"John H" wrote in message
...

Bass, where did any Conservative say that war is grand? Did someone
honestly say that, or was that comment simply to attract attention?
You could attract attention with a current story just as easily. My
son-in-law lost one of his best friends on Christmas eve in Baghdad.
Do you think that makes me feel 'war is grand'?

Hope you had a good Christmas. I hope your search for the worst you
could find didn't affect your day.


John H

Perhaps he's reacting to tripe like NOYB, who keeps repeating that we ought
to bomb Syria, Jordan, etc etc etc just as soon as the president's boys feel
like it.

On Fri, 26 Dec 2003 15:31:21 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

"John H" wrote in message
.. .

Bass, where did any Conservative say that war is grand? Did someone
honestly say that, or was that comment simply to attract attention?
You could attract attention with a current story just as easily. My
son-in-law lost one of his best friends on Christmas eve in Baghdad.
Do you think that makes me feel 'war is grand'?

Hope you had a good Christmas. I hope your search for the worst you
could find didn't affect your day.

Perhaps he's reacting to tripe like NOYB, who keeps repeating that we ought
to bomb Syria, Jordan, etc etc etc just as soon as the president's boys feel
like it.

Wait a second... Harry said that also. Now he's a conservative?

Steve

"Steven Shelikoff" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 26 Dec 2003 15:31:21 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

"John H" wrote in message
.. .

Bass, where did any Conservative say that war is grand? Did someone
honestly say that, or was that comment simply to attract attention?
You could attract attention with a current story just as easily. My
son-in-law lost one of his best friends on Christmas eve in Baghdad.
Do you think that makes me feel 'war is grand'?

Hope you had a good Christmas. I hope your search for the worst you
could find didn't affect your day.

Perhaps he's reacting to tripe like NOYB, who keeps repeating that we
ought
to bomb Syria, Jordan, etc etc etc just as soon as the president's boys
feel
like it.

Wait a second... Harry said that also. Now he's a conservative?

Steve

I suspect that if you see Harry say this, he's being exquisitely sarcastic.
NOYB, however, isn't kidding at all. Of course, that'll change the moment
one of his kids is old enough to join the military.

On Sat, 27 Dec 2003 06:22:32 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

"Steven Shelikoff" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 26 Dec 2003 15:31:21 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

"John H" wrote in message
.. .

Bass, where did any Conservative say that war is grand? Did someone
honestly say that, or was that comment simply to attract attention?
You could attract attention with a current story just as easily. My
son-in-law lost one of his best friends on Christmas eve in Baghdad.
Do you think that makes me feel 'war is grand'?

Hope you had a good Christmas. I hope your search for the worst you
could find didn't affect your day.

Perhaps he's reacting to tripe like NOYB, who keeps repeating that we
ought
to bomb Syria, Jordan, etc etc etc just as soon as the president's boys
feel
like it.

Wait a second... Harry said that also. Now he's a conservative?

Steve

I suspect that if you see Harry say this, he's being exquisitely sarcastic.
NOYB, however, isn't kidding at all. Of course, that'll change the moment
one of his kids is old enough to join the military.

Actually it was the other way. Harry was not being sarcastic. NOYB
probably was.

Steve

"Steven Shelikoff" wrote in message
...

I suspect that if you see Harry say this, he's being exquisitely
sarcastic.
NOYB, however, isn't kidding at all. Of course, that'll change the moment
one of his kids is old enough to join the military.

Actually it was the other way. Harry was not being sarcastic. NOYB
probably was.

Steve

Watch carefully. NOYB repeats this idea a few times a week in various
discussions. Either he's just monkeying with the assembled masses, or he
actually believes his spew. My theory: 10% of the time, it's the former, and
90% the latter.

Doug Kanter wrote:

"Steven Shelikoff" wrote in message
...

I suspect that if you see Harry say this, he's being exquisitely
sarcastic.
NOYB, however, isn't kidding at all. Of course, that'll change the moment
one of his kids is old enough to join the military.

Actually it was the other way. Harry was not being sarcastic. NOYB
probably was.

Steve

Watch carefully. NOYB repeats this idea a few times a week in various
discussions. Either he's just monkeying with the assembled masses, or he
actually believes his spew. My theory: 10% of the time, it's the former, and
90% the latter.



I don't know what your reference is, but, immediately after 9-11, when
we were *told* by our government that Afghanistan as a government and a
country was directly involved, I suggested we nuke the country. In short
order, facts began rolling in and I changed my mind, and stated that
fact, since it became apparent that terrorist cells, and not the people
or at that time the practically non-existent government of Afghanistan
were involved. In other words, a foreign country had not declared war on us.

