Hi again riverman, I was thinking SuperGuru is a bit long, what about
SuprG,

I hope you are sincere about needing to be educated more, because the basic
foundation of an electoral government depends on an educated populace. And
that's not elite Liberal intellectualism talking to you, its out of the
Federalist Papers and was a major concern of the Founding Fathers. And
according to a lot of people, it is what has failed in this election. People
*rejected* evidence and went for single, oversimplified representative
issues. Gay rights, abortion, MORALS. And they ignored some huge,
internationally significant and complex issues: the war, trade tariffs,
financial accountability, international relations, political favoritism.
None of these capture the big picture, and if its a complex government in a
complex world we are voting for, then it is more important than ever that
the voters learn about as many sides of the issues as possible. I don't know
what's been happening on American TV (besides reality shows), but I know the
international TVs and international Press has been *all over* lots and lots
of the issues. And the more educated European populace was floored by the
election results, and pretty wholheartedly disillusioned by a nation they
used to admire. And don't just listen to educated intellecual Liberal elites
(ILEs) and brush them off....get some of your own data and throw it on the
fire to see how it smells. Debate with supporting evidence....THAT'S the way
to stop fearing people with facts and opinions. But classifying them as ILEs
and shoving your head deeper in the sand does nothing at best, and makes bad
things worse, at worse.


--riverman

Oh, and PS: Four more years of President Bush could mean a lot of our
wilderness gets opened up to development and timber harvesting. I haven't
been this worried for the wildlands since James Watt.

Well, you got four years, let the education begin. I already have read
more eco and enviro stuff in the last few days, than in the previous
year.

Respectfully, Tinkerntom, aka KnesisKnosis, Life, Live it!