Nope, but I guess you have and I won't doubt you. Who are the *right wing*
talk show hosts using the term?

Sean Hannity has specifically used the term.

Michael Savage often makes disparaging remarks about Muslims in general, making
no attempt to separate an individual person's behavior from the worst available
examples of actions committed by persons sharing the same religious belief.
That's absurd, of course. If those Texas right wingers who were convicted of
dragging black people to death behind a pickup truck, or some of them, were
regularly in attendance at the local Baptist church on a Sunday morning, would
it be fair to say that such behavior was typical of all, or even most,
Christians?

Of course not.

Adolf Hitler was a member of the Catholic Church, and was in good standing -or
at least not excommunicated- right up until his death. Only a right wing
extremist like Osama bin Ladin would ever dare suggest that Hitler's actions
represented the thoughts, wishes, or philosophies of the largest Christian
sect.

So you would rather the truth be silenced in order to paint a more
"compassionate" image? If you look at most of the recent acts of
terrorism throughout the world in the last 10 years, what religion do
they all have in common?

So you believe:

We agree. The continuous insistence that America is a "Christian" nation
(and
therefore good) and that Islamic nations
are filled with godless terrorists (and therefore evil)

is true?

Thanks a lot. That helps me in my discussion with JimH who challenged me to
produce an example of somebody who actually thought that way. :-)

This is the lesson they need to learn. For a people to be truly free,
they cannot be held to the wishes of dictators posing as religious
leaders. For democracy to work means reducing the role of religion to
a personal level.

That's outrageous. Some religions cannot be separated from secular government.
Who are we to dictate to other nations how much influence the church should
have over daily public life? Ever hear of "freedom of religion"? That applies
to religions that create a more binding social structure.

How unusual to hear you championing the separation of church and state, when it
suits your purpose. It may also seem weird that I am endorsing the right of
people to include religion in secular government--but remember that when they
do so it is by their own free choice *and* they have no
legal provision against establishing an official state religion like we do in
the US.

Yea, it was more "stable" than what's there now. But was it "better"?


You might solicit opinions at the former site of Fallujah. :-)

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...

I've visited several Moslem nations for short to extended periods,
including Egypt in the 1990s and Bangladesh in the 1970s.

How many have you been to since bin Laden declared war on the US in 1996?

"Gould 0738" wrote in message
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Thousands of American groups, with millions of members. Just today I
came across such an organization, www.jihadwatch.org

Ever hear the term "Islamofascist" used on right wing talk radio? If
not, you haven't been listening.

********************


Nope, but I guess you have and I won't doubt you. Who are the *right
wing*
talk show hosts using the term?

Sean Hannity has specifically used the term.

My, my...how we like to generalize in order to make a point.

Still waiting for proof of your other claim that 99% of Islam is harmless to
America.


Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
I wouldn't say 99% - maybe 60% at the outside.

And you based this figure on what, exactly?


However, it is a political/theological religion and not in the least
bit secular in either concept - the two concepts are intertwined.

You should read a bit more, really.

*ALL* religion is heavily intertwined with politics. The *only* reason
that Christian sects are not theocratic dictatorships is that that wagon
has already rolled down the hill.

Churches have *never* once in all recorded history given up political
control of an area or a populace, nor has a religious gov't ever
accorded civil liberties to it's subjects. That is a developement of
secular thought, of whatever science exists in social & economic studies.


Face it - most of Islam is living in the 6th Century in terms of
political and religious concepts.

And the U.S. is backing up in that direction.


It's hard to deal with that.

Yep.

Intolerant, violent, religious whackos... of any faith... make bad
neighbors.

DSK

Sean Hannity has specifically used the term.

My, my...how we like to generalize in order to make a point.

Wrongo. You asked for the name of a right wing talk show host that refers to
Muslims as Islamofascists. I gave you a specific answer. That is not a
generalization. Sorry.

