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Starting a new newsgroup?
"QLW" wrote in message ... It's plainly obvious that this newsgroup has become almost useless as a boating forum. Rec.cruising, rec.boats.building and alt.sailing are good but there is also a need for a general boating forum where one does not have to wade through all of the political crap and in-fighting posted here. I can't figure out why people insist on doing this...but they do! So how is a new news group formed? To bad we can't make this one moderated to limit the content to boating related topics. Please let me know the name of the new newgroup once it's formed. Thanks. ;-) |
Starting a new newsgroup?
On Mon, 12 Jan 2004 10:51:44 -0800, "QLW" wrote:
It's plainly obvious that this newsgroup has become almost useless as a boating forum. Rec.cruising, rec.boats.building and alt.sailing are good but there is also a need for a general boating forum where one does not have to wade through all of the political crap and in-fighting posted here. I can't figure out why people insist on doing this...but they do! So how is a new news group formed? To bad we can't make this one moderated to limit the content to boating related topics. There is nothing that says you can't have a moderated group, but it's difficult on Usenet - you have to have people who will cooperate, you have to go through the alt.config process, build a group charter/FAQ - it's a process. Then you have to have newsservers pick up the group, etc. However, speaking with the voice of experience, it's much better to get a good newsreader like Agent or Xnews, build a good filter with parameters you want and do it that way. Normally, you can filter out 95% of the nonsense. The reason for using personal filters on a good newsreader is that all groups eventually devolve along either personal, political or whatever lines - it's just the nature of the beast. Here's something for you to read about starting a newsgroup. http://www.duke.edu/~mg/usenet/newnewsgroup.html Good luck. Later, Tom S. Woodstock, CT ---------- "My rod and my reel - they comfort me." St. Pete, 12 Lb. Test |
Starting a new newsgroup?
On Mon, 12 Jan 2004 10:51:44 -0800, "QLW" wrote:
It's plainly obvious that this newsgroup has become almost useless as a boating forum. Rec.cruising, rec.boats.building and alt.sailing are good but there is also a need for a general boating forum where one does not have to wade through all of the political crap and in-fighting posted here. I can't figure out why people insist on doing this...but they do! So how is a new news group formed? To bad we can't make this one moderated to limit the content to boating related topics. Quinton Here's some information to get you started: http://www.faqs.org/faqs/usenet/crea...sgroups/part1/ (How to create a new newsgroup) http://www.faqs.org/faqs/usenet/moderated-ng-faq/ (moderated newsgroups FAQ) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/faqs/mod-pitfalls.html (Pitfalls of moderated newsgroups) http://groups.google.com/groups?selm...&output=gplain (moderated newsgroups FAQ) HTH, Joe Parsons |
Starting a new newsgroup?
It's plainly obvious that this newsgroup has become almost useless as a
boating forum. Rec.cruising, rec.boats.building and alt.sailing are good but there is also a need for a general boating forum where one does not have to wade through all of the political crap and in-fighting posted here. I can't figure out why people insist on doing this...but they do! So how is a new news group formed? To bad we can't make this one moderated to limit the content to boating related topics. Quinton |
Starting a new newsgroup?
"QLW" wrote in message
... It's plainly obvious that this newsgroup has become almost useless as a boating forum. Rec.cruising, rec.boats.building and alt.sailing are good but there is also a need for a general boating forum where one does not have to wade through all of the political crap and in-fighting posted here. I can't figure out why people insist on doing this...but they do! So how is a new news group formed? To bad we can't make this one moderated to limit the content to boating related topics. Quinton Looks like you gotta jump through a lot of hoops. But if they can get all those binary porno groups we could get another boating group. Maybe rec.boating? - - - - - Lee Yeaton www.thebayguide.com the boats of rec.boats www.thebayguide.comrec.boats |
Starting a new newsgroup?
"QLW" wrote in message ... So how is a new news group formed? Well, it is a lot of work and frustration, but it isn't rocket science and it doesn't take any specific qualifications. I was part of the committee that formed rec.boats.sailing and rec.boats.cruising some ten years ago. The basic proceedure is that you put together a proposal for a new group and then post the proposal in several different spots as a "request for discussion", or RFD. I think the reqired groups are "news.groups" and any existing newsgroups that have similar discussions (such as rec.boats). This will, of course, create tons of controversy and you may decide to change the proposal, which will start the process over. Eventually, you will get tired of the whining and bitching and just go foward with what you currently have. The next step is to have a vote. Before you can have a vote, you need to get an "advocate" from the main usenet guru people, and that can take a while. The advocate is the guy who actually tallies the votes and decides YES or NO on the creation of the group. Now, here is the frustrating part: you will get a LOT of people who vote NO, so you have to make sure that you get enough people to vote YES to override it. People will vote NO who have never in their life owned a boat and have never read rec.boats. There will be hundreds of them! To bad we can't make this one moderated to limit the content to boating related topics. As soon as you attempt to make it a moderated group, then there will be LOTs more NO votes you have to counter. You will also need to really think hard about the moderators. Most of the moderated groups fail because the moderators get tired of dealing with it, or the users get fed up with the moderator. What does work fairly well is to have a "bot" do the moderating. A common bot moderation is to reject any posting that was cross posted to more than "n" groups, contains certain key words (like "viagra") or was from a list of banned sources. Creating a new group can be done, but it will take 6 months or so and someone will have a lot of work ahead of themselves. Rod McInnis |
Starting a new newsgroup?
