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If former Vermont Governor Howard Dean were the Democratic
Party's candidate and George W. Bush were the Republican Party's candidate, who would you be more likely to vote for – Bush 59% Dean 37% So the D's have nobody and the same voting public that watches "Reality TV" and eats Twinkies and Big Macs is convinced that George Bush is a genius with dynamic leadership abilities. You needed a poll to tell you that? Headed for a bleak election, and a bleaker future for the nation I fear. It's a long way to November, but the D's are a long shot at best. Good news is, if you're in the top 1% you'll be better off with a Bush encore. If you're in the clueless remaining 58%, you won't notice anything's wrong until its far too late. There is not compelling reason the majority must be right, or even smart. The majority is, just simply, the majority. It tends to viewed as safe refuge by uncertain individuals who like to follow the biggest herd- regardless where it might be going. |
OT : Another poll to break Harry's (if he has one) heart
On Wed, 07 Jan 2004 06:26:48 +0000, WaIIy wrote:
CNN/USA Today/Gallup Poll http://snipurl.com/3owx Funny, but the Bush campaign doesn't seem as cocky about the election as you do Wally. http://www.newsday.com/news/politics...tics-headlines I'd also point out, Bush I had poll numbers very similar to these after the Gulf War. I seem to recall that he was defeated by a Governor from one of our smaller states. I would suggest gloating about a potential win may be somewhat premature. |
OT : Another poll to break Harry's (if he has one) heart
Gould 0738 wrote:
If former Vermont Governor Howard Dean were the Democratic Party's candidate and George W. Bush were the Republican Party's candidate, who would you be more likely to vote for – Bush 59% Dean 37% So the D's have nobody and the same voting public that watches "Reality TV" and eats Twinkies and Big Macs is convinced that George Bush is a genius with dynamic leadership abilities. You needed a poll to tell you that? Headed for a bleak election, and a bleaker future for the nation I fear. It's a long way to November, but the D's are a long shot at best. Well at least while you're faining being the underdog you are for once being accurate:-) Good news is, if you're in the top 1% you'll be better off with a Bush encore. If you're in the clueless remaining 58%, you won't notice anything's wrong until its far too late. Damn scary bananas these dems even **** can 58% of the voters??? Wakey wakey Chuck, they're your vote base also don't admonish them too much because they don't do as they're told:-) You socialists are still into forced control even though most of you fled to Brazil after WW11. Next you'll say they didn't vote for you because they're not pure bred enough??? Careful chuckles your true socialist colours are showing. There is not compelling reason the majority must be right, or even smart. The majority is, just simply, the majority. It tends to viewed as safe refuge by uncertain individuals who like to follow the biggest herd- regardless where it might be going. I guess I have to agree with this but it's an idea, notwithstanding the name of your own party!!! you lefties don't seem to have quite grasped yet, we call it d e m o c r a c y. The people can vote for whoever they want & for the good of the whole world hopefully they won't want dishonest thieving lefties. Chuckles have you seen the irony yet?? you a boat broker & Harry a flunky in the PR dept of a union rip off??? You blokes are a laugh a minute!!!! K I try to keep a little on topic material if possible so ..... Here's where this liar works, the lowest of the low, a spruiker for a union rip off, he works in the "PR" dept of a union, that about tells it all PR Contacts For media inquiries, please contact the individual listed below: Harry Krause ULLICO Inc. (202) 682-7957 Here's some of Harry's lies for you, just to bring back old memories:-) But if I may?? before you read; take a look at these passages from an article about the bent union rip off, who rip off other unionists, (honour among .......???) ULLICO Union Pension-Owned Company Set to Lose $20-$30 Million Its stock windfall from the bankrupt Global Crossing now gone, Georgine, former head of the AFL-CIO's Bldg. & Construction Trades Dept., blamed chief financial officer John Grelle for the losses. Days later, Grelle resigned in protest, blasting Georgine for not selling the company jet, which costs $3 million a year. N.B. Now did you see that!!!!!??? Harry as you'll see below "claims" his wife has a corporate jet!!!! He's making these stories up as the jealous junior mail person in the PR dept!!!! There was no indication if Grelle also called on Georgine and other union boss directors of Ullico to return the more than $6 million they made in inside deals of Ullico stock in 2000 and 2001. In the late 90s, Ullico was able to buy Global Crossing stock at its initial public offering (IPO) price. By 1999, a $7.6 million investment had mushroomed to $335 million. After pricing its own stock at a set $25 per share, Ullico directors changed the rules, setting a new price at the beginning of each year. So these rip offs were raking it in at the expense of the workers in many unions & I'll suggest that the fantasy boats that Harry claims are HIS OWN are in fact the play things of the execs of the insurance CO, I also suggest that's his only involvement is as the boat boy for his union bosses!!! Global Crossing spiraled toward bankruptcy, and Ullico's stock took a tumble, the Ullico directors who had bought their stock at $54 a share were given two opportunities to sell it back, the first time for $146 a share, the second time for $75. As Georgine and the other Ullico officials made $6.7 million in profits, the union pension funds that own Ullico could not take advantage of the same deal. And clearly they have a very well practiced liar in the PR dept mail room to help post out those bogus spin releases:-) [New York Times 3/28/03] Anyway back to the lies:-) Just to make your day, not only was I a civilian employee in SE Asia, it was in Vietnam, it was during the war against Vietnam, I did see some horrific sights and I was working at the time for a U.S. general. Is that straightforward enough for you, John, or is your amoeba still chasing your synapse I'm doing my part to ease unemployment. I'm hiring another writer for my staff. Will be putting the ad on MONSTER.COM and in the Wash Post. I need more staff because 2004 is a major election year and business booked to date indicates we'll be drowning in work. We need to hire a production coordinator, too. It has very little to do with the state of the economy, other than using it as reason to defeat Republicrap candidates. I'm doing my part to ease unemployment. I'm hiring another writer for my staff. Will be putting the ad on MONSTER.COM and in the Wash Post. We have first-class benefits, including a top-of-the-line health insurance plan, a non-contributory defined-benefit pension plan, a 401k, and a life insurance policy equal to annual salary. We contribute a share of profits to the 401k on behalf of the employee. Our employees pay $4.50 for generic prescriptions and $8.00 for non-generics, but that's going up next year to $10 and $15. New employees get two weeks vacation the first year, and that goes to three weeks the third year. In addition, we have 12 paid holidays and we shut down from noon on Christmas eve to the day after New Year's Day. We also provide 20 days of paid sick leave a year. And we have an outside company administering pre-tax flexible bennies for our employees. Our fringe benefit package follows the trade union model, except, of course, for the profit contributions to 401k's. Trade unions are not-for-profit enterprises. How do these compare to the bennies at your shop? Paid? Every year? I call "bull****". With 3 weeks vacation, 12 paid holidays, and 20 paid sick days that's 47 *paid* days off every year. Are they hourly employees? For a "small business", that's the road to bankruptcy. Boy...and you had me going there for a minute. Not quite so simple, though you are trying hard to make it so. Our business is up because we're on the cusp of an election year. Our business always goes up in a major election year. You could say we're going to be doing very well in 2004 because Bush is such a total failure. The 20 paid sick days aren't part of the "paid" days off unless those days are used. None of our people abuses sick leave. In fact, no one as yet has even come close to using 20 sick days in one year. They're there in case they're needed. Oh, I forgot. We also provide everyone with LTD. The company provides an insurance plan that pays 50% of an employe's salary for Long Term Disability. Employes have the option of purchasing an additional 16.66%, bringing their total to 66.66%. The basic benefit maximum is $4,000 per month. With the buy up, the limit is increased to $10,000 per month. Sure. I'm in the market for a new marine diesel of 420-480 shp. I'm especially interested in Volvo's TAMD74P EDC, because Volvo has had a lot of experience with electronic controls in that size diesel. I've dismissed getting a Cat 3208 TA because the technology is so old and because a couple of commercial fishermen I know who have had 3208's have, basically, burned them out. Thanks. Yes, Cummins is talked about favorably by some of the guys I've been talking to. Most of them have had experience with Cats, especially the 3208, and in recent years some have moved to Volvos. These are commercial fishermen, mostly, running hulls somewhat similar to what we're doing. No, the diesel is for a new boat we're having built. Hmmm. A fishing/day cruising boat with some range, nice speed, a real soft ride, offshore capabilities and sleeping/full head(with standup shower enclosure)/galley accommodations. Fiberglass, although the architect did try to convince me to go with cold-molded wood, which I do like. More specifically, I suppose, a lobsta' boat, sort of, if that brings up a mental image for you. She'll measure 36' sans a bowsprit x a little more than 12' in beam. The hull buttom is built down to the keel. There are no chines. The hull is efficient at displacement and planing speeds. According to the hull builder, if we keep the weight within certain limits, we'll achieve a WOT of about 37-38 mph, and a very easy cruise of 30-32 mph on a single diesel of about 420-450 hp. She'll cruise slow and economically, too. We expect a very smooooooooooth riding boat, able to take on a big headsea at a pretty good clip without beating up the folks inside. Fitting out a boat like this is going to be an interesting and stimulating experience. Basically, we get to spec everything and we end up with a custom boat It's Lou Codega. He's a widely known and respected naval architect. He does Regulator's hulls, too. He's done the Navigator 37. I believe he's also done designs for Carolina Classic. Cummins faxed me a bunch of computer generated data today on engine choices for the new boat. On the 36-footer, 16,000 pounds displacement: QSM11 635 hp, 36.3 mph WOT, 32.1 mph at sustained cruise, marine gear ratio of 1.77, turning a four blade 26x35 prop on a 2.50 inch Aquamet 22 shaft. Too much engine. QSM11 535 hp at 2300 rpm, 33.3 mph WOT, 29.5 mph at sustained cruise of 2100 rpm, same gear ratio, 24x34 prop. Right on the money. 6CTA8.3 450 hp, 30.6 mph WOT, 27.5 mph at sustained cruise, 2.00:1 gear ratio, 24x31 four blade prop on Aquamet 22 2" shaft. Cummins tells me its program is "about 8% too conservative." Looks like the QSM11 535 will be the right engine. Its fuel use is only a little more than the 450's and a lot less than the 635 hp engine. What I want is a 30 mph sustained cruise speed, and 535 hp will do it. Cummins also figured the boat at 1000 pounds heavier than our target, which is probably the smart thing to do. Besides, the QSM is a new, all computerized design. The hull form is what got to me. The boat has a substantial keel and it is a built-down keel, right to its bottom, not just "tacked" on. It backs down beautifully. And it seems to roll one heck of a lot less in a beam sea than the semi-vee 36 footers I've been on, and especially some large deep vee fishing boats of about the same size its been my pleasure to fish aboard. I believe it is a function of the keel and the really low center of gravity. Amazing, for a boat that is round bilged and fairly flat under the transom. No chines. Just splash rails forward and aft. A soft, soft ride...which is what I wanted. Here's just some of his prior lies (in his own words pasted); I sold off nearly $3,000,000 in new motors and boats, depressing the new boat industry in southern Connecticut for an entire season. Everything was sold...every cotter pin, every quart of oil, 30 days after I started. For near full-retail, too. He had just under $1,000,000 on floor plan with a syndicate of banks led by National Shawmut of Boston. He had been a solid customer of that back for more than 20 years and they gave him great rates. As far as your other complaints, well, almost every president in my memory, and I *remember* Truman, Eisenhower (who cheated on his wife), Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan and Bush, lied and participated in deceit to one degree or another, and on issues far more important than who was giving them blow jobs. Good lord. I met *every* president in the damned group except Bush, and I worked once for his father. My father used to pray that the north shore of LI Sound would be