"Paul Skoczylas" wrote in message news:gssod.176803$df2.33143@edtnps89...
"Dan O'Connell" wrote in message
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This may be off topic (LOL) but does anyone have a favorite brand of very
cold water/airtemp paddling gloves. I bought a pair of Marmot
windproof/water resistant gloves this week..and froze the instant they got
wet. Is neoprene the best...etc? I also have super lightweight
pogies/mambas...so coupled with something else thinner and with tacky grip
may be my goal? Thanks in advance...this group always has the best advice
as usual....Dan O


NRS Toaster Mitts.

Yep, I second the paddling mittens!

From my site:

The problem with pogies is that they usually either require teeth or
the help of someone else to get your hands in them. If you do get your
hands in them easily, so will the water... Pogies are of no use when
you need to scout a rapid, as they stay attached to a paddle. I also
find that when I need to get my hands out to grab someone or
something, they get so cold so quickly that I lose some of the control
in that hand. It's also not easy to get your hand back into them if
you need to get your hand back in in the middle of a rapid.

I have a pair of Walmart neoprene hunting gloves, but they are only
used for when I handpaddle in the winter. The fingers are encased
seperately, keeping them less warm. The fingers cannot touch the
paddle, making you involuntarily grip your paddle harder, tiring your
fingers. If you use gloves that don't have pre-bent fingers, you're
also forcing your fingers to push against the neoprene even more,
trying to keep them around the paddle shaft. I also find that with
gloves I can't feel the buttons on my waterproof camera, which results
in pictures not being taken. Plenty of reason for me not to use gloves
when paddling with a normal paddle.

Pre bent open palm mittens circumvent the problems of both gloves as
well as pogies:

You keep all your fingers together, keeping them warmer. You keep in
direct touch with your paddle, keeping better control, and not having
to squeeze extra hard to keep a hold of your paddle. You get to keep
your hands warm, even if you go for a swim, lose your paddle or when
you're scouting a rapid. You don't have to fight against the straight
glove fingers keeping your fingers around the paddle shaft. It's also
easy to pull one or more of your fingers free of the end of the
mittens, so that taking pictures is rather easy.

Whatever you chose to go paddling with, make sure that you can still
find and use the panic loop of your spraydeck with them! BT Regular
David Mackintosh got very close to dying in the spring of 2002 when he
got stuck upside down in a nasty hole and he couldn't pull his
spraydeck with his surfer's mittens.


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Dan O'Connell wrote:
: This may be off topic (LOL) but does anyone have a favorite brand of very
: cold water/airtemp paddling gloves. I bought a pair of Marmot
: windproof/water resistant gloves this week..and froze the instant they got
: wet. Is neoprene the best...etc? I also have super lightweight
: pogies/mambas...so coupled with something else thinner and with tacky grip
: may be my goal? Thanks in advance...this group always has the best advice
: as usual....Dan O

Well, I just keep a pair of whatever brand neoprene gloves REI sells and a
pair of fleece gloves with me when its cold. Use a pelican box or something
to keep them dry...

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Dan O'Connell wrote:
This may be off topic (LOL) but does anyone have a favorite brand of very
cold water/airtemp paddling gloves. I bought a pair of Marmot
windproof/water resistant gloves this week..and froze the instant they got
wet. Is neoprene the best...etc? I also have super lightweight
pogies/mambas...so coupled with something else thinner and with tacky grip
may be my goal? Thanks in advance...this group always has the best advice
as usual....Dan O

For air/water temps above 50, I wear 3mm neoprene gloves. I haven't
found much difference between brands and the $15 Stearns gloves are as
good as any. None of them last me more than a season, anyway.

When temps go below 50, I switch to Nordic Blue dry gloves with
Smartwool liners.

"Brian Nystrom" wrote in message
...
Dan O'Connell wrote:
This may be off topic (LOL) but does anyone have a favorite brand of
very
cold water/airtemp paddling gloves. I bought a pair of Marmot
windproof/water resistant gloves this week..and froze the instant they
got
wet. Is neoprene the best...etc? I also have super lightweight
pogies/mambas...so coupled with something else thinner and with tacky
grip
may be my goal? Thanks in advance...this group always has the best
advice
as usual....Dan O

For air/water temps above 50, I wear 3mm neoprene gloves. I haven't
found much difference between brands and the $15 Stearns gloves are as
good as any. None of them last me more than a season, anyway.

