On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 12:45:00 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 07:28:25 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

Dave Hall wrote:
On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 06:12:48 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

Eisboch wrote:
Harry Krause wrote:



Quality of life issues typically include lifespan, infant mortality
rate, death in childbirth, availability of decent health care, rate of
homelessness, freedom to worship or not, lack of war, availability of
opportunities, quality of housing, amount of free (non-work) time,
quality of diet, availability of continuing education...those kinds of
things. Most of Europe is doing better on the quality of life issues
than we are.

I had a very good friend and work associate (he unfortunately passed
away a couple of years ago at 50). He and his wife were/are well
educated; he held several degrees including a Phd. in physics. They
were/are well traveled throughout the world and were/are extremely
liberal in their thinking and politics (he more so than his wife). They
both chose and came to the States on permanent work visas and would
disagree with many of your assertions. Although she still owns property
in her native Germany, she has chosen to stay here, primarily for the
quality of life.

They're not my assertions, and most are statistically based.

And most are meaningless if your freedom of choice is curtailed. Which
is why so many people WANT to come here.

Freedom of choice is a big factor in the quality of life. It tends to
cancel out many of the other issues.

Aren't you against choice?

Choice. What choice do any of us really have. Don't the vagaries of
fate predetermine the path we all follow? Aren't we all just dust on
the wind? Smoke on the water? Nowhere men? Climbing every mountain
somewhere over the rainbow singing in the rain as we're off to see the
Wizard?

Were you a mass media major in college? ;-) There's at least 3 songs
and three different musicals in there somewhere......


Dave

On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 12:58:52 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:



You're so damned poetic, I'll bet all the ladies just cover you in kisses.

Family only - other ladies of my aquaintance, friends of my wife and
daughters, think I'm weird.

I don't discourage that viewpoint either. :)

"weird" is relative based on the views of the current majority. Maybe
you're the sane one and they're weird.....


Dave

On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 08:26:39 -0500, Dave Hall
wrote:

On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 12:45:00 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 07:28:25 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

Dave Hall wrote:
On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 06:12:48 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

Eisboch wrote:
Harry Krause wrote:



Quality of life issues typically include lifespan, infant mortality
rate, death in childbirth, availability of decent health care, rate of
homelessness, freedom to worship or not, lack of war, availability of
opportunities, quality of housing, amount of free (non-work) time,
quality of diet, availability of continuing education...those kinds of
things. Most of Europe is doing better on the quality of life issues
than we are.

I had a very good friend and work associate (he unfortunately passed
away a couple of years ago at 50). He and his wife were/are well
educated; he held several degrees including a Phd. in physics. They
were/are well traveled throughout the world and were/are extremely
liberal in their thinking and politics (he more so than his wife). They
both chose and came to the States on permanent work visas and would
disagree with many of your assertions. Although she still owns property
in her native Germany, she has chosen to stay here, primarily for the
quality of life.

They're not my assertions, and most are statistically based.

And most are meaningless if your freedom of choice is curtailed. Which
is why so many people WANT to come here.

Freedom of choice is a big factor in the quality of life. It tends to
cancel out many of the other issues.

Aren't you against choice?

Choice. What choice do any of us really have. Don't the vagaries of
fate predetermine the path we all follow? Aren't we all just dust on
the wind? Smoke on the water? Nowhere men? Climbing every mountain
somewhere over the rainbow singing in the rain as we're off to see the
Wizard?

Were you a mass media major in college? ;-) There's at least 3 songs
and three different musicals in there somewhere......

General engineering major, minor in mathematics which eventually
became a totally useless PhD appendage.

Later,

Tom

On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 14:51:11 -0500, thunder
wrote:

On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 07:13:58 -0500, Dave Hall wrote:



Freedom of choice is a big factor in the quality of life. It tends to
cancel out many of the other issues.

In the Human Development Index, Norway, Sweden, Australia, Canada,
Netherlands, Belgium and Iceland were higher than us. Perhaps, you could
state what freedoms they are lacking.

Oh I don't know........ Could I have a $100,000 aft cabin cruiser and
run it for a season without taking out a mortgage to fill the fuel
tanks on the expected salaries in those respective places?

Could I buy a bunch of firearms and shoot them?

Could I opt out of forced government programs (and the high tax rate
to pay for them), and elect to "go it alone" with my own choices?

Could I keep my classic 60's muscle car, my ultralight airplane, my
dirt bike, snowmobile, jetski, and weed wacker without being shunned
for being out of touch with the environment and taxed out of my mind
as a result?


" The UN Human Development Index (HDI) measures poverty, literacy,
education, life expectancy, and other factors. It is a standard means of
measuring well-being, especially child welfare."

It does not measure any sort of satisfaction or recreational factors
though.




http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclop...elopment-Index


But, you are right about achieving wealth, the United States mean wealth
is the highest of any country, unfortunately it's median wealth is much
lower.

Yea, ain't it cool? The rewards for hard work here are hard to
beat.....

