Karen Smith wrote one line that was not a personal attack and therefore
worth repeating:

Besides lots of cruisers "passage make" on a
250 mile range, coastal passage making is as valid as ocean crossing.

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See my comment about "Coastal cruiser, OK".

Don't know about down in your section of the planet, but nobody up here
routinely refers to a
boat with very short range as a "passage maker". I was just guessing
that the range might be 250 nm at 20kt. Bet I'm not all that far off,
though.

Yeah, you can define crossing the local reservoir as a "passage"- but
not in the classic or most widely accepted sense of the word.

wrote:
Karen Smith wrote one line that was not a personal attack and therefore
worth repeating:

Besides lots of cruisers "passage make" on a
250 mile range, coastal passage making is as valid as ocean crossing.

**********

See my comment about "Coastal cruiser, OK".

Don't know about down in your section of the planet, but nobody up here
routinely refers to a
boat with very short range as a "passage maker". I was just guessing
that the range might be 250 nm at 20kt. Bet I'm not all that far off,
though.

Yeah, you can define crossing the local reservoir as a "passage"- but
not in the classic or most widely accepted sense of the word.


It's probably just semantics but to me a coastal cruiser does do
coastal hops but only if & when the weather allows, which is fine we
never set off in bad weather either (you only get to "pick" the first
day:-)) But a passage maker is more about taking within reason, whatever
comes along & coastal passage making is fine in a 42 with lots of power
speed etc even if the range isn't 800 miles.

Just on that what sort of range should a power cruiser have before
"you" say it's a passage maker??? Or do you just object to another
spamming "your" spamming grounds??? Few will carry anything like 1000s
of miles in standard guise.

K

This lying idiot has manufactured a story about his father being
the biggest OMC dealer on the US NE coast, needless to say Krause then
says that's where he learned all he obviously doesn't know about boats:-)

Here's just one of the lies from the "father" series, try to
remember he's talking $3000000 in the 70s!! Honestly it's embarrassing
that a grown man would lie like this I guess that's the standard of
union thugs ???


I sold off nearly $3,000,000 in new motors and boats, depressing
the new boat
industry in southern Connecticut for an entire season. Everything
was sold...every cotter pin, every quart of oil, 30 days after I started.
For near full-retail, too.

On 5 Feb 2005 23:02:46 -0800, wrote:
Don't know about down in your section of the planet, but nobody up here
routinely refers to a
boat with very short range as a "passage maker". I was just guessing
that the range might be 250 nm at 20kt. Bet I'm not all that far off,
though.

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I agree. A boat of that size and weight will typically burn between 2
and 3 gallons of diesel per mile at 20 kts. 1,000 gallons of fuel
would give you a safe working range of 250 to 400 miles. My guess is
that it doesn't even carry that much.

A real "passage maker" as opposed to a coastal cruiser or dock condo
would typically have a working range in excess of 1,000 miles. Most
large sport fishing boats have a range of 400 miles and no one has
ever suggested that they were passage makers.

Wayne.B wrote:

On 5 Feb 2005 23:02:46 -0800, wrote:
Don't know about down in your section of the planet, but nobody up here
routinely refers to a
boat with very short range as a "passage maker". I was just guessing
that the range might be 250 nm at 20kt. Bet I'm not all that far off,
though.

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I agree. A boat of that size and weight will typically burn between 2
and 3 gallons of diesel per mile at 20 kts. 1,000 gallons of fuel
would give you a safe working range of 250 to 400 miles. My guess is
that it doesn't even carry that much.

A real "passage maker" as opposed to a coastal cruiser or dock condo
would typically have a working range in excess of 1,000 miles. Most
large sport fishing boats have a range of 400 miles and no one has
ever suggested that they were passage makers.

In reality 20 knots is going to be too uncomfortable and most
longer trips will be at somewhere between 8 and 10 knots, giving
typically between 1 and 2 mpg. Semidisplacement boats can be very
economomic at low speeds.

Having the power available to go faster in calm conditions is
nice to have, but comes a price in terms of the fuel consumption
of a large engine not being optimised for slow running and the need
for regular blasts at full power to blow out the sooting.

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On Sun, 06 Feb 2005 14:49:55 +0000, Chris Newport
wrote:
In reality 20 knots is going to be too uncomfortable and most
longer trips will be at somewhere between 8 and 10 knots, giving
typically between 1 and 2 mpg. Semidisplacement boats can be very
economomic at low speeds.

Having the power available to go faster in calm conditions is
nice to have, but comes a price in terms of the fuel consumption
of a large engine not being optimised for slow running and the need
for regular blasts at full power to blow out the sooting.

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Exactly right on both points which is why we ended up with a GB49
trawler instead of a Hatt 53 motor yacht. My experience on offshore
runs has been that anything over 12 kts gets uncomfortable when the
seas are more than 3 feet or so, which if common. All of the motor
yachts and sportfish in that size range have turbo engines which
demand some full power running time to keep them operational.
Naturally aspirated 671s however will run almost forever at 1200 RPM
and regularly do so in commercial generator service.