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OT Europeans on re-election
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"basskisser" wrote in message The Europeans are wondering how 59,054,087 people can be so dumb. Yup. And up until the collapse of the USSR about 15 years ago, The Europeans were wondering how they could best ensure that the Americans would stick around to cover their butts. |
"basskisser" wrote in message (11-04) 10:50 PST LONDON (AP) -- The re-election of President Bush dominated British newspapers Thursday, and many cast impartiality aside in reporting the result. the liberal Daily Mirror ..... "U.S. election disaster." The Independent... "Four more years" The left-leaning Guardian.... Bush's victory "catapaulted liberal Britain into collective depression." These three rags, iirc, also would rush into print the latest available photo of Princess Diana topless aboard a yacht. Truly classy outfits. Across Europe, many newspapers expressed dismay at the prospect of another term for Bush, a president often regarded as inflexible and unilateralist. Just "...often..."? ....a sea-change in U.S. politics, a victory for neo-conservatives and the religious right. ...."America's moral majority sweeps Bush back into the White House," I guess they got the talking points memo from the DNC. Keep up all the excuses and rationalizations. Anything to avoid facing reality. |
"John Gaquin" wrote in message ... "basskisser" wrote in message The Europeans are wondering how 59,054,087 people can be so dumb. Yup. And up until the collapse of the USSR about 15 years ago, The Europeans were wondering how they could best ensure that the Americans would stick around to cover their butts. The conservatives in the US are wondering why the europeans are satisfied with unemployment in the 8-10% range.......asslicker once again shows why he is the king of the NG idiots. |
I have often silently wondered the same. Should we not have covertly backed
Saddam until he exterminated *all* of radical Islam? Then we could take him out with a plan 20 years in the making. -W "Calif Bill" wrote in message news:ooZid.6159 When we were in the Cinque Terre a couple of weeks ago, the hotel owner said an interesting thing. He said we should not have removed Saddam. We should have armed him even more, so he could kill more Muslims. Send him after Iran. You do realize that there is not a lot of love for Muslim's over there. |
On Fri, 05 Nov 2004 05:08:04 -0800, basskisser wrote:
The Europeans are wondering how 59,054,087 people can be so dumb. I personally don't think they ALL were dumb, most are just typical righties, in that they can't think outside of the box, and must goose step to the party, right or wrong. Good for us, in a way... Although the US stock market rose after the election, the US dollar TANKED compared to other currencies: The Canadian dollar rose over a cent compared to it in one day, and it's still going up. Go, Looney! (I don't care that it's killing our exports...) Lloyd Sumpter Canadian |
John S wrote in message . ..
On 5 Nov 2004 05:08:04 -0800, atl_man2@a href="http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=1&k=yahoo%20com" onmouseover="window.status='yahoo.com'; return true;" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;"yahoo.com/a (basskisser) wrote: The Europeans are wondering how 59,054,087 people can be so dumb. I personally don't think they ALL were dumb, most are just typical righties, in that they can't think outside of the box, and must goose step to the party, right or wrong. Who in their right mind wants to be like the Europeans? There is and will always be a big difference. America has values. Regards John s What to HELL makes you think that Europeans DON'T have values??? |
"P. Fritz" wrote in message ...
"John Gaquin" wrote in message ... "basskisser" atl_man2@a href="http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=1&k=yahoo%20com" onmouseover="window.status='yahoo.com'; return true;" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;"yahoo.com/a wrote in message The Europeans are wondering how 59,054,087 people can be so dumb. Yup. And up until the collapse of the USSR about 15 years ago, The Europeans were wondering how they could best ensure that the Americans would stick around to cover their butts. The conservatives in the US are wondering why the europeans are satisfied with unemployment in the 8-10% range.......asslicker once again shows why he is the king of the NG idiots. Another example of Fritz's pathetic name calling. He's so bitter that that's all he can muster. Nothing at all to interject, except that childish crap. Oh, and many, many European countries have unemployement far below "the 8 - 10% range. Maybe, because of your bitter approach to life since your divorce, you can't understand simple bar charts? |
"John Gaquin" wrote in message ...
