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wrote on 11/28/04 1:10 PM:

Keenan Wellar wrote in message
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wrote on 11/27/04 8:47 AM:

Keenan Wellar wrote in message
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in article , Tinkerntom at
wrote on 11/26/04 8:36 PM:

Keenan, Keenan, what are we going to do with such vitrol. I realize
that you have not received the post yet that I sent earlier, and this
may pass your response in cyber space. However, this recent post by
you continues to demonstrate the high level of vitrol present in your
post, you need to check your dipstick. High vitrol, leads to
bitterness, resentment and anger, all of which seems to be present. I
hope that you can find a less public dumping ground than a public
forum to work out your issues, though if you choose to continue here,
you are certainly free to do so, and reap the commentary of Retter and
company.

As is often the case, I have no idea what you are talking about.

I misspelled the word "vitriol" above, defined as in caustic quality,
esp. virulence of feeling or of speech. So probably I left you
wondering what I was speaking of when I mentioned "vitrol." I hope
this clarifies what I was talking about. But if it does not, please
let me qualify further. Often times as you respond, it appears that
you are bitter, angry, and resentful. I assume from my googling, that
you are in your 30s, though it is not really important. If you
continue with this vitriol, someday you will be a bitter old man!

The problem was not your spelling.

Now that you have clarified, I thank you for your misplaced concern.

Now having said that, I detect a lowering of the vitriol even in the
last couple of post, and look forward to having a reasonable
conversation.

That would depend on whether or not you will be speaking within the bounds
of reason.

Reason for one, may be madness for the other, but we can try!

Indeed.


I cherish your civil and professional response which I am sure you are
capable of. The one liners, and childish logic demean your
credentials. Retter needles you as being a fool. I don't perceive you
as a fool, so why do you persist in presenting yourself as one?

Sometimes in order to communicate with a child you need to speak in a
child's language.

I assume you are speaking of your discussions with Retter. I will also
assume the two of you have met before, so you may actually be the best
of friends. For that reason I will not come between you, and will let
you work it out with him.

Uh...how to respond in the positive fashion you crave without reinforcing
the strange conclusions...how's this:

Thank you for understanding that my communications with others are none of
your business.


Keenan, if you post publicly, they become public business.

Let me restate.

While you are obviously free to offer comments on anything you see here, the
idea that you might or might not come between myself and another, and that
you will "let me work it out" with someone else is a rather pompous
offering, in that I never asked you to mediate said communications, not did
I ever consider requesting such a contribution from you.

However
being civil, we turn away from someone ****ing in public, to allow
them their public indecency. I will be glad to allow you and any
others to continue your ****ing contest, but I will exercise my
privilege of not having to watch!

There are different forms of ****ing. I suggest your urine has soaked this
newsgroup rather thoroughly.

Even in this last post of yours, you delve into the depths of the
meaning of extro and intro, and totally miss, or should I say ignore
the true meaning of my post.

I found it...odd...that you felt the need to explain what an extrovert is.

I was not pointing out the difference between "extro and intro" so
much as anwering your question as to why Patton is perceived now as
bitter and unstable. His personality shifted when he was no longer in
control. I am sure that you know the difference between the two words
as most readers here would, but I did not want to assume all
understood the dynamic of the shift from an ENTP to an INTP, or worse,
INTJ. You from your professional training may be familiar with these
nuances, but I did not want to assume that either, since I do not know
your exact professional credentials. Maybe I should do some more
googling. In as much as there is only one of you, it is pretty easy!
Luckily for us!

Yeah, great.

Lots of interesting reading, and you have some very creative friends,

http://www.geocities.com/herblovesje...magination.jpg

http://www.geocities.com/flamingpoul...kmanonlost.jpg

http://www.geocities.com/flamingpoul...manonlost2.jpg

Is cyberstalking part of your cultish personality?

And if that escapes your ability to
comprehend, you also miss the sincere spirit in which I wrote. I do
not find my stability in question, but you are the one that presents a
less than desirable character to be discussing a serious subject. Are
you contrary, for the sake of being contrary, or in the American
Indian sense of the word, if you know what that means?

You've lost me with the American Indian comment.

Some people are contrary just to be mean! However, particularly in the
Souix tribe, there was a group identified as "Contraries". Of course
that was not the word used, but a Souix language word has been
translated as contraries.
The contrary wasn't particularly mean, but went through life doing
things backwards. He walked backwards, and took dirt baths, and wore
his/her clothes backwards, and even learned to talk backwards. Food
that was normally eaten cold, was eaten hot, and vice versus. You
begin to get the point!