As the 9-11 story has evolved, it has become more apparent that those
terrorists as people aren't really any different than our home-grown
terrorists, like, for example, Tim McVeigh, or the abortion clinic
bombers, or any of the other violent right-wingers who poison our
humanity. The 9-11 folks are simply better funded and better organized.
But they are cut from the same right-wing, conservative cloth.

I always get a kick out of the rabid righties here who will point out
something political I may have posted a year ago or five years ago and
gleefully state that I must be a hypocrite because I have changed my mind.

Well, folks, the fact that I can change my mind and do means that I am
the exact opposite of a hypocrite. Further, I do not suffer from a rigid
personality. While I am not the smartest bear in the woods, nor the most
highly educated, nor the most experienced, I am pretty bright, I have
had a good education (which continues) and I have experienced a lot of
what life has to offer, good and bad.

I used to admire some "conservatives" in America because of their brain
power, their personal accomplishments, and what they had done for
society. I liked Truman, I liked Eisenhower, I had an overwhelming
fondness for Barry Goldwater, I like Gerry Ford, I like Bob Dole. Hell,
I even voted for some Republicans and, in fact, was *reared* a
Republican by my mother and while in public school got involved in one
of the campaigns to help re-elect Prescott Bush.

But the generation of conservatives that came in with Reagan, they're
out only for themselves, they're selfish, they're users, they're only
interested in lining their pockets and getting away with as much as they
possibly can. They have come damned close to absolutely ruining this
country and dissolvings its freedoms. They're dirty, they want to dirty
the air, the water, religion, the social contract - you name it and the
new conservatives have trashed it or are turning it into trash.

George W. Bush is their puppet. I'm not even sure he is smart enough to
be held responsible for his own actions. But for the moment, he's the
man. With God's help, we'll survive him and move on. If the rest of the
world lets us.

And as for the new conservatives, the mindless, goose-stepping masses of
them?

They can go **** themselves.









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On Sat, 27 Dec 2003 09:58:30 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

Doug Kanter wrote:

"Steven Shelikoff" wrote in message
...

I suspect that if you see Harry say this, he's being exquisitely
sarcastic.
NOYB, however, isn't kidding at all. Of course, that'll change the moment
one of his kids is old enough to join the military.

Actually it was the other way. Harry was not being sarcastic. NOYB
probably was.

Steve

Watch carefully. NOYB repeats this idea a few times a week in various
discussions. Either he's just monkeying with the assembled masses, or he
actually believes his spew. My theory: 10% of the time, it's the former, and
90% the latter.

I don't know what your reference is, but, immediately after 9-11, when
we were *told* by our government that Afghanistan as a government and a
country was directly involved, I suggested we nuke the country. In short
order, facts began rolling in and I changed my mind, and stated that

The simple fact that you seriously suggested that we nuke Afghanistan
when you thought that they, as a government and country, were directly
involved is what I was talking about. On the other hand, I believe that
even if it were Afghani military fighter planes that somehow flew into
the WTC, Pentagon and a field in PA, it still wouldn't justify nuking
the country.

[...]

I always get a kick out of the rabid righties here who will point out
something political I may have posted a year ago or five years ago and
gleefully state that I must be a hypocrite because I have changed my mind.

You changed your mind about nuking Afghanistan when you found out that
the government didn't directly execute the attacks. You haven't said
you changed your mind about nuking the country if it turned out that
there were directly involved in the attacks.

Steve

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
-
And as for the new conservatives, the mindless, goose-stepping masses of
them?

They can go **** themselves.

It's much more satisfying to **** with you.

On Sat, 27 Dec 2003 14:25:24 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

"Steven Shelikoff" wrote in message
...

I suspect that if you see Harry say this, he's being exquisitely
sarcastic.
NOYB, however, isn't kidding at all. Of course, that'll change the moment
one of his kids is old enough to join the military.

Actually it was the other way. Harry was not being sarcastic. NOYB
probably was.

Steve

Watch carefully. NOYB repeats this idea a few times a week in various
discussions. Either he's just monkeying with the assembled masses, or he
actually believes his spew. My theory: 10% of the time, it's the former, and
90% the latter.

He's monkeying with the masses, and it worked

John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

He's monkeying with the masses, and it worked

He's repeating the company line. Most of his heroes are listed at
www.newamericancentury.org

Check out their admitted agenda. It explains a lot.