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Tuuk December 28th 04 02:22 PM

Don't forget...
 
Harry,,

Your IQ is slipping, previous days were reported around -6 and today I see
you posted your IQ to be a -9. Not surprising coming from a low form of life
such as yourself. No wonder your children do not associate with you. I mean
this is what you said.
I stand by my statement and pray someone pulls through.

Harry, your a real prick, a lying prick.

Are you going to answer my question? hmmmmm


I didn't think so.

You are a low life racists harry,








"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
...the outdoor critters.

It's really cold out in our area (16F, -9C), and there's not much for our
wild feathered or furry friends to eat out there. Why not buy a couple of
bags of corn and sunflower seed for the birds, and a big bag of dry cat
food for the raccoons, possums, squirrels, et cetera, and toss out a
couple handfuls every morning?

Brrrrrrr!




Terry Spragg December 28th 04 02:26 PM

In response, posted to rec.boats.cruising,
Harry Krause wrote:
...the outdoor critters.

It's really cold out in our area (16F, -9C), and there's not much for
our wild feathered or furry friends to eat out there. Why not buy a
couple of bags of corn and sunflower seed for the birds, and a big bag
of dry cat food for the raccoons, possums, squirrels, et cetera, and
toss out a couple handfuls every morning?

Brrrrrrr!


Ya wouldn't have to if ya didn't use poison and clip your "lawn" to
look just like all the other girly man's lawns, who gotta compete to
see who looks the most pussey whipped of them all.

Let your yard grow up and you will create a natural habitat for the
critters. There is no need to limit them, except for the ones inside
your attic or walls. We are all farmers at heart.

Don't start feeding them unless you will do it religiously. It will
kill them if you start feeding them and then forget.

I was looking at a pair of fat old crows huddled in a tree across
the street as a blizzard blew yesterday all to hell. I stopped to
think how they must be suffering and then it struck me; they aren't
suffering. They have a coat of interlocking feathers which spills
the wind, is insulated with down, the only part not protected is
their eye lids and their feet, thickly calloused. They sit, waiting
for a morstle to appear, for a mouse to disturb the snow as it
cruises the soft snowy world looking for grass seeds, old mushrooms,
frozen bugs, the odd blackberry or rasberry, etc.

It is we who are out of place.

Are you comfortable? This is the season for helping nieghbours.
Who's the best potlatcher?

Let's see the stats that show who can afford what.

City by city.

A christmas contest, mano a mano? Due New Year's Eve, a manic new
contest?

If you where borne where you are, that makes you a native, like a
Bangla Deshian, whatever. Now, they need help.

Where is the army when you need it for the good fight?

Terry K

Terry K


Short Wave Sportfishing December 28th 04 04:50 PM

On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 07:50:07 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

...the outdoor critters.

It's really cold out in our area (16F, -9C), and there's not much for
our wild feathered or furry friends to eat out there. Why not buy a
couple of bags of corn and sunflower seed for the birds, and a big bag
of dry cat food for the raccoons, possums, squirrels, et cetera, and
toss out a couple handfuls every morning?


I take the Doug Kanter apporach with regard to squirrels.

DEATH!!!!

Later,

Tom

Short Wave Sportfishing December 28th 04 05:14 PM

On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 11:52:55 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 07:50:07 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:


...the outdoor critters.

It's really cold out in our area (16F, -9C), and there's not much for
our wild feathered or furry friends to eat out there. Why not buy a
couple of bags of corn and sunflower seed for the birds, and a big bag
of dry cat food for the raccoons, possums, squirrels, et cetera, and
toss out a couple handfuls every morning?



I take the Doug Kanter apporach with regard to squirrels.

DEATH!!!!


Why would a guy your size need to pick on tiny squirrels?


Because they are useless, nasty little animals who, in their mindless
cavorting, ripped my garage to shreds one evening - about ten of the
little bastids.

They all deserve to die.

Or be turned into streamers, nymphs, Wooly Buggers and any other kind
of fly I can think of.

Later,

Tom


Doug Kanter December 28th 04 06:22 PM

"Terry Spragg" wrote in message
...


Let your yard grow up and you will create a natural habitat for the
critters. There is no need to limit them, except for the ones inside
your attic or walls. We are all farmers at heart.


I'm planting 3 million blueberry bushes this spring. I'm assuming (happily)
that the deer and birds will get 90% of the berries, and I'll get maybe a
few quarts. No problem. And maybe it'll keep the deer away from the rest of
the garden. But probably not.



