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If the 8 were armed they would have executed him and not the other way
around. Matt If the eight were unarmed, how the heck were they "hunting"? Get a bunch of guys staggering around in a beer buzz vs. one sober guy scared for his life. Evens the odds a bit. Then add the factor of some of your buddies getting killed when the intended victim of a cruel "joke" takes the shot seriously and begins firing back. If you aren't prepared to see people going down on both sides of you and you panic as a result, the odds are evened a bit more. All those missing weapons are likely squirreled away in the bushes someplace. How many people go hunting without a gun? Never heard of anybody doing that, except the stereotypical cheating husband. :-) |
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That part of the report is suspect. The part of the report about five
"hunters" with one gun is very suspect. I feel sorry for those people who got shot and who got killed, especially the ones who had nothing to do with threatening the Hmong who may have felt he was being surrounded "again" by more "reinforcements." If, indeed, he was shot at first, the guy that took that first shot (also first one to be killed) is partially responsible for the deaths of his friends. Sad and tragic. One can look at this as either a case for or against semi-automatic rifles with large capacity magazines. If this was a case of self-defense (initially, that is), then it was deadly unfortunate for the group of hunters to have picked on a single person, armed with a not-even-high-powered weapon, but nevertheless, well armed for the situation. If this was not a case of self-defense, then it was like that lunatic who killed several tourists in Tasmania that resulted in a nationwide ban on semi-autos and pump-actions. "Calif Bill" wrote in message nk.net... The unarmed hunters were coming because they got a radio call that someone had been shot. They were not out hunting when the call came. This according to the newspaper report. "Franko" wrote in message ... Several hunters with only one gun is suspect. Other hunters arriving at the scene supposedly without guns is suspect. Shooting eight, killing six, to defend yourself is suspect. I wonder what others would have done in his shoes: assuming what he stated was true about being surrounded and shot at, alone against a group of at least eight "hunters." "Matt Lang" wrote in message om... (steve) wrote in message . com... Suspect says hunters provoked him Vang says he was surrounded, called names and shot at before shootings By JOHN DIEDRICH, LEE BERGQUIST and TOM HELD Posted: Nov. 23, 2004 Hayward - The suspect arrested for shooting eight hunters, killing six of them, says he was surrounded by the group, called derogatory racial names and shot at before he opened fire, according to court records released today. Northwoods Shootings Suspect Chai Soua Vang, 36, of St. Paul, Minn., is suspected of shooting eight hunters, killing six of them. [massive snip] well a guy with a history of domestic and I even read gun invovled violence masacres 6 people (only ONE armed), some shot in the back. More unarmed people on ATV's arrive, they get executed as well. This isnt self defence. Even if they pulled the racial stuff on him, no reason to execute them all. This guy needs to be locked away for life also to warn people like him. Matt |
What a biased comment. Now we have drunken hunters, that tried to execute a
scared guy. It was early in the morning, as some were traveling in the dark to the deer stand. They find a guy in the stand who does not belong there and accost him. Whether they fired or not, the scared guy shoots a couple. And from the news report. They radio, probably on FRS radios that one of the people has been shot. Several of the "hunters" are still at the cabin and jump in ATV's to help the shot person. They could have assumed it was a hunting accident. They did not bring their guns along, as they were on a recue mission for an injured person. They left the guns at the cabin. They would still be called hunters, as they were at their property to hunt deer, and you would call them hunters even if they were in camp. And nowhere is there any mention of drunkeness. "Gould 0738" wrote in message ... If the 8 were armed they would have executed him and not the other way around. Matt If the eight were unarmed, how the heck were they "hunting"? Get a bunch of guys staggering around in a beer buzz vs. one sober guy scared for his life. Evens the odds a bit. Then add the factor of some of your buddies getting killed when the intended victim of a cruel "joke" takes the shot seriously and begins firing back. If you aren't prepared to see people going down on both sides of you and you panic as a result, the odds are evened a bit more. All those missing weapons are likely squirreled away in the bushes someplace. How many people go hunting without a gun? Never heard of anybody doing that, except the stereotypical cheating husband. :-) |
"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Calif Bill wrote: The unarmed hunters were coming because they got a radio call that someone had been shot. The unarmed hunters... What a great newsgroup this is. Makes more sense than your passed gas thoughts. They would be referred to as hunters, even if they were in camp. You, in your reporter days would have referred to them as hunters. I guess you were as incompetent as a reporter as you are at delivering Democratic party votes. |
"Calif Bill" wrote in message nk.net...
"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Calif Bill wrote: The unarmed hunters were coming because they got a radio call that someone had been shot. The unarmed hunters... What a great newsgroup this is. Makes more sense than your passed gas thoughts. They would be referred to as hunters, even if they were in camp. You, in your reporter days would have referred to them as hunters. I guess you were as incompetent as a reporter as you are at delivering Democratic party votes. real fishy here. some one got shot... call his hunter friends whho kjnew thhat some got shot... and thhose hhunters came running withh no gun in thheir hands... in thhe middle of the wood, deer hunting? where are all the guns? do they have gun? Or do they play smart to get that guy by telloing police that they are unarmed? Real fisshy here... rudolf |
"Matt Lang" wrote in message om... The guy takes off and maybe someone fired a shot or even close to him (no doubt wrong but NOT cold blooded murder). Then the guy with the violence history snaps and takes them all down with his semi auto (why the **** is he hunting with an assault weapon???? Isnt that one against him?). shots in the back, dying people finished and all. Can you provide the definition of an assault weapon? I keep hearing the term "military style assault weapon" in the media and by gun control proponents but, I don't understand the difference between a Remington Model 1200 carried by a civilian and a member of the armed forces. One is a hunting weapon and the other is killing weapon. |
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Also, they Hmung or whatever they are, do not resepect individual
private property rights as a culture, just to add a little perspective to your specualation... Certainly no racial bias evident in a statement like that...... And it is all speculation from all sides. A "he said vs. he said". Nobody discussing this has made a blanket statement that any facts or representations are irrefutable. It's all theoretical at this point. |
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