On 05 Jan 2005 16:29:12 GMT, (Gould 0738) wrote:

So you would rather the truth be silenced in order to paint a more
"compassionate" image? If you look at most of the recent acts of
terrorism throughout the world in the last 10 years, what religion do
they all have in common?

So you believe:

We agree. The continuous insistence that America is a "Christian" nation
(and
therefore good) and that Islamic nations
are filled with godless terrorists (and therefore evil)

is true?

Thanks a lot. That helps me in my discussion with JimH who challenged me to
produce an example of somebody who actually thought that way. :-)

I do not believe in absolutes. Christians are not "all good" and
Muslims are not "all evil". But there is no denying who is at the root
of the majority of terrorist actions over the last couple of decades.


This is the lesson they need to learn. For a people to be truly free,
they cannot be held to the wishes of dictators posing as religious
leaders. For democracy to work means reducing the role of religion to
a personal level.

That's outrageous. Some religions cannot be separated from secular government.

Sure they can. They just have to want to do it. We did it over 200
years ago.

Who are we to dictate to other nations how much influence the church should
have over daily public life? Ever hear of "freedom of religion"? That applies
to religions that create a more binding social structure.

I'm not saying we (the U.S.) should be the ones to force it. But the
citizens of the middle east need to be brought into the modern world,
and shown the fruits of democracy, so that they will bring about
change from within.

How unusual to hear you championing the separation of church and state, when it
suits your purpose.

Church and state should be separate to a degree. But that does not
preclude religious and moral influences on governmental decisions. You
need to stop thinking in an "all or nothing" binary mode. My views are
much more relative.


It may also seem weird that I am endorsing the right of
people to include religion in secular government

as long as it's not here?

--but remember that when they
do so it is by their own free choice *and* they have no
legal provision against establishing an official state religion like we do in
the US.

So we're both hypocrites? ;-)




Yea, it was more "stable" than what's there now. But was it "better"?


You might solicit opinions at the former site of Fallujah. :-)

You might get similar responses in 1939 Germany.....

Dave

"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...
Sean Hannity has specifically used the term.

My, my...how we like to generalize in order to make a point.

Wrongo. You asked for the name of a right wing talk show host that refers
to
Muslims as Islamofascists. I gave you a specific answer. That is not a
generalization. Sorry.

Sorry Chuckster. You made generalizations to support your opinions.

1. Claiming that *right wing* radio calls the people of Islam
"Islamofascists", making it sound like a term used by most or many *right
wing* radio programs. As it ends up only Sean Hannity has used that term
according to you.

2. You claimed that Christians believe themselves to be good and see the
people of Islam to be bad. You have yet to show any evidence of this.

3. You claimed that 99% of Islamic Countries are peace loving people yet
cannot provide facts to support this claim.

Using those assumptions and generalizations you went on to use them to
support your further opinions.

Yep, you indeed generalize and paint with a broad brush. This is certainly
not the first time I have seen you do this.

Sorry.

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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NOYB wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...


I've visited several Moslem nations for short to extended periods,
including Egypt in the 1990s and Bangladesh in the 1970s.


How many have you been to since bin Laden declared war on the US in 1996?



One.

Which one?

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...

NOYB wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...



I've visited several Moslem nations for short to extended periods,
including Egypt in the 1990s and Bangladesh in the 1970s.


How many have you been to since bin Laden declared war on the US in
1996?



One.


Which one?

Egypt.

I just saw that Egyptian patient of mine again yesterday. She brought gifts
from Egypt to me, my receptionist, and my dental assistant...but not my
hygienist. Ever since she found out my hygienist is Jewish, she won't let
her clean her teeth. Instead, she goes down the road to the periodontist's
hygienist just for the cleanings. I didn't realize how bad it was until
yesterday. My assistant and I were with another patient, and this lady
refused to let the hygienist even take an x-ray. This is a lady who married
an American, lived in Qatar during the first Gulf War, took a picture
alongside General Schwarzkoppf, and lives 6 months here and 6 months in
Egypt. She is hardly an "extremist" by your definition, but her views and
actions sure seem pretty extreme to me.