On Mon, 07 Feb 2005 08:36:12 -0500, DSK wrote:

BTW one of the only things that brings out the Captain Bligh in me is
"the cabin getting to resemble a barnyard." The boat must be kept clean
& orderly at all times... emergencies at sea don't care if you're a bit
pressed for time lately and haven't stowed everything properly, but you
intend to soon. Right now is the only thing that matters.

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So I guess you'd be upset if you ran the spinnaker up the mast halfway
to Bermuda and two dirty socks and your coffee cup fell out on deck?

Been there, done that.

On Mon, 07 Feb 2005 12:21:51 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Mon, 07 Feb 2005 08:36:12 -0500, DSK wrote:

BTW one of the only things that brings out the Captain Bligh in me is
"the cabin getting to resemble a barnyard." The boat must be kept clean
& orderly at all times... emergencies at sea don't care if you're a bit
pressed for time lately and haven't stowed everything properly, but you
intend to soon. Right now is the only thing that matters.

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So I guess you'd be upset if you ran the spinnaker up the mast halfway
to Bermuda and two dirty socks and your coffee cup fell out on deck?

Been there, done that.

ROTFLMAO!!!!!

Later,

Tom

Wayne.B wrote:
So I guess you'd be upset if you ran the spinnaker up the mast halfway
to Bermuda and two dirty socks and your coffee cup fell out on deck?

Been there, done that.


I'd regard it as suitable punishment to lose the socks & coffee cup.

Spinnakers are malevolent creatures anyway. Lost count of how many
beers, hats, sunglasses, etc etc I've lost over the years on account of
them.

DSK

On Mon, 07 Feb 2005 12:29:49 -0500, DSK wrote:

Spinnakers are malevolent creatures anyway. Lost count of how many
beers, hats, sunglasses, etc etc I've lost over the years on account of
them.

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Yeah, but down wind without one is really sloooooow.


King Neptune demands the occasional beer, hat and sunglasses
sacrifice, otherwise he starts looking for bigger stuff.

Spinnakers are malevolent creatures anyway. Lost count of how many
beers, hats, sunglasses, etc etc I've lost over the years on account of
them.


Wayne.B wrote:
Yeah, but down wind without one is really sloooooow.


Depends on the boat and on the course. Nothing like a honkin' spinnaker
run for excitement, though!


King Neptune demands the occasional beer, hat and sunglasses
sacrifice, otherwise he starts looking for bigger stuff.


Hmm, I didn't think of it that way.

DSK

On Mon, 07 Feb 2005 15:48:32 -0500, DSK wrote:

Depends on the boat and on the course. Nothing like a honkin' spinnaker
run for excitement, though!

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For sure unless it's a nice tight pole-on-the-head-stay reach with
lots of weight on the rail. My old Cal-34 used to excel in those
conditions. We had really stiff spectra after guys that would hold
the pole an inch or two off without ever budging in the gusts.

Depends on the boat and on the course. Nothing like a honkin' spinnaker
run for excitement, though!



Wayne.B wrote:
For sure unless it's a nice tight pole-on-the-head-stay reach with
lots of weight on the rail. My old Cal-34 used to excel in those
conditions. We had really stiff spectra after guys that would hold
the pole an inch or two off without ever budging in the gusts.


Ever had a reaching go ka-wham up into the rig? I hate it when that happens.

Those tight reaches always seem faster than they really are, except in
light air when it's the best way to build apparent wind. Nowadays a nice
asymmetric, screecher, or Code 0 will point pretty high and not load up
the rig.

I never busted anything on those pole-to-forestay reaches, but always
worried.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

On Tue, 08 Feb 2005 18:28:28 -0500, DSK wrote:

Depends on the boat and on the course. Nothing like a honkin' spinnaker
run for excitement, though!



Wayne.B wrote:
For sure unless it's a nice tight pole-on-the-head-stay reach with
lots of weight on the rail. My old Cal-34 used to excel in those
conditions. We had really stiff spectra after guys that would hold
the pole an inch or two off without ever budging in the gusts.

Ever had a reaching go ka-wham up into the rig? I hate it when that happens.

Those tight reaches always seem faster than they really are, except in
light air when it's the best way to build apparent wind. Nowadays a nice
asymmetric, screecher, or Code 0 will point pretty high and not load up
the rig.

I never busted anything on those pole-to-forestay reaches, but always
worried.

I assume you guys are talking about a close reach?

Later,

Tom

On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 00:25:37 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

I assume you guys are talking about a close reach?

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Sort of. To be a truly close reach the wind angle has to be forward
of the beam and that generally requires a jib or specially cut
reaching sail. On a tight spinnaker reach the apparent wind angle is
forward of the beam because of the boat speed vector, but the true
wind is usually at just about 90 degrees.

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote
I assume you guys are talking about a close reach?



Wayne.B wrote:
Sort of. To be a truly close reach the wind angle has to be forward
of the beam and that generally requires a jib or specially cut
reaching sail.

I'd agree. The "official" point of sail is with reference to the true
wind, ie the wind as seen by an unmoving observer. The apparent wind,
which is what the sails & sailors on the boat feel, is "bent" toward the
bow by the boats speed. For example, ice boats are always going upwind
by apparent wind even when they're going downwind by anybody else's
point of view.

... On a tight spinnaker reach the apparent wind angle is
forward of the beam because of the boat speed vector, but the true
wind is usually at just about 90 degrees.


Depends on how fast the boat is

In one small boat race a few years ago, we were on the same race course
as the then-new Intra 20 cat, which flies a small flat spinnaker-like
sail from a bowsprit on the downwind legs. They rounded the windward
mark somewhat behind us, set this sail, and roared past us at a lower
angle (relative to the wind) but with their sails pulled in almost as
tight as for a beat. By the time we got to the gybe mark, they were at
the leeward mark.

BTW not sure it was clear from the context my earlier post should have
said 'reaching STRUT' which is a piece of gear I've always found such a
PITA that my fingers will barely type the word.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King