Dave

On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 08:28:28 -0500, Dave Hall
wrote:

On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 12:58:52 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:



You're so damned poetic, I'll bet all the ladies just cover you in kisses.

Family only - other ladies of my aquaintance, friends of my wife and
daughters, think I'm weird.

I don't discourage that viewpoint either. :)

"weird" is relative based on the views of the current majority. Maybe
you're the sane one and they're weird.....

On Usenet, I'm really a dog. :)

Live long and prosper,

Tom

"Dave Hall" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 14:51:11 -0500, thunder
wrote:

On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 07:13:58 -0500, Dave Hall wrote:



Freedom of choice is a big factor in the quality of life. It tends to
cancel out many of the other issues.

In the Human Development Index, Norway, Sweden, Australia, Canada,
Netherlands, Belgium and Iceland were higher than us. Perhaps, you could
state what freedoms they are lacking.

Oh I don't know........ Could I have a $100,000 aft cabin cruiser and
run it for a season without taking out a mortgage to fill the fuel
tanks on the expected salaries in those respective places?

Could I buy a bunch of firearms and shoot them?

Could I opt out of forced government programs (and the high tax rate
to pay for them), and elect to "go it alone" with my own choices?

Could I keep my classic 60's muscle car, my ultralight airplane, my
dirt bike, snowmobile, jetski, and weed wacker without being shunned
for being out of touch with the environment and taxed out of my mind
as a result?


" The UN Human Development Index (HDI) measures poverty, literacy,
education, life expectancy, and other factors. It is a standard means of
measuring well-being, especially child welfare."

It does not measure any sort of satisfaction or recreational factors
though.

Using anything from the UN as a source automatically disqualifies it.






http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclop...elopment-Index


But, you are right about achieving wealth, the United States mean wealth
is the highest of any country, unfortunately it's median wealth is much
lower.

Yea, ain't it cool? The rewards for hard work here are hard to
beat.....

Dave

On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 08:23:52 -0500, Dave Hall wrote:

On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 07:29:36 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

Dave Hall wrote:

Define the good life.

Being able to make something of myself through hard work and
dedication, and then enjoying the results of those gains through a
lifestyle that is entirely of my own choosing.

Dave

....as long as that lifestyle doesn't involve pot, homosexuality, or a
religion other than Christianity. If it does, better move to Canada!

Lloyd

On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 08:26:39 -0500, Dave Hall wrote:

On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 12:45:00 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

Choice. What choice do any of us really have. Don't the vagaries of
fate predetermine the path we all follow? Aren't we all just dust on
the wind? Smoke on the water? Nowhere men? Climbing every mountain
somewhere over the rainbow singing in the rain as we're off to see the
Wizard?

Were you a mass media major in college? ;-) There's at least 3 songs
and three different musicals in there somewhere......


...and if he'd said "off to see the Lizard" instead, one of them would
be Jimmy Buffett, and we'd be back to talking about boating! :)

Lloyd

On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 09:56:30 -0800, Lloyd Sumpter
wrote:

On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 08:26:39 -0500, Dave Hall wrote:

On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 12:45:00 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

Choice. What choice do any of us really have. Don't the vagaries of
fate predetermine the path we all follow? Aren't we all just dust on
the wind? Smoke on the water? Nowhere men? Climbing every mountain
somewhere over the rainbow singing in the rain as we're off to see the
Wizard?

Were you a mass media major in college? ;-) There's at least 3 songs
and three different musicals in there somewhere......

...and if he'd said "off to see the Lizard" instead, one of them would
be Jimmy Buffett, and we'd be back to talking about boating! :)

The thought occurred to me.

Live long and prosper,

Tom

On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 08:54:36 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:


Define the good life.

Being able to make something of myself through hard work and
dedication, and then enjoying the results of those gains through a
lifestyle that is entirely of my own choosing.

Dave



Gee, I have a few friends in Norway (I only know about six Norwegians)
who love their jobs and their lifestyle, and got to where they are by
hard work and dedication in a field they chose. There's nothing
particularly "country-centric" about your "good life."

Then again, some people are satisfied with the meager earnings of a
common laborer, and are quite happy living in a one room flat, with
such "luxuries" as running hot water.

So I guess once again, it's all relative.

Dave

On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 09:54:04 -0800, Lloyd Sumpter
wrote:

On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 08:23:52 -0500, Dave Hall wrote:

On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 07:29:36 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

Dave Hall wrote:

Define the good life.

Being able to make something of myself through hard work and
dedication, and then enjoying the results of those gains through a
lifestyle that is entirely of my own choosing.

Dave

...as long as that lifestyle doesn't involve pot,

No way....

homosexuality....

Not a chance in hell.

, or a religion other than Christianity.

I'm pretty safe there.....


If it does, better move to Canada!

What, and give up the good weather, and have to settle for mediocre
healthcare choices?

Dave

On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 13:07:06 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

Dave Hall wrote:
On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 08:54:36 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:


Define the good life.

