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"QLW" wrote in message
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It's plainly obvious that this newsgroup has become almost useless as a
boating forum.
How about a new group for the OT discussions
Rec.boat.discussions.while.boating or
Rec.boat.discussions.while.fishing

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Harry Krause wrote:

This newsgroup starting going down the drain when the rabid attack dogs,
Skipper and Karen Smith, starting inserting themselves into virtually
every discussion with hair-splitting nonsense. Ms. Smith has played the
attack dog around here for years, and has literally chased off many
posters who had valuable contributions to make with her incessant
attacks on them and their ideas. As these quality posters left, their
places at the table were taken by the right-wing BORG, who feel it
necessary to assimilate the world.

Of course, nothing could be farther from the truth. More bull**** from a
pathological liar.

What really irks you is that you have been unable to run Karen and
others who expose you off the newsgroup, which you have been sucessful
in doing with serveral others whom you physically threatened.


Not everyone is as thick-skinned as I am, nor should they have to be.

Your not thick skinned at all; you're a rather immature child who lives
in his make-believe world.

-- Charlie


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Gould 0738 wrote:

Anyhow, I think this is such a good idea and holds such promise that I hereby
adopt it. I'm out of here for at least 90-days
(leaving you all with a gang of only six) and by my example I challenge my
fellow trouble makers to do the same.

You've sworn off OT posting before, gould yet you utimately end up as
one of the worst offenders.

You "leave" with a post that flames certain people, yet soft-pedals the
single biggest asshole in the newsgroup.

Good ridance. Clean up your act while you're away.

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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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This newsgroup starting going down the drain when the rabid attack dogs,
Skipper and Karen Smith, starting inserting themselves into virtually
every discussion with hair-splitting nonsense. Ms. Smith has played the
attack dog around here for years, and has literally chased off many
posters who had valuable contributions to make with her incessant
attacks on them and their ideas. As these quality posters left, their
places at the table were taken by the right-wing BORG, who feel it
necessary to assimilate the world.

Not everyone is as thick-skinned as I am, nor should they have to be.



No offence Harry, but you have done your part to run this group to the murky
depths also!
On the other hand I do enjoy your on topic posts. I for one would not mind
seeing you around, if you could keep it on topic.
Greg

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"NetSock" wrote in message
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Sounds great Lee.

I will say no matter what we do, it *has* to be moderated.



I agree, to a point.
I have no problem with a OT post here and there, bragging about ones child,
a quick anecdote about a friend or family member, asking for help on an
unrelated subject, that type of post. Purely on topic gets a little boring.
The political and bashing has got to stop.

I hang in rec.woodworking, and rec.crafts.metalworking too. The OT posts are
few, except for the trolls that come and go. Both these groups are very
healthy in my mind, and there are some OT posts every day, but most are from
long time members and are interesting to most.
If you post OT, just to troll, in either of those groups your ISP will get a
ton of abuse complaints!!
Greg

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Gould 0738 wrote:

Genuinely sorry to see chuckles go & will email to tell him so, I
suggest any other who feel the same might let him know??

Lee if you do go ahead thanks in advance & I'll have a go at
registering, if that's OK:-)

Just a suggestion?? I suspect "some" of the trouble with other
moderated groups is that the moderators seem to be inconsistent or
partisan?? Clearly anyone who gets a post chucked always say they're
hard done by, but maybe a short set of fairly concise guidelines
(rules)?? So when the moderator moderates, they also specify under which
of the guidelines they have done so??

Possibly exceeding my remit but the guidelines themselves; might
initially anyway be written by the group itself?? just by simple vote?

Anyway good luck with it & to the extent I've contributed to the errant
behaviour I apologise, note I rarely "start" a thread & if others didn't
post OT gobbldegook well ......