On Mon, 12 Jan 2004 19:07:37 -0500, "Lee Yeaton"
wrote: "QLW" wrote in message ... It's plainly obvious that this newsgroup has become almost useless as a boating forum. Rec.cruising, rec.boats.building and alt.sailing are good but there is also a need for a general boating forum where one does not have to wade through all of the political crap and in-fighting posted here. I can't figure out why people insist on doing this...but they do! So how is a new news group formed? To bad we can't make this one moderated to limit the content to boating related topics. Quinton Looks like you gotta jump through a lot of hoops. But if they can get all those binary porno groups we could get another boating group. Maybe rec.boating? Those binary porno groups are in alt.*, not rec.*. It's free form over there and much easier to get a group started. Steve |
Starting a new newsgroup?
"QLW" wrote in message
... It's plainly obvious that this newsgroup has become almost useless as a boating forum. Rec.cruising, rec.boats.building and alt.sailing are good but there is also a need for a general boating forum where one does not have to wade through all of the political crap and in-fighting posted here. I can't figure out why people insist on doing this...but they do! So how is a new news group formed? To bad we can't make this one moderated to limit the content to boating related topics. Quinton I know I'll get slammed for this but..... Why don't we just start a new group ourselves. Instead of doing it on Usenet we could do it on the Internet. I can get some free server space for a year and I'll buy the domain name, it's $20.00 so it's not a lot of money. I also know where to get free message board software. You can see the software on my other site chesapeakeforums.com. All we would need is a list of topics and some people to donate their time to moderate. Think of it like a boatered but not moderated by a business owner, but moderated by us. If a moderator gets out of line we can vote him off. The group would have control, not just one person. I am sure I left out a bunch of details but I think this is doable if we can get the people to donate some time and to participate. Ok, let me have it...... - - - - - Lee Yeaton www.thebayguide.com the boats of rec.boats www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats |
Starting a new newsgroup?
there is already a "alt.boats" group on many servers. It might be easier to
just get those who want to discuss boating to use alt.boats and turn rec.boats over to the OT crowd. "Steven Shelikoff" wrote in message ... On Mon, 12 Jan 2004 19:07:37 -0500, "Lee Yeaton" wrote: "QLW" wrote in message ... It's plainly obvious that this newsgroup has become almost useless as a boating forum. Rec.cruising, rec.boats.building and alt.sailing are good but there is also a need for a general boating forum where one does not have to wade through all of the political crap and in-fighting posted here. I can't figure out why people insist on doing this...but they do! So how is a new news group formed? To bad we can't make this one moderated to limit the content to boating related topics. Quinton Looks like you gotta jump through a lot of hoops. But if they can get all those binary porno groups we could get another boating group. Maybe rec.boating? Those binary porno groups are in alt.*, not rec.*. It's free form over there and much easier to get a group started. Steve |
Starting a new newsgroup?
Think of it like a boatered but not moderated by a business owner, but
moderated by us. If a moderator gets out of line we can vote him off. The group would have control, not just one person. You might have good luck with an approach where your new site would have a moderator "election" at various intervals. They might be as frequent as every 120 days. This would allow a moderator who discovers he or she has bitten off a larger bite than is easily chewed to opt out, gracefully, after a short period of time. The approach would keep small groups of people from leaving the site because they couldn't stand the moderator (we all know of sites like that), as nobody would feel "stuck" with a moderator for an indfinite period of time. A moderator who wanted to continue could stand for reelection, and if the majority of the group wanted him or her to remain in the post that would settle the question. Would it be more difficult to cross post from the political groups to your new site? A lot of the political threads in rec.boats start off as mass cross postings to or from political sites- with the trolling author then checking a long list of sites to see if he or she got any bites. |
Starting a new newsgroup?
You could not crosspost on a web based forum, it is not part of UseNet, it
is all local on the web site. "Gould 0738" wrote in message ... Think of it like a boatered but not moderated by a business owner, but moderated by us. If a moderator gets out of line we can vote him off. The group would have control, not just one person. You might have good luck with an approach where your new site would have a moderator "election" at various intervals. They might be as frequent as every 120 days. This would allow a moderator who discovers he or she has bitten off a larger bite than is easily chewed to opt out, gracefully, after a short period of time. The approach would keep small groups of people from leaving the site because they couldn't stand the moderator (we all know of sites like that), as nobody would feel "stuck" with a moderator for an indfinite period of time. A moderator who wanted to continue could stand for reelection, and if the majority of the group wanted him or her to remain in the post that would settle the question. Would it be more difficult to cross post from the political groups to your new site? A lot of the political threads in rec.boats start off as mass cross postings to or from political sites- with the trolling author then checking a long list of sites to see if he or she got any bites. |
Starting a new newsgroup?
Lee, it is a great idea, the problem with web based groups is you have to
promote and/or advertise the group to get a group of regulars. It is not quite as easy as sorting out UseNet groups for things you are interested in. The advantage is obvious, you would have a group discussing boats, without all of the name calling and OT political crap. It might make sense to use rec.boats for the flame wars and OT discussions. Those who want a true boating forum could add a sig file on the bottom of their posts promoting your true boating forum. "Lee Yeaton" wrote in message ... "QLW" wrote in message ... It's plainly obvious that this newsgroup has become almost useless as a boating forum. Rec.cruising, rec.boats.building and alt.sailing are good but there is also a need for a general boating forum where one does not have to wade through all of the political crap and in-fighting posted here. I can't figure out why people insist on doing this...but they do! So how is a new news group formed? To bad we can't make this one moderated to limit the content to boating related topics. Quinton I know I'll get slammed for this but..... Why don't we just start a new group ourselves. Instead of doing it on Usenet we could do it on the Internet. I can get some free server space for a year and I'll buy the domain name, it's $20.00 so it's not a lot of money. I also know where to get free message board software. You can see the software on my other site chesapeakeforums.com. All we would need is a list of topics and some people to donate their time to moderate. Think of it like a boatered but not moderated by a business owner, but moderated by us. If a moderator gets out of line we can vote him off. The group would have control, not just one person. I am sure I left out a bunch of details but I think this is doable if we can get the people to donate some time and to participate. Ok, let me have it...... - - - - - Lee Yeaton www.thebayguide.com the boats of rec.boats www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats |
Ot: Rec.boats alum pizzes off all of New Zealand!
