Keenan Wellar wrote:

"Tinkerntom" wrote in message
m...

Hi again Keenan, I'll try to address issues you brought up in this
post

Your reference to Puritanism, seems to be rooted in the gay rights
issue.


Also abortion. And censorsihp.

And euthanasia, pornography, prostitution, soft drugs use etc. etc..

Let's make people criminals for doing something that others don't want
and therefore want to forbid everyone else from doing.

I wonder if you are "out" and feeling threatened, or is this
just a hypothetical discussion for you. Now maybe that is not a PC
question to ask, so feel free to ignore it if you choose.

As it happens, I am not gay, but hatred against gay people is not
"hypothetical" for me any more than racism against black people or unequal
pay for women is "hypothetical."

Not to mention the unequal rights for women as promoted by the religious
right: women belong at home, taking care of the children. Geez!

Isn't choice great! The Puritans came here inorder to exercise free
choice, and in so doing, chose to live in a land where others chose
differently. However it is also a democratic land where the majority
rules, and the minority is protected from the tyranny of the majority,
by the courts.


Much to the chagrin of George and friends who are furious that the courts
occasionally strike down some of their puritanical efforts. But a few
changes to the courts, and whammo, the powers of hate will have the
congress, the senate, the presidency, and the courts!

Yeah, already there is not much left to protect the minority from the
tyranny of the majority, except a lot of money to afford expensive
lawyers who know how to talk a bent stick straight, let alone to protect
the maority from an extreme right wing minority who have the
government's ear. Democracy my ass.

(if a majority vote in this so called democracy was indeed all it took,
why did the Democrats lose the previous presidential election even
though they had so many thousands more votes? Why does a democracy need
propaganda, censorship of the media, police state "laws" and police
disruption of peaceful protests and so on?)

The minority, now has the choice, of dealing with it, or slinking
away. I admire you that you are not slinking! That things are
difficult for you, no doubt! We were there for a long time, and only
recently have rallied the troops to take significant ground. Now is
not the time for us to get lazy either. We will keep pressing on, and
you can choose to get onboard or not. That is your choice!


Um. Half of your own country is not on board, and just about all of the rest
of the world is not on board. And you are not going to convince me to hate
people just because a lot of you have gotten your **** together with the
hatred of others as your focus.

Make that less than a quarter of his own country: if the potential
voters make up half the U.S. population, and if only a majority of those
potential voters actually takes the trouble to go and vote, with just
over half of the actual voters voting for one candidate, then that
candidate gets less than half of one half of the population behind him.

Our choice is that we do not want to have Gay Marriages blighting the
landscape

What is your problem with gay marriages?

nor wanton abortion polluting our collective conscious.


But you are OK with young girls in the alley with coat hangers, right?

Will you find a way to deny rich people access to abortions too, or is this
another in your list of policies designed to advance hate against the less
fortunate.

Or people killing other innocent people because the government wants to
wage another war somewhere far away against an imaginary foe.

Regarding blacks feeling intimidated at the polling place, I feel that
is generally a bogus charge.

Blacks feel intimidated at all sorts of places in America, the polling booth
certainly being one of the places where said intimidation is at its best.

I wonder why there are so few black boaters in the U.S., despite the
population of the U.S. being something like 15% black?

But it sure sounds politically powerful. And there is the
core of the problem for Liberals. They keep trying to find some magic
bullet to propel themselves into power, without really having a viable
platform.

Sounds like you just described the current government's approach to
staying in power to a point...


No idea what you are talking about there, but you do realize that the
election was a rather close one, and that it is going to be difficult to
keep people in a state of perpetual fear, or even another four years? Even
Americans will get bored with the so-called "war on terror."

Don't underestimate the herd animal mentality... :-(


and that there are certain inalienable rights. Health
care, or driving a Rolls, and living in Aspen, is not one of them.


What about the right to put all your money offshore and not pay even as much
tax as the poorest person?


live in Colorado, but not Aspen. I drive a hardly rolls, and I have to
pay for my own health insurance. I have a black neighbor who has a
newer car, - a management job, that I expect provides insurance, and
both of us could go up to ski in Aspen. Ain't America great,
independent of our skin color, we can go any place we choose. The
only thing that really holds us back, is our own vision of who we are
and where we want to be!

How many black people are in that same position? Talking about
discrimination... one exception does prove the rule.

I am self-employed, which means I get to pay all my own taxes, and I
know how much I pay. I have paid a lot for a long time, and I am not
rich. I would not mind being rich, mind you, then I could maybe afford
to take a vacation or move up to Canada. But then I would spoil it for
you, and that luckily for you, is not a false dilemna.


You should come up here. See if you can pick out the gay married people from
the gay unmarried people the straight unmarried people and the straight
married people.

Well said!

OK, well, back to regular programming.

And that is a big part of the problem, is that liberals have fallen
back on their regular programming that worked for them in the 70's,
failing to update their prime time offerings. Any TV station that did
that would not last from one season to the next, how is it that the
Dems think they can go for decades without changing, their song and
dance!


Have you in the past - or do you currently - take hallucinogenic drugs? I
know this is a personal question, but hey, you asked me if I was gay!

big grin

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