hit by a mild hurricane. No one injured, no on-shore property damaged, but lots of boats sunk. Preferably early in July. We had the Hatteras for two years. Last year, out of the cold clear, a broker approached me with an offer to buy. Our continued Florida lifestyle was somewhat up in the air, because the two breadwinners hereabouts were about to be offered long-term but temporary assignments they could not refuse in the Washington, D.C., area. So, after being romanced a little, we sold the Hatt for almost precisely what we paid for it. Not bad, after two full years of use. And I mean full years. So, we didn't "make" any money off the Hatt, but we didn't lose any, either. The proceeds were prudently invested. The PWC was won as a prize in a raffle. Never mind that. Why does he have a Bilgeliner in front of his office? Is it a display of "Boating Don'ts?" Yeah, when we were in the boat biz, my father always had one or two "around the back" that he was forced to take in trade. These were sold as "as is, where is." He made sure the engine would start and run. Beyond that, it was up to the prospective buyer to decide if he wanted it. They moved off the lot pretty quickly, partially because my dad's main store was on a highly trafficked commercial route with lots of manufacturing and machining and aerospace plants near by. In those days, workers at these places could fix anything. Actually, Dipper, I don't think my father ever saw a Bayliner. But he still called bumpers bumpers. -- Bayliner wined and dined my father a half dozen times to entice him into becoming its dealer. His operation was the largest small boat dealership in its area of New England, and for 30 years, he was the *exclusive* Evinrude dealer in a densely populated coastal county. He also hadled Mercuries. He never liked Bayliners, and referred to them as "jerry-built." From 1947 until he died, he sold more than 500 outboard motors a year from his stores, accounting for a reasonably high percentage of *all* outboards sold in his home state for those years. This is a killer. My father was in the boat business dating back to right after the Big War. When he died and I was looking through his warehouse, I found wrapped in a nuclear fall-out bag (no kidding), a brand-new 1949 Evinrude 8015 50 hp outboard. The motor was a gift to my father from Evinrude for winning some outboard stock utility or hydroplane race. I gave the motor to a friend of my dad's, who worked at the shop as head mechanic. I don't believe he ever used it and I'm sure it is still brand-new. I have no idea who might own it now. He also built boats, and I worked on a few, both wood, glass covered wood and all fiberglass. After he died, however, we sold the biz and I've just been an occasional boat owner. Besides, I worked off and on in the boat business and inherited it when he died. So, as I said, I'm knee-deep in boat heritage. Oh, and I had some friends who died in the service, too, but it wasn't for what they believed in. They were drafted, shipped to Vietnam and came back in body bags. During the war, he turned out experimental brass shell casings for the Army and hopped up outboards for the Navy, which wanted to use them on smaller landing craft. I had photos at one time of my father with Ole Evinrude himself. My mother knew one of Evinrude's wives...she was a minor movie star or singer...I forgot which. Maybe both. Have you ever sailed from San Francisco to Hawaii? I have. Have you ever rounded Cape Horn? I have, twice. Have you ever transited the Panama Canal? I have. Have you owned more than 20 boats in your lifetime? I have. Have you ever sailed large boats competitively? I have. Have you ever been hundreds of miles from land in a powerboat under your command? I have. My father and his chief mechanic once crossed the Atlantic in winter in a 22' boat powered by twin outboards. Yes, it is possible, even the fuel. Got a "fireboat" welcome in NYC. Here are some: Hatteras 43' sportfish Swan 41' racing/cruising sloop Morgan 33 O'Day 30 Cruisers, Inc., Mackinac 22 Century Coronado Bill Luders 16, as sweet a sailboat as ever caught a breeze. Century 19' wood lapstrake with side wheel steering Cruisers, Inc. 18' and 16' wood lapstrakes Wolverines. Molded plywood. Gorgeous. Several. 14,15,17 footers with various Evinrudes Lighting class sailboat Botved Coronet with twin 50 hp Evinrudes. Interesting boat. Aristocraft (a piece of junk...13', fast, held together with spit) Alcort Sunfish Ancarrow Marine Aquiflyer. 22' footer with two Caddy Crusaders. Guaranteed 60 mph. In the late 1950's. Skimmar brand skiff Arkansas Traveler fiberglass bowrider (I think it was a bowrider) Dyer Dhow Su-Mark round bilge runabout, fiberglass Penn Yan runabouts. Wood. Old Town wood and canvas canoe Old Town sailing canoe...different than above canoe Sometime in the early 1960s, I was driving back from Ft. Leonard Wood to Kansas City in a nice old MGA I owned at the time. About halfway home it started raining heavily, I turned on the wipers, and EVERY SINGLE electrical accessory and light in the car flashed on, there was a large popping sound and it all blew out at once. And the car caught fire. I pulled over to the side of the road, watched the fire, removed my license plate and hitched on home. For all I know, that old MGA is still there. Sure was a pretty little car. Puh-lease, Karen. You've not seen nor have I ever posted one example of my professional writings on building structure and the effects on it of hurricane-force winds and seismic activity. I haven't done any of these in at least 10 year, but at the time I was field researching, photographing and writing these reports, they were quite accurate, topical and well-received by their intended audiences. A small fleet of Polar skiffs were purchased by an inshore bait, tackle and boat rental business on the ICW in NE Florida. These boats were not used on open waters. Within 90 days, cracks developed in the liners that also served as the deck over the flotation in the bottom of the hulls. A guide I know, one whose boats and engines are supplied to him by manufacturers, also had a Polar skiff go bad on him for the same reasons -liner and then hull fractures. Harry has claimed to have a 20 yrs his junior beautiful wife, he even put a fake pic of a beautiful woman on a website once claiming it was his "young bride", he may have a wife, although I doubt it, we don't like nor tolerate misogynists for long. Needless to say he's made up many "dramatic" over the top stories over the years about this lie to feed his ego & pretend he's the centre of attention, but as with his boat claims & other crap, there's never once been even a shred of independently verifiable material. After he stalked Madcow in real life, which was most frightening, I do suspect he's very very dangerous & that this "bride" story is his delusional appropriation of his, probably court ordered, treating psychotherapist as "wife" (it seems he was under lock & key for what?? over a year??? a sexual deviant maybe??), have a read of just a small part of his BS & make up your own mind, it's all about free choice:-) 1. She *is* my bride. There are no rules that determine the end of "bride-hood." If I want to refer to her as my bride, I may. 2. As a professional writer, I know the rules of language and am entitled to break them in exercise of my license. 3. I doubt many married women would object to their husbands lovingly referring to them as brides. The connotations are pleasant. 4. She's 20 years younger than I am. Naw. What happened was that I handled a couple of "political" consulting jobs funded out of the DC area to help a few candidates and defeat a couple of ballot issues. Through no fault of mine, we won each of the races, so some of the deep pockets types based in the DC area think I actually *know something* about the process. I was offered a contract that requires my presence in DC quite frequently. My bride also was offered a job up here that represented a significant professional career move. So, we're "up here" much of the time and "down there" the rest of it, except when we're "somewhere else." I've been back to Jax (well, really south of Jax) five times since coming "up here" late last summer and my bride just returned from a business trip there. I swear this is true. Here's a funny. My bride had to fly out to San Diego Wednesday and hitched a ride on her company's corporate jet. They landed in Salina, Kansas, which is due north of Wichita and Skippy's suburb of Derby. So when she gets to San Diego, I get a call asking, "What the hell did you do in Kansas...we didn't fly over one significant patch of water...?" Harry, you make over 500 posts a week to this group and you don't own a boat? And why are you so crabby? Maybe these two factors are related? One has to own something to use it? Hmmm. My bride drives off in her car every day, but she doesn't own it. I'm not crabby. You asked for advice I gave you some. I questioned your wanting to take a very small boat out into high seas and suddenly you turned sour. It's your pot; you are the one stewing in it. No, it is the boat of a friend. It is a 24' ProLine center console with, if I recall, a 225 hp Merc on it. It was a dark and stormy day in January (1997) when we went out, but the sky cleared once we got out to the Gulf Stream. Bride and I caught and released: 1 white marlin 12-15 yellowtail snappers, maybe two pounds each. Pretty, pretty fish. Assorted red snappers 1 amberjack 2 jack crevalle jacks 1 snook Nondescript sharks Did you spend a year as a line psychotherapist at a 650-bed state hospital for forensic patients? Did you spend a year as senior psychotherapist at a county facility for substance abusers? Did you spend two years as chief of therapy at a private, 200-bed facility for the mentally and emotionally ill, at which approximately half the patients were trying to beat drugs or alcohol? Are you currently chief of therapy for a for a multi-practitioner practice of some 825 patients, about a third of which are seeking help for substance abuse problems? Licensed psychotherapist Screening as to character and background for each degree earned On-going screening by faculty while in educational system Interviews and screenings for required years of internships, plus, at the same time, supervision by a licensed professional. Close professional and personal supervision by a licensed therapist for two years of employment before being allowed to apply for licensure Licensure background check, submission of recommendations by licensed practitioners Four hour written examination on state laws Five hour written examination on diagnosis, procedure and practice My wife went through this before becoming licensed. Her final internship was as a psychotherapist at a 600-bed high security state psychiatric hospital where, on a daily basis, she was exposed to more danger than your average soldier. My wife worked for a year as psychotherapist in a Florida 600-bed state mental institution for forensic patients. She saw and treated numerous sexual deviants who do a bit more than expose themselves. Such "treatment" is part of being in the mental health professions. You see, I'm a nautical psychotherapist, and for only $125 an hour, until their health insurance runs out, I help Bayliner owners overcome their feelings of boatable inadequacy. She is a licensed, practicing psychotherapist and often tells me I am the sanest person she sees each day. Which can be taken any way one likes. 1. I'm married to a psychotherapist. Live-in therapy, dontcha know? And much of Freud is passe. My ex-wife surpassed the anti-Christ at least a decade ago. They're not actually "free" moments. I go to boat dealers to round-up Bayliner owners who are trying to find one who will take their own version of flotsam and jetsam in on trade. 1. The address listed is not a home address. It is an office. 2. I have three phone numbers. The phone number listed is not one of mine. It has never been one of mine. The phone number *did* belong to an after-hours message recording hotline my wife maintained for her most mentally disturbed patients. Some of these troubled souls were court-ordered referrals. *Every* call to that phone number--every call--was recorded AND because of the nature of the line, my wife had the ability to alert the telephone company to trace the phone number of every incoming call to that line, *even* if the person making the call tried to block his number. Why, you might ask? Because when you are dealing with suicidal people, they'll liable to tell their therapist over the phone that they are planning to take their life. If the therapist believes the threat is real, she or he will want to dispatch emergency srvices and perhaps the police. In the years my wife has provided this pro bono service, she has never received a threatening or abusive call from a mentally ill patient or court-ordered referral. However, after the ranking Flaming Ass of this newsgroup posted the hotline number in this newsgroup, she received a number of abusive, foul-mouthed AND life-threatening calls. These were mostly directed at me but, of course, I never received them BECAUSE (duh!) the phone is not mine and I've never answered it. Naturally, my wife alerted the authorities, with whom she works closely because of her court-referred patients. The authorities are investigating the callers and have involved both the FBI *and* authorities in other states, including Florida, Georgia, California and Texas. Working with the telephone company, the authorities have been able to trace the origin of virtually every abusive call. And, of course, they have the tape recordings of the abusive messages. Several suspects have been identified. I really don't know what the outcome of all this will be. We haven't had an update in several weeks, nor are either of us here that interested in the sleazeballs that would make such calls. The phone number, of course, is "wired," so when the obnoxious calls came in from the idiot rec.boaters, the numbers were easy enough to trace. The local police handled a complaint, the local telco was involved and when it was discovered the point of origin was out of state, the FBI got involved. At least one of the idiots was caught and prosecuted. As far as I can tell, he has not posted here again |