Laughed when I came across this.
The same guy has trolled through here. Offensive intruder poisons chat lines 12.01.2001 By MICHAEL FOREMAN Local internet service providers may consider blocking an American from taking part in online discussions following one of the worst cases of "flaming" seen in this country. A mysterious figure calling himself "Bertie the Bunyip" has upset local Usenet newsgroups after a bizarre campaign that has included posting fake photographs of a topless Queen Mother. If someone burst into a cafe or pub and started yelling obscenities and abusing everyone in sight, you might expect the manager to throw them out or call the police. But neither of these remedies is available to the newsgroup users, who are desperate to rid themselves of what is known on the internet as a "troll." Trolls get their kicks from baiting other people using online discussion forums. "Bertie the Bunyip" is believed to be a commercial pilot living in the United States. He claims to have been similarly hounding newsgroups in the United States for three years, despite complaints to the FBI and a libel action against him. After local users unwisely responded to his taunts, the Bunyip's replies soon spread to the nz.comp and nz.politics newsgroups. New Zealand politicians - including some ministers - are believed to use the politics group. In the past few days, the American has paralysed the most popular of the local forums, nz.general, which is read by up to 50,000 people. Bunyip's antics have prompted some users to stop using the newsgroups. Bunyip changes his identity characteristics every 30 or 40 posts, so it is difficult to check him using e-mail or newsreader software blocked senders' lists. David Farrar, a newsgroup user and information technology adviser to National Party leader Jenny Shipley, described the "flame" war as the worst outbreak of its kind he had seen on New Zealand discussion groups. Applying sanctions against Usenet users could be extremely difficult, said Mr Farrar. Bunyip has been using a Seattle-based newsgroup service called Altopia, which has a liberal policy on what it will allow. "One of the problems of newsgroups is that they are about as close to anarchy as anything can get," he said. "If you get a person going rogue, as this Bertie the Bunyip has, you would normally complain to their internet service provider. "Unless it is causing actual harm, they don't see it as their job to police it." Xtra systems support specialist Richard Stevenson said he could easily filter the messages from Xtra's news server - one of several providing Usenet feeds in New Zealand. But he would not decide to do so himself. Mr Stevenson said he had not yet had to remove individual posts but had occasionally, at the request of the Department of Internal Affairs, blocked newsgroups that were related to child pornography. He was not concerned about Bunyip's rights to freedom of speech. "He's got to get it into his skull that [news servers] are private property." Mr Farrar believed that if Bunyip persisted for more than a couple of weeks, local internet service providers might agree to remove him from New Zealand servers. But it was more likely that Bunyip would disappear quite quickly if ignored. |
Ot: Rec.boats alum pizzes off all of New Zealand!
Gould 0738 wrote:
Laughed when I came across this. The same guy has trolled through here. Offensive intruder poisons chat lines 12.01.2001 By MICHAEL FOREMAN Local internet service providers may consider blocking an American from taking part in online discussions following one of the worst cases of "flaming" seen in this country. A mysterious figure calling himself "Bertie the Bunyip" has upset local Usenet newsgroups after a bizarre campaign that has included posting fake photographs of a topless Queen Mother. Ahhh...Karen Elizabeth Smith's altered ego? No, not the topless queen mother. -- Email sent to is never read. |
Starting a new newsgroup?
On Mon, 12 Jan 2004 20:27:38 -0500, "Lee Yeaton"
wrote: "QLW" wrote in message ... It's plainly obvious that this newsgroup has become almost useless as a boating forum. Rec.cruising, rec.boats.building and alt.sailing are good but there is also a need for a general boating forum where one does not have to wade through all of the political crap and in-fighting posted here. I can't figure out why people insist on doing this...but they do! So how is a new news group formed? To bad we can't make this one moderated to limit the content to boating related topics. Quinton I know I'll get slammed for this but..... Why don't we just start a new group ourselves. Instead of doing it on Usenet we could do it on the Internet. I can get some free server space for a year and I'll buy the domain name, it's $20.00 so it's not a lot of money. I also know where to get free message board software. You can see the software on my other site chesapeakeforums.com. All we would need is a list of topics and some people to donate their time to moderate. Think of it like a boatered but not moderated by a business owner, but moderated by us. If a moderator gets out of line we can vote him off. The group would have control, not just one person. I am sure I left out a bunch of details but I think this is doable if we can get the people to donate some time and to participate. Ok, let me have it...... Just a word of friendly advice from a former, long term, moderator. It ain't that easy to moderate a newsgroup - it's time, time and more time then add some time on top of the time you've alread spent to the time - the net result being ****ing all the NG participants off at one point or another, wading through the complaints about your moderation efforts and nobody really gives a damn anyway. It's not easy, you have to have a thick skin, you have to be able to stick to the rules (which is a lot harder than you might think it is because there are always going to be three or four NG "lawyers" who interpret things in ways you would never have thought of) and it's hard maintain a core group of moderators who all work the same way and have the same outlook on life, the universe and everything. In short, it is very, very difficult even with well-intentioned invididuals who really, really want to make the scheme work well. I'm not trying to rain on your parade, but that's the way it works. Later, Tom S. Woodstock, CT ---------- "My rod and my reel - they comfort me." St. Pete, 12 Lb. Test |
Starting a new newsgroup?