Being able to make something of myself through hard work and
dedication, and then enjoying the results of those gains through a
lifestyle that is entirely of my own choosing.

Dave



Gee, I have a few friends in Norway (I only know about six Norwegians)
who love their jobs and their lifestyle, and got to where they are by
hard work and dedication in a field they chose. There's nothing
particularly "country-centric" about your "good life."

Then again, some people are satisfied with the meager earnings of a
common laborer, and are quite happy living in a one room flat, with
such "luxuries" as running hot water.

So I guess once again, it's all relative.

Dave


My guess is that my Norwegian buddies do better than you do.

That depends on your definition of "better"......

Dave

Dave Hall wrote:
On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 13:07:06 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

Dave Hall wrote:
On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 08:54:36 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:


Define the good life.

Being able to make something of myself through hard work and
dedication, and then enjoying the results of those gains through a
lifestyle that is entirely of my own choosing.

Dave



Gee, I have a few friends in Norway (I only know about six Norwegians)
who love their jobs and their lifestyle, and got to where they are by
hard work and dedication in a field they chose. There's nothing
particularly "country-centric" about your "good life."

Then again, some people are satisfied with the meager earnings of a
common laborer, and are quite happy living in a one room flat, with
such "luxuries" as running hot water.

So I guess once again, it's all relative.

Dave


My guess is that my Norwegian buddies do better than you do.

That depends on your definition of "better"......

Dave


They earn more, have better health care, have better housing, have
longer vacations, better retirement, nicer looking wives and smarter,
less neurotic children than you do. You know, the minor stuff.

--
A passing thought:

"What goes around usually gets dizzy and falls over."

Dave Hall wrote in message . ..
On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 13:07:06 -0500, Harry Krause
piedtypecase@a href="http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=1&k=yahoo%20com" onmouseover="window.status='yahoo.com'; return true;" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;"yahoo.com/a wrote:

Dave Hall wrote:
On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 08:54:36 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:


Define the good life.

Being able to make something of myself through hard work and
dedication, and then enjoying the results of those gains through a
lifestyle that is entirely of my own choosing.

Dave



Gee, I have a few friends in Norway (I only know about six Norwegians)
who love their jobs and their lifestyle, and got to where they are by
hard work and dedication in a field they chose. There's nothing
particularly "country-centric" about your "good life."

Then again, some people are satisfied with the meager earnings of a
common laborer, and are quite happy living in a one room flat, with
such "luxuries" as running a href="http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=1&k=hot%20water" onmouseover="window.status='hot water'; return true;" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;"hot water/a.

So I guess once again, it's all relative.

Dave


My guess is that my Norwegian buddies do better than you do.

That depends on your definition of "better"......


It would probably be the opposite of all the propoganda you've heard and adhered to.

basskisser wrote:
Dave Hall wrote in message . ..
On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 13:07:06 -0500, Harry Krause
piedtypecase@a href="http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=1&k=yahoo%20com" onmouseover="window.status='yahoo.com'; return true;" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;"yahoo.com/a wrote:

Dave Hall wrote:
On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 08:54:36 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:


Define the good life.

Being able to make something of myself through hard work and
dedication, and then enjoying the results of those gains through a
lifestyle that is entirely of my own choosing.

Dave



Gee, I have a few friends in Norway (I only know about six Norwegians)
who love their jobs and their lifestyle, and got to where they are by
hard work and dedication in a field they chose. There's nothing
particularly "country-centric" about your "good life."

Then again, some people are satisfied with the meager earnings of a
common laborer, and are quite happy living in a one room flat, with
such "luxuries" as running a href="http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=1&k=hot%20water" onmouseover="window.status='hot water'; return true;" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;"hot water/a.

So I guess once again, it's all relative.

Dave


My guess is that my Norwegian buddies do better than you do.

That depends on your definition of "better"......


It would probably be the opposite of all the propoganda you've heard and adhered to.

Dave lives in Insular, PA.


Norway tops UN quality-of-life index

For the fourth year in a row, a United Nations study has ranked Norway
as the best place to live in the world. The index ranks nations
according to income, life expectancy and education levels.

Every summer, the United Nations Development Program issues a thorough,
state-of-the-world-like report in which the world's countries are ranked
according to the Human Development Index, a system for determining
standard of living. This year, as in the previous three, Norway tops the
list, while neighboring Sweden has climbed one spot to number two.

The UNDP has created the index in order to measure the extent of human
development in countries around the world. In the report's foreword, its
authors write that in order to reach the UN's Millennium Goals,
countries must strive to become inclusive, culturally diverse societies.

"Human development is first and foremost about allowing people to lead
the kind of life they choose—and providing them with the tools and
opportunities to make those choices," the report reads.

High average income
The report states that Norway has a life expectancy of 79 years and a
school enrollment ratio of 98 percent.

As usual, industrialized nations figure heavily in the top 20, with the
United States coming in at eighth place, and the United Kingdom at 12th.
At the bottom of the list, for the seventh year in a row, lies Sierra
Leone, still suffering from the consequences of civil war.