Tuuk December 28th 04 07:03 PM


Harry,,

Wasn't it you who yesterday mocked THailand for having rat **** causing
disease from flooding,, now you are protecting the rats with bushy tails ??
harry,,, are you sure your not on senile drugs? Have you taken your
medication today ole harry? Better get the wife to bring over the paper cup
again,, oops not the pee cup,, the paper one with the reds and blues in it..

Harry,,, it turns out that you are a crazy old man who lies a lot.. If this
turns you on, or keeps you alive,, then that is good for you,, but you
shouldn't keep lying as much as you are. Could this be the reason your
children have left you for their mother? Promising never to associate with
you again? I mean this is what YOU yourself said.


But you have proven to be a liar before,,, I have proven that very easily,,,

Just with your own words in the last two days.

Lowest form of life harry,,, you appear to be a low form of life,,, a union
isn't a choice for you harry,,, it is a necessity,, you are a minority
harry, you belong to 16% of the working population. lol,,,












"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 11:52:55 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:


Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:

On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 07:50:07 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:



...the outdoor critters.

It's really cold out in our area (16F, -9C), and there's not much for
our wild feathered or furry friends to eat out there. Why not buy a
couple of bags of corn and sunflower seed for the birds, and a big bag
of dry cat food for the raccoons, possums, squirrels, et cetera, and
toss out a couple handfuls every morning?


I take the Doug Kanter apporach with regard to squirrels.

DEATH!!!!

Why would a guy your size need to pick on tiny squirrels?



Because they are useless, nasty little animals who, in their mindless
cavorting, ripped my garage to shreds one evening - about ten of the
little bastids.

They all deserve to die.

Or be turned into streamers, nymphs, Wooly Buggers and any other kind
of fly I can think of.

Later,

Tom


`Well, if you fed them properly...




Doug Kanter December 28th 04 07:04 PM


"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 07:50:07 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

...the outdoor critters.

It's really cold out in our area (16F, -9C), and there's not much for
our wild feathered or furry friends to eat out there. Why not buy a
couple of bags of corn and sunflower seed for the birds, and a big bag
of dry cat food for the raccoons, possums, squirrels, et cetera, and
toss out a couple handfuls every morning?


I take the Doug Kanter apporach with regard to squirrels.

DEATH!!!!

Later,

Tom


Hey....that's a patented process, Tom. Incidentally, they're supposed to be
tasty, especially deep fried.



Doug Kanter December 28th 04 07:05 PM


"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 07:50:07 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:


...the outdoor critters.

It's really cold out in our area (16F, -9C), and there's not much for
our wild feathered or furry friends to eat out there. Why not buy a
couple of bags of corn and sunflower seed for the birds, and a big bag
of dry cat food for the raccoons, possums, squirrels, et cetera, and
toss out a couple handfuls every morning?



I take the Doug Kanter apporach with regard to squirrels.

DEATH!!!!

Later,

Tom



Why would a guy your size need to pick on tiny squirrels?


Harry, why would a guy YOUR size pick on chickens, fish, turkeys, and all
the other stuff we eat?



Doug Kanter December 28th 04 07:06 PM


"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 11:52:55 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:


Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:

On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 07:50:07 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:



...the outdoor critters.

It's really cold out in our area (16F, -9C), and there's not much for
our wild feathered or furry friends to eat out there. Why not buy a
couple of bags of corn and sunflower seed for the birds, and a big bag
of dry cat food for the raccoons, possums, squirrels, et cetera, and
toss out a couple handfuls every morning?


I take the Doug Kanter apporach with regard to squirrels.

DEATH!!!!

Why would a guy your size need to pick on tiny squirrels?



Because they are useless, nasty little animals who, in their mindless
cavorting, ripped my garage to shreds one evening - about ten of the
little bastids.

They all deserve to die.

Or be turned into streamers, nymphs, Wooly Buggers and any other kind
of fly I can think of.

Later,

Tom


`Well, if you fed them properly...


Harry...squirrels need absolutely no help finding food. Believe me. I have
over 50,000 of them in my yard and they're plenty fat.



Doug Kanter December 28th 04 07:12 PM


"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Doug Kanter wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:

On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 07:50:07 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:



...the outdoor critters.

It's really cold out in our area (16F, -9C), and there's not much for
our wild feathered or furry friends to eat out there. Why not buy a
couple of bags of corn and sunflower seed for the birds, and a big bag
of dry cat food for the raccoons, possums, squirrels, et cetera, and
toss out a couple handfuls every morning?


I take the Doug Kanter apporach with regard to squirrels.

DEATH!!!!

Later,

Tom


Why would a guy your size need to pick on tiny squirrels?



