Charm, Elegance & Speed in a new Breed of passagemaker Trawler. Yes
Speed - no reason lollygagging around when you can extend your crusing
area.

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On 5 Feb 2005 08:12:25 -0800, "BoatMan"
wrote:


Charm, Elegance & Speed in a new Breed of passagemaker Trawler. Yes
Speed - no reason lollygagging around when you can extend your crusing
area.

I'll be the judge of that - give me one to use this summer and I'll
let you know.

Later,

Tom

BoatMan wrote:

Charm, Elegance & Speed in a new Breed of passagemaker Trawler. Yes
Speed - no reason lollygagging around when you can extend your crusing
area.


Free Beneteau Brochure Download


http://www.boaterslife.com/?visual=3...=6&article=293

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Sorry, but no semi-displacement hull running 20 kt
can be considered a passage maker. Coastal cruiser, OK. What's the
range on that boat at 20kt? 250nm?

Yeah, sure, you can slow down to 7kt- and badly punish the engines as a
result.

If it's from Beneteau, it could easily be a good boat. If Beneteau has
been building powerboats in Europe for
all these years, they should know by now that a "fast trawler" is
typically unfit for LRC. Is the "passagemaker" adjective a factory
claim, a reviewer's loose use of the term, or a retailer's fantasy?
I guess one could say that crossing the harbor to the cocktail bar is a
"passage", and that if you arrive safely you "made" the passage....
:-)

Likely a very nice boat, but shouldn't be promoted for what it rather
obviously is not.

On 5 Feb 2005 11:50:30 -0800, wrote:
a "fast trawler" is
typically unfit for LRC. Is the "passagemaker" adjective a factory
claim, a reviewer's loose use of the term, or a retailer's fantasy?

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It's like sailing. Everyone talks about passage making and crossing
oceans with their sail boat but only about 1% do. It's just good
marketing to appeal to the other 99% and ignore the reality. Besides,
we all know that trawlers are cool looking, right?

On Sat, 05 Feb 2005 21:50:53 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On 5 Feb 2005 11:50:30 -0800, wrote:
a "fast trawler" is
typically unfit for LRC. Is the "passagemaker" adjective a factory
claim, a reviewer's loose use of the term, or a retailer's fantasy?

===============================

It's like sailing. Everyone talks about passage making and crossing
oceans with their sail boat but only about 1% do. It's just good
marketing to appeal to the other 99% and ignore the reality. Besides,
we all know that trawlers are cool looking, right?

I've never understood the appeal of these type boats. It wouldn't be
something that I would buy.

The new Nordic Tugs are just ugly. Gaudy even.

Later,

Tom

wrote:
a "fast trawler" is
typically unfit for LRC. Is the "passagemaker" adjective a factory
claim, a reviewer's loose use of the term, or a retailer's fantasy?


A little of all three, probably


Wayne.B wrote:
It's like sailing. Everyone talks about passage making and crossing
oceans with their sail boat but only about 1% do. It's just good
marketing to appeal to the other 99% and ignore the reality.

I'd suggest the opposite is true. Everyone wants to dream about crossing
oceans, and want a boat that they *could* do it in, if they weren't tied
down with commuter traffic, mortgage payments, & committee meetings.

That's why all those sailboats that look like a tiki bar (notably
including some Beneteaus) are described as "seaworthy passagemakers"
even though the only "passage" they're likely to make is from the
Trav-L-Lift to their slip.

... Besides,
we all know that trawlers are cool looking, right?


Not that one.

On Sun, 06 Feb 2005 16:07:00 -0500, DSK wrote:
Everyone wants to dream about crossing
oceans, and want a boat that they *could* do it in, if they weren't tied
down with commuter traffic, mortgage payments, & committee meetings.

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Those are some of the excuses. The reality is that offshore sailing
is a darn tough way to travel unless you can always arrange for fair
weather, down wind conditions. After 2 or 3 days of bashing into head
seas, healed over at 20 to 30 degrees, with the interior of the boat
beginning to resemble a rain forest, smelling like a barnyard, and the
owner nursing broken ribs from being cabin tossed, a lot of the
romance goes out of it.