Norway tops the list, the report argues, because of its high wealth
combined with a small population. The average income in Norway is,
according to the report, a staggering USD 36,600. Only Luxembourg, with
an average income of USD 61,190 can top that. In comparison, Sweden's
average income is USD 26,050, while that of Ethiopia is USD 780.

Millennium Goals
But the report is not primarily created as a way of seeing how well the
already rich countries fare when compared to each other. More
imporantly, the report shows how far the United Nations have come in
implementing the Millennium Goals that were agreed upon in 2000. See the
link on the right hand side for more information on these goals.

The 2004 report shows disturbing signs that development is actually in
reversal in 20 of the world's nations. 13 of these lie in sub-Saharan
Africa. According to the report, the main reason for this reversal is
the ongoing HIV/AIDS crisis. Life expectancy in eight of the sub-Saharan
nations has now fallen below 40 years because of the disease.

"The Aids crisis cripples states at all levels because the disease
attacks people in their most productive years," Mark Malloch Brown,
head of the UNDP, told the BBC.

Read the full report by clicking the UNDP link on the right.

The top 20:
1. Norway
2. Sweden
3. Australia
4. Canada
5. Netherlands
6. Belgium
7. Iceland
8. United States
9. Japan
10. Ireland
11. Switzerland
12. Britain
13. Finland
14. Austria
15. Luxembourg
16. France
17. Denmark
18. New Zealand
19. Germany
20. Spain


--

On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 07:32:05 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

Dave Hall wrote:
On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 13:07:06 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

Dave Hall wrote:
On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 08:54:36 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:


Define the good life.

Being able to make something of myself through hard work and
dedication, and then enjoying the results of those gains through a
lifestyle that is entirely of my own choosing.

Dave



Gee, I have a few friends in Norway (I only know about six Norwegians)
who love their jobs and their lifestyle, and got to where they are by
hard work and dedication in a field they chose. There's nothing
particularly "country-centric" about your "good life."

Then again, some people are satisfied with the meager earnings of a
common laborer, and are quite happy living in a one room flat, with
such "luxuries" as running hot water.

So I guess once again, it's all relative.

Dave


My guess is that my Norwegian buddies do better than you do.

That depends on your definition of "better"......

Dave


They earn more, have better health care, have better housing, have
longer vacations, better retirement, nicer looking wives and smarter,
less neurotic children than you do. You know, the minor stuff.

How many immigrants, whose earnings are part of your statistics, does
Norway get on an annual basis?

John H

On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD,
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

JohnH wrote:
On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 07:32:05 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

Dave Hall wrote:
On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 13:07:06 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

Dave Hall wrote:
On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 08:54:36 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:


Define the good life.

Being able to make something of myself through hard work and
dedication, and then enjoying the results of those gains through a
lifestyle that is entirely of my own choosing.

Dave



Gee, I have a few friends in Norway (I only know about six Norwegians)
who love their jobs and their lifestyle, and got to where they are by
hard work and dedication in a field they chose. There's nothing
particularly "country-centric" about your "good life."

Then again, some people are satisfied with the meager earnings of a
common laborer, and are quite happy living in a one room flat, with
such "luxuries" as running hot water.

So I guess once again, it's all relative.

Dave


My guess is that my Norwegian buddies do better than you do.

That depends on your definition of "better"......

Dave


They earn more, have better health care, have better housing, have
longer vacations, better retirement, nicer looking wives and smarter,
less neurotic children than you do. You know, the minor stuff.

How many immigrants, whose earnings are part of your statistics, does
Norway get on an annual basis?

John H

On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD,
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!


Wow...eight posts in a row from Herring...must have gotten out of
Detention Class early.

--
A passing thought:

"... it is important to realize that any lock can be picked with a big
enough hammer." -- Sun System & Network Admin manual

On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 11:18:29 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

basskisser wrote:
Dave Hall wrote in message . ..
On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 13:07:06 -0500, Harry Krause
piedtypecase@a href="http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=1&k=yahoo%20com" onmouseover="window.status='yahoo.com'; return true;" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;"yahoo.com/a wrote:

Dave Hall wrote:
On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 08:54:36 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:


Define the good life.

Being able to make something of myself through hard work and
dedication, and then enjoying the results of those gains through a
lifestyle that is entirely of my own choosing.

Dave



Gee, I have a few friends in Norway (I only know about six Norwegians)
who love their jobs and their lifestyle, and got to where they are by
hard work and dedication in a field they chose. There's nothing
particularly "country-centric" about your "good life."

Then again, some people are satisfied with the meager earnings of a
common laborer, and are quite happy living in a one room flat, with
such "luxuries" as running a href="http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=1&k=hot%20water" onmouseover="window.status='hot water'; return true;" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;"hot water/a.

So I guess once again, it's all relative.

Dave


My guess is that my Norwegian buddies do better than you do.

That depends on your definition of "better"......


It would probably be the opposite of all the propoganda you've heard and adhered to.