The contraries were actually fearsome warriors, because at the time
the conflicting tribes were not so much interested in killing their
enemy, as in counting coup. In the heat of battle, the bravest would
try to get close enough to the adversary to just touch him, and then
get away. If successful they would then capture a part of the spirit
of the one who was touched.

Well, when the contrary came riding into battle, riding backwards. It
would so freak out the other side, who didn't want anything to do with
him, they would often just flee the battlefield. Lest they get touched
by and become under the influence of the contrary spirit.

Now in our society, we would put these crazy folks away, and lock them
up. However, for his own people at that time, he was treated as a
hero, and lived an elevated position in the tribe. Often times, the
men dressed as women, and the women as men. And they usually expressed
the opposite sexual trait as well. Though even that served an accepted
practice and need in the tribe as well. The Souix did not look down
upon the homosexual, but again elevated him because of his dual
spirit.

Now all this has to do with you, if you are contrary because that is
the way you are, or because of a mean spirit. I hope you are not mean,
and that does not imply that any of the rest of the discription
applies either. We are in a different place and a different time.
However, I believe that there is still lots of latitude for personal
expression!

The above description came from the Souix story book, Hanto Yo, which
was originally written in the Souix Language, on a Buffaloe Skin. It
eventually was translated, for publication. Parts of it does sound
familiar to what has gone on this thread, and others, where a bunch of
contrary nitpicking is going on, as if we are trying to count coup on
the other poster, and we prevail when they all leave when things get
too contrary.

That's all very fascinating, but in a fashion that seems typical for you,
you have failed to consider that it may be you who is riding backwards!


Again you are correct, as I may appear to be riding backwards to you.

Or, you may in fact be riding backwards.

It did not take Einstein to figure out that all is relative, the Souix
had it figured out a long time ago.

Yes, a clever bunch.

I have no idea as to your stability outside of this forum. It may simply be
your writing style that leaves an unstable impression. To be honest, you
come across as though you are part of some sort of cult.

As far as writing style, I understand, that it may appear unstable,
for you have seen me take different tacks from time to time. I don't
know if you have done any sailing, but tacking is done to make headway
into an opposing and changing wind. And there has been some wild wind
on this thread about wild places. Tacking was necessary, not for the
purpose of deceit, but inorder to arrive where we are today. I know
that I am still the International Man of Mystery, but we are getting
to know each other better, as the mystery is revealed. Yeah...
Baaby!!!!

Have you ever worked for a carpet cleaning company at which time you went by
the name "Tanya?"

Tanya sounds like a character, but no, I have never worked for a
carpet cleaning company, and I am not Tanya.

You may wish to google on Seinfeld episodes in order to understand this
reference.

In reading, I found that
you have quite a following, between Tanya, Louise, Sharon, and Sandra,
and almost 9000 post, you have made quite a name for yourself. I still
wonder what the secret is for such prolific postings, and that is just
on the usenet, to say nothing of the rest of your posting activity.

I tend to keep my posts a bit more to the point than yourself.

You must be the real superman to do this, and then carry on with your
regular schedule as Clark Kent! When do you ever get time to paddle?

Sadly, I did not get out much this year. My posts will no doubt go down next
year as Julie and I are moving to the waterfront, and thus will surely
paddle on a frequent basis.

Respectfully Tinkerntom, aka KnesisKnosis, Life, Live it!

That particular sig line doesn't help alleviate that impression either.

I would be very interested in your definition of a cult

I'd prefer not to have a discussion about the definition of cults.

From the way you write I picture you with a permanent smile and a vacant
stare.

and what is
your impression of my sig line, how does it bother you?

Respectfully, Tinkerntom, aka KnesisKnosis, Life, Live it!

It doesn't "bother" me it just adds to your cultish personality.

You are again so right, I should start a cult where we are happy, and
only look for the good in others, and don't get down on all the
terrible things happening all the time. But instead we are excited to
be alive, and able to live with the faculties we have, to the fullest
of are capabilities. Making no excuses, and laughing allowed when we
screw up. We would even help each other out of the mud and muck of
life, when we fall down, instead of stepping on the neck of a fallen
comrade, and cursing their name. Yeah....Baaby, that's the kind of
cult I would want to belong in. How about you being the first convert,
all you have to do is start smiling!

I spend a lot of time smiling and laughing, but not everything I see is
funny, and serious issues require a serious response from those who believe
that it takes more than "more guns and/or more jesus" to make the world a
better place.