On 5 Feb 2005 11:50:30 -0800, wrote:
a "fast trawler" is
typically unfit for LRC. Is the "passagemaker" adjective a factory
claim, a reviewer's loose use of the term, or a retailer's fantasy?

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It's like sailing. Everyone talks about passage making and crossing
oceans with their sail boat but only about 1% do. It's just good
marketing to appeal to the other 99% and ignore the reality. Besides,
we all know that trawlers are cool looking, right?

On Sat, 05 Feb 2005 21:50:53 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On 5 Feb 2005 11:50:30 -0800, wrote:
a "fast trawler" is
typically unfit for LRC. Is the "passagemaker" adjective a factory
claim, a reviewer's loose use of the term, or a retailer's fantasy?

===============================

It's like sailing. Everyone talks about passage making and crossing
oceans with their sail boat but only about 1% do. It's just good
marketing to appeal to the other 99% and ignore the reality. Besides,
we all know that trawlers are cool looking, right?

I've never understood the appeal of these type boats. It wouldn't be
something that I would buy.

The new Nordic Tugs are just ugly. Gaudy even.

Later,

Tom

wrote:
a "fast trawler" is
typically unfit for LRC. Is the "passagemaker" adjective a factory
claim, a reviewer's loose use of the term, or a retailer's fantasy?


A little of all three, probably


Wayne.B wrote:
It's like sailing. Everyone talks about passage making and crossing
oceans with their sail boat but only about 1% do. It's just good
marketing to appeal to the other 99% and ignore the reality.

I'd suggest the opposite is true. Everyone wants to dream about crossing
oceans, and want a boat that they *could* do it in, if they weren't tied
down with commuter traffic, mortgage payments, & committee meetings.

That's why all those sailboats that look like a tiki bar (notably
including some Beneteaus) are described as "seaworthy passagemakers"
even though the only "passage" they're likely to make is from the
Trav-L-Lift to their slip.

... Besides,
we all know that trawlers are cool looking, right?


Not that one.

On Sun, 06 Feb 2005 16:07:00 -0500, DSK wrote:
Everyone wants to dream about crossing
oceans, and want a boat that they *could* do it in, if they weren't tied
down with commuter traffic, mortgage payments, & committee meetings.

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Those are some of the excuses. The reality is that offshore sailing
is a darn tough way to travel unless you can always arrange for fair
weather, down wind conditions. After 2 or 3 days of bashing into head
seas, healed over at 20 to 30 degrees, with the interior of the boat
beginning to resemble a rain forest, smelling like a barnyard, and the
owner nursing broken ribs from being cabin tossed, a lot of the
romance goes out of it.

Everyone wants to dream about crossing
oceans, and want a boat that they *could* do it in, if they weren't tied
down with commuter traffic, mortgage payments, & committee meetings.



Wayne.B wrote:
Those are some of the excuses. The reality is that offshore sailing
is a darn tough way to travel unless you can always arrange for fair
weather, down wind conditions. After 2 or 3 days of bashing into head
seas, healed over at 20 to 30 degrees, with the interior of the boat
beginning to resemble a rain forest, smelling like a barnyard, and the
owner nursing broken ribs from being cabin tossed, a lot of the
romance goes out of it.


Yes it does. It's expensive and tedious, uncomfortable to say the least
(although 4 or 5 days of seasickness is a great weight-loss program) and
can be scary. But it's good, there's nothing else like it!

BTW one of the only things that brings out the Captain Bligh in me is
"the cabin getting to resemble a barnyard." The boat must be kept clean
& orderly at all times... emergencies at sea don't care if you're a bit
pressed for time lately and haven't stowed everything properly, but you
intend to soon. Right now is the only thing that matters.

Fair Skies
Doug King

On Mon, 07 Feb 2005 08:36:12 -0500, DSK wrote:

BTW one of the only things that brings out the Captain Bligh in me is
"the cabin getting to resemble a barnyard." The boat must be kept clean
& orderly at all times... emergencies at sea don't care if you're a bit
pressed for time lately and haven't stowed everything properly, but you
intend to soon. Right now is the only thing that matters.

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So I guess you'd be upset if you ran the spinnaker up the mast halfway
to Bermuda and two dirty socks and your coffee cup fell out on deck?

Been there, done that.

On Mon, 07 Feb 2005 12:21:51 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Mon, 07 Feb 2005 08:36:12 -0500, DSK wrote:

BTW one of the only things that brings out the Captain Bligh in me is
"the cabin getting to resemble a barnyard." The boat must be kept clean
& orderly at all times... emergencies at sea don't care if you're a bit
pressed for time lately and haven't stowed everything properly, but you
intend to soon. Right now is the only thing that matters.

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So I guess you'd be upset if you ran the spinnaker up the mast halfway
to Bermuda and two dirty socks and your coffee cup fell out on deck?

Been there, done that.

ROTFLMAO!!!!!

Later,

Tom

Wayne.B wrote:
So I guess you'd be upset if you ran the spinnaker up the mast halfway
to Bermuda and two dirty socks and your coffee cup fell out on deck?

Been there, done that.


I'd regard it as suitable punishment to lose the socks & coffee cup.

Spinnakers are malevolent creatures anyway. Lost count of how many
beers, hats, sunglasses, etc etc I've lost over the years on account of
them.

DSK

On Mon, 07 Feb 2005 12:29:49 -0500, DSK wrote:

Spinnakers are malevolent creatures anyway. Lost count of how many
beers, hats, sunglasses, etc etc I've lost over the years on account of
them.

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Yeah, but down wind without one is really sloooooow.


King Neptune demands the occasional beer, hat and sunglasses
sacrifice, otherwise he starts looking for bigger stuff.