Harry, why would a guy YOUR size pick on chickens, fish, turkeys, and

all
the other stuff we eat?




I don't. I buy them partially processed at the supermarket. Well, other
than the occasional fish I catch and keep.


Ha. You've fallen into my trap! You kill fish, when you could get them from
the store, which buys them from fishermen who kill the fish humanely by
catching them in nets and letting them suffocate on the deck of a ship.
Evil, Harry. Pure evil. :-)



Short Wave Sportfishing December 28th 04 07:37 PM

On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 19:04:29 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:


"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
.. .
On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 07:50:07 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

...the outdoor critters.

It's really cold out in our area (16F, -9C), and there's not much for
our wild feathered or furry friends to eat out there. Why not buy a
couple of bags of corn and sunflower seed for the birds, and a big bag
of dry cat food for the raccoons, possums, squirrels, et cetera, and
toss out a couple handfuls every morning?


I take the Doug Kanter apporach with regard to squirrels.

DEATH!!!!


Hey....that's a patented process, Tom. Incidentally, they're supposed to be
tasty, especially deep fried.


I tried one once - it's an aquired taste, but they are good.

Later,

Tom


Short Wave Sportfishing December 28th 04 07:37 PM

On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 13:00:15 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 11:52:55 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:


Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:

On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 07:50:07 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:



...the outdoor critters.

It's really cold out in our area (16F, -9C), and there's not much for
our wild feathered or furry friends to eat out there. Why not buy a
couple of bags of corn and sunflower seed for the birds, and a big bag
of dry cat food for the raccoons, possums, squirrels, et cetera, and
toss out a couple handfuls every morning?


I take the Doug Kanter apporach with regard to squirrels.

DEATH!!!!

Why would a guy your size need to pick on tiny squirrels?



Because they are useless, nasty little animals who, in their mindless
cavorting, ripped my garage to shreds one evening - about ten of the
little bastids.

They all deserve to die.

Or be turned into streamers, nymphs, Wooly Buggers and any other kind
of fly I can think of.


`Well, if you fed them properly...


I"ll feed 'em alright - hot lead from a shotgun.

Later,

Tom


Short Wave Sportfishing December 28th 04 07:40 PM

On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 18:22:36 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

"Terry Spragg" wrote in message
...


Let your yard grow up and you will create a natural habitat for the
critters. There is no need to limit them, except for the ones inside
your attic or walls. We are all farmers at heart.


I'm planting 3 million blueberry bushes this spring. I'm assuming (happily)
that the deer and birds will get 90% of the berries, and I'll get maybe a
few quarts. No problem. And maybe it'll keep the deer away from the rest of
the garden. But probably not.


3 Million? As in 3,000,000?

Even I don't have enough room to plant 3 freakin' million blueberry
bushes.

Damn.........

Later,

Tom


Short Wave Sportfishing December 28th 04 07:41 PM

On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 13:00:15 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 11:52:55 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:


Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:

On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 07:50:07 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:



...the outdoor critters.

It's really cold out in our area (16F, -9C), and there's not much for
our wild feathered or furry friends to eat out there. Why not buy a
couple of bags of corn and sunflower seed for the birds, and a big bag
of dry cat food for the raccoons, possums, squirrels, et cetera, and
toss out a couple handfuls every morning?


I take the Doug Kanter apporach with regard to squirrels.

DEATH!!!!

Why would a guy your size need to pick on tiny squirrels?



Because they are useless, nasty little animals who, in their mindless
cavorting, ripped my garage to shreds one evening - about ten of the
little bastids.

They all deserve to die.

Or be turned into streamers, nymphs, Wooly Buggers and any other kind
of fly I can think of.


`Well, if you fed them properly...


Maybe if folks like you DIDN'T feed them, they would all die. :)

Later,

Tom


Short Wave Sportfishing December 28th 04 08:09 PM

On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 15:06:43 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 13:00:15 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:


Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:

On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 11:52:55 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:



Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:


On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 07:50:07 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:




...the outdoor critters.

It's really cold out in our area (16F, -9C), and there's not much for
our wild feathered or furry friends to eat out there. Why not buy a
couple of bags of corn and sunflower seed for the birds, and a big bag
of dry cat food for the raccoons, possums, squirrels, et cetera, and
toss out a couple handfuls every morning?


I take the Doug Kanter apporach with regard to squirrels.

DEATH!!!!

Why would a guy your size need to pick on tiny squirrels?


Because they are useless, nasty little animals who, in their mindless
cavorting, ripped my garage to shreds one evening - about ten of the
little bastids.

