planet, but nobody up here
routinely refers to a
boat with very short range as a "passage maker". I was just guessing
that the range might be 250 nm at 20kt. Bet I'm not all that far off,
though.

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I agree. A boat of that size and weight will typically burn between 2
and 3 gallons of diesel per mile at 20 kts. 1,000 gallons of fuel
would give you a safe working range of 250 to 400 miles. My guess is
that it doesn't even carry that much.

A real "passage maker" as opposed to a coastal cruiser or dock condo
would typically have a working range in excess of 1,000 miles. Most
large sport fishing boats have a range of 400 miles and no one has
ever suggested that they were passage makers.

In reality 20 knots is going to be too uncomfortable and most
longer trips will be at somewhere between 8 and 10 knots, giving
typically between 1 and 2 mpg. Semidisplacement boats can be very
economomic at low speeds.

Having the power available to go faster in calm conditions is
nice to have, but comes a price in terms of the fuel consumption
of a large engine not being optimised for slow running and the need
for regular blasts at full power to blow out the sooting.

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On 5 Feb 2005 08:12:25 -0800, "BoatMan"
wrote:


Charm, Elegance & Speed in a new Breed of passagemaker Trawler. Yes
Speed - no reason lollygagging around when you can extend your crusing
area.

Free Beneteau Brochure Download

http://www.boaterslife.com/?visual=3...=6&article=293

The manufactuar gave me on of these for a long term sea trial, while I
was in Itay for the summer. Nice cruiser.

On Sun, 06 Feb 2005 09:09:30 -0500, hkrause wrote:
I always smile when someone in a gold-plate trawler tells me how much
money he is saving by going slow. "Why, yes...my $1,000,000 Grand Banks
only burns 1.7 gallons of diesel an hour...it's really cheap to operate."

But I am sure it is fun.

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Our excuse was that my wife wanted a boat big enough for kids and
grand kids. Of course the brokers after hearing that would want to
know how many grandchildren we had. The answer is zero but she wants
to be prepared just in case. Very few if any of the Grand Banks are
suited to offshore passage making even though the fuel range might be
adequate. They are great boats for extended coastal cruising however
which is the way we will use ours, until the grandchildren arrive of
course.

Our GB49 with twin DD671s burns from 5 gph to 20 gph depending on how
fast you run it. Fast is a relative term of course but even at fuel
sipping speed it's faster than any sailboat we ever owned, and a whole
lot more economical than feeding a pair of 454 gas engines.

On Sun, 06 Feb 2005 14:49:55 +0000, Chris Newport
wrote:
In reality 20 knots is going to be too uncomfortable and most
longer trips will be at somewhere between 8 and 10 knots, giving
typically between 1 and 2 mpg. Semidisplacement boats can be very
economomic at low speeds.

Having the power available to go faster in calm conditions is
nice to have, but comes a price in terms of the fuel consumption
of a large engine not being optimised for slow running and the need
for regular blasts at full power to blow out the sooting.

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Exactly right on both points which is why we ended up with a GB49
trawler instead of a Hatt 53 motor yacht. My experience on offshore
runs has been that anything over 12 kts gets uncomfortable when the
seas are more than 3 feet or so, which if common. All of the motor
yachts and sportfish in that size range have turbo engines which
demand some full power running time to keep them operational.
Naturally aspirated 671s however will run almost forever at 1200 RPM
and regularly do so in commercial generator service.

I always smile when someone in a gold-plate trawler tells me how much
money he is saving by going slow. "Why, yes...my $1,000,000 Grand Banks

only burns 1.7 gallons of diesel an hour...it's really cheap to
operate."

LOL!

Thats like my Chiropractor bought a new small Mercedes (I don't know
the model) because he wanted a good "economy" car, yeah , he shelled
out about $65,000 for it...

fool!

wrote:
a "fast trawler" is
typically unfit for LRC. Is the "passagemaker" adjective a factory
claim, a reviewer's loose use of the term, or a retailer's fantasy?


A little of all three, probably


Wayne.B wrote:
It's like sailing. Everyone talks about passage making and crossing
oceans with their sail boat but only about 1% do. It's just good
marketing to appeal to the other 99% and ignore the reality.

I'd suggest the opposite is true. Everyone wants to dream about crossing
oceans, and want a boat that they *could* do it in, if they weren't tied
down with commuter traffic, mortgage payments, & committee meetings.

That's why all those sailboats that look like a tiki bar (notably
including some Beneteaus) are described as "seaworthy passagemakers"
even though the only "passage" they're likely to make is from the
Trav-L-Lift to their slip.

... Besides,
we all know that trawlers are cool looking, right?


Not that one.

Yup

When I was in Rome, I did what the Romans would do,, I just played it low
and was approached by the largest boat dealer in the world, nice fella, we
did a lot of lunches but he offered me an opportunity to turn it around and
after I turned it around I turned his firm around and was rewarded based on
incremental business and bam,,, I owned the firm and with that came the 60
footer I just had to turn the key on, had a crew that took me bass fishing
and the little darling got to sun bath on the deck,, yup, I sold all that
when the little darling needed some dental work along with a new set of
breasts. Them dam things aint cheap,,,They are just about as useless as tits
on a bull I might add also,,

Ooops ,,, here she comes now,,,

tootaaluuu









"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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On 5 Feb 2005 08:12:25 -0800, "BoatMan"
wrote:


Charm, Elegance & Speed in a new Breed of passagemaker Trawler. Yes
Speed - no reason lollygagging around when you can extend your crusing
area.

Free Beneteau Brochure Download

http://www.boaterslife.com/?visual=3...=6&article=293

The manufactuar gave me on of these for a long term sea trial, while I
was in Itay for the summer. Nice cruiser.

On Sun, 06 Feb 2005 16:07:00 -0500, DSK wrote:
Everyone wants to dream about crossing
oceans, and want a boat that they *could* do it in, if they weren't tied
down with commuter traffic, mortgage payments, & committee meetings.

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Those are some of the excuses. The reality is that offshore sailing
is a darn tough way to travel unless you can always arrange for fair
weather, down wind conditions. After 2 or 3 days of bashing into head
seas, healed over at 20 to 30 degrees, with the interior of the boat
beginning to resemble a rain forest, smelling like a barnyard, and the
owner nursing broken ribs from being cabin tossed, a lot of the
romance goes out of it.

Everyone wants to dream about crossing
oceans, and want a boat that they *could* do it in, if they weren't tied
down with commuter traffic, mortgage payments, & committee meetings.



Wayne.B wrote:
Those are some of the excuses. The reality is that offshore sailing
is a darn tough way to travel unless you can always arrange for fair
weather, down wind conditions. After 2 or 3 days of bashing into head
seas, healed over at 20 to 30 degrees, with the interior of the boat
beginning to resemble a rain forest, smelling like a barnyard, and the
owner nursing broken ribs from being cabin tossed, a lot of the
romance goes out of it.


Yes it does. It's expensive and tedious, uncomfortable to say the least
(although 4 or 5 days of seasickness is a great weight-loss program) and
can be scary. But it's good, there's nothing else like it!

BTW one of the only things that brings out the Captain Bligh in me is
"the cabin getting to resemble a barnyard." The boat must be kept clean
& orderly at all times... emergencies at sea don't care if you're a bit
pressed for time lately and haven't stowed everything properly, but you
intend to soon. Right now is the only thing that matters.

Fair Skies
Doug King