"It's a new year!" wrote in message
news:%gIMb.38687$xy6.98464@attbi_s02... Lee, it is a great idea, the problem with web based groups is you have to promote and/or advertise the group to get a group of regulars. It is not quite as easy as sorting out UseNet groups for things you are interested in. The advantage is obvious, you would have a group discussing boats, without all of the name calling and OT political crap. It might make sense to use rec.boats for the flame wars and OT discussions. Those who want a true boating forum could add a sig file on the bottom of their posts promoting your true boating forum. Marketing the site would be necessary. But most people can use Google easily enough. Once your there your almost everywhere. Plus, I market my site all the time it wouldn't be that much trouble to add another URL to my workload. - - - - - Lee Yeaton www.thebayguide.com the boats of rec.boats www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats |
Starting a new newsgroup?
"QLW" wrote in message
... I like UseNet because it is easily found by new boaters or those that haven't use the net before. Quinton Usenet is great. But, most people I know have no idea it even exists. But, they do know how to use the web and can do a Google. I've tried to get other boaters I know into rec.boats but there not interested in downloading messages, posting and dealing with O.T. stuff. I've told them to click on the Groups tab in Google but they just don't like the format there. IMHO, The web would be easier for newbies. - - - - - Lee Yeaton www.thebayguide.com the boats of rec.boats www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats |
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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
... Just a word of friendly advice from a former, long term, moderator. It ain't that easy to moderate a newsgroup - it's time, time and more time then add some time on top of the time you've alread spent to the time - the net result being ****ing all the NG participants off at one point or another, wading through the complaints about your moderation efforts and nobody really gives a damn anyway. It's not easy, you have to have a thick skin, you have to be able to stick to the rules (which is a lot harder than you might think it is because there are always going to be three or four NG "lawyers" who interpret things in ways you would never have thought of) and it's hard maintain a core group of moderators who all work the same way and have the same outlook on life, the universe and everything. In short, it is very, very difficult even with well-intentioned invididuals who really, really want to make the scheme work well. I'm not trying to rain on your parade, but that's the way it works. Later, Tom S. Woodstock, CT ---------- "My rod and my reel - they comfort me." St. Pete, 12 Lb. Test I appreciate the warning but I have moderated before and I am doing it now, it isn't that bad. I have to read the discussions each day, which I do anyway, and sort through the bad stuff. The group is pretty well behaved. Occasionally there are some bad apples, but I just got rid of them. In the past I moderated on a very large Jeep site and there were a lot of times that I had to consult other mods, but since I was already reading the boards it wasn't to bad. - - - - - Lee Yeaton www.thebayguide.com the boats of rec.boats www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats |
Starting a new newsgroup?
I started a usenet style NNTP newsgroup for Mercury inline 6 owners about
1.5 years ago. It's hidden away on the claranet server in the UK. It's had a total of 7382 posts in that time - most all on topic. It's unmoderated, but I know the sysop at Claranet and if we ever had a problem he'd take care of it. -W "Lee Yeaton" wrote in message ... "QLW" wrote in message ... I like UseNet because it is easily found by new boaters or those that haven't use the net before. Quinton Usenet is great. But, most people I know have no idea it even exists. But, they do know how to use the web and can do a Google. I've tried to get other boaters I know into rec.boats but there not interested in downloading messages, posting and dealing with O.T. stuff. I've told them to click on the Groups tab in Google but they just don't like the format there. IMHO, The web would be easier for newbies. - - - - - Lee Yeaton www.thebayguide.com the boats of rec.boats www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats |
Starting a new newsgroup?
I like UseNet because it is easily found by new boaters or those that
haven't use the net before. Quinton "It's a new year!" wrote in message news:%gIMb.38687$xy6.98464@attbi_s02... Lee, it is a great idea, the problem with web based groups is you have to promote and/or advertise the group to get a group of regulars. It is not quite as easy as sorting out UseNet groups for things you are interested in. The advantage is obvious, you would have a group discussing boats, without all of the name calling and OT political crap. It might make sense to use rec.boats for the flame wars and OT discussions. Those who want a true boating forum could add a sig file on the bottom of their posts promoting your true boating forum. "Lee Yeaton" wrote in message ... "QLW" wrote in message ... It's plainly obvious that this newsgroup has become almost useless as a boating forum. Rec.cruising, rec.boats.building and alt.sailing are good but there is also a need for a general boating forum where one does not have to wade through all of the political crap and in-fighting posted here. I can't figure out why people insist on doing this...but they do! So how is a new news group formed? To bad we can't make this one moderated to limit the content to boating related topics. Quinton I know I'll get slammed for this but..... Why don't we just start a new group ourselves. Instead of doing it on Usenet we could do it on the Internet. I can get some free server space for a year and I'll buy the domain name, it's $20.00 so it's not a lot of money. I also know where to get free message board software. You can see the software on my other site chesapeakeforums.com. All we would need is a list of topics and some people to donate their time to moderate. Think of it like a boatered but not moderated by a business owner, but moderated by us. If a moderator gets out of line we can vote him off. The group would have control, not just one person. I am sure I left out a bunch of details but I think this is doable if we can get the people to donate some time and to participate. Ok, let me have it...... - - - - - Lee Yeaton www.thebayguide.com the boats of rec.boats www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats |
rec.boats.only
Quinton,
I agree. I just have to sort through all the OT messages. It is annoying. I am sure there are news groups for these topics. I go to news groups for photography, fly fishing, RVing and travel too. Talking about politics or religion is really stupid on a boat newsgroup. I think these off topic messages actually turn off some people that could either learn or teach here? -- Bill Kiene Kiene's Fly Shop Sacramento, CA, USA www.kiene.com "QLW" wrote in message ... It's plainly obvious that this newsgroup has become almost useless as a boating forum. Rec.cruising, rec.boats.building and alt.sailing are good but there is also a need for a general boating forum where one does not have to wade through all of the political crap and in-fighting posted here. I can't figure out why people insist on doing this...but they do! So how is a new news group formed? To bad we can't make this one moderated to limit the content to boating related topics. Quinton |
Starting a new newsgroup?