They all deserve to die.

Or be turned into streamers, nymphs, Wooly Buggers and any other kind
of fly I can think of.

`Well, if you fed them properly...



Maybe if folks like you DIDN'T feed them, they would all die. :)


I'm genetically breeding a race of SuperSquirrels that I plan to sneak
onto your property to create havoc you cannot imagine...


ROTFL!!!

Anybody remember Secret Squirrel?

Later,

Tom


Short Wave Sportfishing December 28th 04 08:16 PM

On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 20:11:27 GMT, wrote:

On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 15:06:43 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

`Well, if you fed them properly...


Maybe if folks like you DIDN'T feed them, they would all die. :)


I'm genetically breeding a race of SuperSquirrels that I plan to sneak
onto your property to create havoc you cannot imagine...


Be careful they don't get loose and eat your nuts!


That would hurt.

Later,

Tom

Doug Kanter December 28th 04 08:47 PM


"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 18:22:36 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

"Terry Spragg" wrote in message
...


Let your yard grow up and you will create a natural habitat for the
critters. There is no need to limit them, except for the ones inside
your attic or walls. We are all farmers at heart.


I'm planting 3 million blueberry bushes this spring. I'm assuming

(happily)
that the deer and birds will get 90% of the berries, and I'll get maybe a
few quarts. No problem. And maybe it'll keep the deer away from the rest

of
the garden. But probably not.


3 Million? As in 3,000,000?

Even I don't have enough room to plant 3 freakin' million blueberry
bushes.

Damn.........

Later,

Tom

I might've exaggerated slightly. Probably a dozen.



Paul Schilter December 28th 04 09:20 PM

Tom,
Well if you're gonna bring up squirrels.... Once upon a time I was
eating some popcorn in my back yard. Along comes a squirrel. So I proceed to
throw it a few kernels. It moves in closer, I throw it a few more. Next it
maneuvers in closer still. Next it jumps straight up about three feet. Next
I drop the whole bag of popcorn and jump back. Shame on me. Couple of days
later I'm out there again with popcorn. The squirrel reappears. Sure enough
the exact same scenario appears. This time I'm expecting it. Sure enough he
does his jump but this time he goes away hungry. Damn squirrels. :-)
Paul

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 07:50:07 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

...the outdoor critters.

It's really cold out in our area (16F, -9C), and there's not much for
our wild feathered or furry friends to eat out there. Why not buy a
couple of bags of corn and sunflower seed for the birds, and a big bag
of dry cat food for the raccoons, possums, squirrels, et cetera, and
toss out a couple handfuls every morning?


I take the Doug Kanter apporach with regard to squirrels.

DEATH!!!!

Later,

Tom




Calif Bill December 28th 04 09:42 PM


"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 19:04:29 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:


"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
.. .
On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 07:50:07 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

...the outdoor critters.

It's really cold out in our area (16F, -9C), and there's not much for
our wild feathered or furry friends to eat out there. Why not buy a
couple of bags of corn and sunflower seed for the birds, and a big bag
of dry cat food for the raccoons, possums, squirrels, et cetera, and
toss out a couple handfuls every morning?

I take the Doug Kanter apporach with regard to squirrels.

DEATH!!!!


Hey....that's a patented process, Tom. Incidentally, they're supposed to

be
tasty, especially deep fried.


I tried one once - it's an aquired taste, but they are good.

Later,

Tom



The bird feeder today was nutso. First the squirrel is going crazy on top
of the grape arbor. Neighbors mean cat is down below. Wife runs cat off.
later there are at least 30 small birds and 1 dove on the feeder or the
deck. They all bust ass out of the area. A Sharp Shoulder hawk comes
flying through the deck area looking for lunch.



JimH December 28th 04 10:17 PM


"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 07:50:07 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

...the outdoor critters.

It's really cold out in our area (16F, -9C), and there's not much for
our wild feathered or furry friends to eat out there. Why not buy a
couple of bags of corn and sunflower seed for the birds, and a big bag
of dry cat food for the raccoons, possums, squirrels, et cetera, and
toss out a couple handfuls every morning?


I take the Doug Kanter apporach with regard to squirrels.

DEATH!!!!

Later,

Tom

I feed the birds during winter as they are beneficial and are also fun to
watch and identify. I keep squirrel baffles on all our feeders as we got
tired of the squirrels stealing the food.

I live trap (havahart traps) squirrels, rabbits and chipmunks on our
property due to the damage they cause. I would love to be able to release
them all onto Krause's property. I kill trap mice and moles....worthless
creatures other than food for predators. Perhaps Krause would like them
also.