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"thunder" wrote in message ... On Wed, 07 Jan 2004 06:26:48 +0000, WaIIy wrote: CNN/USA Today/Gallup Poll http://snipurl.com/3owx Funny, but the Bush campaign doesn't seem as cocky about the election as you do Wally. http://www.newsday.com/news/politics...0,3628988.stor y?coll=sns-ap-politics-headlines I'd also point out, Bush I had poll numbers very similar to these after the Gulf War. I seem to recall that he was defeated by a Governor from one of our smaller states. Bush 41 was vulnerable on the economy...the upturn had started, but much too late to win the election. Bush 43 has a rapidly growing economy. There aren't any issues where he's really weak. |
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On Wed, 07 Jan 2004 13:12:55 +0000, NOYB wrote:
Bush 41 was vulnerable on the economy...the upturn had started, but much too late to win the election. Bush 43 has a rapidly growing economy. There aren't any issues where he's really weak. Don't kid yourself. It will take a campaign to determine what the issues are. Potentially I can see Bush's credibility being an issue (those pesky WMDs have yet to appear), Iraq (the plan appears to be cut & run by July but if soldiers are still dying?), unforeseen events that may not show us to be safer under this President, and the economy (this spurt may not have legs). I also have this theory that has been developing since Nixon. I suspect voter apathy is not apathy at all, but a deep seated disgust with all things Washington. Since Nixon, the candidate that was, or at least portrayed himself to be, farther outside the beltway, has won. Dean appears to be tapping into this, and also appears stubborn enough not to moderate himself. If he continues, as he is doing now, I suspect Bush has a fight on his hands. |
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These polls show two things:
1. How incredibly effective this administaration has been at duping the American people about weapons of mass destruction, that cutting taxes and spending huge amounts of money on the military and other pork projects is going to improve the economy, that it really doesn't matter what we do to the environment as long as the rich get richer, that our standing in the world doesn't matter because we have the mightiest army, that civil rights aren't really important as long as they will only be taken from non-whites and a whole array of other important issues. 2. How incredibly ignorant the electorate really is about so many of these important issues. Really, the only reason a person should be voting for Fuhrer bush (yes, the deserter, or at least that's what they would have called me if I would have walked out of my uniform like he did in the late 1960's and 70's) these days is if you have a LOT of money (more than just millions) and want to keep it, or if you're just plain stupid. Capt. Jeff |
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"Gould 0738" wrote in message There is not compelling reason the majority must be right, or even smart. The majority is, just simply, the majority. It tends to viewed as safe refuge by uncertain individuals who like to follow the biggest herd- regardless where it might be going. Somebody please make a note of this for future reference. db |
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Well Capt.,
It certainly is evident that you are not fooled by these con artists. It must be the rest of us "incredibly ignorant electorate" of which you spoke. I'll certainly keep watching for your educational posts and philosophical comments. At least you didn't say *dumbasses*. "Messing In Boats" wrote in message ... These polls show two things: 1. How incredibly effective this administaration has been at duping the American people about weapons of mass destruction, that cutting taxes and spending huge amounts of money on the military and other pork projects is going to improve the economy, that it really doesn't matter what we do to the environment as long as the rich get richer, that our standing in the world doesn't matter because we have the mightiest army, that civil rights aren't really important as long as they will only be taken from non-whites and a whole array of other important issues. 2. How incredibly ignorant the electorate really is about so many of these important issues. Really, the only reason a person should be voting for Fuhrer bush (yes, the deserter, or at least that's what they would have called me if I would have walked out of my uniform like he did in the late 1960's and 70's) these days is if you have a LOT of money (more than just millions) and want to keep it, or if you're just plain stupid. Capt. Jeff |
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"jps" wrote in message ... In article , says... Dean...has an agenda and plan that likely fits with most American's concerns. Are you for real? Ignore the fact that Bush is polling nearly 20 percentage points higher than Dean, and look at the polls on the issues. I posted some of the polls on the issues about a month or so ago. The nation favors the Republican's plans on 80% (or more) of the issues. If you want to argue that the majority isn't always right (that was Gould's defense at the time I posted the numbers), fine. If you want to argue that Dean's agenda "fits most with American's concerns", then post some facts to back your assertion. |
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I remember another Bush riding high in 1991 after another war with
Iraq... even early-mid 1992 despite the soft economy looked like he was undefeatable. Remember him? What happened to him and his goofy sidekick? WaIIy wrote: CNN/USA Today/Gallup Poll http://snipurl.com/3owx If former Vermont Governor Howard Dean were the Democratic Party's candidate and George W. Bush were the Republican Party's candidate, who would you be more likely to vote for – Bush 59% Dean 37% Results are based on telephone interviews with 1,029-National Adults, aged 18+, conducted January 2-5, 2004. ...one can say with 95% confidence that the margin of sampling error is ±3 percentage points. --------- Even worse (if that's possible), Bush beats an generic Demo, 55% to 38% !!!! Generic candidates are idealized candidates, and the Demos STILL get stomped! Bush's overall approval = 60% Bush approval on: situation with Iraq 65% foreign affairs 58% taxes 57% education 56% economy 54% healthcare 43% |
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"Decal Pest" wrote in message ... I remember another Bush riding high in 1991 after another war with Iraq... even early-mid 1992 despite the soft economy looked like he was undefeatable. Remember him? Yeah, I remember. However, it looks like *you* have the memory problem. Bush 41's approval rating was only at 50% (and dropping) by the end of 1991. By April 2002, he was at 39%. By contrast, Bush 43's approval rating at the end of his third year was 63%...and climbing. Every President (besides Jimmy Carter) with an approval rating *over* 50% by the end of his third year, has won the election the following year. http://tinyurl.com/33ybu History of approval ratings on Bush's side for re-election By Richard Benedetto, USA TODAY WASHINGTON — President Bush is ending his third year in office with 63% job approval, the highest rating of any president since Lyndon Johnson, who finished 1963 with a 74% rating a month after John F. Kennedy's assassination. Johnson went on to win the 1964 election 10 months later in a landslide over Republican Barry Goldwater. With the exception of Jimmy Carter, every president since Franklin Roosevelt who ended his third year in office with job approval above 50% won the re-election he sought. Presidential job-approval polling began with Roosevelt. Richard Nixon, who was at 50% at the end of his third year, also won. Carter was at 54% when the year ended. Polling analysts and presidential scholars agree that it is too early to consider Bush a sure winner next year, despite his showing now. Things can change: •Bush's father was at 50% approval at the end of 1991, and he lost to Bill Clinton. A sour economy and a perception that he was at a loss to fix it helped do him in. •Jimmy Carter ended 1979 with 54% approval and was defeated by Ronald Reagan in 1980. Carter's response to the Iranian hostage crisis, which was seen as weak, and a Democratic primary challenge by Sen. Edward Kennedy eroded confidence in his leadership. Bush is benefiting from recent positive signs on the economy and rising confidence in his management of the Iraq war since the capture of Saddam Hussein. "He's had pretty good news for about a month now in the two major areas the election will be contested over, the economy and Iraq," says Stephen Hess, a presidential scholar at the Brookings Institution, a think tank in Washington. The turn of events has also highlighted the split among the nine Democratic presidential candidates as they adjust their messages for the new conditions. The candidates have broadened their criticisms of Bush from his handling of the economy and Iraq to include his leadership on the environment, health care, homeland security and civil liberties. Polls are useful, but it's too early to predict a winner, says Frank Newport, editor in chief of the Gallup Poll. Bush's approval in March or April will be a more reliable clue to his staying power, Newport says. He points out that every incumbent president since Roosevelt who was at 50% approval or higher in April of his election year went on to win. "If Bush is still above 50% in April, a defeat in November would be unprecedented," Newport says. The last two presidents who lost their bids for re-election, Carter and the elder Bush, were both at 39% approval in April of the election year. In March 1968, Johnson's job approval was 36%, due largely to growing objections to the Vietnam War. He quit the race. In March 1952, Harry Truman's approval had been dragged to 25% by the Korean War. Truman won a full term after serving a partial one following Roosevelt's death, but ended his 1952 re-election campaign after losing the New Hampshire primary. Although history appears to be on Bush's side, his political advisers profess a reluctance to seem overconfident. Campaign aides and Republican Party officials say they are mapping plans to run as if the president is behind. Campaign strategist Matthew Dowd, a pollster, expects Bush's approval to ebb and flow but stay within the 50%-55% range until Democrats pick a nominee. Gallup's Newport notes that Bush's approval had been falling since a 2003 high of 71% in mid-April, when it appeared the Iraq war was ending easily. He hit a low of 50% in November. But Bush's recent turn upward can only be read as positive, Newport says. "You want to be tracking upward, the higher the better," he says. "The only concern he might have is peaking too early." |
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In article k.net,
says... "jps" wrote in message ... In article , says... Dean...has an agenda and plan that likely fits with most American's concerns. Are you for real? Ignore the fact that Bush is polling nearly 20 percentage points higher than Dean, and look at the polls on the issues. I posted some of the polls on the issues about a month or so ago. The nation favors the Republican's plans on 80% (or more) of the issues. If you want to argue that the majority isn't always right (that was Gould's defense at the time I posted the numbers), fine. If you want to argue that Dean's agenda "fits most with American's concerns", then post some facts to back your assertion. I'm for real and so is Dean. Wesley Clark also has a good chance of unseating Bush with straight talk. The republican's "plans" consist of lying straight-faced and then stealing behind our backs. Once Dean starts to expose the plain truth behind the Bush administration's actions over the last 3 years, folks ain't gonna like the republican plan so much. |
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On Wed, 07 Jan 2004 17:59:13 +0000, NOYB wrote:
I posted some of the polls on the issues about a month or so ago. The nation favors the Republican's plans on 80% (or more) of the issues. If you want to argue that the majority isn't always right (that was Gould's defense at the time I posted the numbers), fine. If you want to argue that Dean's agenda "fits most with American's concerns", then post some facts to back your assertion. Come on, NOYB, polls are a snapshot. They may be accurate, but they are a snapshot and the election is almost a year away. This country is still pretty evenly split between Dem/Rep. Conventional wisdom states that the battle is won in the middle ground. In this case, I don't buy it. I see a deeply polarized and divisive election coming. |
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"NOYB" wrote in message hlink.net...