Dave lives in Insular, PA.


Norway tops UN quality-of-life index

For the fourth year in a row, a United Nations study has ranked Norway
as the best place to live in the world. The index ranks nations
according to income, life expectancy and education levels.

Every summer, the United Nations Development Program issues a thorough,
state-of-the-world-like report in which the world's countries are ranked
according to the Human Development Index, a system for determining
standard of living. This year, as in the previous three, Norway tops the
list, while neighboring Sweden has climbed one spot to number two.

The UNDP has created the index in order to measure the extent of human
development in countries around the world. In the report's foreword, its
authors write that in order to reach the UN's Millennium Goals,
countries must strive to become inclusive, culturally diverse societies.

"Human development is first and foremost about allowing people to lead
the kind of life they choose—and providing them with the tools and
opportunities to make those choices," the report reads.

High average income
The report states that Norway has a life expectancy of 79 years and a
school enrollment ratio of 98 percent.

As usual, industrialized nations figure heavily in the top 20, with the
United States coming in at eighth place, and the United Kingdom at 12th.
At the bottom of the list, for the seventh year in a row, lies Sierra
Leone, still suffering from the consequences of civil war.

Norway tops the list, the report argues, because of its high wealth
combined with a small population. The average income in Norway is,
according to the report, a staggering USD 36,600. Only Luxembourg, with
an average income of USD 61,190 can top that. In comparison, Sweden's
average income is USD 26,050, while that of Ethiopia is USD 780.

Millennium Goals
But the report is not primarily created as a way of seeing how well the
already rich countries fare when compared to each other. More
imporantly, the report shows how far the United Nations have come in
implementing the Millennium Goals that were agreed upon in 2000. See the
link on the right hand side for more information on these goals.

The 2004 report shows disturbing signs that development is actually in
reversal in 20 of the world's nations. 13 of these lie in sub-Saharan
Africa. According to the report, the main reason for this reversal is
the ongoing HIV/AIDS crisis. Life expectancy in eight of the sub-Saharan
nations has now fallen below 40 years because of the disease.

"The Aids crisis cripples states at all levels because the disease
attacks people in their most productive years," Mark Malloch Brown,
head of the UNDP, told the BBC.

Read the full report by clicking the UNDP link on the right.

The top 20:
1. Norway
2. Sweden
3. Australia
4. Canada
5. Netherlands
6. Belgium
7. Iceland
8. United States
9. Japan
10. Ireland
11. Switzerland
12. Britain
13. Finland
14. Austria
15. Luxembourg
16. France
17. Denmark
18. New Zealand
19. Germany
20. Spain

How many of those countries in the top ten have a border over which
come 3,000,000 unemployed, uneducated, uninsured, and illegal
immigrants every year? Can you answer that?

John H

On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD,
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

JohnH wrote:

The top 20:
1. Norway
2. Sweden
3. Australia
4. Canada
5. Netherlands
6. Belgium
7. Iceland
8. United States
9. Japan
10. Ireland
11. Switzerland
12. Britain
13. Finland
14. Austria
15. Luxembourg
16. France
17. Denmark
18. New Zealand
19. Germany
20. Spain

How many of those countries in the top ten have a border over which
come 3,000,000 unemployed, uneducated, uninsured, and illegal
immigrants every year? Can you answer that?



Why? Are you and the rest of the Herrings looking to relocate?

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
snip
JohnH saild
How many of those countries in the top ten have a border over which
come 3,000,000 unemployed, uneducated, uninsured, and illegal
immigrants every year? Can you answer that?


Harry said
Why? Are you and the rest of the Herrings looking to relocate?

Still king of the one-liners.

On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 15:25:16 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

JohnH wrote:
On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 07:32:05 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

Dave Hall wrote:
On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 13:07:06 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

Dave Hall wrote:
On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 08:54:36 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:


Define the good life.

Being able to make something of myself through hard work and
dedication, and then enjoying the results of those gains through a
lifestyle that is entirely of my own choosing.

Dave



Gee, I have a few friends in Norway (I only know about six Norwegians)
who love their jobs and their lifestyle, and got to where they are by
hard work and dedication in a field they chose. There's nothing
particularly "country-centric" about your "good life."

Then again, some people are satisfied with the meager earnings of a
common laborer, and are quite happy living in a one room flat, with
such "luxuries" as running hot water.

So I guess once again, it's all relative.

Dave


My guess is that my Norwegian buddies do better than you do.

That depends on your definition of "better"......

Dave


They earn more, have better health care, have better housing, have
longer vacations, better retirement, nicer looking wives and smarter,
less neurotic children than you do. You know, the minor stuff.

How many immigrants, whose earnings are part of your statistics, does
Norway get on an annual basis?

John H

On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD,
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!


Wow...eight posts in a row from Herring...must have gotten out of
Detention Class early.

But you bypassed the question! That's OK though. I understand why you
would. No sense lending any credibility to statistics, right?