The deer, squirrels, chipmunks, rabbits and the like should be thinned out
each year during the winter through a natural process....survival of the
fittest. Feeding them only disrupts this process and causes over
population.



Doug Kanter December 28th 04 11:32 PM

"JimH" wrote in message
...


I live trap (havahart traps) squirrels, rabbits and chipmunks on our
property due to the damage they cause.


What sort of damage is caused by squirrels, rabbits and chipmunks?

CHIPMUNKS???



Doug Kanter December 29th 04 06:53 AM


"WaIIy" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 23:32:08 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

"JimH" wrote in message
...


I live trap (havahart traps) squirrels, rabbits and chipmunks on our
property due to the damage they cause.


What sort of damage is caused by squirrels, rabbits and chipmunks?

CHIPMUNKS???


Around here, chipmunks do a lot of damage to patios and sidewalks.

Little *******s.


You realize, of course, that without describing the materials in question,
your statement is meaningless. I mean...in most parts of the universe,
"sidewalk" means cement. How do chipmunks damage cement?



JimH December 29th 04 12:02 PM


"WaIIy" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 23:32:08 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

"JimH" wrote in message
...


I live trap (havahart traps) squirrels, rabbits and chipmunks on our
property due to the damage they cause.


What sort of damage is caused by squirrels, rabbits and chipmunks?

CHIPMUNKS???


Around here, chipmunks do a lot of damage to patios and sidewalks.

Little *******s.


Yep. Trapped 11 of the critters this summer. The lawn in front of my
office looked like a prairie dog field.

The rabbits eat the flowers my wife plants.

Already talked about the squirrels.



Wayne.B December 29th 04 02:39 PM

On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 11:01:57 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

Last night at dusk, five young deer strolled
across my yard. That's why I have NO TRESPASSING and NO HUNTING signs
everywhere.


=========================================

I see that your deer pay no more attention to NO TRESSPASSING signs
than ours used to, even better if you can stop them from hunting.


Tuuk December 29th 04 03:54 PM

Harry,, you liar,,,

lets look at your stupidity this time,,,

'''''' No...they just ignore the signs. All the critters do.''"""


Harry,, what ,, you put up signs for the critters, deer and other animals to
obey? Harry, you are a psychotic liar, of course animals will ignore your
signs you unbelievable idiot. What kind of a moron are you. No wonder your
children left you promising never to associate with you again, I mean this
is what YOU said, but it certainly doesn't surprise me.


'"''''Winter really is tough on a lot of woodland animals."''"'"


No kidding!!! harry,,, what are you some type of a moron? They adapt you
moron, and for you to interrupt their natural adaptation is cruel you idiot,
you think you're doing something good in your mind, in reality you are
harming and you have no clue.


''''''The road that leads to our country lane is all woods on one side, and
partially developed on the other."'""


Ya,, it is paved with gold to ,, right,,, you liar


"'"'''There aren't any streetlights out
here, and at dusk visibility really is miserable.""''''




lol



''''''Hungry critters are
always crossing from one side to another and several get clipped every
week, including some absolutely beautiful local deer.''""""




it would appear that even the critters aren't too smart in your neck of the
woods,


''''About a month ago,
a deer leaped across the road no more than a foot in front of our car...if
I had been going any faster, I would have smashed up the car and the
deer.''''''



Ya,,, it was a reindeer,, named Rudolf,, krause, I will gladly further
expose you to the big liar you are, I am willing to bet you live in some
retirement home, a toothless sick old man in a chair. A mean and cruel old
man, one who glees at the sight of other's misfortunes. I think you are in a
dream world there krause, don't worry, you will be woken up soon. Too many
people hate you, and it is so obvious why. You are a sick, disgusting excuse
for a human, is this why your children left you for their mother? Promising
never to associate with you again? I mean this is what YOU yourself said. I
can see why. Don't worry krause, the holidays are almost over and back to
reality,,, you ready for reality?? It's coming.
Krause, the more I watch this dissaster unfold on television, see the people
of these countries that are affected and devastated, I cannot help but to
remember your gleeing and putting down the country of Thailand. Boasting how
they will be infected with rat **** and disease. What was that about sewing?
Sowing? lol,,, harry you are as dumb as a ****ing rock krause.. Krause, do
you live anywhere near that gentleman who is up on gun shooting charges?
That man from Laos ? I wonder if he gets off, as if you point a weapon at a
man it becomes self defense, I am thinking he will walk, when a hick points
a gun at a man from Laos, he had better be prepared for the outcome. You're
messing with a culture that you are just not familiar with, prepare for
reality.................................














