Harry,
In this neck of the woods (Michigan) We had some human fatalities when
motorists encounter deer. I'm not a hunter myself but I can see the need for
their work.
Paul

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 11:01:57 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:


Last night at dusk, five young deer strolled across my yard. That's why I
have NO TRESPASSING and NO HUNTING signs everywhere.


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I see that your deer pay no more attention to NO TRESSPASSING signs
than ours used to, even better if you can stop them from hunting.


No...they just ignore the signs. All the critters do.

Winter really is tough on a lot of woodland animals.

The road that leads to our country lane is all woods on one side, and
partially developed on the other. There aren't any streetlights out here,
and at dusk visibility really is miserable. Hungry critters are always
crossing from one side to another and several get clipped every week,
including some absolutely beautiful local deer. About a month ago, a deer
leaped across the road no more than a foot in front of our car...if I had
been going any faster, I would have smashed up the car and the deer.

Not sure, but Harry's probably more concerned about stupid hunters than with
hunters in general. I spend quite a bit of time driving (to fishing spots)
in rural upstate NY. There are thousands of private property signs, and the
reason is simple: There are hunters who think that if they miss their
target, the bullet or shotgun slug turns into a marshmallow and drops
harmlessly to the ground. And, many of them don't obey the rules regarding
distance from hunter to the nearest dwelling.

A friend of mine has a couple hundred acres of farmland just outside of
Rochester. He's found hunters crouching in the hedgerow 200' from the back
of his house. Clearly, these people know they're trespassing. In some cases,
they become argumentative and tell him that because they're being careful,
he shouldn't have a problem with their presence. Sometimes, he finds his
signs ripped down. In one instance, he and his wife pointed out a sign to a
hunter. The guy ripped the sign off the tree, tossed it on the ground, and
****ed on it.

A former neighbor, his brothers and their dad are hunters, but the right
kind. Unfortunately, not everyone is like them.

"Paul Schilter" paulschilter@comcast dot net wrote in message
...
Harry,
In this neck of the woods (Michigan) We had some human fatalities when
motorists encounter deer. I'm not a hunter myself but I can see the need
for
their work.
Paul

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
news:1104331674.e19b8cb5875ff9205b09066cff87df05@t eranews...
Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 11:01:57 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:


Last night at dusk, five young deer strolled across my yard. That's why
I
have NO TRESPASSING and NO HUNTING signs everywhere.


=========================================

I see that your deer pay no more attention to NO TRESSPASSING signs
than ours used to, even better if you can stop them from hunting.


No...they just ignore the signs. All the critters do.

Winter really is tough on a lot of woodland animals.

The road that leads to our country lane is all woods on one side, and
partially developed on the other. There aren't any streetlights out
here,
and at dusk visibility really is miserable. Hungry critters are always
crossing from one side to another and several get clipped every week,
including some absolutely beautiful local deer. About a month ago, a
deer
leaped across the road no more than a foot in front of our car...if I
had
been going any faster, I would have smashed up the car and the deer.

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...


2. I don't want to walk my woods and encounter empty beer cans, whiskey
bottles and fast food wrappers. I also don't want ATV idiots on my land,
or trail motorcycles.


Yeah....that's what ruined some prime trout fishing near me. The private
property along the creek was constantly littered with trash. I managed to
contact the owner and plead for permission to fish there, but his friends
still happen along every now and then and give me a hard time. Meanwhile, I
go home with little pieces of monofilament in my pocket - the leftovers from
knot tying. I don't even leave those.

Harry,
I can certainly agree with your privilege of not having hunters on your
property. If you wish to allow nature photographers then that's very
generous of you, perhaps more than I would be. I just make the point that
the deer herd does need a method of managing their numbers. Not only for our
sake (the motorist) but for theirs as well. If too many deer inhabit an area
they suffer from starvation and or malnourishment. People and wild life just
aren't too compatible, sort of a shame but that's what passes for progress.
I'm sure the Native Americans can confirm that.
Paul

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Paul Schilter wrote:
Harry,
In this neck of the woods (Michigan) We had some human fatalities
when motorists encounter deer. I'm not a hunter myself but I can see the
need for their work.
Paul
snipped


The fact that hunters kill deer doesn't result in an end to deer-car
encounters.