"thunder" wrote in message ... On Wed, 07 Jan 2004 06:26:48 +0000, WaIIy wrote: CNN/USA Today/Gallup Poll http://snipurl.com/3owx Funny, but the Bush campaign doesn't seem as cocky about the election as you do Wally. http://www.newsday.com/news/politics...0,3628988.stor y?coll=sns-ap-politics-headlines I'd also point out, Bush I had poll numbers very similar to these after the Gulf War. I seem to recall that he was defeated by a Governor from one of our smaller states. Bush 41 was vulnerable on the economy...the upturn had started, but much too late to win the election. Bush 43 has a rapidly growing economy. There aren't any issues where he's really weak. It's funny that you righties can say that out of one side of your mouth, but would NEVER admit that when republicans are in the White House, the economy typically sucks. |
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Wait until troop rotation in Iraq. How many of those Guardsmen still
have jobs @ home? How much fresh meat will Iraqi's have to play with once the combat veterans go home? It will be a bloody spring and summer, as it was a bloody autumn. American support for the VietNam war lasted until 1965/66, by 1967 it was nearly gone. By 1968 even tricky dick making up stuff about a rapid end to the war was enough to get him elected. Who thought this loser would ever be seen again after 1960? He was the Dan Quayle of the 1950's and 1960's! Campaigning as anti-war helped him. Despite North VietNam almost overrunning our "allies" in the Spring of 1972 offensive, tricky dick still pulled out the troops and bombed the North into the stone age to bring an end to a war within reach. He promised to end it 4 years prior but could not. Had he not done this the six months prior to election day 1972, he would have lost because he was elected on the promise of a resolution to an unpopular war. Iraq is an unpopular war. If it heats up, and I think it will, it will become more unpopular. Iraq will be Dubya's downfall, because it will not go away. It will continue to bankrupt the country and cost more American lives. There is no end in sight because Dubya and his cronies aren't capable of figuring out how to end this mess, so the war will continue to grind on pointlessly. For what? For who? Not for my benefit! Probably not for yours either! He's done... Time will prove me right! NOYB wrote: "Decal Pest" wrote in message ... I remember another Bush riding high in 1991 after another war with Iraq... even early-mid 1992 despite the soft economy looked like he was undefeatable. Remember him? Yeah, I remember. However, it looks like *you* have the memory problem. Bush 41's approval rating was only at 50% (and dropping) by the end of 1991. By April 2002, he was at 39%. By contrast, Bush 43's approval rating at the end of his third year was 63%...and climbing. Every President (besides Jimmy Carter) with an approval rating *over* 50% by the end of his third year, has won the election the following year. http://tinyurl.com/33ybu History of approval ratings on Bush's side for re-election By Richard Benedetto, USA TODAY WASHINGTON — President Bush is ending his third year in office with 63% job approval, the highest rating of any president since Lyndon Johnson, who finished 1963 with a 74% rating a month after John F. Kennedy's assassination. Johnson went on to win the 1964 election 10 months later in a landslide over Republican Barry Goldwater. With the exception of Jimmy Carter, every president since Franklin Roosevelt who ended his third year in office with job approval above 50% won the re-election he sought. Presidential job-approval polling began with Roosevelt. Richard Nixon, who was at 50% at the end of his third year, also won. Carter was at 54% when the year ended. Polling analysts and presidential scholars agree that it is too early to consider Bush a sure winner next year, despite his showing now. Things can change: •Bush's father was at 50% approval at the end of 1991, and he lost to Bill Clinton. A sour economy and a perception that he was at a loss to fix it helped do him in. •Jimmy Carter ended 1979 with 54% approval and was defeated by Ronald Reagan in 1980. Carter's response to the Iranian hostage crisis, which was seen as weak, and a Democratic primary challenge by Sen. Edward Kennedy eroded confidence in his leadership. Bush is benefiting from recent positive signs on the economy and rising confidence in his management of the Iraq war since the capture of Saddam Hussein. "He's had pretty good news for about a month now in the two major areas the election will be contested over, the economy and Iraq," says Stephen Hess, a presidential scholar at the Brookings Institution, a think tank in Washington. The turn of events has also highlighted the split among the nine Democratic presidential candidates as they adjust their messages for the new conditions. The candidates have broadened their criticisms of Bush from his handling of the economy and Iraq to include his leadership on the environment, health care, homeland security and civil liberties. Polls are useful, but it's too early to predict a winner, says Frank Newport, editor in chief of the Gallup Poll. Bush's approval in March or April will be a more reliable clue to his staying power, Newport says. He points out that every incumbent president since Roosevelt who was at 50% approval or higher in April of his election year went on to win. "If Bush is still above 50% in April, a defeat in November would be unprecedented," Newport says. The last two presidents who lost their bids for re-election, Carter and the elder Bush, were both at 39% approval in April of the election year. In March 1968, Johnson's job approval was 36%, due largely to growing objections to the Vietnam War. He quit the race. In March 1952, Harry Truman's approval had been dragged to 25% by the Korean War. Truman won a full term after serving a partial one following Roosevelt's death, but ended his 1952 re-election campaign after losing the New Hampshire primary. Although history appears to be on Bush's side, his political advisers profess a reluctance to seem overconfident. Campaign aides and Republican Party officials say they are mapping plans to run as if the president is behind. Campaign strategist Matthew Dowd, a pollster, expects Bush's approval to ebb and flow but stay within the 50%-55% range until Democrats pick a nominee. Gallup's Newport notes that Bush's approval had been falling since a 2003 high of 71% in mid-April, when it appeared the Iraq war was ending easily. He hit a low of 50% in November. But Bush's recent turn upward can only be read as positive, Newport says. "You want to be tracking upward, the higher the better," he says. "The only concern he might have is peaking too early." |
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"Gould 0738" wrote in message
... Headed for a bleak election, and a bleaker future for the nation I fear. It's a long way to November, but the D's are a long shot at best. Am I the only one who remembers a TV show called "Max Headroom", and finds all this rather spooky??? |
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Great. She's gotten herself another packet and a nice clean syringe, and
she's back. What's a socialist, you mouldy sack of crap? How is it possible that the word fits into virtually every single message you post? |
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"Døn ßailey" wrote in message
... "Gould 0738" wrote in message There is not compelling reason the majority must be right, or even smart. The majority is, just simply, the majority. It tends to viewed as safe refuge by uncertain individuals who like to follow the biggest herd- regardless where it might be going. Somebody please make a note of this for future reference. db Should we submit it to Bill Cosby, in case he resurrects "Kids Say the Darndest Things"??? |
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"jps" wrote in message
... Dean has that straight-talk gene that so many people admire in Bush, but has an agenda and plan that likely fits with most American's concerns. Not to mention the "able to talk" gene. |
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"Decal Pest" wrote in message ... I remember another Bush riding high in 1991 after another war with Iraq... even early-mid 1992 despite the soft economy looked like he was undefeatable. Remember him? What happened to him and his goofy sidekick? Clinton was a young smart candidate with all the answers who appeared to have done his homework and then some. He made Bush look bad in the debates. Oh ya, the big 3 networks didn't like 41 either. You got nothing like that now. Unless Edwards pulls something spectacular. I doubt it. db |
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On Tue, 6 Jan 2004 23:57:14 -0800, jps wrote:
In article , says... CNN/USA Today/Gallup Poll http://snipurl.com/3owx If former Vermont Governor Howard Dean were the Democratic Party's candidate and George W. Bush were the Republican Party's candidate, who would you be more likely to vote for ? Bush 59% Dean 37% BFD, as we all know the American public doesn't know Dean yet. It's like all the reports that Bush has outraised each of the Democrats by multiple factors. They seem to forget that money is being spread around to all the Dems and no one person is yet representative of the Democratic candidate. None of this matters and it won't for several more months. Once a candidate is chosen and Bush's record questioned against a Dem plan, we'll know a hell of a lot more. I don't believe Jesus has actually had a conversation with Pat Robertson, at least not about the outcome of the election. jps If those who are going to vote for Dean don't know him yet (that portion of the American public to which you refer), then I sure hope Dean doesn't use any big words to woo them away from "The Simpsons" long enough to get to the polls and vote. John H On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay! |
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John H wrote:
If those who are going to vote for Dean don't know him yet (that portion of the American public to which you refer), then I sure hope Dean doesn't use any big words to woo them away from "The Simpsons" long enough to get to the polls and vote. It's statements like this that almost convince me that maybe you *do* belong with Nobby and Wallie and the other retardo-fascists infesting this newsgroup. DSK |
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thunder wrote:
On Wed, 07 Jan 2004 06:26:48 +0000, WaIIy wrote: CNN/USA Today/Gallup Poll http://snipurl.com/3owx Funny, but the Bush campaign doesn't seem as cocky about the election as you do Wally. http://www.newsday.com/news/politics...tics-headlines I'd also point out, Bush I had poll numbers very similar to these after the Gulf War. I seem to recall that he was defeated by a Governor from one of our smaller states. I would suggest gloating about a potential win may be somewhat premature. I'm not quite sure why the original poster here thinks the poll would have any impact on me. Hardly anyone in the country has any real idea about Howard Dean or any of the rest of potential Democratric nominees at this point. Hell, I know next to nothing about Dean myself, and I'm a party activist. At this point, it doesn't matter to me which of the frontrunners gets the Democratic nod. All of them are smarter than Bush and would make a better President of the United States. Bush can be beaten. What it will take is for the Democratic party to unite and pound Bush every single day on every single issue, and separately float out pragmatic Democratic alternatives to the Bush policies of pay-offs to the rich and right. There is no end to the list of areas in which Bush has failed, and failed miserably. We have an opportunity to send Dumbfoch Bush back to Texas next January for his retirement. It's up to us to make sure that happens. -- Email sent to is never read. |
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On Wed, 07 Jan 2004 17:00:19 -0500, DSK wrote:
John H wrote: If those who are going to vote for Dean don't know him yet (that portion of the American public to which you refer), then I sure hope Dean doesn't use any big words to woo them away from "The Simpsons" long enough to get to the polls and vote. It's statements like this that almost convince me that maybe you *do* belong with Nobby and Wallie and the other retardo-fascists infesting this newsgroup. DSK May I refer you to jps remark? He's the one who said, "BFD, as we all know the American public doesn't know Dean yet." If this is true, then the proposed Dean electorate has absented themselves from any sort of news for several months. How then does my comment convince you of anything, especially to the point of name-calling? What did you find so offensive? John H On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay! |
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John H wrote:
On Tue, 6 Jan 2004 23:57:14 -0800, jps wrote: In article , says... CNN/USA Today/Gallup Poll http://snipurl.com/3owx If former Vermont Governor Howard Dean were the Democratic Party's candidate and George W. Bush were the Republican Party's candidate, who would you be more likely to vote for ? Bush 59% Dean 37% BFD, as we all know the American public doesn't know Dean yet. It's like all the reports that Bush has outraised each of the Democrats by multiple factors. They seem to forget that money is being spread around to all the Dems and no one person is yet representative of the Democratic candidate. None of this matters and it won't for several more months. Once a candidate is chosen and Bush's record questioned against a Dem plan, we'll know a hell of a lot more. I don't believe Jesus has actually had a conversation with Pat Robertson, at least not about the outcome of the election. jps If those who are going to vote for Dean don't know him yet (that portion of the American public to which you refer), then I sure hope Dean doesn't use any big words to woo them away from "The Simpsons" long enough to get to the polls and vote. John H Really? I don't know much about Dean yet, nor have I met him. I don't know that he is going to be the Democratic nominee. If he is, however, I expect a very, very interesting campaign that will have Dubya Dumfoch playing hardball defense. -- Email sent to is never read. |
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Doug Kanter wrote:
Great. She's gotten herself another packet and a nice clean syringe, and she's back. What's a socialist, you mouldy sack of crap? How is it possible that the word fits into virtually every single message you post? Clean syringe? You've seen the photo of its boat? It doesn't use a clean syringe. -- Email sent to is never read. |
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DSK wrote:
John H wrote: May I refer you to jps remark? He's the one who said, "BFD, as we all know the American public doesn't know Dean yet." If this is true, then the proposed Dean electorate has absented themselves from any sort of news for several months. Actually, most of what I have heard about Dean has been the right wing smear campaign against him, parrotted here in this newsgroup. How then does my comment convince you of anything, especially to the point of name-calling? Did I call you names, other than to associate you with Nobby & Wallie? Is that so offensive to you? It would me. What did you find so offensive? Actually, none of the 'discussion' here has the power to offend me. It just seemed slightly out of character for you to indulge in the same kind of mindless mudslinging. DSK That's his stock in trade, actually. -- Email sent to is never read. |
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John H wrote:
May I refer you to jps remark? He's the one who said, "BFD, as we all know the American public doesn't know Dean yet." If this is true, then the proposed Dean electorate has absented themselves from any sort of news for several months. Actually, most of what I have heard about Dean has been the right wing smear campaign against him, parrotted here in this newsgroup. How then does my comment convince you of anything, especially to the point of name-calling? Did I call you names, other than to associate you with Nobby & Wallie? Is that so offensive to you? What did you find so offensive? Actually, none of the 'discussion' here has the power to offend me. It just seemed slightly out of character for you to indulge in the same kind of mindless mudslinging. DSK |
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Then I guess I would have to count you in that "incredibly ignorant
electorate," then, just as all the Germans were counted back in the late 30"s and early 40's. I find it fascinating how many of your ilk would believe that me and my friends should be incarcerated in some kind of camp, maybe a concentration one, because of our contrary views. And yes, I really hold a USCG master's license, 50 ton, Great Lakes, but I don't think that gives me any special qualifications to comment on these OT issues. But the ability to read the news does. 6000 injured, 500 dead, and for what? And where were you and our chickenhawk president back in the days when you and he could have stood up for our country? They say he was stuffing cocaine up his nose during that period; how about you? I spit on both of you. Capt. jeff |
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First off, you have no friggin idea what my views are because I have never
aired them here and you couldn't be further from the facts. I reserve exercising my views at the ballot box. Secondly, I do take exception with those who can't have a civil debate on any subject without calling names or making threats with any one that raises a little dust. All that really says is you've run out of ammunition. And third, most people who take the time to vote also take the time to make an informed decision. And by the way, just what is "your ilk" ? You couldn't possibly know what that was. And last, I have stood up for my country and in more ways than you will ever know and it wasn't stuffing cocaine up my nose. I don't even know what the stuff looks like. Do you ? "Messing In Boats" wrote in message ... Then I guess I would have to count you in that "incredibly ignorant electorate," then, just as all the Germans were counted back in the late 30"s and early 40's. I find it fascinating how many of your ilk would believe that me and my friends should be incarcerated in some kind of camp, maybe a concentration one, because of our contrary views. And yes, I really hold a USCG master's license, 50 ton, Great Lakes, but I don't think that gives me any special qualifications to comment on these OT issues. But the ability to read the news does. 6000 injured, 500 dead, and for what? And where were you and our chickenhawk president back in the days when you and he could have stood up for our country? They say he was stuffing cocaine up his nose during that period; how about you? I spit on both of you. Capt. jeff |
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On Wed, 07 Jan 2004 18:37:20 -0500, DSK wrote:
John H wrote: May I refer you to jps remark? He's the one who said, "BFD, as we all know the American public doesn't know Dean yet." If this is true, then the proposed Dean electorate has absented themselves from any sort of news for several months. Actually, most of what I have heard about Dean has been the right wing smear campaign against him, parrotted here in this newsgroup. How then does my comment convince you of anything, especially to the point of name-calling? Did I call you names, other than to associate you with Nobby & Wallie? Is that so offensive to you? What did you find so offensive? Actually, none of the 'discussion' here has the power to offend me. It just seemed slightly out of character for you to indulge in the same kind of mindless mudslinging. DSK I thought you had placed me in a category you referred to as "retardo-fascists" or words to that effect. Here, let me put your comment, which you snipped, back in: "...you *do* belong with Nobby and Wallie and the other retardo-fascists infesting this newsgroup." This newsgroup has had very little to say about Dean compared to the newspapers and television coverage he has received. He has been in several debates, all televised. Some have been televised repeatedly. Much of Howard Dean should be common knowledge to anyone who watches even a smattering of news or reads only the 'A' section of major newspapers. If most of your Dean news comes from this newsgroup, I suggest you go to some of the Media sites on the Internet. Try C-Span for a reshowing of the debates. John H On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay! |
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On Wed, 07 Jan 2004 18:37:20 -0500, DSK wrote:
John H wrote: May I refer you to jps remark? He's the one who said, "BFD, as we all know the American public doesn't know Dean yet." If this is true, then the proposed Dean electorate has absented themselves from any sort of news for several months. Actually, most of what I have heard about Dean has been the right wing smear campaign against him, parrotted here in this newsgroup. How then does my comment convince you of anything, especially to the point of name-calling? Did I call you names, other than to associate you with Nobby & Wallie? Is that so offensive to you? What did you find so offensive? Actually, none of the 'discussion' here has the power to offend me. It just seemed slightly out of character for you to indulge in the same kind of mindless mudslinging. DSK PS. What mud did I sling? John H On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay! |
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On Thu, 08 Jan 2004 00:14:50 GMT, WaIIy
wrote: On Wed, 07 Jan 2004 17:41:44 -0500, John H wrote: On Wed, 07 Jan 2004 17:00:19 -0500, DSK wrote: John H wrote: If those who are going to vote for Dean don't know him yet (that portion of the American public to which you refer), then I sure hope Dean doesn't use any big words to woo them away from "The Simpsons" long enough to get to the polls and vote. It's statements like this that almost convince me that maybe you *do* belong with Nobby and Wallie and the other retardo-fascists infesting this newsgroup. DSK May I refer you to jps remark? He's the one who said, "BFD, as we all know the American public doesn't know Dean yet." If this is true, then the proposed Dean electorate has absented themselves from any sort of news for several months. How then does my comment convince you of anything, especially to the point of name-calling? What did you find so offensive? I thought "retardo-fascist" was rather creative. You are correct, of course! It's as good as any names I've seen yet. Definitely put a grin on my face! John H On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay! |
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Of course there has been no "left" wing smearing of President Bush in this
newsgroup. None, absolutely none, nada. Yeah right. You are correct, of course. However, the comparison is not as transparent as you imply. Bush's record of actions since taking office and the results are observable. "Bush has done this, has done that, and the results have been, etc." It's routine for the incumbent to campaign against a challenger with far more outrageous claims and accusations, since none can be proven or disproven. "If Dean gets into office, he'll pressure Congress to legalize gay marriage in all 50 states! If Dean gets into office, we'll have abortion on demand for twelve-year-olds without parental notice or consent! If Dean gets into office he'll tax Grandma right out of her mobile home!......etc" Onward and upward. Should be an interesting election year that is for sure. This election year will open wounds in America that will never heal. There is too much money to be made stirring up hatred and distrust between people who *should* be able to disagree in a civil manner. Buy options on anger, slander, character assassination and bald faced lies. Stock in all will be skyrocketing soon. |
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Messing In Boats wrote:
These polls show two things: 1. How incredibly effective this administaration has been at duping the American people about weapons of mass destruction, that cutting taxes and spending huge amounts of money on the military and other pork projects is going to improve the economy, that it really doesn't matter what we do to the environment as long as the rich get richer, that our standing in the world doesn't matter because we have the mightiest army, that civil rights aren't really important as long as they will only be taken from non-whites and a whole array of other important issues. 2. How incredibly ignorant the electorate really is about so many of these important issues. Really, the only reason a person should be voting for Fuhrer bush (yes, the deserter, or at least that's what they would have called me if I would have walked out of my uniform like he did in the late 1960's and 70's) these days is if you have a LOT of money (more than just millions) and want to keep it, or if you're just plain stupid. Capt. Jeff And another dumbo follows the chucksters lead & say the voters are to blame !!!! A hoot a real hoot. K I try to keep a little on topic material if possible so ..... Here's where this liar works, the lowest of the low, a spruiker for a union rip off, he works in the "PR" dept of a union, that about tells it all PR Contacts For media inquiries, please contact the individual listed below: Harry Krause ULLICO Inc. (202) 682-7957 Here's some of Harry's lies for you, just to bring back old memories:-) But if I may?? before you read; take a look at these passages from an article about the bent union rip off, who rip off other unionists, (honour among .......???) ULLICO Union Pension-Owned Company Set to Lose $20-$30 Million Its stock windfall from the bankrupt Global Crossing now gone, Georgine, former head of the AFL-CIO's Bldg. & Construction Trades Dept., blamed chief financial officer John Grelle for the losses. Days later, Grelle resigned in protest, blasting Georgine for not selling the company jet, which costs $3 million a year. N.B. Now did you see that!!!!!??? Harry as you'll see below "claims" his wife has a corporate jet!!!! He's making these stories up as the jealous junior mail person in the PR dept!!!! There was no indication if Grelle also called on Georgine and other union boss directors of Ullico to return the more than $6 million they made in inside deals of Ullico stock in 2000 and 2001. In the late 90s, Ullico was able to buy Global Crossing stock at its initial public offering (IPO) price. By 1999, a $7.6 million investment had mushroomed to $335 million. After pricing its own stock at a set $25 per share, Ullico directors changed the rules, setting a new price at the beginning of each year. So these rip offs were raking it in at the expense of the workers in many unions & I'll suggest that the fantasy boats that Harry claims are HIS OWN are in fact the play things of the execs of the insurance CO, I also suggest that's his only involvement is as the boat boy for his union bosses!!! Global Crossing spiraled toward bankruptcy, and Ullico's stock took a tumble, the Ullico directors who had bought their stock at $54 a share were given two opportunities to sell it back, the first time for $146 a share, the second time for $75. As Georgine and the other Ullico officials made $6.7 million in profits, the union pension funds that own Ullico could not take advantage of the same deal. And clearly they have a very well practiced liar in the PR dept mail room to help post out those bogus spin releases:-) [New York Times 3/28/03] Anyway back to the lies:-) Just to make your day, not only was I a civilian employee in SE Asia, it was in Vietnam, it was during the war against Vietnam, I did see some horrific sights and I was working at the time for a U.S. general. Is that straightforward enough for you, John, or is your amoeba still chasing your synapse I'm doing my part to ease unemployment. I'm hiring another writer for my staff. Will be putting the ad on MONSTER.COM and in the Wash Post. I need more staff because 2004 is a major election year and business booked to date indicates we'll be drowning in work. We need to hire a production coordinator, too. It has very little to do with the state of the economy, other than using it as reason to defeat Republicrap candidates. I'm doing my part to ease unemployment. I'm hiring another writer for my staff. Will be putting the ad on MONSTER.COM and in the Wash Post. We have first-class benefits, including a top-of-the-line health insurance plan, a non-contributory defined-benefit pension plan, a 401k, and a life insurance policy equal to annual salary. We contribute a share of profits to the 401k on behalf of the employee. Our employees pay $4.50 for generic prescriptions and $8.00 for non-generics, but that's going up next year to $10 and $15. New employees get two weeks vacation the first year, and that goes to three weeks the third year. In addition, we have 12 paid holidays and we shut down from noon on Christmas eve to the day after New Year's Day. We also provide 20 days of paid sick leave a year. And we have an outside company administering pre-tax flexible bennies for our employees. Our fringe benefit package follows the trade union model, except, of course, for the profit contributions to 401k's. Trade unions are not-for-profit enterprises. How do these compare to the bennies at your shop? Paid? Every year? I call "bull****". With 3 weeks vacation, 12 paid holidays, and 20 paid sick days that's 47 *paid* days off every year. Are they hourly employees? For a "small business", that's the road to bankruptcy. Boy...and you had me going there for a minute. Not quite so simple, though you are trying hard to make it so. Our