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"riverman" wrote:

"William R. Watt" wrote in message
...

"riverman" ) writes:

... I haven't
been this worried for the wildlands since James Watt.

Watt and Boulton built steam pumps to drain mines. You must be thinking of
someone else. If you knew them as you claim, it's amazing at your age you
have the strength to lift a paddle. :)


Right: Watts, not Watt.

James Watts was Ronald Reagan's Secretary of the Interior.

Nope - you were right the first time. It was James Watt (specifically
James G. Watt). But the rest sounds about right.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_G._Watt

Mike

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Mike Zulauf

"Mike Zulauf" wrote in message
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Nope - you were right the first time. It was James Watt (specifically
James G. Watt). But the rest sounds about right.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_G._Watt


Yep, you're right. I was right, then I was wrong, now I'm right again. :-)
Call me John Kerry.

http://www.doi.gov/past_secretaries.html#watt


--riverman

In a previous article, "riverman" said:
Watts was known as the 'anti-envronment Secretary" as he made statements
like "We will mine more, we will drill more, we will cut more timber!" and

You forgot his scarier pronouncements. I don't remember the exact quote,
but it was about how he expected the Second Coming to happen any day now,
and Jesus wouldn't be happy if we hadn't used up all the natural resources
before that happened.


--
Paul Tomblin http://xcski.com/blogs/pt/
"We choose to go to the moon in this decade and do the other things, not
because they are easy, but because they are hard...." - John F Kennedy

"riverman"

typed in Message-ID:
References:

http://www.cspo.org/home/news/ The one about the clean air degredation in
the Grand Canyon is from the Salt Lake Tribune....hardly the Sierra Club.

Are you claiming that this has just happened? Or that he isn't fixing it?
Why didn't Clinton fix it, he had 8 years?
SYOTR
Larry C.

"Larry Cable" wrote in message
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"riverman"

typed in Message-ID:
References:

http://www.cspo.org/home/news/ The one about the clean air degredation in
the Grand Canyon is from the Salt Lake Tribune....hardly the Sierra Club.

Are you claiming that this has just happened? Or that he isn't fixing it?
Why didn't Clinton fix it, he had 8 years?


Oh, air quality over the canyon has been degrading for years...we talked
about it in the 80s. Clinton did pass legislation to start to fix it, but
Bush suspended it, and even put in stopgaps that let emissions producers
'buy' emission credits from others who don't use theirs. So now its getting
worse than ever, but with a legal hall pass.

A quote from a friend of mine:

"About the natural environment... what the Bush administration has
*already* done is a matter of record. Those who don't think the
administration's aim is to roll back the entire range of environmental
protections it's taken a century to put in place just haven't been paying
close attention. So let's take stock after 4 years and see what Bush and
big business have done that they were constrained from doing during the
first four years in order to get elected again. No such restraints now, a
firm grip on both houses of Congress, and (given the spin one hears on FOX)
the pretense of a "sweeping mandate"....

He's got the bit in his teeth now. At least last election, he was promising
to be a 'uniter' and a 'compassionate conservative'. No such pretense
anymore.

--riverman

Paul Tomblin wrote:

In a previous article, "riverman" said:


Watts was known as the 'anti-envronment Secretary" as he made statements
like "We will mine more, we will drill more, we will cut more timber!" and



You forgot his scarier pronouncements. I don't remember the exact quote,
but it was about how he expected the Second Coming to happen any day now,
and Jesus wouldn't be happy if we hadn't used up all the natural resources
before that happened.

These pronouncements, at least in the U.S., began with the Millerites in
1843. There has since been frequent need for updating & recomputing of
the date of Rapture which they're certain will arrive, even though
there's not a shred of evidence to support their whispy philosophy.
(There was no mention of resources in the earlier days of these
movements - in fact, hundreds failed to plant, gather hay/crops or lay
in firewood at the expected times which naturally resulted in unexpected
hardship & suffering but no Rapture.)

Pete H

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Either everyone has rights or some have privileges.
It's really that simple.
Walt Kelly

On Thu, 4 Nov 2004 19:24:52 +0000 (UTC),
(Paul Tomblin) vaguely proposed a theory
.......and in reply I say!:

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In a previous article, "riverman" said:
Watts was known as the 'anti-envronment Secretary" as he made statements
like "We will mine more, we will drill more, we will cut more timber!" and

You forgot his scarier pronouncements. I don't remember the exact quote,

I am not saying you are wrong, but either _find_ that quote, or wear
flame-proofs.....

