Keenan

no one in Washington - regardless of their political affiliation -
is going to sacrifice the economy for the environment.

strange how there is always enough money for war
but not for the environment.
If only there was a war against pollution...
And those who are not with us, are?

Hey, that's really good!

Just like declaring "war on terror" gives Bush license to wage war wherever
and however he wants, declear "war against pollution" and behave
accordingly...


It should not surprise any of us that politicians always find money to
spend on their pet projects. I just prefer this President's pets, than
the alternative offering!

I did work for the EPA, and the waste, and lack of significant goals,
would not be exceeded by the Clinton war on terrorism, and blowing up
tents with million dollar Cruise Missles. But then that was a good
cover for Monica!

Kerry had his opportunity to declare war on pollution, but chose not
to, because he knew that it would not fly. The trial balloon was made
of lead! Now is the time for you to start designing a new balloon. You
can plan a test flight in 4 years. Hopefully you can present us with a
viable alternative, and not just another Clinton!

Peace, Tinkerntom, aka KnesisKnosis, Life, Live it!

It should not surprise any of us that politicians always find money to
spend on their pet projects. I just prefer this President's pets, than
the alternative offering!

So you are not with us in the war against pollution?

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It should not surprise any of us that politicians always find money to
spend on their pet projects. I just prefer this President's pets, than
the alternative offering!

So you are not with us in the war against pollution?


See that is exactly the problem, unless I fight the battle, the same
as you do, then the Liberal goes into the very rant and finger
pointing, that even in this last election, proved them ineffective.
The post election response has been almost spastic, and certainly sad!

Of course I am not for pollution. This simplistic approach which
presents itself as exclusive and elite intellectualism is the reason
you lost. You apparently still don't get it as has been pointed out
many times in this thread already. Should we assume that because the
Liberals, lost, that all is lost regarding the environment. No, it is
just how the battle is going to be fought, and I hope that you do not
prove yourself ineffective again, for the environments sake!

Peace, Tinkerntom, aka KnesisKnosis, Life, Live it!

Tinkerntom wrote:
Of course I am not for pollution. This simplistic approach which
presents itself as exclusive and elite intellectualism is the reason
you lost. You apparently still don't get it as has been pointed out
many times in this thread already. Should we assume that because the
Liberals, lost, that all is lost regarding the environment. No, it is
just how the battle is going to be fought, and I hope that you do not
prove yourself ineffective again, for the environments sake!

It was just the logical approach of your Bush that I used,
so if you call that simplistic... I agree.
Or to use your words with other goals:
Of course I am not for terrorism. No, it is just how the battle is
going to be fought, and I hope that you do not prove yourself
ineffective again, for the worlds sake!
As it is now, the war against terrorism is inefficient an ineffective
causing many innocent deaths and making things worse instead
of better.
And with the existence of the concentration camp in Guantanamo Bay,
the state has become the enemy and is creating new seeds
for more terrorism in all the world.

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Tinkerntom wrote:
Of course I am not for pollution. This simplistic approach which
presents itself as exclusive and elite intellectualism is the reason
you lost. You apparently still don't get it as has been pointed out
many times in this thread already. Should we assume that because the
Liberals, lost, that all is lost regarding the environment. No, it is
just how the battle is going to be fought, and I hope that you do not
prove yourself ineffective again, for the environments sake!

It was just the logical approach of your Bush that I used,
so if you call that simplistic... I agree.
Or to use your words with other goals:
Of course I am not for terrorism. No, it is just how the battle is
going to be fought, and I hope that you do not prove yourself
ineffective again, for the worlds sake!
As it is now, the war against terrorism is inefficient an ineffective
causing many innocent deaths and making things worse instead
of better.
And with the existence of the concentration camp in Guantanamo Bay,
the state has become the enemy and is creating new seeds
for more terrorism in all the world.