When temps go below 50, I switch to Nordic Blue dry gloves with
Smartwool liners.
Brian...Which cuffs do you have? I have seals at the wrists of my semi dry
top...recommendation?? Removing the liner and using Smart Wool...which
model would be the easiest to put on...if I do that?
http://www.nordic-blue.com/butik/index.asp?sp=eThis is for air temps to the
mid twenties and a water temp of thirty (Minnesota!) btw...My favorite in
my fleet is my Pintail (read your other post on VCP, CD, P&H)...maneuverable
is an understatement...and pure fun! Dan O

"Dan O'Connell" wrote in message
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"Brian Nystrom" wrote in message
...
Dan O'Connell wrote:
This may be off topic (LOL) but does anyone have a favorite brand of
very
cold water/airtemp paddling gloves. I bought a pair of Marmot
windproof/water resistant gloves this week..and froze the instant they
got
wet. Is neoprene the best...etc? I also have super lightweight
pogies/mambas...so coupled with something else thinner and with tacky
grip
may be my goal? Thanks in advance...this group always has the best
advice
as usual....Dan O

For air/water temps above 50, I wear 3mm neoprene gloves. I haven't
found much difference between brands and the $15 Stearns gloves are as
good as any. None of them last me more than a season, anyway.

When temps go below 50, I switch to Nordic Blue dry gloves with
Smartwool liners.
Brian...Which cuffs do you have? I have seals at the wrists of my semi
dry
top...recommendation?? Removing the liner and using Smart Wool...which
model would be the easiest to put on...if I do that?
http://www.nordic-blue.com/butik/index.asp?sp=eThis is for air temps to
the
mid twenties and a water temp of thirty (Minnesota!) btw...My favorite in
my fleet is my Pintail (read your other post on VCP, CD,
P&H)...maneuverable
is an understatement...and pure fun! Dan O
whoops...the correct link http://www.nordic-blue.com/butik/index.asp?sp=e
...sorry!

Dan O'Connell wrote:
"Dan O'Connell" wrote in message
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"Brian Nystrom" wrote in message
...

Dan O'Connell wrote:

This may be off topic (LOL) but does anyone have a favorite brand of

very

cold water/airtemp paddling gloves. I bought a pair of Marmot
windproof/water resistant gloves this week..and froze the instant they

got

wet. Is neoprene the best...etc? I also have super lightweight
pogies/mambas...so coupled with something else thinner and with tacky

grip

may be my goal? Thanks in advance...this group always has the best

advice

as usual....Dan O

For air/water temps above 50, I wear 3mm neoprene gloves. I haven't
found much difference between brands and the $15 Stearns gloves are as
good as any. None of them last me more than a season, anyway.

When temps go below 50, I switch to Nordic Blue dry gloves with
Smartwool liners.

Brian...Which cuffs do you have? I have seals at the wrists of my semi

dry

top...recommendation?? Removing the liner and using Smart Wool...which
model would be the easiest to put on...if I do that?
http://www.nordic-blue.com/butik/index.asp?sp=eThis is for air temps to

the

mid twenties and a water temp of thirty (Minnesota!) btw...My favorite in
my fleet is my Pintail (read your other post on VCP, CD,

P&H)...maneuverable

is an understatement...and pure fun! Dan O

whoops...the correct link http://www.nordic-blue.com/butik/index.asp?sp=e
..sorry!

I've got the Model 302 with the standard conical latex seals. They're in
the middle of the photo in the link above. While the the models with the
rings look intriguing, they have one huge disadvantage; you can't take
off the gloves without compromising the sealing of your dry suit.

The liners I use a just plain ol' Smartwool gloves with the extended
cuff removed so it can't get under the seal. How warm they'll keep you
is hard to say. My hands get cold pretty easy, so I'm not a good person
to ask. For really cold temps, mitts (such as Brooks) should be much
warmer, but I don't like their lack of feel and dexterity. Since I
paddle with a Greenland stick, pogies are not an option, but I know a
lot of people who swear by them in conjunction with gloves for really
cold weather.

Pintails ROOL, Dood!