"basskisser" atl_man2@a href="http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=1&k=yahoo%20com" onmouseover="window.status='yahoo.com'; return true;" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;"yahoo.com/a wrote in message (11-04) 10:50 PST LONDON (AP) -- The re-election of President Bush dominated British newspapers Thursday, and many cast impartiality aside in reporting the result. the liberal Daily Mirror ..... "U.S. election disaster." The Independent... "Four more years" The left-leaning Guardian.... Bush's victory "catapaulted liberal Britain into collective depression." These three rags, iirc, also would rush into print the latest available photo of Princess Diana topless aboard a yacht. Truly classy outfits. In your eyes, that automatically makes their statements untrue? Across Europe, many newspapers expressed dismay at the prospect of another term for Bush, a president often regarded as inflexible and unilateralist. Just "...often..."? ....a sea-change in U.S. politics, a victory for neo-conservatives and the religious right. ...."America's moral majority sweeps Bush back into the White House," I guess they got the talking points memo from the DNC. Keep up all the excuses and rationalizations. Anything to avoid facing reality. |
"basskisser" wrote in message These three rags, iirc, also would rush into print the latest available photo of Princess Diana topless aboard a yacht. Truly classy outfits. In your eyes, that automatically makes their statements untrue? Not at all. It simply means that any statement printed therein must be independently corroborated prior to a grant of credibility. They are publishing whores, not journalists with standards [a term some may consider oxymoronic]. |
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.. What happened to the niceness of yesterday? I thought we were going to have some peace and harmony around here. John H Attention deficit disorder |
On Fri, 05 Nov 2004 19:42:16 -0500, John S wrote:
On 5 Nov 2004 05:08:04 -0800, (basskisser) wrote: The Europeans are wondering how 59,054,087 people can be so dumb. I personally don't think they ALL were dumb, most are just typical righties, in that they can't think outside of the box, and must goose step to the party, right or wrong. Who in their right mind wants to be like the Europeans? There is and will always be a big difference. America has values. Regards John s Kerry shot his goose in Ohio and had it cooked there too! I hereby retract this post for the good of this group. I posted it before the truce. Now that a truce has been declared and we'll be getting back on topic and having pleasant conversations, I don't want my previous post to be offensive. My comments are withdrawn! Regards John S I would rather be boating! |
"John S" wrote in message ... On Fri, 05 Nov 2004 19:42:16 -0500, John S wrote: On 5 Nov 2004 05:08:04 -0800, (basskisser) wrote: The Europeans are wondering how 59,054,087 people can be so dumb. I personally don't think they ALL were dumb, most are just typical righties, in that they can't think outside of the box, and must goose step to the party, right or wrong. Who in their right mind wants to be like the Europeans? There is and will always be a big difference. America has values. Regards John s Kerry shot his goose in Ohio and had it cooked there too! I hereby retract this post for the good of this group. I posted it before the truce. Now that a truce has been declared and we'll be getting back on topic and having pleasant conversations, I don't want my previous post to be offensive. My comments are withdrawn! Who cut off you gonads? |
On Mon, 8 Nov 2004 21:41:19 -0500, "NOYB" wrote:
"John S" wrote in message .. . On Fri, 05 Nov 2004 19:42:16 -0500, John S wrote: On 5 Nov 2004 05:08:04 -0800, (basskisser) wrote: The Europeans are wondering how 59,054,087 people can be so dumb. I personally don't think they ALL were dumb, most are just typical righties, in that they can't think outside of the box, and must goose step to the party, right or wrong. Who in their right mind wants to be like the Europeans? There is and will always be a big difference. America has values. Regards John s Kerry shot his goose in Ohio and had it cooked there too! I hereby retract this post for the good of this group. I posted it before the truce. Now that a truce has been declared and we'll be getting back on topic and having pleasant conversations, I don't want my previous post to be offensive. My comments are withdrawn! Who cut off you gonads? A number of people agreed we should get back on topic and turn the tide toward more pleasant conversations. If I feel the need to spout off, I'll do it in the proper group. In the mean time, I'll let rec.boats be about boats. Regards John S I would rather be boating! |
"John S" wrote in message ... On Mon, 8 Nov 2004 21:41:19 -0500, "NOYB" wrote: "John S" wrote in message . .. On Fri, 05 Nov 2004 19:42:16 -0500, John S wrote: On 5 Nov 2004 05:08:04 -0800, (basskisser) wrote: The Europeans are wondering how 59,054,087 people can be so dumb. I personally don't think they ALL were dumb, most are just typical righties, in that they can't think outside of the box, and must goose step to the party, right or wrong. Who in their right mind wants to be like the Europeans? There is and will always be a big difference. America has values. Regards John s Kerry shot his goose in Ohio and had it cooked there too! I hereby retract this post for the good of this group. I posted it before the truce. Now that a truce has been declared and we'll be getting back on topic and having pleasant conversations, I don't want my previous post to be offensive. My comments are withdrawn! Who cut off you gonads? A number of people agreed we should get back on topic and turn the tide toward more pleasant conversations. If I feel the need to spout off, I'll do it in the proper group. In the mean time, I'll let rec.boats be about boats. Regards John S I would rather be boating! Sorry John but you are looking quite silly posting these retractions. You said what you said and meant it at the time. If you want to change, do so from this date forward but don't start going back to your old posts retracting them. |