I do think you are foolish, if not wrong, to place such an
inflammatory statement without backup on this forum.

but it was about how he expected the Second Coming to happen any day now,
and Jesus wouldn't be happy if we hadn't used up all the natural resources
before that happened.

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Have you noticed that people always run from what
they _need_ toward what they want?????

In a previous article, Old Nick said:
On Thu, 4 Nov 2004 19:24:52 +0000 (UTC),
(Paul Tomblin) vaguely proposed a theory

You forgot his scarier pronouncements. I don't remember the exact quote,

I am not saying you are wrong, but either _find_ that quote, or wear
flame-proofs.....

I do think you are foolish, if not wrong, to place such an
inflammatory statement without backup on this forum.

http://www.humanismbyjoe.com/Pat_Rob...Prophecies.htm
"God gave us these things to use. After the last tree is felled, Christ
will come back."


--
Paul Tomblin http://xcski.com/blogs/pt/
What philology luser tried to hang "fear of sameness" on bigotry?
Every time i see the word i want to kick his shins.
-- Pat Wade, on homophobia

Sorry about that, got interrupted.

To continue.

"riverman"

typed in Message-ID:
References:

http://www.cspo.org/home/news/ The one about the clean air degredation in
the Grand Canyon is from the Salt Lake Tribune....hardly the Sierra Club.

Are you claiming that this has just happened? Or that he isn't fixing it?
Why didn't Clinton fix it, he had 8 years?

links
to an article in the SanFran Chronicle about Bush's relaxation of the laws
creating roadless areas in National Forests. This opened up millions of
acres of forestland to timber industries, that had previously been off

limits, including hundreds of thousands of acres of old growth in the
Tongass in Alaska.

Actually had only been off limits since Jan.2001, when as a lame duck
President,
Clinton instituted the "Roadless Rules".
It was in court numerous times, the Tongass NF settled out of court, then there
was a Permanent Injuction against enforcing this rule change. While the Bush
Administration would probably support this ruling, they didn't have much to do
with it.
Presidents don't like to see administrative actions overturned by court
decision, set a bad precedent.

n Feb of this year, there was a consortium of scientists and Nobel
laureates, 63 in all, who condemned Bush's environmental policies as being
partisian, and of "systematically and deliberately distorting" the
scientific research to further political gain. I'm sure not all of

those
guys were in the pay of the National Wildlife Resources Council.
http://www.washingtonfax.com/samples/2004/20040219.html



I just followed all the links provided and found a lot of stuff like "well
found" and
"documented", but they did'nt seem to produce much of it. I'm afraid I have to
put this one down as editorial. I try to follow up with a little web search
later on that one.

Last year, Bush instructed the Dept of Interior to stop barring drilling for
petroresources or mining on land proposed for wilderness protection. In
fact, he has put the least amount of land into wilderness status of any
presiden since the Wilderness Act was first proposed.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5898

I'm sure this one is true. Last time I looked, the US economy still run on Oil,

so I have to say that I support this one.

OTOH, Increased funding from the Conservation Fund

Increased funding for wetland protection
(Must be a duck hunter).

Made the first major increase in the Clean Air Standards for a long time,
including the first time levels of Mercury were included
(outside of medical waste).

Not wonderful, but then again he didn't run on a "green" platform. But he isn't
clearcutting Yellowstone or stripmining The Smokies either. Despite the uproar,
he has been pretty middle of the road on all of this stuff and support the
things that the people that voted for him support. So he won't do
anything to the Clean Water or Air act, but will not restrict access to Public
Land.






SYOTR
Larry C.

On Fri, 5 Nov 2004 01:14:43 +0000 (UTC),
(Paul Tomblin) vaguely proposed a theory
.......and in reply I say!:

remove ns from my header address to reply via email

In a previous article, Old Nick said:
On Thu, 4 Nov 2004 19:24:52 +0000 (UTC),
(Paul Tomblin) vaguely proposed a theory

You forgot his scarier pronouncements. I don't remember the exact quote,

I am not saying you are wrong, but either _find_ that quote, or wear
flame-proofs.....

I do think you are foolish, if not wrong, to place such an
inflammatory statement without backup on this forum.

http://www.humanismbyjoe.com/Pat_Rob...Prophecies.htm
"God gave us these things to use. After the last tree is felled, Christ
will come back."

OK. Thanks. Be interesting to see what he _does_ then, though! G

Also, that does not appear to have anything to do with Watt(s).
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Have you noticed that people always run from what
they _need_ toward what they want?????