On 08 Jan 2004 17:49:24 GMT, (Gould 0738) wrote:

Chuck, wasn't their nuclear program in development during the Clinton
years? When you say, "...cut off the oil supply..." are you referring
to oil we were giving them or did we in fact place an embargo on North

Their nuke program was well developed during the administrations of Bush the
First and Clinton. It was shut down, in exchange for certain assurances from
the
US.

In 2001, we began accusing N. Korea of having a clandestine Nuclear Weapons
program. Not unlike the WMD accusations leveled against Iraq.

During the month of November, 2002, (just as winter was geting underway in
North Korea) Bush very publicly and with great fanfare (he made a speech about
it)
encouraged/permitted/influenced an organization acronymed as KEDO (it manages
energy resources for the Korean peninsula) to immediately cut off the shipment
of fuel oil into North Korea. Guess what? With an entire nation of freezing
people, the Koreans hopped back on the nuclear program big time. Of course,
Bush was then able to say, "See? We told you all along they were running
nuclear reactors that could be capable of enriching unranium! We've been proven
right!" Politics, as usual.

Didn't Korea come out and say they had a nuclear weapons program?

From the KEDO web site, " KEDO was created in 1995 to advance the
implementation of the Agreed Framework between the United States and
the Democratic People's Republic of Korea (DPRK), under which the DPRK
agreed to freeze and ultimately dismantle its existing nuclear
program."

It seems as though North Korea was the one who reneged.

John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

Chuck, wasn't their nuclear program in development during the Clinton
years? When you say, "...cut off the oil supply..." are you referring
to oil we were giving them or did we in fact place an embargo on North


(Gould 0738) wrote:
Their nuke program was well developed during the administrations of Bush the
First and Clinton. It was shut down, in exchange for certain assurances from
the US.

Sure, and from their point of view we owe them gazillions of dollars in aid money
that was promised.


In 2001, we began accusing N. Korea of having a clandestine Nuclear Weapons
program. Not unlike the WMD accusations leveled against Iraq.

IIRC that accusation was made earlier, too.



During the month of November, 2002, (just as winter was geting underway in
North Korea) Bush very publicly and with great fanfare (he made a speech about
it)
encouraged/permitted/influenced an organization acronymed as KEDO (it manages
energy resources for the Korean peninsula) to immediately cut off the shipment
of fuel oil into North Korea. Guess what? With an entire nation of freezing
people, the Koreans hopped back on the nuclear program big time. Of course,
Bush was then able to say, "See? We told you all along they were running
nuclear reactors that could be capable of enriching unranium! We've been proven
right!" Politics, as usual.

John H wrote:
Didn't Korea come out and say they had a nuclear weapons program?

Yes, they have said they have already enriched enough plutonium to make two or three
bombs, and hinted that they may be about to test a warhead.


From the KEDO web site, " KEDO was created in 1995 to advance the
implementation of the Agreed Framework between the United States and
the Democratic People's Republic of Korea (DPRK), under which the DPRK
agreed to freeze and ultimately dismantle its existing nuclear
program."

It seems as though North Korea was the one who reneged.

I would agree that it was the PRK who has done the dirtier of the dirty dealing
here, and not for the first time either. While IMHO Gould0738's imputation against
Bush is fairly accurate, we've been 'round and 'round with them many times including
a few cycles on the nuclear weapons issue.

However it is *definitely* and *positively* Clinton's fault! If you're not careful
here, Nobby and Wallie and Dave might throw you out of the club!

DSK

On Fri, 09 Jan 2004 11:57:30 -0500, DSK wrote:

Chuck, wasn't their nuclear program in development during the Clinton
years? When you say, "...cut off the oil supply..." are you referring
to oil we were giving them or did we in fact place an embargo on North


(Gould 0738) wrote:
Their nuke program was well developed during the administrations of Bush the
First and Clinton. It was shut down, in exchange for certain assurances from
the US.

Sure, and from their point of view we owe them gazillions of dollars in aid money
that was promised.


In 2001, we began accusing N. Korea of having a clandestine Nuclear Weapons
program. Not unlike the WMD accusations leveled against Iraq.

IIRC that accusation was made earlier, too.



During the month of November, 2002, (just as winter was geting underway in
North Korea) Bush very publicly and with great fanfare (he made a speech about
it)
encouraged/permitted/influenced an organization acronymed as KEDO (it manages
energy resources for the Korean peninsula) to immediately cut off the shipment
of fuel oil into North Korea. Guess what? With an entire nation of freezing
people, the Koreans hopped back on the nuclear program big time. Of course,
Bush was then able to say, "See? We told you all along they were running
nuclear reactors that could be capable of enriching unranium! We've been proven
right!" Politics, as usual.

John H wrote:
Didn't Korea come out and say they had a nuclear weapons program?

Yes, they have said they have already enriched enough plutonium to make two or three
bombs, and hinted that they may be about to test a warhead.


From the KEDO web site, " KEDO was created in 1995 to advance the
implementation of the Agreed Framework between the United States and
the Democratic People's Republic of Korea (DPRK), under which the DPRK
agreed to freeze and ultimately dismantle its existing nuclear
program."

It seems as though North Korea was the one who reneged.

I would agree that it was the PRK who has done the dirtier of the dirty dealing
here, and not for the first time either. While IMHO Gould0738's imputation against
Bush is fairly accurate, we've been 'round and 'round with them many times including
a few cycles on the nuclear weapons issue.

However it is *definitely* and *positively* Clinton's fault! If you're not careful
here, Nobby and Wallie and Dave might throw you out of the club!

DSK

Having spent a glorious year working in the Combined (US and Republic
of Korea) Forces Command analyzing the North Korean armed forces, I
would say that any president who trusted anything said by the North
Koreans was at fault.

John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!