On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 13:56:42 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote: Dave Hall wrote: On 8 Nov 2004 06:40:26 -0800, (basskisser) wrote: John S wrote in message . .. On 5 Nov 2004 05:08:04 -0800, atl_man2@a href="http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=1&k=yahoo%20com" onmouseover="window.status='yahoo.com'; return true;" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;"yahoo.com/a (basskisser) wrote: The Europeans are wondering how 59,054,087 people can be so dumb. I personally don't think they ALL were dumb, most are just typical righties, in that they can't think outside of the box, and must goose step to the party, right or wrong. Who in their right mind wants to be like the Europeans? There is and will always be a big difference. America has values. Regards John s What to HELL makes you think that Europeans DON'T have values??? Europeans do have values. They're just wrong. Who want's socialism? It's a society that breeds mediocrity Dave Xenophobic asshole. In the world of Harry, one cannot disagree with a statement without harboring an intrinsic hatred. Such is the folly of such one dimensional thinking. In most European countries, people have longer life spans, the murder rate is lower, the crime rate is lower, fewer children die in their youth, a much smaller percentage of the population dies in prison, there are far fewer homeless, and so forth and so on, ad infinitum. We have greater wealth, greater opportunities, more satisfying rewards, and the highest standard of living on the planet. Because of this, this country attracts all sorts of riff-raff, which can't cut it in our fast paced reward-for-achievement society, and they end up in prison or on the streets. Perhaps if we were a bit more selective on just who we allow to immigrate here, some of those problems might diminish. By what matters...society and how it is progressing...most of Europe is far ahead of the United States. But I'd still rather live here, and you are more than welcome to leave if you feel so strongly about Europe. Dave |
On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 09:04:57 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote: Dave Hall wrote: Harry Krause wrote: In most European countries, people have longer life spans, the murder rate is lower, the crime rate is lower, fewer children die in their youth, a much smaller percentage of the population dies in prison, there are far fewer homeless, and so forth and so on, ad infinitum. We have greater wealth, greater opportunities, more satisfying rewards, and the highest standard of living on the planet. Europeans have a higher quality of life, and your counter is that there are more opportunities to become obscenely wealthy here? That's your rejoinder? Oh...and we do not have the highest standard of living on the planet. Define "quality". I'm sure, like in most of your other opinions, it is highly subjective. I would still rather be the maker of my own destiny. I do not want the government interfering in it in any way. I will live and die by the actions of my own choosing, not what some socialist government thinks is "best" for me. Dave |
Dave Hall wrote in message . ..
On 8 Nov 2004 06:40:26 -0800, atl_man2@a href="http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=1&k=yahoo%20com" onmouseover="window.status='yahoo.com'; return true;" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;"yahoo.com/a (basskisser) wrote: John S wrote in message . .. On 5 Nov 2004 05:08:04 -0800, atl_man2@a href="http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=1&k=yahoo%20com" onmouseover="window.status='yahoo.com'; return true;" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;"yahoo.com/a (basskisser) wrote: The Europeans are wondering how 59,054,087 people can be so dumb. I personally don't think they ALL were dumb, most are just typical righties, in that they can't think outside of the box, and must goose step to the party, right or wrong. Who in their right mind wants to be like the Europeans? There is and will always be a big difference. America has values. Regards John s What to HELL makes you think that Europeans DON'T have values??? Europeans do have values. They're just wrong. I get a kick out of such stupid comments. There are lots of people, such as yourself, that are so blinded by BushCo, that they can't imagine anyone else's way of thinking just might be better. Jeez, how DID the world get along for thousands of years without Republicans? |
On Mon, 8 Nov 2004 21:41:19 -0500, "NOYB" wrote:
"John S" wrote in message .. . On Fri, 05 Nov 2004 19:42:16 -0500, John S wrote: On 5 Nov 2004 05:08:04 -0800, (basskisser) wrote: The Europeans are wondering how 59,054,087 people can be so dumb. I personally don't think they ALL were dumb, most are just typical righties, in that they can't think outside of the box, and must goose step to the party, right or wrong. Who in their right mind wants to be like the Europeans? There is and will always be a big difference. America has values. Regards John s Kerry shot his goose in Ohio and had it cooked there too! I hereby retract this post for the good of this group. I posted it before the truce. Now that a truce has been declared and we'll be getting back on topic and having pleasant conversations, I don't want my previous post to be offensive. My comments are withdrawn! Who cut off you gonads? In *this* group it takes gonads *not* to be a name-calling puke! John H On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD, on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay! |