I simply don't want hunter/trespassers on my property, and neither do any
of my neighbors along this stretch of Chesapeake Bay. I have no objection
to anyone walking the woods who is armed with a camera.

Harry,
All good and valid points except #4. If I had "No Trespassing" signs
posted I wouldn't expect to see picnickers on my property.
Paul

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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snipped

My only real problem with hunters is their referring to their slaughter of
animals as "sport." It isn't sporting to shoot an animal.

I don't allow hunters on my property for the following reasons:

1. I am protective of the critters who live on and around my property.
They are under enormous pressure from developers and motorized traffic.
My wife and I - and our neighbors - like to watch the animals and think
that there should be areas where they are not harassed or hunted.

2. I don't want to walk my woods and encounter empty beer cans, whiskey
bottles and fast food wrappers. I also don't want ATV idiots on my land,
or trail motorcycles.

3. As Doug points out, I don't want anyone on or near my property
discharging firearms withour realizing their discharges travel some
distance when they miss, and can be dangerous.

4. I don't chase off anyone armed with only a camera, or carrying a
blanket and picnic basket.

On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 15:34:12 -0500, "Paul Schilter"
paulschilter@comcast dot net wrote:

Harry,
I can certainly agree with your privilege of not having hunters on your
property. If you wish to allow nature photographers then that's very
generous of you, perhaps more than I would be. I just make the point that
the deer herd does need a method of managing their numbers. Not only for our
sake (the motorist) but for theirs as well. If too many deer inhabit an area
they suffer from starvation and or malnourishment. People and wild life just
aren't too compatible, sort of a shame but that's what passes for progress.
I'm sure the Native Americans can confirm that.
Paul

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Paul Schilter wrote:
Harry,
In this neck of the woods (Michigan) We had some human fatalities
when motorists encounter deer. I'm not a hunter myself but I can see the
need for their work.
Paul
snipped


The fact that hunters kill deer doesn't result in an end to deer-car
encounters.

I simply don't want hunter/trespassers on my property, and neither do any
of my neighbors along this stretch of Chesapeake Bay. I have no objection
to anyone walking the woods who is armed with a camera.


The Coast Guard station just down the road had to euthanize about 25
deer this past year. The herd was just getting too big, and the young
were being found dead of starvation.

When we get rid of the natural predators, man must become the
predator.

John H

On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD,
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it."
Rene Descartes

"RGrew176" wrote in message
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From: Harry Krause

Doug Kanter wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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2. I don't want to walk my woods and encounter empty beer cans, whiskey
bottles and fast food wrappers. I also don't want ATV idiots on my land,
or trail motorcycles.



Yeah....that's what ruined some prime trout fishing near me. The private
property along the creek was constantly littered with trash. I managed to
contact the owner and plead for permission to fish there, but his friends
still happen along every now and then and give me a hard time. Meanwhile,
I
go home with little pieces of monofilament in my pocket - the leftovers
from
knot tying. I don't even leave those.



About every six weeks, we get up a volunteer group to walk along the
state road near us and pick up all the trash the buttwipers toss out of
their cars. There are pigs everywhere.

Explain this to Tuuk, who thinks it's fantasy, the idea of collecting
monofilament in your pocket rather than leave it all over the woods.

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Doug Kanter wrote:
"RGrew176" wrote in message
...

From: Harry Krause

Doug Kanter wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...



2. I don't want to walk my woods and encounter empty beer cans, whiskey
bottles and fast food wrappers. I also don't want ATV idiots on my
land,
or trail motorcycles.



Yeah....that's what ruined some prime trout fishing near me. The private
property along the creek was constantly littered with trash. I managed
to
contact the owner and plead for permission to fish there, but his
friends
still happen along every now and then and give me a hard time.
Meanwhile, I
go home with little pieces of monofilament in my pocket - the leftovers
from
knot tying. I don't even leave those.



About every six weeks, we get up a volunteer group to walk along the
state road near us and pick up all the trash the buttwipers toss out of
their cars. There are pigs everywhere.


Explain this to Tuuk, who thinks it's fantasy, the idea of collecting
monofilament in your pocket rather than leave it all over the woods.
````


I wouldn't bet one could explain a "Dick and Jane" story to the Tuukster.
But if you are willing to take on the task, perhaps you might also explain
the consequences of "criminal trespass" to him.



Hey...I've almost got Dave Hall eating out of my hand. :-)