On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 11:44:43 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
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"JohnH" wrote in message
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On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 20:47:16 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
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"JohnH" wrote in message
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On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 13:22:32 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
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"Dave Hall" wrote in message
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On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 18:44:54 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
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And your son was in his late 20's?

If he was an adolescent, and he wasn't interested in the boobs,
then
he was either too embarrassed to let you know, or he's just not
very
interested in females (IMHO).

He wasn't raised by a television like so many other kids.

AH! Now you know the point of this whole issue.

He prefers reality.

And that's good for you as a parent, and him as a person who will
likely become a responsible adult. Some people mature early on, and
can handle the reality of the adult world, and make decisions based
on
the big picture. Many other kids, though, are empty of guiding
principles, and will lock on to whatever is handy, and too often
that
is the TV. You say that the chaperoning the TV is the parent's job.
But the parents are often not responsible themselves, or cannot be
there at every point, or when they are at their friend's homes.

Isn't this interesting? I have a kid with "guiding principles", and it
somehow happened without religion. Remarkable.


Could it be that your son received his "guiding principles" from
parents who had received "guiding principles" from their parents?

Or has your entire life been devoid of anything religious?

Pretty much. My parents waited till I was 7 or 8 to start attending
synagogue. You can't wait that long to start brainwashing kids. You have
to
start when they're small so they have no choice. Otherwise, they have to
find it themselves later in life if they choose to do so. So, by the time
they got me there, I was skilled at shutting it off. They gave up by the
time I was 12.


So your parents passed on pretty much nothing in the way of "guiding
principles" to you? I said nothing about 'brainwashing' in the
synagogue.

I'll answer that with a question: Is religion the only way to learn how to
live a good life?

That's not an answer, that's a subject change to avoid an answer.

John H

On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD,
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

"JohnH" wrote in message
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On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 11:44:43 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:


"JohnH" wrote in message
news
On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 20:47:16 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:


"JohnH" wrote in message
.. .
On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 13:22:32 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:


"Dave Hall" wrote in message
.. .
On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 18:44:54 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:


And your son was in his late 20's?

If he was an adolescent, and he wasn't interested in the
boobs,
then
he was either too embarrassed to let you know, or he's just
not
very
interested in females (IMHO).

He wasn't raised by a television like so many other kids.

AH! Now you know the point of this whole issue.

He prefers reality.

And that's good for you as a parent, and him as a person who will
likely become a responsible adult. Some people mature early on,
and
can handle the reality of the adult world, and make decisions
based
on
the big picture. Many other kids, though, are empty of guiding
principles, and will lock on to whatever is handy, and too often
that
is the TV. You say that the chaperoning the TV is the parent's
job.
But the parents are often not responsible themselves, or cannot
be
there at every point, or when they are at their friend's homes.

Isn't this interesting? I have a kid with "guiding principles", and
it
somehow happened without religion. Remarkable.


Could it be that your son received his "guiding principles" from
parents who had received "guiding principles" from their parents?

Or has your entire life been devoid of anything religious?

Pretty much. My parents waited till I was 7 or 8 to start attending
synagogue. You can't wait that long to start brainwashing kids. You
have
to
start when they're small so they have no choice. Otherwise, they have
to
find it themselves later in life if they choose to do so. So, by the
time
they got me there, I was skilled at shutting it off. They gave up by
the
time I was 12.


So your parents passed on pretty much nothing in the way of "guiding
principles" to you? I said nothing about 'brainwashing' in the
synagogue.

I'll answer that with a question: Is religion the only way to learn how
to
live a good life?

That's not an answer, that's a subject change to avoid an answer.

John H

It most certainly is not. You're working on the assumption that living a
certain way requires a kick in the ass from religion or some other outside
source. I'm leading your around by the nose until you 'fess up and admit how
silly that is. You don't like being led around by the nose, but I'm not done
yet.

On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 21:55:07 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:


"JohnH" wrote in message
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On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 11:44:43 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:


"JohnH" wrote in message
news On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 20:47:16 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:


"JohnH" wrote in message
.. .
On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 13:22:32 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:


"Dave Hall" wrote in message
.. .
On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 18:44:54 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:


And your son was in his late 20's?

If he was an adolescent, and he wasn't interested in the
boobs,
then
he was either too embarrassed to let you know, or he's just
not
very
interested in females (IMHO).

He wasn't raised by a television like so many other kids.