Ask the thousand dead insurgents how inefficient and ineffective the
US battle plan is. Granted, there were probably innocents killed as
well, but the insurgents don't really care about them, or they would
not hide behind them.

War is a terrible thing, noone likes it! So lay down their weapons of
destruction, and learn to live in peace.

Concentration Camp in Cuba? Yes I read about the 40 some musicians who
sought refuge in this country, just yesterday. Must be a terrible
place to have to live, I mean in this country.

I will admit that my collective conscious feels uneasy about the
detainees in the camp in Guantanamo Bay. However they are a far cry
from Dachow, which is the implication. Ask a Jewish survivor, if there
is any similarity. And then find out whether he votes, and how he
feels about this country. Then maybe you will be on your way to a
majority voting concensus.

Thanks, Tinkerntom, aka KnesisKnosis, Live, Live it!

"Tinkerntom" wrote in message
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Tinkerntom wrote:
Of course I am not for pollution. This simplistic approach which
presents itself as exclusive and elite intellectualism is the reason
you lost. You apparently still don't get it as has been pointed out
many times in this thread already. Should we assume that because the
Liberals, lost, that all is lost regarding the environment. No, it is
just how the battle is going to be fought, and I hope that you do not
prove yourself ineffective again, for the environments sake!

It was just the logical approach of your Bush that I used,
so if you call that simplistic... I agree.
Or to use your words with other goals:
Of course I am not for terrorism. No, it is just how the battle is
going to be fought, and I hope that you do not prove yourself
ineffective again, for the worlds sake!
As it is now, the war against terrorism is inefficient an ineffective
causing many innocent deaths and making things worse instead
of better.
And with the existence of the concentration camp in Guantanamo Bay,
the state has become the enemy and is creating new seeds
for more terrorism in all the world.

Ask the thousand dead insurgents how inefficient and ineffective the
US battle plan is. Granted, there were probably innocents killed

Do you think so? It's hard to say. The media censorship is unbelievable. You
would hardly know any Americans have been killed!

War is a terrible thing, noone likes it! So lay down their weapons of
destruction, and learn to live in peace.

Who are we talking about?

Concentration Camp in Cuba? Yes I read about the 40 some musicians who
sought refuge in this country, just yesterday. Must be a terrible
place to have to live, I mean in this country.

I will admit that my collective conscious feels uneasy about the
detainees in the camp in Guantanamo Bay. However they are a far cry
from Dachow

Ah, well, that's OK then!

As it is now, the war against terrorism is inefficient an ineffective
causing many innocent deaths and making things worse instead
of better.
And with the existence of the concentration camp in Guantanamo Bay,
the state has become the enemy and is creating new seeds
for more terrorism in all the world.

Ask the thousand dead insurgents how inefficient and ineffective the
US battle plan is. Granted, there were probably innocents killed

Probably???
even the American soldiers who die there can be called innocent...
But that view may be (too) Liberal for you?

Keenan wrote:
Do you think so? It's hard to say. The media censorship is unbelievable. You
would hardly know any Americans have been killed!

Ah, maybe I have stumbled upon the problem, "media Censorship." Now I
haven't heard of such down here,(certainly there are many voices
reminding us of how many have been killed and wounded) so you must be
speaking of up there in Canada. That is unbelievable for sure, I
thought those Canadians were a little tolerant of diverse viewpoints,
but then that would also esplain the rampant Liberalism that plagues
our dear neighbor to the north. Isolated, uninformed, intolerant,
Liberals, - yeah, that explains it!


War is a terrible thing, noone likes it! So lay down their weapons of
destruction, and learn to live in peace.

Who are we talking about?

I was speaking of the criminal mobs that are bombing their own, in the
name of Allah. Who are you talking about? Probably the US troops, who
are risking their lives, to set the people free from the tyranny of
war lords. Who have had their way for centuries of warfare that have
been going on there. The current US troops just happen to be in their
way at this time, fighting to win and guarantee the peace for all.

