On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 10:36:11 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

~~ snippage ~~

I must also protest at the
evangelical designation as being somehow "bad". There are evangelical
denominations (or subsets if you will) of main branch faiths that
liberal in terms of social philosophy.

Yes, there are, but we're not talking about them, are we...

"We" weren't talking about them - You were lecturing me on a subject
that I've forgotten more about than you ever knew.

Let's just drop it and remain friendly.

Later,

Tom

Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
"We" weren't talking about them - You were lecturing me on a subject
that I've forgotten more about than you ever knew.


You mean like molecular microbiology and evolutionary science? Political
and economic history of Western (or Eastern, for that matter) theocracies?

;)

DSK

On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 18:48:45 -0500, DSK wrote:

Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
"We" weren't talking about them - You were lecturing me on a subject
that I've forgotten more about than you ever knew.


You mean like molecular microbiology and evolutionary science? Political
and economic history of Western (or Eastern, for that matter) theocracies?

;)

I have never claimed to be an expert in any of those subjects - those
are my opinions based on my own ideas, concepts and beliefs.

I resent your implication.

Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
I have never claimed to be an expert in any of those subjects

No, you just went on and on (and on and on) about how evolution "wasn't
proved" and that "Darwinism" was losing credence among real-live
full-fledged scientists... of whom you are close with several... etc etc.


... - those
are my opinions based on my own ideas, concepts and beliefs.

I resent your implication.

What, that you claim great expertise on certain subjects, and those
claims are rendered doubtful by your own statements? I apologize for
presenting you with the facts.

DSK

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I've visited several Moslem nations for short to extended periods,
including Egypt in the 1990s and Bangladesh in the 1970s.


How many have you been to since bin Laden declared war on the US in
1996?



One.


Which one?

Egypt.


I just saw that Egyptian patient of mine again yesterday. She brought
gifts from Egypt to me, my receptionist, and my dental assistant...but
not my hygienist. Ever since she found out my hygienist is Jewish, she
won't let her clean her teeth. Instead, she goes down the road to the
periodontist's hygienist just for the cleanings. I didn't realize how
bad it was until yesterday. My assistant and I were with another
patient, and this lady refused to let the hygienist even take an x-ray.
This is a lady who married an American, lived in Qatar during the first
Gulf War, took a picture alongside General Schwarzkoppf, and lives 6
months here and 6 months in Egypt. She is hardly an "extremist" by your
definition, but her views and actions sure seem pretty extreme to me.



Is there some requirement that your employees post their religious views
for patients to consider?


It came up in conversation. The patient asked what she was doing for
Christmas, and, well...



If she were my patient, I'd tell her to find another dentist for all of
her needs.

Probably a good idea...but I don't want a suicide bomber showing up later in
my reception area.

Jim H wrote:

1. Claiming that *right wing* radio calls the people of Islam
"Islamofascists", making it sound like a term used by most or many
*right
wing* radio programs. As it ends up only Sean Hannity has used that
term
according to you.


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You asked for an example of any right wing radio host who calls Muslims
"Islamofascists", not a complete list. I did not say he was the only
one.


JimH also wrote:

2. You claimed that Christians believe themselves to be good and see
the
people of Islam to be bad. You have yet to show any evidence of this.


************************************************** **************

You should experiment with paying attention. In response to that
statement, one of our more
vocal right wing Christians in the group basically replied, "What's the
matter, Gould, you have a problem with the truth or something?"


****

JimH also wrote:


3. You claimed that 99% of Islamic Countries are peace loving people
yet
cannot provide facts to support this claim.


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Don't be goofy. I said that 99% of Muslims are no threat to the United
States. Said nothing about "countries", and said nothing about "peace
loving." One can be warlike as all heck, throwing rocks and spears at a
neighboring tribe 24/7 in some country halfway around the world, and
not be a threat to the United States.

You have the right wing debate style down pretty well: completely
mischaracterize something said on the opposite side of the question and
then demand that the person you misquote defend the mischaracterized
position. Nice try.

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Jim H wrote:

1. Claiming that *right wing* radio calls the people of Islam
"Islamofascists", making it sound like a term used by most or many
*right
wing* radio programs. As it ends up only Sean Hannity has used that
term
according to you.


********

You asked for an example of any right wing radio host who calls Muslims
"Islamofascists", not a complete list. I did not say he was the only
one.


So who are the others? You made it sound like it is a common slur used by
those whose political views differ from yours.



JimH also wrote:

2. You claimed that Christians believe themselves to be good and see
the
people of Islam to be bad. You have yet to show any evidence of this.


************************************************** **************

You should experiment with paying attention. In response to that
statement, one of our more
vocal right wing Christians in the group basically replied, "What's the
matter, Gould, you have a problem with the truth or something?"


So? Does that then mean all or most feel the same way? Or are you just
generalizing again based on the response of one or two contributors here?



****

JimH also wrote:


3. You claimed that 99% of Islamic Countries are peace loving people
yet
cannot provide facts to support this claim.


***************************

Don't be goofy. I said that 99% of Muslims are no threat to the United
States. Said nothing about "countries", and said nothing about "peace
loving." One can be warlike as all heck, throwing rocks and spears at a
neighboring tribe 24/7 in some country halfway around the world, and
not be a threat to the United States.

You have the right wing debate style down pretty well: completely
mischaracterize something said on the opposite side of the question and
then demand that the person you misquote defend the mischaracterized
position. Nice try.


Actually I do not mischaracterize anything....that is why I normally keep
the entire thread in my reply rather than only including selective parts
such as you are now doing.

Regardless, I am still waiting for some proof from you that 99% of all
Muslims pose no threat to America.

The bottom line is you make up facts and figures, present them as truth and
use them to support your debate. When asked to support your claims are go
on the attack (e.g. your last paragraph above). You also seem to want to
label folks in general categories such as "right wing". I guess you are
forced to take the low road once cornered in a debate.

Nice try Chuck.