On Mon, 12 Jan 2004 22:06:28 -0500, "Lee Yeaton"
wrote: ~~ snippage ~~ I appreciate the warning but I have moderated before and I am doing it now, it isn't that bad. I have to read the discussions each day, which I do anyway, and sort through the bad stuff. The group is pretty well behaved. Occasionally there are some bad apples, but I just got rid of them. In the past I moderated on a very large Jeep site and there were a lot of times that I had to consult other mods, but since I was already reading the boards it wasn't to bad. Then be my guest if you know what you are getting into. ;) Later, Tom S. Woodstock, CT ---------- "My rod and my reel - they comfort me." St. Pete, 12 Lb. Test |
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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Mon, 12 Jan 2004 22:06:28 -0500, "Lee Yeaton" wrote: ~~ snippage ~~ I appreciate the warning but I have moderated before and I am doing it now, it isn't that bad. I have to read the discussions each day, which I do anyway, and sort through the bad stuff. The group is pretty well behaved. Occasionally there are some bad apples, but I just got rid of them. In the past I moderated on a very large Jeep site and there were a lot of times that I had to consult other mods, but since I was already reading the boards it wasn't to bad. Then be my guest if you know what you are getting into. ;) Later, Tom S. Woodstock, CT ---------- "My rod and my reel - they comfort me." St. Pete, 12 Lb. Test There is no shortage of moderated bulletin boards dealing with all aspects of boating. Several of these are quite nice. I read and participate regularly in two of them. This newsgroup starting going down the drain when the rabid attack dogs, Skipper and Karen Smith, starting inserting themselves into virtually every discussion with hair-splitting nonsense. Ms. Smith has played the attack dog around here for years, and has literally chased off many posters who had valuable contributions to make with her incessant attacks on them and their ideas. As these quality posters left, their places at the table were taken by the right-wing BORG, who feel it necessary to assimilate the world. Not everyone is as thick-skinned as I am, nor should they have to be. -- Email sent to is never read. |
Starting a new newsgroup?
Sounds great Lee.
I will say no matter what we do, it *has* to be moderated. The people who post OT now are fanatics. They will go to great lengths to be heard. It bothers them immensely not to be heard, in fact, many change their name (to avoid kill files) and infiltrate other newsgroups just out of spite. These unintelligent, rude, and inconsiderate people who disregard simple Usenet etiquette, would "attack" any new group we form, thus, it *has* to be moderated. My two cents... "Lee Yeaton" wrote in message ... "QLW" wrote in message ... It's plainly obvious that this newsgroup has become almost useless as a boating forum. Rec.cruising, rec.boats.building and alt.sailing are good but there is also a need for a general boating forum where one does not have to wade through all of the political crap and in-fighting posted here. I can't figure out why people insist on doing this...but they do! So how is a new news group formed? To bad we can't make this one moderated to limit the content to boating related topics. Quinton I know I'll get slammed for this but..... Why don't we just start a new group ourselves. Instead of doing it on Usenet we could do it on the Internet. I can get some free server space for a year and I'll buy the domain name, it's $20.00 so it's not a lot of money. I also know where to get free message board software. You can see the software on my other site chesapeakeforums.com. All we would need is a list of topics and some people to donate their time to moderate. Think of it like a boatered but not moderated by a business owner, but moderated by us. If a moderator gets out of line we can vote him off. The group would have control, not just one person. I am sure I left out a bunch of details but I think this is doable if we can get the people to donate some time and to participate. Ok, let me have it...... - - - - - Lee Yeaton www.thebayguide.com the boats of rec.boats www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats |
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On Mon, 12 Jan 2004 20:27:38 -0500, "Lee Yeaton"
wrote: snipped Ok, let me have it...... - - - - - Lee Yeaton www.thebayguide.com the boats of rec.boats www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats Lee, would the following be on or off topic? ****************************** This newsgroup starting going down the drain when the rabid attack dogs, Skipper and Karen Smith, starting inserting themselves into virtually every discussion with hair-splitting nonsense. Ms. Smith has played the attack dog around here for years, and has literally chased off many posters who had valuable contributions to make with her incessant attacks on them and their ideas. As these quality posters left, their places at the table were taken by the right-wing BORG, who feel it necessary to assimilate the world. ************************************************ This is a prime example of how a very on-topic thread gets turned into a flame war. Check out the BS and the Boat Talk forums at www.tidalfish.com ..There's something there for everyone, and it's free and moderated.The moderators do a great job, but they do put up with some flak every now and then. Access to all the forums may require registration, but it's no big deal. I've yet to get any unsolicited spam from these guys. John H On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay! |
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oh Jesus Harry! You are guilty of running people off this site as anyone.