business is up because we're on the cusp of an election year. Our business always goes up in a major election year. You could say we're going to be doing very well in 2004 because Bush is such a total failure. The 20 paid sick days aren't part of the "paid" days off unless those days are used. None of our people abuses sick leave. In fact, no one as yet has even come close to using 20 sick days in one year. They're there in case they're needed. Oh, I forgot. We also provide everyone with LTD. The company provides an insurance plan that pays 50% of an employe's salary for Long Term Disability. Employes have the option of purchasing an additional 16.66%, bringing their total to 66.66%. The basic benefit maximum is $4,000 per month. With the buy up, the limit is increased to $10,000 per month. Sure. I'm in the market for a new marine diesel of 420-480 shp. I'm especially interested in Volvo's TAMD74P EDC, because Volvo has had a lot of experience with electronic controls in that size diesel. I've dismissed getting a Cat 3208 TA because the technology is so old and because a couple of commercial fishermen I know who have had 3208's have, basically, burned them out. Thanks. Yes, Cummins is talked about favorably by some of the guys I've been talking to. Most of them have had experience with Cats, especially the 3208, and in recent years some have moved to Volvos. These are commercial fishermen, mostly, running hulls somewhat similar to what we're doing. No, the diesel is for a new boat we're having built. Hmmm. A fishing/day cruising boat with some range, nice speed, a real soft ride, offshore capabilities and sleeping/full head(with standup shower enclosure)/galley accommodations. Fiberglass, although the architect did try to convince me to go with cold-molded wood, which I do like. More specifically, I suppose, a lobsta' boat, sort of, if that brings up a mental image for you. She'll measure 36' sans a bowsprit x a little more than 12' in beam. The hull buttom is built down to the keel. There are no chines. The hull is efficient at displacement and planing speeds. According to the hull builder, if we keep the weight within certain limits, we'll achieve a WOT of about 37-38 mph, and a very easy cruise of 30-32 mph on a single diesel of about 420-450 hp. She'll cruise slow and economically, too. We expect a very smooooooooooth riding boat, able to take on a big headsea at a pretty good clip without beating up the folks inside. Fitting out a boat like this is going to be an interesting and stimulating experience. Basically, we get to spec everything and we end up with a custom boat It's Lou Codega. He's a widely known and respected naval architect. He does Regulator's hulls, too. He's done the Navigator 37. I believe he's also done designs for Carolina Classic. Cummins faxed me a bunch of computer generated data today on engine choices for the new boat. On the 36-footer, 16,000 pounds displacement: QSM11 635 hp, 36.3 mph WOT, 32.1 mph at sustained cruise, marine gear ratio of 1.77, turning a four blade 26x35 prop on a 2.50 inch Aquamet 22 shaft. Too much engine. QSM11 535 hp at 2300 rpm, 33.3 mph WOT, 29.5 mph at sustained cruise of 2100 rpm, same gear ratio, 24x34 prop. Right on the money. 6CTA8.3 450 hp, 30.6 mph WOT, 27.5 mph at sustained cruise, 2.00:1 gear ratio, 24x31 four blade prop on Aquamet 22 2" shaft. Cummins tells me its program is "about 8% too conservative." Looks like the QSM11 535 will be the right engine. Its fuel use is only a little more than the 450's and a lot less than the 635 hp engine. What I want is a 30 mph sustained cruise speed, and 535 hp will do it. Cummins also figured the boat at 1000 pounds heavier than our target, which is probably the smart thing to do. Besides, the QSM is a new, all computerized design. The hull form is what got to me. The boat has a substantial keel and it is a built-down keel, right to its bottom, not just "tacked" on. It backs down beautifully. And it seems to roll one heck of a lot less in a beam sea than the semi-vee 36 footers I've been on, and especially some large deep vee fishing boats of about the same size its been my pleasure to fish aboard. I believe it is a function of the keel and the really low center of gravity. Amazing, for a boat that is round bilged and fairly flat under the transom. No chines. Just splash rails forward and aft. A soft, soft ride...which is what I wanted. Here's just some of his prior lies (in his own words pasted); I sold off nearly $3,000,000 in new motors and boats, depressing the new boat industry in southern Connecticut for an entire season. Everything was sold...every cotter pin, every quart of oil, 30 days after I started. For near full-retail, too. He had just under $1,000,000 on floor plan with a syndicate of banks led by National Shawmut of Boston. He had been a solid customer of that back for more than 20 years and they gave him great rates. As far as your other complaints, well, almost every president in my memory, and I *remember* Truman, Eisenhower (who cheated on his wife), Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan and Bush, lied and participated in deceit to one degree or another, and on issues far more important than who was giving them blow jobs. Good lord. I met *every* president in the damned group except Bush, and I worked once for his father. My father used to pray that the north shore of LI Sound would be hit by a mild hurricane. No one injured, no on-shore property damaged, but lots of boats sunk. Preferably early in July. We had the Hatteras for two years. Last year, out of the cold clear, a broker approached me with an offer to buy. Our continued Florida lifestyle was somewhat up in the air, because the two breadwinners hereabouts were about to be offered long-term but temporary assignments they could not refuse in the Washington, D.C., area. So, after being romanced a little, we sold the Hatt for almost precisely what we paid for it. Not bad, after two full years of use. And I mean full years. So, we didn't "make" any money off the Hatt, but we didn't lose any, either. The proceeds were prudently invested. The PWC was won as a prize in a raffle. Never mind that. Why does he have a Bilgeliner in front of his office? Is it a display of "Boating Don'ts?" Yeah, when we were in the boat biz, my father always had one or two "around the back" that he was forced to take in trade. These were sold as "as is, where is." He made sure the engine would start and run. Beyond that, it was up to the prospective buyer to decide if he wanted it. They moved off the lot pretty quickly, partially because my dad's main store was on a highly trafficked commercial route with lots of manufacturing and machining and aerospace plants near by. In those days, workers at these places could fix anything. Actually, Dipper, I don't think my father ever saw a Bayliner. But he still called bumpers bumpers. -- Bayliner wined and dined my father a half dozen times to entice him into becoming its dealer. His operation was the largest small boat dealership in its area of New England, and for 30 years, he was the *exclusive* Evinrude dealer in a densely populated coastal county. He also handled Mercuries. He never liked Bayliners, and referred to them as "jerry-built." From 1947 until he died, he sold more than 500 outboard motors a year from his stores, accounting for a reasonably high percentage of *all* outboards sold in his home state for those years. Tis is a killer. My father was in the boat business dating back to right after the Big War. When he died and I was looking through his warehouse, I found wrapped in a nuclear fall-out bag (no kidding), a brand-new 1949 Evinrude 8015 50 hp outboard. The motor was a gift to my father from Evinrude for winning some outboard stock utility or hydroplane race. I gave the motor to a friend of my dad's, who worked at the shop as head mechanic. I don't believe he ever used it and I'm sure it is still brand-new. I have no idea who might own it now. He also built boats, and I worked on a few, both wood, glass covered wood and all fiberglass. After he died, however, we sold the biz and I've just been an occasional boat owner. Besides, I worked off and on in the boat business and inherited it when he died. So, as I said, I'm knee-deep in boat heritage. Oh, and I had some friends who died in the service, too, but it wasn't for what they believed in. They were drafted, shipped to Vietnam and came back in body bags. During the war, he turned out experimental brass shell casings for the Army and hopped up outboards for the Navy, which wanted to use them on smaller landing craft. I had photos at one time of my father with Ole Evinrude himself. My mother knew one of Evinrude's wives...she was a minor movie star or singer...I forgot which. Maybe both. Have you ever sailed from San Francisco to Hawaii? I have. Have you ever rounded Cape Horn? I have, twice. Have you ever transited the Panama Canal? I have. Have you owned more than 20 boats in your lifetime? I have. Have you ever sailed large boats competitively? I have. Have you ever been hundreds of miles from land in a powerboat under your command? I have. My father and his chief mechanic once crossed the Atlantic in winter in a 22' boat powered by twin outboards. Yes, it is possible, even the fuel. Got a "fireboat" welcome in NYC. Here are some: Hatteras 43' sportfish Swan 41' racing/cruising sloop Morgan 33 O'Day 30 Cruisers, Inc., Mackinac 22 Century Coronado Bill Luders 16, as sweet a sailboat as ever caught a breeze. Century 19' wood lapstrake with side wheel steering Cruisers, Inc. 18' and 16' wood lapstrakes Wolverines. Molded plywood. Gorgeous. Several. 14,15,17 footers with various Evinrudes Lighting class sailboat Botved Coronet with twin 50 hp Evinrudes. Interesting boat. Aristocraft (a piece of junk...13', fast, held together with spit) Alcort Sunfish Ancarrow Marine Aquiflyer. 22' footer with two Caddy Crusaders. Guaranteed 60 mph. In the late 1950's. Skimmar brand skiff Arkansas Traveler fiberglass bowrider (I think it was a bowrider) Dyer Dhow Su-Mark round bilge runabout, fiberglass Penn Yan runabouts. Wood. Old Town wood and canvas canoe Old Town sailing canoe...different than above canoe Sometime in the early 1960s, I was driving back from Ft. Leonard Wood to Kansas City in a nice old MGA I owned at the time. About halfway home it started raining heavily, I turned on the wipers, and EVERY SINGLE electrical accessory and light in the car flashed on, there was a large popping sound and it all blew out at once. And the car caught fire. I pulled over to the side of the road, watched the fire, removed my license plate and hitched on home. For all I know, that old MGA is still there. Sure was a pretty little car. Puh-lease, Karen. You've not seen nor have I ever posted one example of my professional writings on building structure and the effects on it of hurricane-force winds and seismic activity. I haven't done any of these in at least 10 year, but at the time I was field researching, photographing and writing these reports, they were quite accurate, topical and well-received by their intended audiences. A small fleet of Polar skiffs were purchased by an inshore bait, tackle and boat rental business on the ICW in NE Florida. These boats were not used on open waters. Within 90 days, cracks developed in the liners that also served as the deck over the flotation in the bottom of the hulls. A guide I know, one whose boats and engines are supplied to him by manufacturers, also had a Polar skiff go bad on him for the same reasons -liner and then hull fractures. Harry has claimed to have a 20 yrs his junior beautiful wife, he even put a fake pic of a beautiful woman on a website once claiming it was his "young bride", he may have a wife, although I doubt it, we don't like nor tolerate misogynists for long. Needless to say he's made up many "dramatic" over the top stories over the years about this lie to feed his ego & pretend he's the centre of attention, but as with his boat claims & other crap, there's never once been even a shred of independently verifiable material. After he stalked Madcow in real life, which was most frightening, I do suspect he's very very dangerous & that this "bride" story is his delusional appropriation of his, probably court ordered, treating psychotherapist as "wife" (it seems he was under lock & key for what?? over a year??? a sexual deviant maybe??), have a read of just a small part of his BS & make up your own mind, it's all about free choice:-) 1. She *is* my bride. There are no rules that determine the end of "bride-hood." If I want to refer to her as my bride, I may. 2. As a professional writer, I know the rules of language and am entitled to break them in exercise of my license. 3. I doubt many married women would object to their husbands lovingly referring to them as brides. The connotations are pleasant. 4. She's 20 years younger than I am. Naw. What happened was that I handled a couple of "political" consulting jobs funded out of the DC area to help a few candidates and defeat a couple of ballot issues. Through no fault of mine, we won each of the races, so some of the deep pockets types based in the DC area think I actually *know something* about the process. I was offered a contract that requires my presence in DC quite frequently. My bride also was offered a job up here that represented a significant professional career move. So, we're "up here" much of the time and "down there" the rest of it, except when we're "somewhere else." I've been back to Jax (well, really south of Jax) five times since coming "up here" late last summer and my bride just returned from a business trip there. I swear this is true. Here's a funny. My bride had to fly out to San Diego Wednesday and hitched a ride on her company's corporate jet. They landed in Salina, Kansas, which is due north of Wichita and Skippy's suburb of Derby. So when she gets to San Diego, I get a call asking, "What the hell did you do in Kansas...we didn't fly over one significant patch of water...?" Harry, you make over 500 posts a week to this group and you don't own a boat? And why are you so crabby? Maybe these two factors are related? One has to own something to use it? Hmmm. My bride drives off in her car every day, but she doesn't own it. I'm not crabby. You asked for advice I gave you some. I questioned your wanting to take a very small boat out into high seas and suddenly you turned sour. It's your pot; you are the one stewing in it. No, it is the boat of a friend. It is a 24' ProLine center console with, if I recall, a 225 hp Merc on it. It was a dark and stormy day in January (1997) when we went out, but the sky cleared once we got out to the Gulf Stream. Bride and I caught and released: 1 white marlin 12-15 yellowtail snappers, maybe two pounds each. Pretty, pretty fish. Assorted red snappers 1 amberjack 2 jack crevalle jacks 1 snook Nondescript sharks Did you spend a year as a line psychotherapist at a 650-bed state hospital for forensic patients? Did you spend a year as senior psychotherapist at a county facility for substance abusers? Did you spend two years as chief of therapy at a private, 200-bed facility for the mentally and emotionally ill, at which approximately half the patients were trying to beat drugs or alcohol? Are you currently chief of therapy for a for a multi-practitioner practice of some 825 patients, about a third of which are seeking help for substance abuse problems? Licensed psychotherapist Screening as to character and background for each degree earned On-going screening by faculty while in educational system Interviews and screenings for required years of internships, plus, at the same time, supervision by a licensed professional. Close professional and personal supervision by a licensed therapist for two years of employment before being allowed to apply for licensure Licensure background check, submission of recommendations by licensed practitioners Four hour written examination on state laws Five hour written examination on diagnosis, procedure and practice My wife went through this before becoming licensed. Her final internship was as a psychotherapist at a 600-bed high security state psychiatric hospital where, on a daily basis, she was exposed to more danger than your average soldier. My wife worked for a year as psychotherapist in a Florida 600-bed state mental institution for forensic patients. She saw and treated numerous sexual deviants who do a bit more than expose themselves. Such "treatment" is part of being in the mental health professions. You see, I'm a nautical psychotherapist, and for only $125 an hour, until their health insurance runs out, I help Bayliner owners overcome their feelings of boatable inadequacy. She is a licensed, practicing psychotherapist and often tells me I am the sanest person she sees each day. Which can be taken any way one likes. 