"Tinkerntom" wrote in message
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"Keenan Wellar"
I think it's the move towards puritanism that scares people.

I don't know where this came from, but sounds like someone has some
other unresolved issues. I have heard liberals blaming their loss on
everthing and everyone else than themselves, but I haven't heard this
one before. Soon we should maybe expect that it was some witches in
Salem!

I'm neither American nor a "liberal" (at least not in the American sense of
the word, although the precise American understanding of that word still
eludes me) but it comes from simple observation. The fact that 11 states
voted in favour of banning gay marriage, and the fact that there is clearly
a move afoot to return abortion to illegal status, are two clear indicators.
The Bush administration did indeed turn "homos" into the witches of the 21st
century and actually won power doing it.

Whenever liberalism manages to gain a toe-hold, it's slapped down in
the
next election cycle. Americans don't want a
liberal/progressive/socialist
country, period. Thank goodness for that!

Yeah! Who wants to be progressive! It's bad enough that black people are
free and women have the vote! Next thing you know poor people will be
accessing health care!

You put the emphasis on the wrong syllabis! It is not the
"progressive" part, but Liberal, and especially that which would end
in a socialist country, that is rejected by the good conservative
citizens of this great country.

How can homosexuals getting married have anything to do with socialism?!?!?

You set up a false dilemna, regarding free black, and women voting, as
if those issues are still an issue

Well, actually, many black people seem to feel that it is! Especially with
old white dudes hanging around the voting area waiting to "challenge" them!

then include poor people accessing
health care as being comparable. The first has to do with the rights
of all people, not determined by the Constitution, but acknowledged by
it.

If we choose to give health care to all, that is our choice, our
Constitutional right to choose. So far, the voters have not chosen to
do so, beyond Medicare, and other present Federal and State programs.
There is no Constitutional guarantee to the right to health care. All
are presented with the privilege of working for their own dreams, if
that includes health care, they can have it. There are many insurance
companies, and health care providers who would be more than willing to
take your money, and provide the best health care in the world.

Mm. Only y'all ain't born with equality of opportunity. But I spose that's
just some crackpot liberal thinkin' there eh?

If we were to say that everyone should have health care, why not,
everyone should have a car, a house, a house in the suburbs, or why
stop there. I think everyone should have a house in Aspen, or Malibu,
or Monterrey, and I think that Uncle Sam should give them whatever
else they want. And of course everyone should have a job where they
earn at least $50.00/hr. Now that sound pretty good. I think I should
run for the Presidency on that platform. Sounds sort of familiar in
fact, promise them everything, anything they want.

Y'all were sayin' somethin' 'bout settin' up a false dilemma?

Luckily most voters realized that the above program is unacceptable,
if for no other reason, than who was going to pay for it? The promise
was that taxes would be raised on the rich. That works until there are
no more rich, and then they come after you and me, or at least me! No
thankyou!

LOL. Again, y'all were sayin' somethin' 'bout settin' up a false dilemma?

Similiarly, enviro issues are presented in the same way. If we sneak
it under the radar, make enough distracting noise, noone will realize
the finacial costs of these programs. The problem, is that we have
fallen for this before, and noone was buying it this time. Especially
considering that for the last 30 or 40 years Nader and his crowd, have
been singing the same song, but tell us the problems remain. That is
why he was ignored this time more than ever before. The fact that
Kerry, gave lipservice, to pacify the eco-warriors, only proves that
they are easily distracted!

Uh. Whatever all that means. The environment IS the economy. It just ain't
rightly recognized as such by certain folk.

Nonsense! While it's definitely true that most Americans consume/waste
too
much, recycle too little and don't put environmental concerns above
issues
like values, security and economics, there is still enough concern to
prevent an environmental catastrophy. You watch, once the economy
recovers
fully, there will be a push toward stronger environmental policies. In
some ways it's sad, but environmentalism only comes to the forefront
when
we can afford it.

That perspective is sad indeed.

What is sad, is that we need you big hearted liberals to take care of
all the down and out, to protect the enviroment, to assure the rest of
us that we stay on the path, - and you have proven so ineffective!

Thanks, Tinkerntom, aka KnesisKnosis Life, Live it!

OK, well, back to regular programming.