Grow the hell up you fool. |
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The "Gang of Seven" should go to jail for 90-days, and see if it improves
rec.boats. There are seven personalities here causing most of the trouble. While the number of people involved in the general ruckus certainly exceeds seven, it is my opinion that the following posters, (listed in alphabetical order), are primarily responsible for the increasingly nasty tone and OT content of rec.boats. Others not listed below are merely co-dependent: Gould0738: May know a little about boats, but contributes to general chaos. Starts few OT threads, but participates freely. Encourages the liberals and p's off the conservatives. He can be extremely vindictive. Seldom wins or loses graciously. This reckless, maverick, self centered personality bends and/or disregards most rules that others rely on to establish social structure. His free-for-all attitudes are generally incompatible with the NG format. Harry Krause: A perpetual troublemaker who views rec.boats as a personal playground. Talks "down" to everybody even when not trying to do so. A major originator of OT posts. In common with the other members of the gang of seven, he puts his own need to express opinions and argue points above the general welfare of the group. Jim: Has appeared in rec.boats as at least two separate personalities, both of them extremely combative. Contributes to the negative atmosphere by firing off cheap insults at posters he disagrees with. Has very little actual boating experience, and virtually never contributes anything on topic. Once said "I come to rec.boats just to stir up trouble. I go elsewhere for real boating newsgroups". jps: A relentless cutter-and-paster of newspaper articles critical of George Bush and the right wing in general. Possibly feels that his behavior is justified because of the ready audience he finds in the NG. A source of much of the OT material in the NG. Karen Smith: owns all or part of a boatyard in Australia. Visits rec.boats primarily to argue and call names. When the group was more on-topic, she demonized everyone (else) involved in the marine business. Now that the group has devolved to more off-topic material, she has decided that she's really a displaced American conservative (and that the evil enemies are all the liberals in the world), so the names and the flames can continue undiminished. NOYB: A fledgling dentist from Naples, FLA, who is listed as a participant in a few dozen newsgroups. Not sure he owns a boat. Never posts on topic. He is the counter-point to jps, cutting and pasting general news articles favorable to George Bush and the right wing in general. Most honest, and likely the most extreme of all rec.boats conservatives. A major author of OT threads. Wally: A lesser version of the Jim/Dennis Compton profile.Typical post is two lines of insulting response to an OT comment. Contributes very little as far as the nominal topic goes, but adds significantly to the combative, adversarial atmosphere in the NG. Unable to engage in civil debate. Has no ability to respect contrasting opinion. He may well be fairly intelligent, but fails to present as such in this format. Anyhow, I think this is such a good idea and holds such promise that I hereby adopt it. I'm out of here for at least 90-days (leaving you all with a gang of only six) and by my example I challenge my fellow trouble makers to do the same. If I check back at the end of that time it will be interesting to see if any of the other trouble makers agreed with my suggestion for a time out, and whether the group improves in tone or content as a result. (There will be very little point in flaming my comments above......I won't be around to read your remarks. If you're included in my list and need to get "even", send me an e-mail. Thanks) |
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Oh, uh huh, I see... I'm not included :( Well, I can blame myself, because
once or twice I've been known to say "you all pi$$ me off, I'm going elsewhere" - but then a few weeks later, I come back here. Anyway I like your analogies. They are right on target! Hehehee... This is mine (feel free to modify it, rewrite it as needed): Butch Ammon: Fresh water boater using his dad's old 70's trihull. Has knowledge of small boating (jon boats and smaller pond boats), and even the old 5hp Johnson Sea Horse OB's. Ocean boating experience is limited to learning to pilot a USCG 41' UTB off the coast of Cape May, NJ in 1979! Rec.boats: Has been somewhat active since May 1999 when he picked up his dad's old 17' trihull and started using it. Posts some off-topic threads, joins in fun and general banter, but when it things get heated and into a flame war, he backs down and feels "if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all". Political: Republican but known to like "some" democrats (Zell Miller, etc..). Religion: Presbyterian (very laid back, has been spotted in church on occasion and the roof didn't collapse!) Sports: Die-hard Buffalo Bills football fan. Plays golf when not boating. Tries hard to beat best round of 84. Goes freshwater fishing on Lake Anna, VA and in the fall/winter goes hunting with friends. Music: appreciates all varieties of music except rap and hip-hop. Wide variety of taste from Metallica to Tony Bennett. How's that sound? Butch Ammon |
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"Gould 0738" wrote in message ... The "Gang of Seven" should go to jail for 90-days, and see if it improves rec.boats. There are seven personalities here causing most of the trouble. While the number of people involved in the general ruckus certainly exceeds seven, it is my opinion that the following posters, (listed in alphabetical order), are primarily responsible for the increasingly nasty tone and OT content of rec.boats. Others not listed below are merely co-dependent: Gould0738: May know a little about boats, but contributes to general chaos. Starts few OT threads, but participates freely. Encourages the liberals and p's off the conservatives. He can be extremely vindictive. Seldom wins or loses graciously. This reckless, maverick, self centered personality bends and/or disregards most rules that others rely on to establish social structure. His free-for-all attitudes are generally incompatible with the NG format. Harry Krause: A perpetual troublemaker who views rec.boats as a personal playground. Talks "down" to everybody even when not trying to do so. A major originator of OT posts. In common with the other members of the gang of seven, he puts his own need to express opinions and argue points above the general welfare of the group. Jim: Has