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On Sat, 05 Feb 2005 00:18:42 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote: As long as she get's to go to the Islands, she's fine. :) ====================================== I hear you. The Bertram 33 started out as "her" boat also but I came to like it a lot. Originally I was looking for a 31 which is quite a bit lighter and faster. "She" wanted a "real" boat however. Getting to the islands is nice, and the fishing is darn good out there. Around Marthas Vineyard and Cutty Hunk there are places where the fish practically jump into your boat. |
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On Fri, 04 Feb 2005 20:11:12 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote: On Sat, 05 Feb 2005 00:18:42 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: As long as she get's to go to the Islands, she's fine. :) ====================================== I hear you. The Bertram 33 started out as "her" boat also but I came to like it a lot. Originally I was looking for a 31 which is quite a bit lighter and faster. "She" wanted a "real" boat however. Getting to the islands is nice, and the fishing is darn good out there. Around Marthas Vineyard and Cutty Hunk there are places where the fish practically jump into your boat. Tell me about it. :) Later, Tom |
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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... Thanks - I like it a lot. It's a compromise - my wife wanted something like a Grand Banks or Silverton. EEWWWWWW!!!! Now you've done it. Next thing you know, she'll be buying her own boat. Congrats on the new ride. Eisboch |
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After I looked at both the Parker and Defiance, I couldn't decide which to
buy, so I bought them both. I was also looking at the 260 compared to the 360, each had their own benefits and I really couldn't decide, so I bought them both. I got a good deal though, the single sales rep who called me at home every day until I made my decision, well he gave me $100.00 off the manufactures suggested retail price and the offer only stood until the end of that day so I had to act fast,, I did and saved a hundred bucks. My mamma didn't raise no fool,,, Nope,,, if she could only look at me now,, from her chair over there on the east/west coast of Florida,, ya, she be a big woman,, "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Fri, 4 Feb 2005 16:28:20 -0500, "NOYB" wrote: "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message news But the sheer amount of money it took to buy the 31 Fisharound - I *love* that boat, Tom. That one's on my wish list. I bought a 25' center console with forward cuddy. I like it because helm the helm is further aft than in the walkarounds, and I can fish a lot of people over the sides without a windshield in the way. However, it's not as versatile as the Fisharound. Thanks - I like it a lot. It's a compromise - my wife wanted something like a Grand Banks or Silverton. EEWWWWWW!!!! The cabin area is very nice too - surprising how much room it has. I always thought the forward cuddy was a great idea. Mako built one for a few years as did Boston Whaler, but Contender was about the only one who actually kept one in the line. Pursuit had one too. Yellowfin has a 34' and Marlago has a 35'. I think Scarab has one also. Just to get back to the topic in the header, I took a look at the 260 Defiance, and find it nothing like our Parker. The Defiance has a euro transom, is narrower, is ugly (Parkers are homely, not ugly), and resembles a camper inside. But it is an okay boat. |
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On Sat, 5 Feb 2005 07:10:30 -0500, "Eisboch"
wrote: "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message .. . Thanks - I like it a lot. It's a compromise - my wife wanted something like a Grand Banks or Silverton. EEWWWWWW!!!! Now you've done it. Next thing you know, she'll be buying her own boat. Not likely. Although she's has making noises about a new car. Congrats on the new ride. I'm looking forward to it. How's the weather down there? Catch anything off that Scout yet? Later, Tom |
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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... How's the weather down there? Catch anything off that Scout yet? Later, Tom For some reason the weather has not been as warm and sunny as my recollection of the last couple of winters down here. It's not really cold, but it seems everyday is mostly cloudy with temps in the 60's to low 70's with nights around 50 degrees or less. I know that sounds picky for those surviving the winter up north, but I like 80+ degrees with lots of sunshine. Of course, it *is* early February. Sad to say, I still have not used the Scout. I had it waxed and detailed, but it is still sitting in the rack storage with 5 hours on the engine. I've decided to put it up for sale because I don't really think I'll use it much down here. I've come to realize that we enjoy the comfort features of the bigger boats - comes with age I guess - and I still have the Boston Whaler Dauntless up there if I get the itch to bang around in a little boat. I am actually looking forward to heading north again and getting the Navigator and Mrs. E's GB in the water, so we may be leaving here late March or early April. Catch you later, Eisboch |
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Hey Smith.......