On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 09:04:57 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote: Dave Hall wrote: Harry Krause wrote: In most European countries, people have longer life spans, the murder rate is lower, the crime rate is lower, fewer children die in their youth, a much smaller percentage of the population dies in prison, there are far fewer homeless, and so forth and so on, ad infinitum. We have greater wealth, greater opportunities, more satisfying rewards, and the highest standard of living on the planet. Europeans have a higher quality of life, and your counter is that there are more opportunities to become obscenely wealthy here? That's your rejoinder? Oh...and we do not have the highest standard of living on the planet. Because of this, this country attracts all sorts of riff-raff, which can't cut it in our fast paced reward-for-achievement society, and they end up in prison or on the streets. Perhaps if we were a bit more selective on just who we allow to immigrate here, some of those problems might diminish. Wow! There are a lot of Turks, former East Germans, and immigrants from many other countries living in Germany and the Netherlands who would disagree with your 'quality of life' idea. John H On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD, on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay! |
Dave Hall wrote:
We have greater wealth, greater opportunities, more satisfying rewards, and the highest standard of living on the planet. Baloney. This is a statement made out of complete ignorance. Do a google search on "national standard of living" and see what pops up. Bottom line- several industrialized countries have higher standards of living than the U.S., many have longer average lifespans for their citizens, and the US is not wealthy by any objective standard... we have become a debtor nation. DSK |
On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 15:44:59 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote: JohnH wrote: On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 09:04:57 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: Dave Hall wrote: Harry Krause wrote: Ihttp://openverse.org/Fishing/critters.html We have greater wealth, greater opportunities, more satisfying rewards, and the highest standard of living on the planet. Europeans have a higher quality of life, and your counter is that there are more opportunities to become obscenely wealthy here? That's your rejoinder? Oh...and we do not have the highest standard of living on the planet. Because of this, this country attracts all sorts of riff-raff, which can't cut it in our fast paced reward-for-achievement society, and they end up in prison or on the streets. Perhaps if we were a bit more selective on just who we allow to immigrate here, some of those problems might diminish. Wow! There are a lot of Turks, former East Germans, and immigrants from many other countries living in Germany and the Netherlands who would disagree with your 'quality of life' idea. John H Indeed there are, but as I stated, many European countries offer a higher quality of life than we have. Their residents live longer, they have safer childbirth, lower infant mortality, better health care, more vacation time, less homelessness, less crime, far fewer shootings, more separation of church and state, more job retraining when jobs are obsoleted, et cetera. The quality of life in this country has slipped since the 1980s, and slipped badly. We are not moving forward in the ways that matter. Do the three million illegal immigrants each year get factored into our statistics? John H On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD, on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay! |
On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 17:19:28 -0500, JohnH wrote:
On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 13:56:42 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: Dave Hall wrote: On 8 Nov 2004 06:40:26 -0800, (basskisser) wrote: John S wrote in message . .. On 5 Nov 2004 05:08:04 -0800, atl_man2@a href="http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=1&k=yahoo%20com" onmouseover="window.status='yahoo.com'; return true;" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;"yahoo.com/a (basskisser) wrote: The Europeans are wondering how 59,054,087 people can be so dumb. I personally don't think they ALL were dumb, most are just typical righties, in that they can't think outside of the box, and must goose step to the party, right or wrong. Who in their right mind wants to be like the Europeans? There is and will always be a big difference. America has values. Regards John s What to HELL makes you think that Europeans DON'T have values??? Europeans do have values. They're just wrong. Who want's socialism? It's a society that breeds mediocrity Dave Xenophobic asshole. In most European countries, people have longer life spans, the murder rate is lower, the crime rate is lower, fewer children die in their youth, a much smaller percentage of the population dies in prison, there are far fewer homeless, and so forth and so on, ad infinitum. By what matters...society and how it is progressing...most of Europe is far ahead of the United States. What happened to the niceness of yesterday? I thought we were going to have some peace and harmony around here. John H On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD, on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay! I am still trying to hang in there. It is a bit tough at times but I will continue to give it a go for a while. Regards John S I would rather be boating! |
Harry Krause wrote:
Quality of life issues typically include lifespan, infant mortality rate, death in childbirth, availability of decent health care, rate of homelessness, freedom to worship or not, lack of war, availability of opportunities, quality of housing, amount of free (non-work) time, quality of diet, availability of continuing education...those kinds of things. Most of Europe is doing better on the quality of life issues than we are. I had a very good friend and work associate (he unfortunately passed away a couple of years ago at 50). He and his wife were/are well educated; he held several degrees including a Phd. in physics. They were/are well traveled throughout the world and were/are extremely liberal in their thinking and politics (he more so than his wife). They both chose and came to the States on permanent work visas and would disagree with many of your assertions. Although she still owns property in her native Germany, she has chosen to stay here, primarily for the quality of life. Eisboch |