John H

On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD,
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 15:32:54 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

JohnH wrote:

The top 20:
1. Norway
2. Sweden
3. Australia
4. Canada
5. Netherlands
6. Belgium
7. Iceland
8. United States
9. Japan
10. Ireland
11. Switzerland
12. Britain
13. Finland
14. Austria
15. Luxembourg
16. France
17. Denmark
18. New Zealand
19. Germany
20. Spain

How many of those countries in the top ten have a border over which
come 3,000,000 unemployed, uneducated, uninsured, and illegal
immigrants every year? Can you answer that?



Why? Are you and the rest of the Herrings looking to relocate?

The question, Harry, the question!

John H

On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD,
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 23:20:09 GMT, "Don White"
wrote:


"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
snip
JohnH saild
How many of those countries in the top ten have a border over which
come 3,000,000 unemployed, uneducated, uninsured, and illegal
immigrants every year? Can you answer that?


Harry said
Why? Are you and the rest of the Herrings looking to relocate?

Still king of the one-liners.


Ain't he great!!

John H

On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD,
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 07:32:05 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

Dave Hall wrote:
On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 13:07:06 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

Dave Hall wrote:
On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 08:54:36 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:


Define the good life.

Being able to make something of myself through hard work and
dedication, and then enjoying the results of those gains through a
lifestyle that is entirely of my own choosing.

Dave



Gee, I have a few friends in Norway (I only know about six Norwegians)
who love their jobs and their lifestyle, and got to where they are by
hard work and dedication in a field they chose. There's nothing
particularly "country-centric" about your "good life."

Then again, some people are satisfied with the meager earnings of a
common laborer, and are quite happy living in a one room flat, with
such "luxuries" as running hot water.

So I guess once again, it's all relative.

Dave


My guess is that my Norwegian buddies do better than you do.

That depends on your definition of "better"......

Dave


They earn more,

You have no idea.


have better health care,

I can have any medical procedure performed for only the cost of my
co-pay (Which is $15). And I don't have to wait in line for it. How
much better can you get?


have better housing,

Oh, I don't know. Europeans are much more utilitarian than us
"frivolous" Americans. In some parts of Europe, a 2500 sq foot house
is considered a "mansion". Not to mention the 3 door attached garages
for the cars and the boat, and the large detached garage for the RV.

have longer vacations

I have 6 paid weeks.

better retirement

Between pension, and 401K savings, I won't be starving. If any SS
remains, that'll be gravy.

nicer looking wives and smarter,
less neurotic children than you do.

How would you know what my wife looks like, or how stable and
intelligent my kids are?

Dave

On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 19:34:06 -0500, JohnH
wrote:

On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 15:32:54 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

JohnH wrote:

The top 20:
1. Norway
2. Sweden
3. Australia
4. Canada
5. Netherlands
6. Belgium
7. Iceland
8. United States
9. Japan
10. Ireland
11. Switzerland
12. Britain
13. Finland
14. Austria
15. Luxembourg
16. France
17. Denmark
18. New Zealand
19. Germany
20. Spain

How many of those countries in the top ten have a border over which
come 3,000,000 unemployed, uneducated, uninsured, and illegal
immigrants every year? Can you answer that?



Why? Are you and the rest of the Herrings looking to relocate?

The question, Harry, the question!

He won't answer the question, since this factor pretty much lowers the
stats for the US. Taking this into consideration, the US would score
much higher.

Dave

Dave Hall wrote:

My guess is that my Norwegian buddies do better than you do.

That depends on your definition of "better"......

Dave


They earn more,

You have no idea.

Yeah, I do.





have better health care,

I can have any medical procedure performed for only the cost of my
co-pay (Which is $15). And I don't have to wait in line for it. How
much better can you get?

You mean, any medical procedure on the list of approved procedures.



have better housing,

Oh, I don't know. Europeans are much more utilitarian than us
"frivolous" Americans. In some parts of Europe, a 2500 sq foot house
is considered a "mansion". Not to mention the 3 door attached garages
for the cars and the boat, and the large detached garage for the RV.

You're confusing better with larger.


nicer looking wives and smarter,
less neurotic children than you do.

How would you know what my wife looks like, or how stable and
intelligent my kids are?

From your postings, I would suspect your wife is barefoot, pregnant and
abused, and your kids are brainwashed at church.



--
A passing thought:

" 'It can't happen here' is Number 1 on the list of famous last words."
- David Crosby, rock singer and musician

On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 07:04:34 -0500, Dave Hall
wrote:

On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 19:34:06 -0500, JohnH
wrote:

On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 15:32:54 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

JohnH wrote:

The top 20:
1. Norway
2. Sweden
3. Australia
4. Canada
5. Netherlands
6. Belgium
7. Iceland
8. United States
9. Japan
10. Ireland
11. Switzerland
12. Britain
13. Finland
14. Austria
15. Luxembourg
16. France
17. Denmark
18. New Zealand
19. Germany
20. Spain

How many of those countries in the top ten have a border over which
come 3,000,000 unemployed, uneducated, uninsured, and illegal
immigrants every year? Can you answer that?



