On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 08:40:59 -0500, Gary Warner wrote:


But how can the guy proove he was shot at first?

It seems to me, the two different accounts are varied and *detailed*
enough, that a good forensic team would be able to sort out which is the
more truthful. One thing that doesn't bode well for Vang, by his own
words, he chased down one man and shot him in the back. IMO, it would be
difficult to plead self-defense on that.

One thing that doesn't bode well for Vang, by his own
words, he chased down one man and shot him in the back. IMO, it would be
difficult to plead self-defense on that.

The guy was panicked, enraged, or both.
Still no excuse. My guess is the scenario probably developed like this;

1) group of hunters finds another hunter in their tree stand.

2) argument breaks out

3) hunters demanding tree stand say some ugly things, evicted hunter agrees to
leave.

4) somebody thinks it would be funny to fire a shot into the air, or into the
general direction of the retreating hunter (but well wide to miss) to see if it
would frighten him into a hastier, and more amusing exit.

5) evicted hunter interprets shot as an attack, returns fire.

6) firefight breaks out.

((why did none of the large group of hunters manage to hit their target? Aiming
through beer goggles? Who knows?))

7) evicted hunter goes "postal", is overcome by rage and blood lust, and
commits atrocities well beyond anything that could be justified as "self
defense".

If I were on the jury for a case like this, and the facts proved to be
consistent with my theoretical outline, I'd find a tiny speck of reasonable
doubt *might* exist up until the point where the large group of hunters fled
and the evicted hunter began chasing them down to kill the people he had missed
in the original gun battle.....

Even then, can you imagine what must have been going through the accused
hunter's mind as the large group was on their walkie-talkies and cell phones
calling in "reinforcements" and folks started arriving on ATV's to join in the
fray?

There's no excuse at all for what happened, but I think the story line "Gook
goes beserk and begins shooting down a bunch of good, white, Christian
Republicans without provocation" is extremely unlikely to be accurate. Did the
news report identify the ethnicity of the dead hunters? Does anybody *know*
whether any or all were white, or does that simply work as a device to fire up
an easily identified and stereotyped group?

News report I saw locally said the large group only had one gun between
them. I don't know if this was the first group or the enlarged group after
reinforcements arrived. If they were all armed...how come no one was able
to shoot back.
I always said give the deer a gun to shoot back. Obvious where the odds
would lie.

I always said give the deer a gun to shoot back. Obvious where the odds
would lie.

Al Cummmings, who wrote a bunch of cruising guidebooks years ago, once worked
as a radio DJ in Seattle.

One year, on the opening day of deer season, he put on a hollowed out trophy
head and stood next to one of our busy arterials with a rifle, pretending to
take aim at passing motorists. In the 60's this was funny. Somebody would gun
him down or call the Homeland Security forces on him these days.

"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...
I always said give the deer a gun to shoot back. Obvious where the odds
would lie.

Al Cummmings, who wrote a bunch of cruising guidebooks years ago, once
worked
as a radio DJ in Seattle.

One year, on the opening day of deer season, he put on a hollowed out
trophy
head and stood next to one of our busy arterials with a rifle, pretending
to
take aim at passing motorists. In the 60's this was funny. Somebody would
gun
him down or call the Homeland Security forces on him these days.

Wow! Up here the police put out deer & moose silhouettes trying to entice
poachers to take a shot. They get takers each year.

Wow! Up here the police put out deer & moose silhouettes trying to entice
poachers to take a shot. They get takers each year.

Easily defended, unless you have a specific season for silhouettes. :-)

On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 23:06:48 GMT, "Don White"
wrote:


"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...
I always said give the deer a gun to shoot back. Obvious where the odds
would lie.

Al Cummmings, who wrote a bunch of cruising guidebooks years ago, once
worked
as a radio DJ in Seattle.

One year, on the opening day of deer season, he put on a hollowed out
trophy
head and stood next to one of our busy arterials with a rifle, pretending
to
take aim at passing motorists. In the 60's this was funny. Somebody would
gun
him down or call the Homeland Security forces on him these days.

Wow! Up here the police put out deer & moose silhouettes trying to entice
poachers to take a shot. They get takers each year.

Our DEP has access to three choppers with some very sophisticated IR
and low light hardware. They set up motion sensors in restricted
areas (like my woods) to catch poachers. Once the sensors trigger,
it's relayed by satellite to Hartford and they dispatch a chopper.

Caught thirty last year (two in my woods).

Later,

Tom

Tom,
Doesn't the motion sensors get tripped by wildlife?
Paul

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 23:06:48 GMT, "Don White"
wrote:


"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...
I always said give the deer a gun to shoot back. Obvious where the
odds
would lie.