On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 06:12:48 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote: Eisboch wrote: Harry Krause wrote: Quality of life issues typically include lifespan, infant mortality rate, death in childbirth, availability of decent health care, rate of homelessness, freedom to worship or not, lack of war, availability of opportunities, quality of housing, amount of free (non-work) time, quality of diet, availability of continuing education...those kinds of things. Most of Europe is doing better on the quality of life issues than we are. I had a very good friend and work associate (he unfortunately passed away a couple of years ago at 50). He and his wife were/are well educated; he held several degrees including a Phd. in physics. They were/are well traveled throughout the world and were/are extremely liberal in their thinking and politics (he more so than his wife). They both chose and came to the States on permanent work visas and would disagree with many of your assertions. Although she still owns property in her native Germany, she has chosen to stay here, primarily for the quality of life. Eisboch They're not my assertions, and most are statistically based. And most are meaningless if your freedom of choice is curtailed. Which is why so many people WANT to come here. Freedom of choice is a big factor in the quality of life. It tends to cancel out many of the other issues. Dave |
On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 17:05:42 -0500, DSK wrote:
Dave Hall wrote: We have greater wealth, greater opportunities, more satisfying rewards, and the highest standard of living on the planet. Baloney. This is a statement made out of complete ignorance. No, it's made from pure fact. Do a google search on "national standard of living" and see what pops up. Statistics can be skewed to prop up what the poster wishes to expose. Bottom line- several industrialized countries have higher standards of living than the U.S. List them. And then take those countries and weigh the pros and cons against the U.S. , many have longer average lifespans for their citizens, and the US is not wealthy by any objective standard... we have become a debtor nation. Not if taken as an average. Yes, there may be a few countries which have a slightly better GNP. There may be another handful which have longer lifespans. There may yet be another which offers better "cradle to grave" healthcare. But there is no single one of them which compares to the U.S. on all factors. I still have a better chance of living the "good life" here than in any other country. Dave |
On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 07:28:25 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote: Dave Hall wrote: On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 06:12:48 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: Eisboch wrote: Harry Krause wrote: Quality of life issues typically include lifespan, infant mortality rate, death in childbirth, availability of decent health care, rate of homelessness, freedom to worship or not, lack of war, availability of opportunities, quality of housing, amount of free (non-work) time, quality of diet, availability of continuing education...those kinds of things. Most of Europe is doing better on the quality of life issues than we are. I had a very good friend and work associate (he unfortunately passed away a couple of years ago at 50). He and his wife were/are well educated; he held several degrees including a Phd. in physics. They were/are well traveled throughout the world and were/are extremely liberal in their thinking and politics (he more so than his wife). They both chose and came to the States on permanent work visas and would disagree with many of your assertions. Although she still owns property in her native Germany, she has chosen to stay here, primarily for the quality of life. They're not my assertions, and most are statistically based. And most are meaningless if your freedom of choice is curtailed. Which is why so many people WANT to come here. Freedom of choice is a big factor in the quality of life. It tends to cancel out many of the other issues. Aren't you against choice? Choice. What choice do any of us really have. Don't the vagaries of fate predetermine the path we all follow? Aren't we all just dust on the wind? Smoke on the water? Nowhere men? Climbing every mountain somewhere over the rainbow singing in the rain as we're off to see the Wizard? Do we really, truly have choice faced with a multitude of realities in which, at any given moment, the tesseract of chance, the wheel of predetermined fate spins? Chance. Hah!!!! Later, Tom |
On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 07:52:07 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 07:28:25 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: Dave Hall wrote: On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 06:12:48 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: Eisboch wrote: Harry Krause wrote: Quality of life issues typically include lifespan, infant mortality rate, death in childbirth, availability of decent health care, rate of homelessness, freedom to worship or not, lack of war, availability of opportunities, quality of housing, amount of free (non-work) time, quality of diet, availability of continuing education...those kinds of things. Most of Europe is doing better on the quality of life issues than we are. I had a very good friend and work associate (he unfortunately passed away a couple of years ago at 50). He and his wife were/are well educated; he held several degrees including a Phd. in physics. They were/are well traveled throughout the world and were/are extremely liberal in their thinking and politics (he more so than his wife). They both chose and came to the States on