Best regards,

K

The "Gang of Seven" should go to jail for 90-days, and see if it improves
rec.boats.
There are seven personalities here causing most of the trouble. While the
number of people involved in the general ruckus certainly exceeds seven, it is
my opinion that the following posters, (listed in alphabetical order), are
primarily responsible for the increasingly nasty tone and OT content of
rec.boats. Others not listed below are merely co-dependent:


Gould0738: May know a little about boats, but contributes to general chaos.
Starts few OT threads, but participates freely. Encourages the liberals and p's
off the conservatives. He can be extremely vindictive. Seldom wins or loses
graciously. This reckless, maverick, self centered personality bends and/or
disregards most rules that others rely on to establish social structure. His
free-for-all attitudes are generally incompatible with the NG format.

Harry Krause: A perpetual troublemaker who views rec.boats as a personal
playground. Talks "down" to everybody even when not trying to do so. A major
originator of OT posts. In common with the other members of the gang of seven,
he puts his own need to express opinions and
argue points above the general welfare of the group.

Jim: Has appeared in rec.boats as at least two separate personalities, both of
them
extremely combative. Contributes to the negative atmosphere by firing off cheap
insults at posters he disagrees with. Has very little actual boating
experience, and virtually never contributes anything on topic. Once said "I
come to rec.boats just to stir up trouble. I go elsewhere for real boating
newsgroups".

jps: A relentless cutter-and-paster of newspaper articles critical of George
Bush
and the right wing in general. Possibly feels that his behavior is justified
because of the ready audience he finds in the NG.
A source of much of the OT material in the NG.

Karen Smith: owns all or part of a boatyard
in Australia. Visits rec.boats primarily to argue and call names. When the
group was more on-topic, she demonized everyone (else) involved in the marine
business. Now that the group has devolved to more off-topic material, she has
decided that she's really a displaced American conservative (and that the evil
enemies are all the liberals in the world), so the names and the flames can
continue undiminished.

NOYB: A fledgling dentist from Naples, FLA, who is listed as a participant in a
few dozen newsgroups. Not sure he owns a boat. Never posts on topic. He is the
counter-point to jps, cutting and pasting general news articles favorable to
George Bush and the right wing in general. Most honest, and likely the most
extreme of all rec.boats conservatives. A major author of OT threads.

Wally: A lesser version of the Jim/Dennis Compton profile.Typical post is two
lines of insulting response to an OT comment. Contributes very little as far as
the nominal topic goes, but adds significantly to the combative, adversarial
atmosphere in the NG. Unable to engage in civil debate. Has no ability to
respect contrasting opinion. He may well be fairly intelligent, but fails to
present as such in this format.

Anyhow, I think this is such a good idea and holds such promise that I hereby
adopt it. I'm out of here for at least 90-days
(leaving you all with a gang of only six) and by my example I challenge my
fellow trouble makers to do the same.

If I check back at the end of that time it will be interesting to see if any of
the other trouble makers agreed with my suggestion for a time out, and whether
the group improves in tone or content as a result.

(There will be very little point in flaming my comments above......I won't be
around to read your remarks. If you're included in my list and need to get
"even", send me an e-mail. Thanks)

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Wayne.B wrote in message . ..
On Tue, 13 Jan 2004 14:15:08 -0500, John H
wrote:

Well, there will go at least half of my posts! Good post, Chuck. You
have yet to **** me off, so I must not be a conservative!

================================================== ====

Chuck is a good example of someone who can disagree without being
disagreeable.

It's an art that others here should strive to perfect, on topic or
off.

It's all Harry's fault! Just shut Harry up and it all ends. Harry
makes a post and the rest high five him and take turns until someone
answers, thus starts the war. If Harry did not start it, JPS and
Kanter and basskisser would not get in as they don't seem to be able
to generate original thoughts, or if they do, have the balls to admit
them. And if no-one answered the cut n paste mentality would get old,
fast. The highfiving would not start and Gould would not get in, the
highfiving would not start and Jim, John, me, and the rest would not
finally feel compelled to join in with more rational thinking which
tends to get Gould into the picture too.
OK, that was kind of sarcasm, and I am not as clever as Gould with
masking the insults, but keep reading, as I do really have a solution
based on a formula that works in another unmoderated usenet group. So
here we go...