Your post was #35 in this thread. The first 34 were either discussing the merits of the boat, or similar boats, and were civilized boating related exchanges. That's almost a recent record for our sorry NG. Even Harry stayed on topic. You then wade in and want to make a personal issue out of things. Ever see one of these boats? Know a damn thing about their construction except what you're guesstimating? Why did you feel compelled to try and take a boating related thread into the crapper? Face it, the only discussions you are comfortable participating in are those where you are attacking somebody. That's the extent of your actual expertise. There are a number of specific benefits to the infusion method, properly done. There are some weaknesses in roller lamination when improperly done. I'd go through them with you but what would be the point? You don't give a schlitz about vacuum infusion vs. roller lamination. You merely seek a vehicle to make negative personal remarks. You're so insecure in your "knowledge" that you cannot compare or contrast your opinions with those of others without also disparaging the motives of the people holding opinions diverse from your own. When was the last time you started a boating related thread, or made a "positive" remark about anybody or any thing? ("I'm positive Gould is a socialist spammer, Krause is a lying windbag," etc, doesn't count). You lay about in the shadows, saying nothing until its time once again to feed your appetite for insult and mayhem. You then descend on your sticky little web, with all eight legs flaily wildly, and begin injecting poison into all you survey. Why not make a positive contribution for a change? Do you lack the ability, or merely the desire? |
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Speaking of the difference, I've often wondered if they use different
resins in vacuum molds. In the roller method, the epoxies are fairly stiff (usually due to the "induction" time in which the catalyst acts on the resin), but it would seem to me to achieve proper penetration of the glass in a vacuum system, the liquids would be fairly light. Yes/No? *************** I was invited to the 25th Anniversary celebration of a local manufacturer, Nordic Tug. They had a few hundred people in attendance, from all across the country, and almost all were Nordic Tug owners. Impressive turnout during one of our rare snowy days and in the middle of January, but it was like the gathering of an enthusiastic clan. I digress.... Nordic had a number of vessels on display in all stages of build and fitout. Nordic had set up a demonstration of vacuum bag, or infusion molding, in the laminate shop. We observed the molding of a cabin top. The gelcoated mold gets one layer of vinylester resin prior to the layup. This is to prevent "shrinkage" which could spoil the exterior appearance of the finished component. The glass mat and coring materials are then laid in place. For the cabintop, Nordic uses three different weights of mat in the layup and I would need to dig out my notes to be specific as to how many ounces each fabric is rated. Many of the superstructural components in a Nordic are cored, and a combination of serrated balsa as well as synthetic coring materials are used in the buildup. All coring material is designed to allow resin to flow throughout the layer, vastly reducing any liklihood of a future separation between the FRP and the core. There is a difference in the layup process when preparing for infusion molding. There are certain materials included that promote the flow of resin throughout the layup and the entire process is conducted with an emphasis upon assuring a maximum, thorough wet out. It isn't just the same layup one would use with roller laminating and then vaccum infused. Once the layup is completed, a plastic sheet (vacuum bag) is placed over the mold and some plastic tubed "plumbing" installed to remove the air from the bag and create a vacuum. When the vaccum has been estabished, the technician uses an electronic sensing device to check the perimeter and the central vacuum connections for any leaks. After the integrity of the vaccum is assured, the infusion begins. Nordic uses vinylester resin. The technician explained to us that a number of factors are considered when adding the catalyst to the resin, including ambient temperature, of course. The resin itself was heated to a controlled temperature, (about 70-degrees), and then the catalyst was added. It would be hard for me to compare the density of the infusion method resin with what the density might have been in a roller lamination- but I have no doubt that the mixture was calculated to be optimal for infusion molding. A valve was opened to allow the mixture to flow into the mold, and during the minutes required for the dark colored resin to spread throughout the mold the technician was constantly monitoring the flow and spread of the liquid. The greater atmospheric pressure outside the bag helped press and squeeze the resin into the mat. Nordic has been infusion molding cabin parts for some time now, and has become so confident in the process that beginning in March or April they will begin vacuum bagging their hulls as well. When you put a ten year hull warranty on a million dollar boat (some of the larger models are now well over the 7-figure mark), you want to be sure the technology is first rate. There are some potential advantages, in my opinion. For instance, the assurance of a "wet" layup. I suspect that in many of the traditional "hand laminate" processes there are gaps at lunch times, shift changes, etc where an underlying layer of glass is allowed to cure just a bit more than desirable before the next layer is applied....possible source for future delam. There is less opportunity for dirt, dust, etc to find its way into the laminate and that can additionally help reduce the liklihood of eventual blistering. The use of chopped strand to build up thickness is inconsistent with vacuum bag molding. Opinons from OZ not withstanding, there is no reason to assume that infusion molding will always be done poorly and traditional roller laminating always done well. I'd be happy with a well built boat constructed through either process. |
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