permanent work visas and would disagree with many of your assertions. Although she still owns property in her native Germany, she has chosen to stay here, primarily for the quality of life. They're not my assertions, and most are statistically based. And most are meaningless if your freedom of choice is curtailed. Which is why so many people WANT to come here. Freedom of choice is a big factor in the quality of life. It tends to cancel out many of the other issues. Aren't you against choice? Choice. What choice do any of us really have. Don't the vagaries of fate predetermine the path we all follow? Aren't we all just dust on the wind? Smoke on the water? Nowhere men? Climbing every mountain somewhere over the rainbow singing in the rain as we're off to see the Wizard? Do we really, truly have choice faced with a multitude of realities in which, at any given moment, the tesseract of chance, the wheel of predetermined fate spins? Chance. Hah!!!! You're so damned poetic, I'll bet all the ladies just cover you in kisses. Family only - other ladies of my aquaintance, friends of my wife and daughters, think I'm weird. I don't discourage that viewpoint either. :) Later, Tom ----------- "Angling may be said to be so like the mathematics that it can never be fully learnt..." Izaak Walton "The Compleat Angler", 1653 |
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 07:28:25 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: Dave Hall wrote: On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 06:12:48 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: Eisboch wrote: Harry Krause wrote: Quality of life issues typically include lifespan, infant mortality rate, death in childbirth, availability of decent health care, rate of homelessness, freedom to worship or not, lack of war, availability of opportunities, quality of housing, amount of free (non-work) time, quality of diet, availability of continuing education...those kinds of things. Most of Europe is doing better on the quality of life issues than we are. I had a very good friend and work associate (he unfortunately passed away a couple of years ago at 50). He and his wife were/are well educated; he held several degrees including a Phd. in physics. They were/are well traveled throughout the world and were/are extremely liberal in their thinking and politics (he more so than his wife). They both chose and came to the States on permanent work visas and would disagree with many of your assertions. Although she still owns property in her native Germany, she has chosen to stay here, primarily for the quality of life. They're not my assertions, and most are statistically based. And most are meaningless if your freedom of choice is curtailed. Which is why so many people WANT to come here. Freedom of choice is a big factor in the quality of life. It tends to cancel out many of the other issues. Aren't you against choice? Choice. What choice do any of us really have. Don't the vagaries of fate predetermine the path we all follow? Aren't we all just dust on the wind? Smoke on the water? Nowhere men? Climbing every mountain somewhere over the rainbow singing in the rain as we're off to see the Wizard? Do we really, truly have choice faced with a multitude of realities in which, at any given moment, the tesseract of chance, the wheel of predetermined fate spins? Chance. Hah!!!! Later, Tom So, you're saying that I am nothing but a .... a.... damn Lemming? Come to think of it, I guess we all are. Pay attention or you will fall off the cliff. Eisboch |
On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 08:04:50 -0500, Eisboch wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 07:28:25 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: Dave Hall wrote: On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 06:12:48 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: Eisboch wrote: Harry Krause wrote: Quality of life issues typically include lifespan, infant mortality rate, death in childbirth, availability of decent health care, rate of homelessness, freedom to worship or not, lack of war, availability of opportunities, quality of housing, amount of free (non-work) time, quality of diet, availability of continuing education...those kinds of things. Most of Europe is doing better on the quality of life issues than we are. I had a very good friend and work associate (he unfortunately passed away a couple of years ago at 50). He and his wife were/are well educated; he held several degrees including a Phd. in physics. They were/are well traveled throughout the world and were/are extremely liberal in their thinking and politics (he more so than his wife). They both chose and came to the States on permanent work visas and would disagree with many of your assertions. Although she still owns property in her native Germany, she has chosen to stay here, primarily for the quality of life. They're not my assertions, and most are statistically based. And most are meaningless if your freedom of choice is curtailed. Which is why so many people WANT to come here. Freedom of choice is a big factor in the quality of life. It tends to cancel out many of the other issues. Aren't you against choice? Choice. What choice do any of us really have. Don't the vagaries of fate predetermine the path we all follow? Aren't we all just dust on the wind? Smoke on the water? Nowhere men? Climbing every mountain somewhere over the rainbow singing in the rain as we're off to see the Wizard? Do we really, truly have choice faced with a multitude of realities in which, at any given moment, the tesseract of chance, the wheel of predetermined fate spins? Chance. Hah!!!! So, you're saying that I am nothing but a .... a.... damn Lemming? Come to think of it, I guess we all are. Pay attention or you will fall off the cliff. Exactly. But chance would turn you from a lemming to amoeba in a instant if the wheel spins to that fate. Oy!!! I have a headache..... TTFN, Tom "Bodies are for hookers and fat people." Bender - "Futurama" |