Why? Are you and the rest of the Herrings looking to relocate?

The question, Harry, the question!

He won't answer the question, since this factor pretty much lowers the
stats for the US. Taking this into consideration, the US would score
much higher.

Dave

You're right, of course. It's Harry's typical 'backed in a corner'
strategy. Doug K. does it a lot also.

John H

On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD,
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 07:04:34 -0500, Dave Hall wrote:


He won't answer the question, since this factor pretty much lowers the
stats for the US. Taking this into consideration, the US would score much
higher.

I'm not an economist, but Alan Greenspan is. Perhaps, we might want to
listen to what he says about immigration.

http://grounds-mag.com/news/grounds_...s_immigration/

On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 16:56:28 -0500, thunder
wrote:

On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 07:04:34 -0500, Dave Hall wrote:


He won't answer the question, since this factor pretty much lowers the
stats for the US. Taking this into consideration, the US would score much
higher.

I'm not an economist, but Alan Greenspan is. Perhaps, we might want to
listen to what he says about immigration.

http://grounds-mag.com/news/grounds_...s_immigration/

I think the whole damn bunch of you red/blue staters ought to get the
hell out of my country 'ya bunch of brain dead bozos. :)

Later,

Tom - who is 1/4 Chippewa Indian

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 16:56:28 -0500, thunder
wrote:


On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 07:04:34 -0500, Dave Hall wrote:



He won't answer the question, since this factor pretty much lowers the
stats for the US. Taking this into consideration, the US would score much
higher.

I'm not an economist, but Alan Greenspan is. Perhaps, we might want to
listen to what he says about immigration.

http://grounds-mag.com/news/grounds_...s_immigration/


I think the whole damn bunch of you red/blue staters ought to get the
hell out of my country 'ya bunch of brain dead bozos. :)

Later,

Tom - who is 1/4 Chippewa Indian

Interesting. Which 1/4 is that, Tom?

Eisboch

On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 16:56:28 -0500, thunder
wrote:

On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 07:04:34 -0500, Dave Hall wrote:


He won't answer the question, since this factor pretty much lowers the
stats for the US. Taking this into consideration, the US would score much
higher.

I'm not an economist, but Alan Greenspan is. Perhaps, we might want to
listen to what he says about immigration.

http://grounds-mag.com/news/grounds_...s_immigration/

You also missed the question. Greenspan wasn't addressing the
question.


John H

On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD,
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 17:05:57 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

thunder wrote:
On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 07:04:34 -0500, Dave Hall wrote:


He won't answer the question, since this factor pretty much lowers the
stats for the US. Taking this into consideration, the US would score much
higher.

I'm not an economist, but Alan Greenspan is. Perhaps, we might want to
listen to what he says about immigration.

http://grounds-mag.com/news/grounds_...s_immigration/

Hall, Herring, Hertvik, and the rest of the right-wing simpies are
xenophobic in the extreme, and want to blame all our ills on immigrants,
rather than our own failures as a society.

And the question remains unanswered.

John H

On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD,
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

"JohnH" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 17:05:57 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

thunder wrote:
On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 07:04:34 -0500, Dave Hall wrote:


He won't answer the question, since this factor pretty much lowers the
stats for the US. Taking this into consideration, the US would score
much
higher.

I'm not an economist, but Alan Greenspan is. Perhaps, we might want to
listen to what he says about immigration.

http://grounds-mag.com/news/grounds_...s_immigration/

Hall, Herring, Hertvik, and the rest of the right-wing simpies are
xenophobic in the extreme, and want to blame all our ills on immigrants,
rather than our own failures as a society.

And the question remains unanswered.

John H

On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD,
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

Funny how Krause is focused on repeating my name several times/day although
he claims to not pay attention to what I write. Go figure. Penis envy
perhaps?

On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 23:18:52 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 16:56:28 -0500, thunder
wrote:

On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 07:04:34 -0500, Dave Hall wrote:


He won't answer the question, since this factor pretty much lowers the
stats for the US. Taking this into consideration, the US would score much
higher.

I'm not an economist, but Alan Greenspan is. Perhaps, we might want to
listen to what he says about immigration.

http://grounds-mag.com/news/grounds_...s_immigration/

I think the whole damn bunch of you red/blue staters ought to get the
hell out of my country 'ya bunch of brain dead bozos. :)

Later,

Tom - who is 1/4 Chippewa Indian

Amen.

John H

On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD,
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 18:45:10 -0500, "JimH" wrote:


"JohnH" wrote in message
.. .
On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 17:05:57 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

thunder wrote:
On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 07:04:34 -0500, Dave Hall wrote:


He won't answer the question, since this factor pretty much lowers the
stats for the US. Taking this into consideration, the US would score
much
higher.

I'm not an economist, but Alan Greenspan is. Perhaps, we might want to
listen to what he says about immigration.

http://grounds-mag.com/news/grounds_...s_immigration/

Hall, Herring, Hertvik, and the rest of the right-wing simpies are
xenophobic in the extreme, and want to blame all our ills on immigrants,
rather than our own failures as a society.