appeared in rec.boats as at least two separate personalities, both of them extremely combative. Contributes to the negative atmosphere by firing off cheap insults at posters he disagrees with. Has very little actual boating experience, and virtually never contributes anything on topic. Once said "I come to rec.boats just to stir up trouble. I go elsewhere for real boating newsgroups". jps: A relentless cutter-and-paster of newspaper articles critical of George Bush and the right wing in general. Possibly feels that his behavior is justified because of the ready audience he finds in the NG. A source of much of the OT material in the NG. Karen Smith: owns all or part of a boatyard in Australia. Visits rec.boats primarily to argue and call names. When the group was more on-topic, she demonized everyone (else) involved in the marine business. Now that the group has devolved to more off-topic material, she has decided that she's really a displaced American conservative (and that the evil enemies are all the liberals in the world), so the names and the flames can continue undiminished. NOYB: A fledgling dentist from Naples, FLA, When do you stop being a "fledgling"? I figure 5 years in my own practice qualifies me as more than a "fledgling". who is listed as a participant in a few dozen newsgroups. Half a dozen. Tops. Not sure he owns a boat. Currently own two. Both are Boston Whalers...a 17' and a 25'. Previously owned a grady 23 Gulfstream, 13 Whaler and a 22' Whaler. Never posts on topic. Not here, anyhow. Well...sometimes. He is the counter-point to jps, cutting and pasting general news articles favorable to George Bush and the right wing in general. Most honest, Thanks! ;-) and likely the most extreme of all rec.boats conservatives. I dunno about that. Clams has been pretty extreme lately...but I'm trying. A major author of OT threads. Just when I'm bored. Geez, Gould... You're tougher on yourself than on the other people you mention. BTW--next time you descibe Harry, it'd be prudent to include the word "Narcissist" if you really want your bio to be complete and accurate. Also, you left out basskisser: Karate Kid wannabe living in Atlanta, who has posted here under 5 or 6 different names. Claims he's a PE who works for himself, but is probably unemployed and living with his parents. Thinks he's Bruce Lee, and has challenged every conservative off-topic poster here to a fight. Has no clue how to follow a thread, and consistently posts off-topic of even the off-topic threads. When cornered like a rat, resorts to name-calling. |
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I was going to write my autobiography, but couldn't thing of enough nice
adjectives to list...... I'll get back to you! Butch Ammon wrote in message ... Oh, uh huh, I see... I'm not included :( Well, I can blame myself, because once or twice I've been known to say "you all pi$$ me off, I'm going elsewhere" - but then a few weeks later, I come back here. Anyway I like your analogies. They are right on target! Hehehee... This is mine (feel free to modify it, rewrite it as needed): Butch Ammon: Fresh water boater using his dad's old 70's trihull. Has knowledge of small boating (jon boats and smaller pond boats), and even the old 5hp Johnson Sea Horse OB's. Ocean boating experience is limited to learning to pilot a USCG 41' UTB off the coast of Cape May, NJ in 1979! Rec.boats: Has been somewhat active since May 1999 when he picked up his dad's old 17' trihull and started using it. Posts some off-topic threads, joins in fun and general banter, but when it things get heated and into a flame war, he backs down and feels "if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all". Political: Republican but known to like "some" democrats (Zell Miller, etc..). Religion: Presbyterian (very laid back, has been spotted in church on occasion and the roof didn't collapse!) Sports: Die-hard Buffalo Bills football fan. Plays golf when not boating. Tries hard to beat best round of 84. Goes freshwater fishing on Lake Anna, VA and in the fall/winter goes hunting with friends. Music: appreciates all varieties of music except rap and hip-hop. Wide variety of taste from Metallica to Tony Bennett. How's that sound? Butch Ammon |
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"Gould 0738" wrote in message ... The "Gang of Seven" should go to jail for 90-days, and see if it improves rec.boats. There are seven personalities here causing most of the trouble. While the number of people involved in the general ruckus certainly exceeds seven, it is my opinion that the following posters, (listed in alphabetical order), are primarily responsible for the increasingly nasty tone and OT content of rec.boats. Others not listed below are merely co-dependent: Gould0738: May know a little about boats, but contributes to general chaos. Starts few OT threads, but participates freely. Encourages the liberals and p's off the conservatives. He can be extremely vindictive. Seldom wins or loses graciously. This reckless, maverick, self centered personality bends and/or disregards most rules that others rely on to establish social structure. His free-for-all attitudes are generally incompatible with the NG format. Harry Krause: A perpetual troublemaker who views rec.boats as a personal playground. Talks "down" to everybody even when not trying to do so. A major originator of OT posts. In common with the other members of the gang of seven, he puts his own need to express opinions and argue points above the general welfare of the group. Jim: Has appeared in rec.boats as at least two separate personalities, both of them extremely combative. Pot-kettle-black Contributes to the negative atmosphere by firing off cheap insults at posters he disagrees with. Actually Chuck, to the contrary, I point out those left wingers who insult those they are responding to instead of addressing the issues at hand. Please point me to the cheap insults I fire off at people I disagree with. Has very little actual boating experience, LOL! 25+ years is certainly not "very little". Glad you were honest about yourself. Add bb and Doug Kanter to the list also. ;-) See you around in 3 months Chuck. |
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On Tue, 13 Jan 2004 14:15:08 -0500, John H
wrote: Well, there will go at least half of my posts! Good post, Chuck. You have yet to **** me off, so I must not be a conservative! ================================================== ==== Chuck is a good example of someone who can disagree without being disagreeable. It's an art that others here should strive to perfect, on topic or off. |
Ot: Rec.boats alum pizzes off all of New Zealand!