On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 06:12:48 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote: Eisboch wrote: Harry Krause wrote: Quality of life issues typically include lifespan, infant mortality rate, death in childbirth, availability of decent health care, rate of homelessness, freedom to worship or not, lack of war, availability of opportunities, quality of housing, amount of free (non-work) time, quality of diet, availability of continuing education...those kinds of things. Most of Europe is doing better on the quality of life issues than we are. I had a very good friend and work associate (he unfortunately passed away a couple of years ago at 50). He and his wife were/are well educated; he held several degrees including a Phd. in physics. They were/are well traveled throughout the world and were/are extremely liberal in their thinking and politics (he more so than his wife). They both chose and came to the States on permanent work visas and would disagree with many of your assertions. Although she still owns property in her native Germany, she has chosen to stay here, primarily for the quality of life. Eisboch They're not my assertions, and most are statistically based. From where? John H On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD, on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay! |
On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 12:45:00 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote: On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 07:28:25 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: Dave Hall wrote: On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 06:12:48 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: Eisboch wrote: Harry Krause wrote: Quality of life issues typically include lifespan, infant mortality rate, death in childbirth, availability of decent health care, rate of homelessness, freedom to worship or not, lack of war, availability of opportunities, quality of housing, amount of free (non-work) time, quality of diet, availability of continuing education...those kinds of things. Most of Europe is doing better on the quality of life issues than we are. I had a very good friend and work associate (he unfortunately passed away a couple of years ago at 50). He and his wife were/are well educated; he held several degrees including a Phd. in physics. They were/are well traveled throughout the world and were/are extremely liberal in their thinking and politics (he more so than his wife). They both chose and came to the States on permanent work visas and would disagree with many of your assertions. Although she still owns property in her native Germany, she has chosen to stay here, primarily for the quality of life. They're not my assertions, and most are statistically based. And most are meaningless if your freedom of choice is curtailed. Which is why so many people WANT to come here. Freedom of choice is a big factor in the quality of life. It tends to cancel out many of the other issues. Aren't you against choice? Choice. What choice do any of us really have. Don't the vagaries of fate predetermine the path we all follow? Aren't we all just dust on the wind? Smoke on the water? Nowhere men? Climbing every mountain somewhere over the rainbow singing in the rain as we're off to see the Wizard? Do we really, truly have choice faced with a multitude of realities in which, at any given moment, the tesseract of chance, the wheel of predetermined fate spins? Chance. Hah!!!! Later, Tom Yes. I can go to work tomorrow, or I can go fishing tomorrow. That is a choice. John H On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD, on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay! |
On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 07:29:36 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote: Dave Hall wrote: On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 17:05:42 -0500, DSK wrote: Dave Hall wrote: We have greater wealth, greater opportunities, more satisfying rewards, and the highest standard of living on the planet. Baloney. This is a statement made out of complete ignorance. No, it's made from pure fact. Do a google search on "national standard of living" and see what pops up. Statistics can be skewed to prop up what the poster wishes to expose. Hehehe. Gotta love it....no matter the reality, you just bury your head deeper in the sand. I still have a better chance of living the "good life" here than in any other country. Dave Define the good life. Personal attack uncalled for, unless you're losing. Now, from where come your statistics? And, do your statistics factor in the illegal immigrants? Lastly, do your statistics include fishing as part of the good life? John H On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD, on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay! |
On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 12:06:54 -0500, JohnH
wrote: On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 12:45:00 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 07:28:25 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: Dave Hall wrote: On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 06:12:48 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: Eisboch wrote: Harry Krause wrote: Quality of life issues typically include lifespan, infant mortality rate, death in childbirth, availability of decent health care, rate of homelessness, freedom to worship or not, lack of war, availability of opportunities, quality of housing, amount of free (non-work) time, quality of diet, availability of continuing education...those kinds of things. Most of Europe is doing better on the quality of life issues than we are. I had a very good friend and work associate (he unfortunately passed away a couple of years ago at 50). He and his wife were/are well educated; he held several degrees including a Phd. in physics. They were/are well traveled throughout the world and were/are extremely liberal in their thinking and politics (he more so than his wife). They both chose and came to the States on permanent work visas and would