"Harry Krause" wrote in message
news:1104331674.e19b8cb5875ff9205b09066cff87df05@t eranews...
Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 11:01:57 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:


Last night at dusk, five young deer strolled across my yard. That's why I
have NO TRESPASSING and NO HUNTING signs everywhere.



=========================================

I see that your deer pay no more attention to NO TRESSPASSING signs
than ours used to, even better if you can stop them from hunting.



No...they just ignore the signs. All the critters do.

Winter really is tough on a lot of woodland animals.

The road that leads to our country lane is all woods on one side, and
partially developed on the other. There aren't any streetlights out here,
and at dusk visibility really is miserable. Hungry critters are always
crossing from one side to another and several get clipped every week,
including some absolutely beautiful local deer. About a month ago, a deer
leaped across the road no more than a foot in front of our car...if I had
been going any faster, I would have smashed up the car and the deer.




JimH December 29th 04 05:09 PM


"WaIIy" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 06:53:41 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:


"WaIIy" wrote in message
. ..
On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 23:32:08 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

"JimH" wrote in message
...


I live trap (havahart traps) squirrels, rabbits and chipmunks on our
property due to the damage they cause.

What sort of damage is caused by squirrels, rabbits and chipmunks?

CHIPMUNKS???


Around here, chipmunks do a lot of damage to patios and sidewalks.

Little *******s.


You realize, of course, that without describing the materials in question,
your statement is meaningless. I mean...in most parts of the universe,
"sidewalk" means cement. How do chipmunks damage cement?


They dig under the concrete and the walks, patios collapse a bit and
crack.
I'm surprised you don't have this problem where you are.


Indeed. Enough of the critters can undermine a house foundation also.



Doug Kanter December 29th 04 05:51 PM


"WaIIy" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 06:53:41 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:


"WaIIy" wrote in message
.. .
On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 23:32:08 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

"JimH" wrote in message
...


I live trap (havahart traps) squirrels, rabbits and chipmunks on our
property due to the damage they cause.

What sort of damage is caused by squirrels, rabbits and chipmunks?

CHIPMUNKS???


Around here, chipmunks do a lot of damage to patios and sidewalks.

Little *******s.


You realize, of course, that without describing the materials in

question,
your statement is meaningless. I mean...in most parts of the universe,
"sidewalk" means cement. How do chipmunks damage cement?


They dig under the concrete and the walks, patios collapse a bit and
crack.
I'm surprised you don't have this problem where you are.


Sharpen your spade. Slip it straight down along the sidewalk, thereby making
a slot, as if you were edging a garden bed. Insert 1/4" galvanized hardware
cloth (the metal mesh with little square holesS). Ba da bing - end of
problem. The so-called hardware cloth lasts about 10 years underground.



Doug Kanter December 29th 04 06:22 PM


"WaIIy" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 17:51:14 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

Sharpen your spade. Slip it straight down along the sidewalk, thereby

making
a slot, as if you were edging a garden bed. Insert 1/4" galvanized

hardware
cloth (the metal mesh with little square holesS). Ba da bing - end of
problem. The so-called hardware cloth lasts about 10 years underground.


Well, chipmunks can dig deeper than your little shvel can.


1) Please describe the spade I own, by size and brand name.

2) I don't believe your chipmunk theory. I think you just like trapping
things so you can play with their little pee-pees before releasing them.



JimH December 29th 04 06:23 PM


"WaIIy" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 17:51:14 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

Sharpen your spade. Slip it straight down along the sidewalk, thereby
making
a slot, as if you were edging a garden bed. Insert 1/4" galvanized
hardware
cloth (the metal mesh with little square holesS). Ba da bing - end of
problem.


Or spend $14 for a live trap, set it and Ba da bing - end of problem.

Why are you getting so worked up over this Doug? Do you have some special
relationship with chipmunks?



Doug Kanter December 29th 04 06:41 PM


"JimH" wrote in message
...

"WaIIy" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 17:51:14 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

Sharpen your spade. Slip it straight down along the sidewalk, thereby
making
a slot, as if you were edging a garden bed. Insert 1/4" galvanized
hardware
cloth (the metal mesh with little square holesS). Ba da bing - end of
problem.


Or spend $14 for a live trap, set it and Ba da bing - end of problem.

Why are you getting so worked up over this Doug? Do you have some special
relationship with chipmunks?



Nah...I don't have many of them here for some reason. I just enjoy razzin'
Wally anytime the special bus rolls around here.