Concentration Camp in Cuba? Yes I read about the 40 some musicians who
sought refuge in this country, just yesterday. Must be a terrible
place to have to live, I mean in this country.

I will admit that my collective conscious feels uneasy about the
detainees in the camp in Guantanamo Bay. However they are a far cry
from Dachow

Ah, well, that's OK then!

I am glad that you agree that it is Ok, at least we agree on this!

Thanks, Tinkerntom, aka Knesisknosis, Life, Live it!

"Tinkerntom" wrote in message
m...
Keenan

no one in Washington - regardless of their political affiliation -
is going to sacrifice the economy for the environment.

strange how there is always enough money for war
but not for the environment.
If only there was a war against pollution...
And those who are not with us, are?

Hey, that's really good!

Just like declaring "war on terror" gives Bush license to wage war
wherever
and however he wants, declear "war against pollution" and behave
accordingly...


It should not surprise any of us that politicians always find money to
spend on their pet projects. I just prefer this President's pets, than
the alternative offering!

I did work for the EPA, and the waste, and lack of significant goals,
would not be exceeded by the Clinton war on terrorism, and blowing up
tents with million dollar Cruise Missles. But then that was a good
cover for Monica!

Kerry had his opportunity to declare war on pollution, but chose not
to, because he knew that it would not fly. The trial balloon was made
of lead! Now is the time for you to start designing a new balloon. You
can plan a test flight in 4 years. Hopefully you can present us with a
viable alternative, and not just another Clinton!

Peace, Tinkerntom, aka KnesisKnosis, Life, Live it!

Interesting. This ties in with American Puritanism, actually.

One President lies about whether or not he got a blow job, and he is almost
impeached.

One President lies to start a war killing thousands of people, and he gets
re-elected!

"Keenan Wellar" wrote:

Interesting. This ties in with American Puritanism, actually.

One President lies about whether or not he got a blow job, and he is almost
impeached.

One President lies to start a war killing thousands of people, and he gets
re-elected!

Again you demonstrate, how out of contact you are with the issues that
are important to the US voter. For a Canadian, maybe that is not too
important, but for the liberals down here, this lack of discreation
spelt major losses. Those who make similar observations down here, and
try to base their political position on this quicksand, are doomed to
repeat history, happily for me!

As far as a later post in the thread, I drink Aquafina, and filtered
tap. Protects me from all the crap that the Liberal environmentalist
have failed to remove! Considering, they had the last 30 or 40 years
to do it!

Touching on the subject of American Puritanism, it seems that there is
some real sensitivity here. By modifing it with American, you imply
that there are various kinds, and that they may be more acceptable to
you. If what you mean, is Conservative Fundementalism, that is a
different thing entirely. The Puritans were actually a fairly liberal
bunch, and is represented most strongly in the state of Pennsylvania
with the Amish. A very loving group of people, in a blue state.

The CFR crowd, on the other hand, is a brilliant crowd of rascals that
will do almost anything to win. Yes, it started in the Clinton era,
with pointing out his picadillos. Then once in power, they even had
the audacity to do what they said they were going to do withour really
asking the Dems permission. Sure sometimes the Dems stood in the way,
but that just meant the CFR's just dug in deeper, and ralleyed their
crowd to get out and vote. Sounds like what the Dems need to do!

Although I doubt that they will catch President Bush with his pants
down, talk about squandering political capital. Then they really had
the CFR's on the ropes, with their protesting the way the war is being
fought, until the best they could do was offer a old Viet vet, which
required fighting the Viet war all over again (not that I have
anything against Vets, but oddly, they chose to be on what they
perceived as the moral high ground, this time). And all this before
the current struggle could be addressed. Talk about mismanging the
play clock! And now there is all this squealing about having to give
the Dems their fair share of the Congressional agenda. They lost, they
don't get much.

And yet the squealing goes on! Show some dignity, and suck it up!

Thanks, Tinkerntom, aka Knesisknosis, Life, Live it!