1. I'm married to a psychotherapist. Live-in therapy, dontcha know? And much of Freud is passe. My ex-wife surpassed the anti-Christ at least a decade ago. They're not actually "free" moments. I go to boat dealers to round-up Bayliner owners who are trying to find one who will take their own version of flotsam and jetsam in on trade. 1. The address listed is not a home address. It is an office. 2. I have three phone numbers. The phone number listed is not one of mine. It has never been one of mine. The phone number *did* belong to an after-hours message recording hotline my wife maintained for her most mentally disturbed patients. Some of these troubled souls were court-ordered referrals. *Every* call to that phone number--every call--was recorded AND because of the nature of the line, my wife had the ability to alert the telephone company to trace the phone number of every incoming call to that line, *even* if the person making the call tried to block his number. Why, you might ask? Because when you are dealing with suicidal people, they'll liable to tell their therapist over the phone that they are planning to take their life. If the therapist believes the threat is real, she or he will want to dispatch emergency srvices and perhaps the police. In the years my wife has provided this pro bono service, she has never received a threatening or abusive call from a mentally ill patient or court-ordered referral. However, after the ranking Flaming Ass of this newsgroup posted the hotline number in this newsgroup, she received a number of abusive, foul-mouthed AND life-threatening calls. These were mostly directed at me but, of course, I never received them BECAUSE (duh!) the phone is not mine and I've never answered it. Naturally, my wife alerted the authorities, with whom she works closely because of her court-referred patients. The authorities are investigating the callers and have involved both the FBI *and* authorities in other states, including Florida, Georgia, California and Texas. Working with the telephone company, the authorities have been able to trace the origin of virtually every abusive call. And, of course, they have the tape recordings of the abusive messages. Several suspects have been identified. I really don't know what the outcome of all this will be. We haven't had an update in several weeks, nor are either of us here that interested in the sleazeballs that would make such calls. The phone number, of course, is "wired," so when the obnoxious calls came in from the idiot rec.boaters, the numbers were easy enough to trace. The local police handled a complaint, the local telco was involved and when it was discovered the point of origin was out of state, the FBI got involved. At least one of the idiots was caught and prosecuted. As far as I can tell, he has not posted here again |
OT : Another poll to break Harry's (if he has one) heart
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On Wed, 07 Jan 2004 22:44:42 +1100, K Smith wrote: Damn scary bananas these dems even **** can 58% of the voters??? Wakey wakey Chuck, they're your vote base also don't admonish them too much because they don't do as they're told:-) Since you are an Australian, what I can't figure is what you know about what happens here in the US or what you even care about it, unless this is just for the purpose of trolling. Last person I'd listen to about social and political standards or reform is a person bred from a colony of banished criminals. goawayplease Yep the left they have to silence the contrary view at every chance & as usual Harry adds a dash of racism:-) The loony lefdt have been seen by the US as the infighting rabble they are & no thinking person would entrust the safety of their family to them, never not ever!! K I try to keep a little on topic material if possible so ..... Here's where this liar works, the lowest of the low, a spruiker for a union rip off, he works in the "PR" dept of a union, that about tells it all PR Contacts For media inquiries, please contact the individual listed below: Harry Krause ULLICO Inc. (202) 682-7957 Here's some of Harry's lies for you, just to bring back old memories:-) But if I may?? before you read; take a look at these passages from an article about the bent union rip off, who rip off other unionists, (honour among .......???) ULLICO Union Pension-Owned Company Set to Lose $20-$30 Million Its stock windfall from the bankrupt Global Crossing now gone, Georgine, former head of the AFL-CIO's Bldg. & Construction Trades Dept., blamed chief financial officer John Grelle for the losses. Days later, Grelle resigned in protest, blasting Georgine for not selling the company jet, which costs $3 million a year. N.B. Now did you see that!!!!!??? Harry as you'll see below "claims" his wife has a corporate jet!!!! He's making these stories up as the jealous junior mail person in the PR dept!!!! There was no indication if Grelle also called on Georgine and other union boss directors of Ullico to return the more than $6 million they made in inside deals of Ullico stock in 2000 and 2001. In the late 90s, Ullico was able to buy Global Crossing stock at its initial public offering (IPO) price. By 1999, a $7.6 million investment had mushroomed to $335 million. After pricing its own stock at a set $25 per share, Ullico directors changed the rules, setting a new price at the beginning of each year. So these rip offs were raking it in at the expense of the workers in many unions & I'll suggest that the fantasy boats that Harry claims are HIS OWN are in fact the play things of the execs of the insurance CO, I also suggest that's his only involvement is as the boat boy for his union bosses!!! Global Crossing spiraled toward bankruptcy, and Ullico's stock took a tumble, the Ullico directors who had bought their stock at $54 a share were given two opportunities to sell it back, the first time for $146 a share, the second time for $75. As Georgine and the other Ullico officials made $6.7 million in profits, the union pension funds that own Ullico could not take advantage of the same deal. And clearly they have a very well practiced liar in the PR dept mail room to help post out those bogus spin releases:-) [New York Times 3/28/03] Anyway back to the lies:-) Just to make your day, not only was I a civilian employee in SE Asia, it was in Vietnam, it was during the war against Vietnam, I did see some horrific sights and I was working at the time for a U.S. general. Is that straightforward enough for you, John, or is your amoeba still chasing your synapse I'm doing my part to ease unemployment. I'm hiring another writer for my staff. Will be putting the ad on MONSTER.COM and in the Wash Post. I need more staff because 2004 is a major election year and business booked to date indicates we'll be drowning in work. We need to hire a production coordinator, too. It has very little to do with the state of the economy, other than using it as reason to defeat Republicrap candidates. I'm doing my part to ease unemployment. I'm hiring another writer for my staff. Will be putting the ad on MONSTER.COM and in the Wash Post. We have first-class benefits, including a top-of-the-line health insurance plan, a non-contributory defined-benefit pension plan, a 401k, and a life insurance policy equal to annual salary. We contribute a share of profits to the 401k on behalf of the employee. Our employees pay $4.50 for generic prescriptions and $8.00 for non-generics, but that's going up next year to $10 and $15. New employees get two weeks vacation the first year, and that goes to three weeks the third year. In addition, we have 12 paid holidays and we shut down from noon on Christmas eve to the day after New Year's Day. We also provide 20 days of paid sick leave a year. And we have an outside company administering pre-tax flexible bennies for our employees. Our fringe benefit package follows the trade union model, except, of course, for the profit contributions to 401k's. Trade unions are not-for-profit enterprises. How do these compare to the bennies at your shop? Paid? Every year? I call "bull****". With 3 weeks vacation, 12 paid holidays, and 20 paid sick days that's 47 *paid* days off every year. Are they hourly employees? For a "small business", that's the road to bankruptcy. Boy...and you had me going there for a minute. Not quite so simple, though you are trying hard to make it so. Our business is up because we're on the cusp of an election year. Our business always goes up in a major election year. You could say we're going to be doing very well in 2004 because Bush is such a total failure. The 20 paid sick days aren't part of the "paid" days off unless those days are used. None of our people abuses sick leave. In fact, no one as yet has even come close to using 20 sick days in one year. They're there in case they're needed. Oh, I forgot. We also provide everyone with LTD. The company provides an insurance plan that pays 50% of an employe's salary for Long Term Disability. Employes have the option of purchasing an additional 16.66%, bringing their total to 66.66%. The basic benefit maximum is $4,000 per month. With the buy up, the limit is increased to $10,000 per month. Sure. I'm in the market for a new marine diesel of 420-480 shp. I'm especially interested in Volvo's TAMD74P EDC, because Volvo has had a lot of experience with electronic controls in that size diesel. I've dismissed getting a Cat 3208 TA because the technology is so old and because a couple of commercial fishermen I know who have had 3208's have, basically, burned them out. Thanks. Yes, Cummins is talked about favorably by some of the guys I've been talking to. Most of them have had experience with Cats, especially the 3208, and in recent years some have moved to Volvos. These are commercial fishermen, mostly, running hulls somewhat similar to what we're doing. No, the diesel is for a new boat we're having built. Hmmm. A fishing/day cruising boat with some range, nice speed, a real soft ride, offshore capabilities and sleeping/full head(with standup shower enclosure)/galley accommodations. Fiberglass, although the architect did try to convince me to go with cold-molded wood, which I do like. More specifically, I suppose, a lobsta' boat, sort of, if that brings up a mental image for you. She'll measure 36' sans a bowsprit x a little more than 12' in beam. The hull buttom is built down to the keel. There are no chines. The hull is efficient at displacement and planing speeds. According to the hull builder, if we keep the weight within certain limits, we'll achieve a WOT of about 37-38 mph, and a very easy cruise of 30-32 mph on a single diesel of about 420-450 hp. She'll cruise slow and economically, too. We expect a very smooooooooooth riding boat, able to take on a big headsea at a pretty good clip without beating up the folks inside. Fitting out a boat like this is going to be an interesting and stimulating experience. Basically, we get to spec everything and we end up with a custom boat It's Lou Codega. He's a widely known and respected naval architect. He does Regulator's hulls, too. He's done the Navigator 37. I believe he's also done designs for Carolina Classic. Cummins faxed me a bunch of computer generated data today on engine choices for the new boat. On the 36-footer, 16,000 pounds displacement: QSM11 635 hp, 36.3 mph WOT, 32.1 mph at sustained cruise, marine gear ratio of 1.77, turning a four blade 26x35 prop on a 2.50 inch Aquamet 22 shaft. Too much engine. QSM11 535 hp at 2300 rpm, 33.3 mph WOT, 29.5 mph at sustained cruise of 2100 rpm, same gear ratio, 24x34 prop. Right on the money. 