We all know that Harry will never stop as he is the one with the most
to lose here if his political agenda is not served, or if UILLCO gets
nabbed. The only real way to save this group is for someone other than
the shills to give a stand a try. Really, do you expect the shills to
care at all about the group? Anyway, Jim, John, Clams, Wayne, et al,
we should try the rec.boats.builders approach to it. Absolutely ignore
it and it will go away. I know you say it won't, but it will, and the
proof is there at that group. We just don't address or acknowledge the
ot or even spammers for the most part and they usually take their
marbles and go away when they find that there is no one willing to
play there, no money to be made, nobody to impress, nobody to fight
with, nobody at all, nobody. How bout' it guys? Gould and the rest
don't need to go away; they just need to be completely ignored when
posting OT. We can take a stand, not count on them to do it, let them
stay, no 90 day exclude. Let them post ot, high five each other, etc.
After a month or so of no one to argue with, no attention at all, they
will slowly taper off. And if they don't, who cares, with no
opposition, no excitement, just the same old rhetoric over and over
again, even the gawkers, you know, those of us who just end up
getting pulled in by the trainwreck curiosity factor will stop paying
attention.

So since this must get political, I put up this challenge to the the
moderates, liberals, and conservatives who want this group back. When
JPS, Harry, Kanter or whoever posts a off topic and the rest start pig
piling on to see if they can get a rise out of the opposition just
don't do it, don't answer, no matter how hard it is, take the high
road, prove who is really the better group.
Now there will be no need for tallies, as we remember what happens to
tallies when they start going the wrong way;-0... But if you really
want to see it in action like I said, go to the builders group, of
course a lot may also have to do with the fact that most in the
builders group are doer's not just talkers... But I still don't see
why it would not work here.
Scotty

__________________________________________________ ___________________________
"There is nothing patriotic about hating your country, or pretending
that you
can love your country but despise your government."
Bill Clinton
Speaking at Michigan State University
__________________________________________________ ___________________________

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I should just note that the usegroup I mentioned in my previous
thread, though unmoderated, had 2 OT threads (and one of them was tool
related spam which some readers do not even consider ot) in the last
75 threads.
Scotty, we can take the news group back...

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And yet just this morning you felt the need to weigh in with your "more
rational thinking" to the ridiculous ACLU thread. Your proposal has merit,
your personal devotion to it appears questionable.

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On Tue, 13 Jan 2004 17:20:22 +0000, Gould 0738 wrote:

The "Gang of Seven" should go to jail for 90-days, and see if it
improves rec.boats.
There are seven personalities here causing most of the trouble. While
the number of people involved in the general ruckus certainly exceeds
seven, it is my opinion that the following posters, (listed in
alphabetical order), are primarily responsible for the increasingly
nasty tone and OT content of rec.boats. Others not listed below are
merely co-dependent:


Hey, once again I miss the list! Canadians can be assholes too, you
know! We demand equal time! ;)

lsumpter: Renegade from some northern place. Hates everything about the
US, even the good things. Doesn't know when to shut up. Buys old boats and
fixes them with baling-wire, and complains if anyone gives him advice.
Unknown if he actually goes out in any of his boats: unlikely, since the
water is frozen 11 months/year there. Has been known to agree with, or even
praise, other rabblerousers like Harry, Chuck and Butch. Rumored to be a
Baby-eating Satanist (or at least a pagan - same thing, isn't it?).

Lloyd Sumpter
"Far Cove" Catalina 36 - stuck in the ice...err...engineless!