Paul Schilter December 29th 04 08:11 PM

Harry,
In this neck of the woods (Michigan) We had some human fatalities when
motorists encounter deer. I'm not a hunter myself but I can see the need for
their work.
Paul

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
news:1104331674.e19b8cb5875ff9205b09066cff87df05@t eranews...
Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 11:01:57 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:


Last night at dusk, five young deer strolled across my yard. That's why I
have NO TRESPASSING and NO HUNTING signs everywhere.



=========================================

I see that your deer pay no more attention to NO TRESSPASSING signs
than ours used to, even better if you can stop them from hunting.



No...they just ignore the signs. All the critters do.

Winter really is tough on a lot of woodland animals.

The road that leads to our country lane is all woods on one side, and
partially developed on the other. There aren't any streetlights out here,
and at dusk visibility really is miserable. Hungry critters are always
crossing from one side to another and several get clipped every week,
including some absolutely beautiful local deer. About a month ago, a deer
leaped across the road no more than a foot in front of our car...if I had
been going any faster, I would have smashed up the car and the deer.




Doug Kanter December 29th 04 08:29 PM

Not sure, but Harry's probably more concerned about stupid hunters than with
hunters in general. I spend quite a bit of time driving (to fishing spots)
in rural upstate NY. There are thousands of private property signs, and the
reason is simple: There are hunters who think that if they miss their
target, the bullet or shotgun slug turns into a marshmallow and drops
harmlessly to the ground. And, many of them don't obey the rules regarding
distance from hunter to the nearest dwelling.

A friend of mine has a couple hundred acres of farmland just outside of
Rochester. He's found hunters crouching in the hedgerow 200' from the back
of his house. Clearly, these people know they're trespassing. In some cases,
they become argumentative and tell him that because they're being careful,
he shouldn't have a problem with their presence. Sometimes, he finds his
signs ripped down. In one instance, he and his wife pointed out a sign to a
hunter. The guy ripped the sign off the tree, tossed it on the ground, and
****ed on it.

A former neighbor, his brothers and their dad are hunters, but the right
kind. Unfortunately, not everyone is like them.

"Paul Schilter" paulschilter@comcast dot net wrote in message
...
Harry,
In this neck of the woods (Michigan) We had some human fatalities when
motorists encounter deer. I'm not a hunter myself but I can see the need

for
their work.
Paul

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
news:1104331674.e19b8cb5875ff9205b09066cff87df05@t eranews...
Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 11:01:57 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:


Last night at dusk, five young deer strolled across my yard. That's why

I
have NO TRESPASSING and NO HUNTING signs everywhere.


=========================================

I see that your deer pay no more attention to NO TRESSPASSING signs
than ours used to, even better if you can stop them from hunting.



No...they just ignore the signs. All the critters do.

Winter really is tough on a lot of woodland animals.

The road that leads to our country lane is all woods on one side, and
partially developed on the other. There aren't any streetlights out

here,
and at dusk visibility really is miserable. Hungry critters are always
crossing from one side to another and several get clipped every week,
including some absolutely beautiful local deer. About a month ago, a

deer
leaped across the road no more than a foot in front of our car...if I

had
been going any faster, I would have smashed up the car and the deer.






Doug Kanter December 29th 04 08:59 PM

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...


2. I don't want to walk my woods and encounter empty beer cans, whiskey
bottles and fast food wrappers. I also don't want ATV idiots on my land,
or trail motorcycles.


Yeah....that's what ruined some prime trout fishing near me. The private
property along the creek was constantly littered with trash. I managed to
contact the owner and plead for permission to fish there, but his friends
still happen along every now and then and give me a hard time. Meanwhile, I
go home with little pieces of monofilament in my pocket - the leftovers from
knot tying. I don't even leave those.



Paul Schilter December 30th 04 08:34 PM

Harry,
I can certainly agree with your privilege of not having hunters on your
property. If you wish to allow nature photographers then that's very
generous of you, perhaps more than I would be. I just make the point that
the deer herd does need a method of managing their numbers. Not only for our
sake (the motorist) but for theirs as well. If too many deer inhabit an area
they suffer from starvation and or malnourishment. People and wild life just
aren't too compatible, sort of a shame but that's what passes for progress.
I'm sure the Native Americans can confirm that.
Paul

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Paul Schilter wrote:
Harry,
In this neck of the woods (Michigan) We had some human fatalities
when motorists encounter deer. I'm not a hunter myself but I can see the
need for their work.
Paul

snipped


The fact that hunters kill deer doesn't result in an end to deer-car
encounters.

