Ah...wow, what great boating convo! You say Americans are greedy, well,
sir, unfortuantely Unions contrubute to the "Higher wadges, lower
production" that is creating a blight on the real working person's job. Not
only have I seen what the "fine unions have done" I've seen what they don't
do. They contribute to the demoralization of the working class by making
people lazy in their positions. I've worked with exunion guys that want it
all handed to them, and I'm sorry, I can't see what a bennfit you are to us.

Read the history of unions, then get back to me.

Here's a joke for you.

How do you make a Union man work?
Give him 50.00 and tell him to stand over there.

"Weathered Rose" wrote in message link.net...
Ah...wow, what great boating convo! You say Americans are greedy, well,
sir, unfortuantely Unions contrubute to the "Higher wadges, lower
production" that is creating a blight on the real working person's job. Not
only have I seen what the "fine unions have done" I've seen what they don't
do. They contribute to the demoralization of the working class by making
people lazy in their positions. I've worked with exunion guys that want it
all handed to them, and I'm sorry, I can't see what a bennfit you are to us.

Read the history of unions, then get back to me.

Here's a joke for you.

How do you make a Union man work?
Give him 50.00 and tell him to stand over there.

The benefits of unions must be too much for you to grasp, huh? Without
unions, we, and our children, would be slaving at jobs for 18 hours a
day, for just enough to feed us, and keep us relatively warm at night.
No safety equipment, so losing limbs would be common, and if you DO
lose one, don't look to the employer to cover medical costs.

Basskisser, your way out to lunch with those statements. Lets look at what
you said.




"
How do you make a Union man work?
Give him 50.00 and tell him to stand over there.




"""The benefits of unions must be too much for you to grasp, huh?"""


Benefit,,, to who ? The union worker (not all workers) are the only people
who benefit from their unreasonable demands. The firm suffers as well as the
economy suffers. Not to mention ununionized jobs which is probably 80% of
the rest of the workers in your country.




""'Without
unions, we, and our children, would be slaving at jobs for 18 hours a
day,"""


Give your head a shake here there basskisser, there are labor laws and there
are workers with brains. What your saying here is you need someone to hold
your hand, make your decisions, or you have no skills or knowledge to find
work down the road where the employer doesn't treat you like that. Besides,
any employer who treats their employees like that, usually is left with high
training fees, high turnover, uncompetitive situation and the market will
decide whether they stay in business, not you the union worker.

""" for just enough to feed us, and keep us relatively warm at night."""


Come on there Basskisser, union workers have their birthdays off with pay,
extra long weekends with pay, everything with pay, and their performance has
been reduced also with every collective agreement. Where else can someone
make 50,000.00 U.S. plus per year for a non education job, just working on
the line with no skills required should not allow you this type of
compensation. Some unionized workers with CAW or UAW make upwards towards
100,000.00 per year, and those may be the floor sweepers who have seniority.
No, this is wrong, the market should decide and look is what is happening
now with firms leaving daily. You greedy unions are to blame for the
migration of jobs and tax paying firms leaving for more friendlier
environments with more cooperative labor.



""" No safety equipment, so losing limbs would be common,"""

Come on there Basskisser, your really spinning now, why would you want to
work for an employer who doesn't care if you lose limbs on the job. Ya gotta
give your head a shake on that one. What do you think employers are? The
devil? LOL,,,,




""" and if you DO
lose one, don't look to the employer to cover medical costs."""


Your way out to lunch on this statement also basskisser, what happened to
you, did your employer also steal your wife? Wow, do you have an axe to
grind with the boss. Tell me, why would you work for someone who doesn't
care if you lose a limb, then doesn't pay the medical costs, then demands
your back on the job that afternoon. Come on there Basskisser, do you not
have a mind of your own? Can you make your own employment decisions? Or do
you just do what the leader says, leader of the union, local brotherhood,
follower.

No, unions are to blame for the western troubles today. With 500billion
trade deficit and climbing, because of the greedy union workers the U.S.
will see trouble ahead. I agree with Bush's allowing of the Mexican
immigrants to become legal and work for employers under the country's labor
laws. They will pay taxes, the employer will remain and continue to pay
taxes and provide jobs, hey the world is going to globalization, so the
option is there.
Besides, these workers are not poisoned and provide a better product for the
firm. Studies have been found to show that scrap or defects have been
reduced greatly once the process moves to a more friendlier environment. I
have seen it, I saw an auto supplier, who made windshields for the Auto
Industry, had a scrap rate of 6% of their windshields, they moved from a
union environment where union workers controlled the plant, and made very
unrealistic earnings, they moved down to Mexico, the scrap rate went to .03%
and provided so much more value, especially to those who invest in that firm
for a ROI. Yes, these people are making changes. So the Unions must go, they
are bringing us down. Especially in the education system, do you know that
the student who enters the university or college level now cannot read or
write properly. I see the Asian students coming here to learn, and doing
huge circles around our domestic students, and you can blame the teacher's
unions for that. It is actually embarrassing. So much so that the schools
have had to separate the international students (not only from Asia) and
they also have reduced the learning material to equalize the scores.
See what your unions have left us with?
Basskisser,,,,,,,LOL,,,,,,,,

Tuuk wrote:

Basskisser, your way out to lunch with those statements. Lets look at what
you said.




"
How do you make a Union man work?
Give him 50.00 and tell him to stand over there.




"""The benefits of unions must be too much for you to grasp, huh?"""


Benefit,,, to who ? The union worker

Damn...just when I was about to give Wally the cup for being the dumbest
poster in rec.boats, along comes Tuuk. His posts read as if he were
passed over for promotion by a clothesline.


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On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 08:01:04 +0000, Weathered Rose wrote:

Ah...wow, what great boating convo! You say Americans are greedy, well, sir,
unfortuantely Unions contrubute to the "Higher wadges, lower production" that
is creating a blight on the real working person's job. Not only have I seen
what the "fine unions have done" I've seen what they don't do. They
contribute to the demoralization of the working class by making people lazy in
their positions. I've worked with exunion guys that want it all handed to
them, and I'm sorry, I can't see what a bennfit you are to us.

Read the history of unions, then get back to me.

Here's a joke for you.

How do you make a Union man work?
Give him 50.00 and tell him to stand over there.

Slogan for the Electricians Union: "Many hands make light work"

(Of course, in Real Life, there would be the Electrician's Union person, the
Warehouse Union person (to provide the light bulb), the Driver-Helper's Union
(to hold the ladder), the Operators Union (to operate the switch), and so on...)

I went back to university for my Engineering degree so I wouldn't have to work
in an Union. You think unions are powerful in the US, try BC, Canada! I'll agree
with most of what you said and add this: Unions are responsible for the "Us and
Them" attitude in most workplaces that is largely responsible for low morale,
blame, animosity between workers and management, strikes/lockouts, unbelievably
complex and expensive contract negotiations, and so on.

I worked for 4 years in a non-union shop, and MAN what a difference! No
animosity between workers and management, no "you can't do that because it's not
your job", no arguing over who's "jurisdiction" some piece of equipment is, no
strikes/lockouts, and so on. You worked your hrs and got paid (WELL, I might
add!). Benefits were just as good as in the Union shop, but with more choice
(for instance, you could choose to contribute to the company retirement fund, or
run your own). And I think most important of all: you got REWARDED for "going
that extra mile", working overtime, getting that job done on time, etc.

Lloyd