AH! Now you know the point of this whole issue.

He prefers reality.

And that's good for you as a parent, and him as a person who will
likely become a responsible adult. Some people mature early on,
and
can handle the reality of the adult world, and make decisions
based
on
the big picture. Many other kids, though, are empty of guiding
principles, and will lock on to whatever is handy, and too often
that
is the TV. You say that the chaperoning the TV is the parent's
job.
But the parents are often not responsible themselves, or cannot
be
there at every point, or when they are at their friend's homes.

Isn't this interesting? I have a kid with "guiding principles", and
it
somehow happened without religion. Remarkable.


Could it be that your son received his "guiding principles" from
parents who had received "guiding principles" from their parents?

Or has your entire life been devoid of anything religious?

Pretty much. My parents waited till I was 7 or 8 to start attending
synagogue. You can't wait that long to start brainwashing kids. You
have
to
start when they're small so they have no choice. Otherwise, they have
to
find it themselves later in life if they choose to do so. So, by the
time
they got me there, I was skilled at shutting it off. They gave up by
the
time I was 12.


So your parents passed on pretty much nothing in the way of "guiding
principles" to you? I said nothing about 'brainwashing' in the
synagogue.

I'll answer that with a question: Is religion the only way to learn how
to
live a good life?

That's not an answer, that's a subject change to avoid an answer.

John H

It most certainly is not. You're working on the assumption that living a
certain way requires a kick in the ass from religion or some other outside
source. I'm leading your around by the nose until you 'fess up and admit how
silly that is. You don't like being led around by the nose, but I'm not done
yet.


I'm neither working on, nor have made, any assumptions. I've also not
said anything about a requirement for religion. You stated that you
have a kid with "guiding principles" that happened without religion.
You won't admit that you received any guiding principles from your
parents, who were religious. (You stated your father was Jewish, and
was 'ostracized' for it.)

You're too shallow to admit that religion *did* play a part in your
guiding principle, the ones you've passed on to your son.

End of discussion.
John H

On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD,
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

"JohnH" wrote in message
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I'll answer that with a question: Is religion the only way to learn
how
to
live a good life?

That's not an answer, that's a subject change to avoid an answer.

John H

It most certainly is not. You're working on the assumption that living a
certain way requires a kick in the ass from religion or some other
outside
source. I'm leading your around by the nose until you 'fess up and admit
how
silly that is. You don't like being led around by the nose, but I'm not
done
yet.


I'm neither working on, nor have made, any assumptions. I've also not
said anything about a requirement for religion. You stated that you
have a kid with "guiding principles" that happened without religion.
You won't admit that you received any guiding principles from your
parents, who were religious. (You stated your father was Jewish, and
was 'ostracized' for it.)

You're too shallow to admit that religion *did* play a part in your
guiding principle, the ones you've passed on to your son.

You got me, John. Under the influence of one Jack Daniels on the rocks while
washing the dishes, I realized something. One of the most important tenets
of Judaism is that no matter where you live, it's your duty to be the best
citizen you can be. I passed that on to my son. He's endlessly dismayed by
Bush, but it's given him hope that the smart will, at some point, inherit
the earth.

On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 23:25:02 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

"JohnH" wrote in message
.. .


I'll answer that with a question: Is religion the only way to learn
how
to
live a good life?

That's not an answer, that's a subject change to avoid an answer.

John H

It most certainly is not. You're working on the assumption that living a
certain way requires a kick in the ass from religion or some other
outside
source. I'm leading your around by the nose until you 'fess up and admit
how
silly that is. You don't like being led around by the nose, but I'm not
done
yet.


I'm neither working on, nor have made, any assumptions. I've also not
said anything about a requirement for religion. You stated that you
have a kid with "guiding principles" that happened without religion.
You won't admit that you received any guiding principles from your
parents, who were religious. (You stated your father was Jewish, and
was 'ostracized' for it.)

You're too shallow to admit that religion *did* play a part in your
guiding principle, the ones you've passed on to your son.

You got me, John. Under the influence of one Jack Daniels on the rocks while
washing the dishes, I realized something. One of the most important tenets
of Judaism is that no matter where you live, it's your duty to be the best
citizen you can be. I passed that on to my son. He's endlessly dismayed by
Bush, but it's given him hope that the smart will, at some point, inherit
the earth.


You're a good man. And that tenet of Judaism is a worthwhile goal for
all of us.

John H

On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD,
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!