And the question remains unanswered.

John H

On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD,
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

Funny how Krause is focused on repeating my name several times/day although
he claims to not pay attention to what I write. Go figure. Penis envy
perhaps?

I think I know how you feel!

John H

On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD,
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

"JohnH" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 18:45:10 -0500, "JimH" wrote:


"JohnH" wrote in message
.. .
On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 17:05:57 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

thunder wrote:
On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 07:04:34 -0500, Dave Hall wrote:


He won't answer the question, since this factor pretty much lowers
the
stats for the US. Taking this into consideration, the US would score
much
higher.

I'm not an economist, but Alan Greenspan is. Perhaps, we might want
to
listen to what he says about immigration.


http://grounds-mag.com/news/grounds_...s_immigration/

Hall, Herring, Hertvik, and the rest of the right-wing simpies are
xenophobic in the extreme, and want to blame all our ills on
immigrants,
rather than our own failures as a society.

And the question remains unanswered.

John H

On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD,
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

Funny how Krause is focused on repeating my name several times/day
although
he claims to not pay attention to what I write. Go figure. Penis envy
perhaps?

I think I know how you feel!

John H

He does seem rather infatuated... even with my name. What is he, 12 years
old?

Jack

On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 01:57:12 GMT, "Jack Goff" wrote:


"JohnH" wrote in message
.. .
On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 18:45:10 -0500, "JimH" wrote:


"JohnH" wrote in message
.. .
On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 17:05:57 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

thunder wrote:
On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 07:04:34 -0500, Dave Hall wrote:


He won't answer the question, since this factor pretty much lowers
the
stats for the US. Taking this into consideration, the US would score
much
higher.

I'm not an economist, but Alan Greenspan is. Perhaps, we might want
to
listen to what he says about immigration.


http://grounds-mag.com/news/grounds_...s_immigration/

Hall, Herring, Hertvik, and the rest of the right-wing simpies are
xenophobic in the extreme, and want to blame all our ills on
immigrants,
rather than our own failures as a society.

And the question remains unanswered.

John H

On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD,
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

Funny how Krause is focused on repeating my name several times/day
although
he claims to not pay attention to what I write. Go figure. Penis envy
perhaps?

I think I know how you feel!

John H

He does seem rather infatuated... even with my name. What is he, 12 years
old?

Jack

Mentally.

John H

On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD,
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

"JohnH" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 01:57:12 GMT, "Jack Goff" wrote:


"JohnH" wrote in message
. ..
On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 18:45:10 -0500, "JimH" wrote:


"JohnH" wrote in message
.. .
On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 17:05:57 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

thunder wrote:
On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 07:04:34 -0500, Dave Hall wrote:


He won't answer the question, since this factor pretty much lowers
the
stats for the US. Taking this into consideration, the US would
score
much
higher.

I'm not an economist, but Alan Greenspan is. Perhaps, we might
want
to
listen to what he says about immigration.


http://grounds-mag.com/news/grounds_...s_immigration/

Hall, Herring, Hertvik, and the rest of the right-wing simpies are
xenophobic in the extreme, and want to blame all our ills on
immigrants,
rather than our own failures as a society.

And the question remains unanswered.

John H

On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD,
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

Funny how Krause is focused on repeating my name several times/day
although
he claims to not pay attention to what I write. Go figure. Penis envy
perhaps?

I think I know how you feel!

John H

He does seem rather infatuated... even with my name. What is he, 12 years
old?

Jack

Mentally.

John H

On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD,
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

You are giving him too much credit.

On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 17:05:57 -0500, Harry Krause wrote:


Hall, Herring, Hertvik, and the rest of the right-wing simpies are
xenophobic in the extreme, and want to blame all our ills on immigrants,
rather than our own failures as a society.

Must have been a major influx of illegal aliens this past year. The new
rankings are in, and we are not even in the top ten.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4020523.stm

On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 08:27:59 -0500, thunder
wrote:

On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 17:05:57 -0500, Harry Krause wrote:


Hall, Herring, Hertvik, and the rest of the right-wing simpies are
xenophobic in the extreme, and want to blame all our ills on immigrants,
rather than our own failures as a society.

Must have been a major influx of illegal aliens this past year. The new
rankings are in, and we are not even in the top ten.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4020523.stm

I wouldn't live in Ireland if you paid me.

The food sucks, the weather sucks, you have to pay sixteen different
agencies to get a freakin' fishing license (remind me to tell the
story about Liam Neeson), the roads suck, you can't get a decent hotel
room in Dublin, bums living in travel trailers along the sides of the
major roads, TV is ridiculously lame, not to mention that they drive
on the wrong side of the road in little teeny cars that are unfit for
human use, everything is taxed twelve times over and all there is to
see are wet green fields and big old stone buildings falling down all
over the place.

Oh, and the people talk funny.

The herding dogs were cool though.

Later,

Tom