disagree with many of your assertions. Although she still owns property in her native Germany, she has chosen to stay here, primarily for the quality of life. They're not my assertions, and most are statistically based. And most are meaningless if your freedom of choice is curtailed. Which is why so many people WANT to come here. Freedom of choice is a big factor in the quality of life. It tends to cancel out many of the other issues. Aren't you against choice? Choice. What choice do any of us really have. Don't the vagaries of fate predetermine the path we all follow? Aren't we all just dust on the wind? Smoke on the water? Nowhere men? Climbing every mountain somewhere over the rainbow singing in the rain as we're off to see the Wizard? Do we really, truly have choice faced with a multitude of realities in which, at any given moment, the tesseract of chance, the wheel of predetermined fate spins? Chance. Hah!!!! Yes. I can go to work tomorrow, or I can go fishing tomorrow. That is a choice. Perhaps - or not. Fate will decide. ~~ insert evil laugh here ~~ TTFN, Tom "Bodies are for hookers and fat people." Bender - "Futurama" |
On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 07:13:58 -0500, Dave Hall wrote:
Freedom of choice is a big factor in the quality of life. It tends to cancel out many of the other issues. In the Human Development Index, Norway, Sweden, Australia, Canada, Netherlands, Belgium and Iceland were higher than us. Perhaps, you could state what freedoms they are lacking. " The UN Human Development Index (HDI) measures poverty, literacy, education, life expectancy, and other factors. It is a standard means of measuring well-being, especially child welfare." http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclop...elopment-Index But, you are right about achieving wealth, the United States mean wealth is the highest of any country, unfortunately it's median wealth is much lower. http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclop...-United-States |
"thunder" wrote in message ... On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 07:13:58 -0500, Dave Hall wrote: Freedom of choice is a big factor in the quality of life. It tends to cancel out many of the other issues. In the Human Development Index, Norway, Sweden, Australia, Canada, Netherlands, Belgium and Iceland were higher than us. Perhaps, you could state what freedoms they are lacking. " The UN Human Development Index (HDI) measures poverty, literacy, education, life expectancy, and other factors. It is a standard means of measuring well-being, especially child welfare." http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclop...elopment-Index That index gets 1/3 of it's weighting from adult literacy and education. It's possible that the US lags in adult literacy because we have a greater influx of non-English speaking immigrants than the 7 countries ahead of us. But, you are right about achieving wealth, the United States mean wealth is the highest of any country, unfortunately it's median wealth is much lower. http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclop...-United-States And here is why: "other countries are more ready to sacrifice net wealth in favour of equality". We have a guaranteed equality of opportunity...not a guaranteed equality of wealth. |
On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 07:29:36 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote: Dave Hall wrote: On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 17:05:42 -0500, DSK wrote: Dave Hall wrote: We have greater wealth, greater opportunities, more satisfying rewards, and the highest standard of living on the planet. Baloney. This is a statement made out of complete ignorance. No, it's made from pure fact. Do a google search on "national standard of living" and see what pops up. Statistics can be skewed to prop up what the poster wishes to expose. Hehehe. Gotta love it....no matter the reality, you just bury your head deeper in the sand. One could say that your bias is equally disingenuous. I still have a better chance of living the "good life" here than in any other country. Dave Define the good life. Being able to make something of myself through hard work and dedication, and then enjoying the results of those gains through a lifestyle that is entirely of my own choosing. Dave |
On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 07:28:25 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote: Dave Hall wrote: On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 06:12:48 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: Eisboch wrote: Harry Krause wrote: Quality of life issues typically include lifespan, infant mortality rate, death in childbirth, availability of decent health care, rate of homelessness, freedom to worship or not, lack of war, availability of opportunities, quality of housing, amount of free (non-work) time, quality of diet, availability of continuing education...those kinds of things. Most of Europe is doing better on the quality of life issues than we are. I had a very good friend and work associate (he unfortunately passed away a couple of years ago at 50). He and his wife were/are well educated; he held several degrees including a Phd. in physics. They were/are well traveled throughout the world and were/are extremely liberal in their thinking and politics (he more so than his wife). They both chose and came to the States on permanent work visas and would disagree with many of your assertions. Although she still owns property in her native Germany, she has chosen to stay here, primarily for the quality of life. Eisboch They're not my assertions, and most are statistically based. And most are meaningless if your freedom of choice is curtailed. Which is why so many people WANT to come here. Freedom of choice is a big factor in the quality of life. It tends to cancel out many of the other issues. Dave Aren't you against choice? Not unless that choice results in an act which could be considered immoral. Dave |
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