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"Jim--" wrote in message ... "Gould 0738" wrote in message ... The "Gang of Seven" should go to jail for 90-days, and see if it improves rec.boats. There are seven personalities here causing most of the trouble. While the number of people involved in the general ruckus certainly exceeds seven, it is my opinion that the following posters, (listed in alphabetical order), are primarily responsible for the increasingly nasty tone and OT content of rec.boats. Others not listed below are merely co-dependent: Gould0738: May know a little about boats, but contributes to general chaos. Starts few OT threads, but participates freely. Encourages the liberals and p's off the conservatives. He can be extremely vindictive. Seldom wins or loses graciously. This reckless, maverick, self centered personality bends and/or disregards most rules that others rely on to establish social structure. His free-for-all attitudes are generally incompatible with the NG format. Harry Krause: A perpetual troublemaker who views rec.boats as a personal playground. Talks "down" to everybody even when not trying to do so. A major originator of OT posts. In common with the other members of the gang of seven, he puts his own need to express opinions and argue points above the general welfare of the group. Jim: Has appeared in rec.boats as at least two separate personalities, both of them extremely combative. Pot-kettle-black Contributes to the negative atmosphere by firing off cheap insults at posters he disagrees with. Actually Chuck, to the contrary, I point out those left wingers who insult those they are responding to instead of addressing the issues at hand. Please point me to the cheap insults I fire off at people I disagree with. Has very little actual boating experience, LOL! 25+ years is certainly not "very little". Glad you were honest about yourself. Add bb and Doug Kanter to the list also. ;-) See you around in 3 months Chuck. BTW: I will take your challenge, provided you, harry krause, basskisser, bb, jps and doug kanter do the same. ;-) |
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"Dave Hall" wrote in message ... On 13 Jan 2004 17:20:22 GMT, (Gould 0738) wrote: The "Gang of Seven" should go to jail for 90-days, and see if it improves rec.boats. There are seven personalities here causing most of the trouble. While the number of people involved in the general ruckus certainly exceeds seven, it is my opinion that the following posters, (listed in alphabetical order), are primarily responsible for the increasingly nasty tone and OT content of rec.boats. Others not listed below are merely co-dependent: Gould0738: May know a little about boats, but contributes to general chaos. Starts few OT threads, but participates freely. Encourages the liberals and p's off the conservatives. He can be extremely vindictive. Seldom wins or loses graciously. This reckless, maverick, self centered personality bends and/or disregards most rules that others rely on to establish social structure. His free-for-all attitudes are generally incompatible with the NG format. Harry Krause: A perpetual troublemaker who views rec.boats as a personal playground. Talks "down" to everybody even when not trying to do so. A major originator of OT posts. In common with the other members of the gang of seven, he puts his own need to express opinions and argue points above the general welfare of the group. Jim: Has appeared in rec.boats as at least two separate personalities, both of them extremely combative. Contributes to the negative atmosphere by firing off cheap insults at posters he disagrees with. Has very little actual boating experience, and virtually never contributes anything on topic. Once said "I come to rec.boats just to stir up trouble. I go elsewhere for real boating newsgroups". jps: A relentless cutter-and-paster of newspaper articles critical of George Bush and the right wing in general. Possibly feels that his behavior is justified because of the ready audience he finds in the NG. A source of much of the OT material in the NG. Karen Smith: owns all or part of a boatyard in Australia. Visits rec.boats primarily to argue and call names. When the group was more on-topic, she demonized everyone (else) involved in the marine business. Now that the group has devolved to more off-topic material, she has decided that she's really a displaced American conservative (and that the evil enemies are all the liberals in the world), so the names and the flames can continue undiminished. NOYB: A fledgling dentist from Naples, FLA, who is listed as a participant in a few dozen newsgroups. Not sure he owns a boat. Never posts on topic. He is the counter-point to jps, cutting and pasting general news articles favorable to George Bush and the right wing in general. Most honest, and likely the most extreme of all rec.boats conservatives. A major author of OT threads. Wally: A lesser version of the Jim/Dennis Compton profile.Typical post is two lines of insulting response to an OT comment. Contributes very little as far as the nominal topic goes, but adds significantly to the combative, adversarial atmosphere in the NG. Unable to engage in civil debate. Has no ability to respect contrasting opinion. He may well be fairly intelligent, but fails to present as such in this format. Anyhow, I think this is such a good idea and holds such promise that I hereby adopt it. I'm out of here for at least 90-days (leaving you all with a gang of only six) and by my example I challenge my fellow trouble makers to do the same. If I check back at the end of that time it will be interesting to see if any of the other trouble makers agreed with my suggestion for a time out, and whether the group improves in tone or content as a result. (There will be very little point in flaming my comments above......I won't be around to read your remarks. If you're included in my list and need to get "even", send me an e-mail. Thanks) Geeze, I'm hurt. I didn't make the cut ;-). Maybe I need to post more? Dave Don't feel bad. I really don't post here a lot compared to the others. I guess am on the list as Chuck generally does not like me....you see, I am always proving him wrong. ;-) |
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"Lee Yeaton" wrote in message ... Why don't we just start a new group ourselves. Instead of doing it on Usenet we could do it on the Internet. Well, you could always start up a Yahoo Group. Rod |
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Geeze, I'm hurt. I didn't make the cut ;-). Maybe I need to post more?
Dave I'm not sure. I think Chuck's original post was along the lines of "Who's the biggest a**hole on rec.boats? - take a vote". The winner gets to take his buddies with him and be banished for 90 days. Butch Ammon |
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