6CTA8.3 450 hp, 30.6 mph WOT, 27.5 mph at sustained cruise, 2.00:1 gear ratio, 24x31 four blade prop on Aquamet 22 2" shaft. Cummins tells me its program is "about 8% too conservative." Looks like the QSM11 535 will be the right engine. Its fuel use is only a little more than the 450's and a lot less than the 635 hp engine. What I want is a 30 mph sustained cruise speed, and 535 hp will do it. Cummins also figured the boat at 1000 pounds heavier than our target, which is probably the smart thing to do. Besides, the QSM is a new, all computerized design. The hull form is what got to me. The boat has a substantial keel and it is a built-down keel, right to its bottom, not just "tacked" on. It backs down beautifully. And it seems to roll one heck of a lot less in a beam sea than the semi-vee 36 footers I've been on, and especially some large deep vee fishing boats of about the same size its been my pleasure to fish aboard. I believe it is a function of the keel and the really low center of gravity. Amazing, for a boat that is round bilged and fairly flat under the transom. No chines. Just splash rails forward and aft. A soft, soft ride...which is what I wanted. Here's just some of his prior lies (in his own words pasted); I sold off nearly $3,000,000 in new motors and boats, depressing the new boat industry in southern Connecticut for an entire season. Everything was sold...every cotter pin, every quart of oil, 30 days after I started. For near full-retail, too. He had just under $1,000,000 on floor plan with a syndicate of banks led by National Shawmut of Boston. He had been a solid customer of that back for more than 20 years and they gave him great rates. As far as your other complaints, well, almost every president in my memory, and I *remember* Truman, Eisenhower (who cheated on his wife), Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan and Bush, lied and participated in deceit to one degree or another, and on issues far more important than who was giving them blow jobs. Good lord. I met *every* president in the damned group except Bush, and I worked once for his father. My father used to pray that the north shore of LI Sound would be hit by a mild hurricane. No one injured, no on-shore property damaged, but lots of boats sunk. Preferably early in July. We had the Hatteras for two years. Last year, out of the cold clear, a broker approached me with an offer to buy. Our continued Florida lifestyle was somewhat up in the air, because the two breadwinners hereabouts were about to be offered long-term but temporary assignments they could not refuse in the Washington, D.C., area. So, after being romanced a little, we sold the Hatt for almost precisely what we paid for it. Not bad, after two full years of use. And I mean full years. So, we didn't "make" any money off the Hatt, but we didn't lose any, either. The proceeds were prudently invested. The PWC was won as a prize in a raffle. Never mind that. Why does he have a Bilgeliner in front of his office? Is it a display of "Boating Don'ts?" Yeah, when we were in the boat biz, my father always had one or two "around the back" that he was forced to take in trade. These were sold as "as is, where is." He made sure the engine would start and run. Beyond that, it was up to the prospective buyer to decide if he wanted it. They moved off the lot pretty quickly, partially because my dad's main store was on a highly trafficked commercial route with lots of manufacturing and machining and aerospace plants near by. In those days, workers at these places could fix anything. Actually, Dipper, I don't think my father ever saw a Bayliner. But he still called bumpers bumpers. -- Bayliner wined and dined my father a half dozen times to entice him into becoming its dealer. His operation was the largest small boat dealership in its area of New England, and for 30 years, he was the *exclusive* Evinrude dealer in a densely populated coastal county. He also handled Mercuries. He never liked Bayliners, and referred to them as "jerry-built." From 1947 until he died, he sold more than 500 outboard motors a year from his stores, accounting for a reasonably high percentage of *all* outboards sold in his home state for those years. This is a killer. My father was in the boat business dating back to right after the Big War. When he died and I was ooking through his warehouse, I found wrapped in a nuclear fall-out bag (no kidding), a brand-new 1949 Evinrude 8015 50 hp outboard. The motor was a gift to my father from Evinrude for winning some outboard stock utility or hydroplane race. I gave the motor to a friend of my dad's, who worked at the shop as head mechanic. I don't believe he ever used it and I'm sure it is still brand-new. I have no idea who might own it now. He also built boats, and I worked on a few, both wood, glass covered wood and all fiberglass. After he died, however, we sold the biz and I've just been an occasional boat owner. Besides, I worked off and on in the boat business and inherited it when he died. So, as I said, I'm knee-deep in boat heritage. Oh, and I had some friends who died in the service, too, but it wasn't for what they believed in. They were drafted, shipped to Vietnam and came back in body bags. During the war, he turned out experimental brass shell casings for the Army and hopped up outboards for the Navy, which wanted to use them on smaller landing craft. I had photos at one time of my father with Ole Evinrude himself. My mother knew one of Evinrude's wives...she was a minor movie star or singer...I forgot which. Maybe both. Have you ever sailed from San Francisco to Hawaii? I have. Have you ever rounded Cape Horn? I have, twice. Have you ever transited the Panama Canal? I have. Have you owned more than 20 boats in your lifetime? I have. Have you ever sailed large boats competitively? I have. Have you ever been hundreds of miles from land in a powerboat under your command? I have. My father and his chief mechanic once crossed the Atlantic in winter in a 22' boat powered by twin outboards. Yes, it is possible, even the fuel. Got a "fireboat" welcome in NYC. Here are some: Hatteras 43' sportfish Swan 41' racing/cruising sloop Morgan 33 O'Day 30 Cruisers, Inc., Mackinac 22 Century Coronado Bill Luders 16, as sweet a sailboat as ever caught a breeze. Century 19' wood lapstrake with side wheel steering Cruisers, Inc. 18' and 16' wood lapstrakes Wolverines. Molded plywood. Gorgeous. Several. 14,15,17 footers with various Evinrudes Lighting class sailboat Botved Coronet with twin 50 hp Evinrudes. Interesting boat. Aristocraft (a piece of junk...13', fast, held together with spit) Alcort Sunfish Ancarrow Marine Aquiflyer. 22' footer with two Caddy Crusaders. Guaranteed 60 mph. In the late 1950's. Skimmar brand skiff Arkansas Traveler fiberglass bowrider (I think it was a bowrider) Dyer Dhow Su-Mark round bilge runabout, fiberglass Penn Yan runabouts. Wood. Old Town wood and canvas canoe Old Town sailing canoe...different than above canoe Sometime in the early 1960s, I was driving back from Ft. Leonard Wood to Kansas City in a nice old MGA I owned at the time. About halfway home it started raining heavily, I turned on the wipers, and EVERY SINGLE electrical accessory and light in the car flashed on, there was a large popping sound and it all blew out at once. And the car caught fire. I pulled over to the side of the road, watched the fire, removed my license plate and hitched on home. For all I know, that old MGA is still there. Sure was a pretty little car. Puh-lease, Karen. You've not seen nor have I ever posted one example of my professional writings on building structure and the effects on it of hurricane-force winds and seismic activity. I haven't done any of these in at least 10 year, but at the time I was field researching, photographing and writing these reports, they were quite accurate, topical and well-received by their intended audiences. A small fleet of Polar skiffs were purchased by an inshore bait, tackle and boat rental business on the ICW in NE Florida. These boats were not used on open waters. Within 90 days, cracks developed in the liners that also served as the deck over the flotation in the bottom of the hulls. A guide I know, one whose boats and engines are supplied to him by manufacturers, also had a Polar skiff go bad on him for the same reasons -liner and then hull fractures. Harry has claimed to have a 20 yrs his junior beautiful wife, he even put a fake pic of a beautiful woman on a website once claiming it was his "young bride", he may have a wife, although I doubt it, we don't like nor tolerate misogynists for long. Needless to say he's made up many "dramatic" over the top stories over the years about this lie to feed his ego & pretend he's the centre of attention, but as with his boat claims & other crap, there's never once been even a shred of independently verifiable material. After he stalked Madcow in real life, which was most frightening, I do suspect he's very very dangerous & that this "bride" story is his delusional appropriation of his, probably court ordered, treating psychotherapist as "wife" (it seems he was under lock & key for what?? over a year??? a sexual deviant maybe??), have a read of just a small part of his BS & make up your own mind, it's all about free choice:-) 1. She *is* my bride. There are no rules that determine the end of "bride-hood." If I want to refer to her as my bride, I may. 2. As a professional writer, I know the rules of language and am entitled to break them in exercise of my license. 3. I doubt many married women would object to their husbands lovingly referring to them as brides. The connotations are pleasant. 4. She's 20 years younger than I am. Naw. What happened was that I handled a couple of "political" consulting jobs funded out of the DC area to help a few candidates and defeat a couple of ballot issues. Through no fault of mine, we won each of the races, so some of the deep pockets types based in the DC area think I actually *know something* about the process. I was offered a contract that requires my presence in DC quite frequently. My bride also was offered a job up here that represented a significant professional career move. So, we're "up here" much of the time and "down there" the rest of it, except when we're "somewhere else." I've been back to Jax (well, really south of Jax) five times since coming "up here" late last summer and my bride just returned from a business trip there. I swear this is true. Here's a funny. My bride had to fly out to San Diego Wednesday and hitched a ride on her company's corporate jet. They landed in Salina, Kansas, which is due north of Wichita and Skippy's suburb of Derby. So when she gets to San Diego, I get a call asking, "What the hell did you do in Kansas...we didn't fly over one significant patch of water...?" Harry, you make over 500 posts a week to this group and you don't own a boat? And why are you so crabby? Maybe these two factors are related? One has to own something to use it? Hmmm. My bride drives off in her car every day, but she doesn't own it. I'm not crabby. You asked for advice I gave you some. I questioned your wanting to take a very small boat out into high seas and suddenly you turned sour. It's your pot; you are the one stewing in it. No, it is the boat of a friend. It is a 24' ProLine center console with, if I recall, a 225 hp Merc on it. It was a dark and stormy day in January (1997) when we went out, but the sky cleared once we got out to the Gulf Stream. Bride and I caught and released: 1 white marlin 12-15 yellowtail snappers, maybe two pounds each. Pretty, pretty fish. Assorted red snappers 1 amberjack 2 jack crevalle jacks 1 snook Nondescript sharks Did you spend a year as a line psychotherapist at a 650-bed state hospital for forensic patients? Did you spend a year as senior psychotherapist at a county facility for substance abusers? Did you spend two years as chief of therapy at a private, 200-bed facility for the mentally and emotionally ill, at which approximately half the patients were trying to beat drugs or alcohol? Are you currently chief of therapy for a for a multi-practitioner practice of some 825 patients, about a third of which are seeking help for substance abuse problems? Licensed psychotherapist Screening as to character and background for each degree earned On-going screening by faculty while in educational system Interviews and screenings for required years of internships, plus, at the same time, supervision by a licensed professional. Close professional and personal supervision by a licensed therapist for two years of employment before being allowed to apply for licensure Licensure background check, submission of recommendations by licensed practitioners Four hour written examination on state laws Five hour written examination on diagnosis, procedure and practice My wife went through this before becoming licensed. Her final internship was as a psychotherapist at a 600-bed high security state psychiatric hospital where, on a daily basis, she was exposed to more danger than your average soldier. My wife worked for a year as psychotherapist in a Florida 600-bed state mental institution for forensic patients. She saw and treated numerous sexual deviants who do a bit more than expose themselves. Such "treatment" is part of being in the mental health professions. You see, I'm a nautical psychotherapist, and for only $125 an hour, until their health insurance runs out, I help Bayliner owners overcome their feelings of boatable inadequacy. She is a licensed, practicing psychotherapist and often tells me I am the sanest person she sees each day. Which can be taken any way one likes. 1. I'm married to a psychotherapist. Live-in therapy, dontcha know? And much of Freud is passe. My ex-wife surpassed the anti-Christ at least a decade ago. They're not actually "free" moments. I go to boat dealers to round-up Bayliner owners who are trying to find one who will take their own version of flotsam and jetsam in on trade. 1. The address listed is not a home address. It is an office. 2. I have three phone numbers. The phone number listed is not one of mine. It has never been one of mine. The phone number *did* belong to an after-hours message recording hotline my wife maintained for her most mentally disturbed patients. Some of these troubled souls were court-ordered referrals. *Every* call to that phone number--every call--was recorded AND because of the nature of the line, my wife had the ability to alert the telephone company to trace the phone number of every incoming call to that line, *even* if the person making the call tried to block his number. Why, you might ask? Because when you are dealing with suicidal people, they'll liable to tell their therapist over the phone that they are planning to take their life. If the therapist believes the threat is real, she or he will want to dispatch emergency srvices and perhaps the police. In the years my wife has provided this pro bono service, she has never received a threatening or abusive call from a mentally ill patient or court-ordered referral. However, after the ranking Flaming Ass of this newsgroup posted the hotline number in this newsgroup, she received a number of abusive, foul-mouthed AND life-threatening calls. These were mostly directed at me but, of course, I never received them BECAUSE (duh!) the phone is not mine and I've never answered it. Naturally, my wife alerted the authorities, with whom she works closely because of her court-referred patients. The authorities are investigating the callers and have involved both the FBI *and* authorities in other states, including Florida, Georgia, California and Texas. Working with the telephone company, the authorities have been able to trace the origin of virtually every abusive call. And, of course, they have the tape recordings of the abusive messages. Several suspects have been identified. I really don't know what the outcome of all this will be. We haven't had an update in several weeks, nor are either of us here that interested in the sleazeballs that would make such calls. The phone number, of course, is "wired," so when the obnoxious calls came in from the idiot rec.boaters, the numbers were easy enough to trace. The local police handled a complaint, the local telco was involved and when it was discovered the point of origin was out of state, the FBI got involved. At least one of the idiots was caught and prosecuted. As far as I can tell, he has not posted here again |
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