I simply don't want hunter/trespassers on my property, and neither do any
of my neighbors along this stretch of Chesapeake Bay. I have no objection
to anyone walking the woods who is armed with a camera.




Paul Schilter December 30th 04 08:51 PM

Harry,
All good and valid points except #4. If I had "No Trespassing" signs
posted I wouldn't expect to see picnickers on my property.
Paul

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
snipped

My only real problem with hunters is their referring to their slaughter of
animals as "sport." It isn't sporting to shoot an animal.

I don't allow hunters on my property for the following reasons:

1. I am protective of the critters who live on and around my property.
They are under enormous pressure from developers and motorized traffic.
My wife and I - and our neighbors - like to watch the animals and think
that there should be areas where they are not harassed or hunted.

2. I don't want to walk my woods and encounter empty beer cans, whiskey
bottles and fast food wrappers. I also don't want ATV idiots on my land,
or trail motorcycles.

3. As Doug points out, I don't want anyone on or near my property
discharging firearms withour realizing their discharges travel some
distance when they miss, and can be dangerous.

4. I don't chase off anyone armed with only a camera, or carrying a
blanket and picnic basket.





JohnH December 31st 04 12:11 AM

On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 15:34:12 -0500, "Paul Schilter"
paulschilter@comcast dot net wrote:

Harry,
I can certainly agree with your privilege of not having hunters on your
property. If you wish to allow nature photographers then that's very
generous of you, perhaps more than I would be. I just make the point that
the deer herd does need a method of managing their numbers. Not only for our
sake (the motorist) but for theirs as well. If too many deer inhabit an area
they suffer from starvation and or malnourishment. People and wild life just
aren't too compatible, sort of a shame but that's what passes for progress.
I'm sure the Native Americans can confirm that.
Paul

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Paul Schilter wrote:
Harry,
In this neck of the woods (Michigan) We had some human fatalities
when motorists encounter deer. I'm not a hunter myself but I can see the
need for their work.
Paul

snipped


The fact that hunters kill deer doesn't result in an end to deer-car
encounters.

I simply don't want hunter/trespassers on my property, and neither do any
of my neighbors along this stretch of Chesapeake Bay. I have no objection
to anyone walking the woods who is armed with a camera.



The Coast Guard station just down the road had to euthanize about 25
deer this past year. The herd was just getting too big, and the young
were being found dead of starvation.

When we get rid of the natural predators, man must become the
predator.

John H

On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD,
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it."
Rene Descartes

Doug Kanter January 1st 05 01:26 AM


"RGrew176" wrote in message
...
From: Harry Krause


Doug Kanter wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...


2. I don't want to walk my woods and encounter empty beer cans, whiskey
bottles and fast food wrappers. I also don't want ATV idiots on my land,
or trail motorcycles.



Yeah....that's what ruined some prime trout fishing near me. The private
property along the creek was constantly littered with trash. I managed to
contact the owner and plead for permission to fish there, but his friends
still happen along every now and then and give me a hard time. Meanwhile,
I
go home with little pieces of monofilament in my pocket - the leftovers
from
knot tying. I don't even leave those.



About every six weeks, we get up a volunteer group to walk along the
state road near us and pick up all the trash the buttwipers toss out of
their cars. There are pigs everywhere.


Explain this to Tuuk, who thinks it's fantasy, the idea of collecting
monofilament in your pocket rather than leave it all over the woods.



Doug Kanter January 1st 05 05:15 AM


"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Doug Kanter wrote:
"RGrew176" wrote in message
...

From: Harry Krause

Doug Kanter wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...



2. I don't want to walk my woods and encounter empty beer cans, whiskey
bottles and fast food wrappers. I also don't want ATV idiots on my
land,
or trail motorcycles.



Yeah....that's what ruined some prime trout fishing near me. The private
property along the creek was constantly littered with trash. I managed
to
contact the owner and plead for permission to fish there, but his
friends
still happen along every now and then and give me a hard time.
Meanwhile, I
go home with little pieces of monofilament in my pocket - the leftovers
from
knot tying. I don't even leave those.



About every six weeks, we get up a volunteer group to walk along the
state road near us and pick up all the trash the buttwipers toss out of
their cars. There are pigs everywhere.



Explain this to Tuuk, who thinks it's fantasy, the idea of collecting
monofilament in your pocket rather than leave it all over the woods.

````


I wouldn't bet one could explain a "Dick and Jane" story to the Tuukster.
But if you are willing to take on the task, perhaps you might also explain
the consequences of "criminal trespass" to him.



Hey...I've almost got Dave Hall eating out of my hand. :-)




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