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Don't forget to mention those 'vinyl women' you tend to frequent ;-)

Lloyd Sumpter wrote in message
...
On Tue, 13 Jan 2004 17:20:22 +0000, Gould 0738 wrote:

The "Gang of Seven" should go to jail for 90-days, and see if it
improves rec.boats.
There are seven personalities here causing most of the trouble. While
the number of people involved in the general ruckus certainly exceeds
seven, it is my opinion that the following posters, (listed in
alphabetical order), are primarily responsible for the increasingly
nasty tone and OT content of rec.boats. Others not listed below are
merely co-dependent:


Hey, once again I miss the list! Canadians can be assholes too, you
know! We demand equal time! ;)

lsumpter: Renegade from some northern place. Hates everything about the
US, even the good things. Doesn't know when to shut up. Buys old boats and
fixes them with baling-wire, and complains if anyone gives him advice.
Unknown if he actually goes out in any of his boats: unlikely, since the
water is frozen 11 months/year there. Has been known to agree with, or
even
praise, other rabblerousers like Harry, Chuck and Butch. Rumored to be a
Baby-eating Satanist (or at least a pagan - same thing, isn't it?).

Lloyd Sumpter
"Far Cove" Catalina 36 - stuck in the ice...err...engineless!

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If there were only boating messages posted here, would you read every single
one of them?

"QLW" wrote in message
...
It's plainly obvious that this newsgroup has become almost useless as a
boating forum. Rec.cruising, rec.boats.building and alt.sailing are good
but there is also a need for a general boating forum where one does not
have
to wade through all of the political crap and in-fighting posted here. I
can't figure out why people insist on doing this...but they do! So how is
a
new news group formed? To bad we can't make this one moderated to limit
the
content to boating related topics.
Quinton

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"Lloyd Sumpter" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 13 Jan 2004 17:20:22 +0000, Gould 0738 wrote:

The "Gang of Seven" should go to jail for 90-days, and see if it
improves rec.boats.
There are seven personalities here causing most of the trouble.
While
the number of people involved in the general ruckus certainly
exceeds
seven, it is my opinion that the following posters, (listed in
alphabetical order), are primarily responsible for the increasingly
nasty tone and OT content of rec.boats. Others not listed below are
merely co-dependent:


Hey, once again I miss the list! Canadians can be assholes too, you
know! We demand equal time! ;)

lsumpter: Renegade from some northern place. Hates everything about
the
US, even the good things. Doesn't know when to shut up. Buys old boats
and
fixes them with baling-wire, and complains if anyone gives him advice.
Unknown if he actually goes out in any of his boats: unlikely, since
the
water is frozen 11 months/year there. Has been known to agree with, or
even
praise, other rabblerousers like Harry, Chuck and Butch. Rumored to be
a
Baby-eating Satanist (or at least a pagan - same thing, isn't it?).

Lloyd Sumpter
"Far Cove" Catalina 36 - stuck in the ice...err...engineless!

I have just decided to killfile those folks whose posts are mostly ot.
eventually, either I run out of posters or I get to where the posts I
see are mostly on topic. I try very hard to only post on topic.

del cecchi

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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
If there were only boating messages posted here, would you read every
single
one of them?
No, I'd probably only look at the ones that looked interesting to me. But
at least I'd only have to go through a short selection process. Your point
is?
Quinton

"QLW" wrote in message
...
It's plainly obvious that this newsgroup has become almost useless as a
boating forum. Rec.cruising, rec.boats.building and alt.sailing are
good
but there is also a need for a general boating forum where one does not
have
to wade through all of the political crap and in-fighting posted here.
I
can't figure out why people insist on doing this...but they do! So how
is
a
new news group formed? To bad we can't make this one moderated to limit
the
content to boating related topics.
Quinton

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"QLW" wrote in message
...

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
If there were only boating messages posted here, would you read every
single
one of them?
No, I'd probably only look at the ones that looked interesting to me. But
at least I'd only have to go through a short selection process. Your
point
is?
Quinton

My point is that you seem to have mastered the concept of "not looking",
which is why we can drive down a busy street 100 times and not notice a new
business that's opened until someone mentions it to us.