Al Cummmings, who wrote a bunch of cruising guidebooks years ago, once
worked
as a radio DJ in Seattle.

One year, on the opening day of deer season, he put on a hollowed out
trophy
head and stood next to one of our busy arterials with a rifle,
pretending
to
take aim at passing motorists. In the 60's this was funny. Somebody
would
gun
him down or call the Homeland Security forces on him these days.

Wow! Up here the police put out deer & moose silhouettes trying to entice
poachers to take a shot. They get takers each year.

Our DEP has access to three choppers with some very sophisticated IR
and low light hardware. They set up motion sensors in restricted
areas (like my woods) to catch poachers. Once the sensors trigger,
it's relayed by satellite to Hartford and they dispatch a chopper.

Caught thirty last year (two in my woods).

Later,

Tom

Gould 0738 wrote in message
...
I always said give the deer a gun to shoot back. Obvious where the odds
would lie.

Al Cummmings, who wrote a bunch of cruising guidebooks years ago, once
worked
as a radio DJ in Seattle.

One year, on the opening day of deer season, he put on a hollowed out
trophy
head and stood next to one of our busy arterials with a rifle, pretending
to
take aim at passing motorists. In the 60's this was funny. Somebody would
gun
him down or call the Homeland Security forces on him these days.


I think I told this story before, so for those that have heard it, delete,
delete.

It's another Mrs. E. story. By now you should all have a clear mental image
of this lady's personality.

Anyway, this occurred several years ago, when we were living in our first
house and still had young kids at home. It was November and our next door
neighbor was an avid hunter. One evening I arrived home from work only to
find Mrs. E. in near hysterics. She hussled me down to one of the bedrooms,
pointed at a window that faced our neighbor's yard and screamed, "Look!"

The neighbor who had obviously returned from a hunting trip had hung a
couple of gutted deer by their hind legs from a tree branch to drain. I am
not a hunter, and Mrs. E. is an animal lover, so she was screaming at me
that she was going to call the police, have the neighbor arrested, all kinds
of stuff.

I tried to calm her down and explained that although it was not pleasant, it
was perfectly legal and he was within his rights. I also explained the
draining process required before the meat was cut up and either frozen or
cooked. It took some doing, but finally she calmed down and accepted it for
what it was.

A few weeks later Mrs. E. decided it was time to decorate the house and yard
for Christmas. Again, I came home one day to find that she had purchased and
set up some of those white, wire deer lawn displays with the lights and all.
Later that evening, I happened to look out the bedroom window and saw
another wire deer, lights and all, hung by the rear legs on a tree in direct
view from our neighbor's house.

Eisboch

On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 23:15:06 GMT, "Eisboch"
wrote:


Gould 0738 wrote in message
...
I always said give the deer a gun to shoot back. Obvious where the odds
would lie.

Al Cummmings, who wrote a bunch of cruising guidebooks years ago, once
worked
as a radio DJ in Seattle.

One year, on the opening day of deer season, he put on a hollowed out
trophy
head and stood next to one of our busy arterials with a rifle, pretending
to
take aim at passing motorists. In the 60's this was funny. Somebody would
gun
him down or call the Homeland Security forces on him these days.


I think I told this story before, so for those that have heard it, delete,
delete.

It's another Mrs. E. story. By now you should all have a clear mental image
of this lady's personality.

Anyway, this occurred several years ago, when we were living in our first
house and still had young kids at home. It was November and our next door
neighbor was an avid hunter. One evening I arrived home from work only to
find Mrs. E. in near hysterics. She hussled me down to one of the bedrooms,
pointed at a window that faced our neighbor's yard and screamed, "Look!"

The neighbor who had obviously returned from a hunting trip had hung a
couple of gutted deer by their hind legs from a tree branch to drain. I am
not a hunter, and Mrs. E. is an animal lover, so she was screaming at me
that she was going to call the police, have the neighbor arrested, all kinds
of stuff.

I tried to calm her down and explained that although it was not pleasant, it
was perfectly legal and he was within his rights. I also explained the
draining process required before the meat was cut up and either frozen or
cooked. It took some doing, but finally she calmed down and accepted it for
what it was.

A few weeks later Mrs. E. decided it was time to decorate the house and yard
for Christmas. Again, I came home one day to find that she had purchased and
set up some of those white, wire deer lawn displays with the lights and all.
Later that evening, I happened to look out the bedroom window and saw
another wire deer, lights and all, hung by the rear legs on a tree in direct
view from our neighbor's house.

LOL!!!

Just out of curiosity, is Mrs. E a vegetarian?

Later,

Tom

"Beware the one legged man in a butt
kicking contest - he is there for a
reason."

Wun Hung Lo - date unknown