Everyone wants to dream about crossing
oceans, and want a boat that they *could* do it in, if they weren't tied
down with commuter traffic, mortgage payments, & committee meetings.



Wayne.B wrote:
Those are some of the excuses. The reality is that offshore sailing
is a darn tough way to travel unless you can always arrange for fair
weather, down wind conditions. After 2 or 3 days of bashing into head
seas, healed over at 20 to 30 degrees, with the interior of the boat
beginning to resemble a rain forest, smelling like a barnyard, and the
owner nursing broken ribs from being cabin tossed, a lot of the
romance goes out of it.


Yes it does. It's expensive and tedious, uncomfortable to say the least
(although 4 or 5 days of seasickness is a great weight-loss program) and
can be scary. But it's good, there's nothing else like it!

BTW one of the only things that brings out the Captain Bligh in me is
"the cabin getting to resemble a barnyard." The boat must be kept clean
& orderly at all times... emergencies at sea don't care if you're a bit
pressed for time lately and haven't stowed everything properly, but you
intend to soon. Right now is the only thing that matters.

Fair Skies
Doug King

wrote:
BoatMan wrote:

Charm, Elegance & Speed in a new Breed of passagemaker Trawler. Yes
Speed - no reason lollygagging around when you can extend your crusing
area.


Free Beneteau Brochure Download


http://www.boaterslife.com/?visual=3...=6&article=293

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Sorry, but no semi-displacement hull running 20 kt
can be considered a passage maker. Coastal cruiser, OK. What's the
range on that boat at 20kt? 250nm?

Gees Louise you seem to recognise other peoples BS spam easy enough:-)
just blind to your own??? Besides lots of cruisers "passage make" on a
250 mile range, coastal passage making is as valid as ocean crossing.


Yeah, sure, you can slow down to 7kt- and badly punish the engines as a
result.

If it's from Beneteau, it could easily be a good boat. If Beneteau has
been building powerboats in Europe for
all these years, they should know by now that a "fast trawler" is
typically unfit for LRC. Is the "passagemaker" adjective a factory
claim, a reviewer's loose use of the term, or a retailer's fantasy?
I guess one could say that crossing the harbor to the cocktail bar is a
"passage", and that if you arrive safely you "made" the passage....
:-)

Seriously Chuck if I wrote any of this about your BS you'd go mad as
usual, yet it's OK for you when you see spam from others?????

Great noted:-)

Likely a very nice boat, but shouldn't be promoted for what it rather
obviously is not.


Classic!!! from the biggest spam marketing BS'er on the planet!!!!! Say
the spammer said it was a 26 ftr with a hand laid hull??? & it was
neither??? that would be just so shocking, yes:-) You get 'em Chuck:-)


K

This lying idiot has manufactured a story about his father being
the biggest OMC dealer on the US NE coast, needless to say Krause then
says that's where he learned all he obviously doesn't know about boats:-)

Here's just one of the lies from the "father" series, try to
remember he's talking $3000000 in the 70s!! Honestly it's embarrassing
that a grown man would lie like this I guess that's the standard of
union thugs ???


I sold off nearly $3,000,000 in new motors and boats, depressing
the new boat
industry in southern Connecticut for an entire season. Everything
was sold...every cotter pin, every quart of oil, 30 days after I started.
For near full-retail, too.

Karen Smith wrote one line that was not a personal attack and therefore
worth repeating:

Besides lots of cruisers "passage make" on a
250 mile range, coastal passage making is as valid as ocean crossing.

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See my comment about "Coastal cruiser, OK".

Don't know about down in your section of the planet, but nobody up here
routinely refers to a
boat with very short range as a "passage maker". I was just guessing
that the range might be 250 nm at 20kt. Bet I'm not all that far off,
though.

Yeah, you can define crossing the local reservoir as a "passage"- but
not in the classic or most widely accepted sense of the word.