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"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...
The "Gang of Seven" should go to jail for 90-days, and see if it improves
rec.boats.
There are seven personalities here causing most of the trouble. While the
number of people involved in the general ruckus certainly exceeds seven,
it is
my opinion that the following posters, (listed in alphabetical order), are
primarily responsible for the increasingly nasty tone and OT content of
rec.boats. Others not listed below are merely co-dependent:


Gould0738: May know a little about boats, but contributes to general
chaos.
Starts few OT threads, but participates freely. Encourages the liberals
and p's
off the conservatives. He can be extremely vindictive. Seldom wins or
loses
graciously. This reckless, maverick, self centered personality bends
and/or
disregards most rules that others rely on to establish social structure.
His
free-for-all attitudes are generally incompatible with the NG format.

Harry Krause: A perpetual troublemaker who views rec.boats as a personal
playground. Talks "down" to everybody even when not trying to do so. A
major
originator of OT posts. In common with the other members of the gang of
seven,
he puts his own need to express opinions and
argue points above the general welfare of the group.

Jim: Has appeared in rec.boats as at least two separate personalities,
both of
them
extremely combative. Contributes to the negative atmosphere by firing off
cheap
insults at posters he disagrees with. Has very little actual boating
experience, and virtually never contributes anything on topic. Once said
"I
come to rec.boats just to stir up trouble. I go elsewhere for real boating
newsgroups".

jps: A relentless cutter-and-paster of newspaper articles critical of
George
Bush
and the right wing in general. Possibly feels that his behavior is
justified
because of the ready audience he finds in the NG.
A source of much of the OT material in the NG.

Karen Smith: owns all or part of a boatyard
in Australia. Visits rec.boats primarily to argue and call names. When the
group was more on-topic, she demonized everyone (else) involved in the
marine
business. Now that the group has devolved to more off-topic material, she
has
decided that she's really a displaced American conservative (and that the
evil
enemies are all the liberals in the world), so the names and the flames
can
continue undiminished.

NOYB: A fledgling dentist from Naples, FLA, who is listed as a participant
in a
few dozen newsgroups. Not sure he owns a boat. Never posts on topic. He is
the
counter-point to jps, cutting and pasting general news articles favorable
to
George Bush and the right wing in general. Most honest, and likely the
most
extreme of all rec.boats conservatives. A major author of OT threads.

Wally: A lesser version of the Jim/Dennis Compton profile.Typical post is
two
lines of insulting response to an OT comment. Contributes very little as
far as
the nominal topic goes, but adds significantly to the combative,
adversarial
atmosphere in the NG. Unable to engage in civil debate. Has no ability to
respect contrasting opinion. He may well be fairly intelligent, but fails
to
present as such in this format.

Anyhow, I think this is such a good idea and holds such promise that I
hereby
adopt it. I'm out of here for at least 90-days
(leaving you all with a gang of only six) and by my example I challenge my
fellow trouble makers to do the same.

If I check back at the end of that time it will be interesting to see if
any of
the other trouble makers agreed with my suggestion for a time out, and
whether
the group improves in tone or content as a result.

(There will be very little point in flaming my comments above......I won't
be
around to read your remarks. If you're included in my list and need to get
"even", send me an e-mail. Thanks)



Sadly, your plan fell on deaf ears to most, including most of the offenders
not on you list of 7.

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Don't be silly. Just set up a few filters and you won't have any problems.
I have about 20 or 30 subject terms filtered out and don't have any problems
with this newsgroup. It took about 10 minutes. Big deal.

Grissy

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"noah" wrote in message



I don't know "who" you are Rod, but you have it right. Mostly.

I have been an active participant in rec.boats since '92. As I said before,
I was part of the committee that created rec.boats.sailing and
rec.boats.cruising.


Once a group is established, it will not be changed to "moderated".

It is possible, but very unlikely. When a group is first proposed, the
controversy of moderation is often enough to prevent its creation. Once a
group has been established, changing its charter would be monumentally more
difficult.

New groups can be formed,
but you'd better have a damned good reason, and a lot of support.

Yep.


Rod McInnis