"Oci-One Kanubi" wrote in message
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I imagine it is hogwash. Seasickness is a system malfunction that
results from internal sensory conflict; yer eyes telling you one thing
while yer inner-ear balance center is telling you something else. Why
it manifests as sweating and nausea I don't know, but the symptoms are
generated by such a completely different mechanism than that of other
forms of gastro distress that I'd have a hard time believing that they
could be cured by putting something in yer stomach.


I believe the sweating and nausea are symptoms of shock, but I don't know
the mechanism that brings them on. That being said, though, implies that
there are lots of little mechanisms in place and who knows how yer stomache
and yer brain are connected. I could imagine that the bloodflow to yer
stomache might somehow change the bloodflow in yer brain (I like these
'yer's, btw), or maybe something is absorbed into yer blood (like capisin)
then transmitted to yer brain. Maybe having some gawdawful burning sensation
in yer gut 'distracts' yer brain. Hell, if you take all those psychomeds
(and recreational versions) into account, how can you DENY that you can
affect yer brain by putting something into yer stomache!

--riverman

"riverman" wrote in message ...
"Oci-One Kanubi" wrote in message
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I imagine it is hogwash. Seasickness is a system malfunction that
results from internal sensory conflict; yer eyes telling you one thing
while yer inner-ear balance center is telling you something else. Why
it manifests as sweating and nausea I don't know, but the symptoms are
generated by such a completely different mechanism than that of other
forms of gastro distress that I'd have a hard time believing that they
could be cured by putting something in yer stomach.


I believe the sweating and nausea are symptoms of shock, but I don't know
the mechanism that brings them on. That being said, though, implies that
there are lots of little mechanisms in place and who knows how yer stomache
and yer brain are connected. I could imagine that the bloodflow to yer
stomache might somehow change the bloodflow in yer brain (I like these
'yer's, btw), or maybe something is absorbed into yer blood (like capisin)
then transmitted to yer brain. Maybe having some gawdawful burning sensation
in yer gut 'distracts' yer brain. Hell, if you take all those psychomeds
(and recreational versions) into account, how can you DENY that you can
affect yer brain by putting something into yer stomache!


Myron, ol' blood, I wooden deny for a moment that putting
mind-altering substances into yer body (by way of yer mouth and
stomach) will alter yer mind.

I am making the assumptions that (1) most gastro problems are the
result either of an acid imbalance or of some kinda critter breeding
in the gut, and (2) alkaline tablets can deal with the acid imbalance,
and, perhaps, capsaicin can deal with the viri or amoebae, but that
(3) seasickness involves a third mechanism altogether, a psychosomatic
mechanism.

I cannot see any real reason to assume that a treatment that attacks
one of the three mechanisms should necessarily attack another. I
mean, s'pose capsaicin works by killing amoebae or viri. Not
unreasonable? OK, but there ARE NO such amoebae or viri (other than
the normal denizens of that dark and disgusting place) in a
motion-sick stomach if the sickness is purely psychosomatic, so how
can capsaicin kill them and sove yer problem?

As a test, next time you are knee-crawlin' and pot-huggin' due to some
tainted food, stick on a Dramamine patch. Proven to reduce
sea-sickness symptoms, I'll bet you a shiny new Sacajawea yankee
dollar that it won't do a thing for acid imbalance or ralphincritters.
In fact, I'll bet Dramamine works exactly because it IS one of those
psychomeds (I'm not so certain about thise one, so this time the bet
is only a shiny 2000 Maryland US quarter[I reserve the right to
substitute a Massachusetts quarter if I have to]).


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"Oci-One Kanubi" wrote in message
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"riverman" wrote in message
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I believe the sweating and nausea are symptoms of shock, but I don't know
the mechanism that brings them on. That being said, though, implies that
there are lots of little mechanisms in place and who knows how yer
stomache
and yer brain are connected. I could imagine that the bloodflow to yer
stomache might somehow change the bloodflow in yer brain (I like these
'yer's, btw), or maybe something is absorbed into yer blood (like
capisin)
then transmitted to yer brain. Maybe having some gawdawful burning
sensation
in yer gut 'distracts' yer brain. Hell, if you take all those psychomeds
(and recreational versions) into account, how can you DENY that you can
affect yer brain by putting something into yer stomache!


Myron, ol' blood, I wooden deny for a moment that putting
mind-altering substances into yer body (by way of yer mouth and
stomach) will alter yer mind.

I am making the assumptions that (1) most gastro problems are the
result either of an acid imbalance or of some kinda critter breeding
in the gut, and (2) alkaline tablets can deal with the acid imbalance,
and, perhaps, capsaicin can deal with the viri or amoebae, but that
(3) seasickness involves a third mechanism altogether, a psychosomatic
mechanism.

I cannot see any real reason to assume that a treatment that attacks
one of the three mechanisms should necessarily attack another. I
mean, s'pose capsaicin works by killing amoebae or viri. Not
unreasonable? OK, but there ARE NO such amoebae or viri (other than
the normal denizens of that dark and disgusting place) in a
motion-sick stomach if the sickness is purely psychosomatic, so how
can capsaicin kill them and sove yer problem?

As a test, next time you are knee-crawlin' and pot-huggin' due to some
tainted food, stick on a Dramamine patch. Proven to reduce
sea-sickness symptoms, I'll bet you a shiny new Sacajawea yankee
dollar that it won't do a thing for acid imbalance or ralphincritters.
In fact, I'll bet Dramamine works exactly because it IS one of those
psychomeds (I'm not so certain about thise one, so this time the bet
is only a shiny 2000 Maryland US quarter[I reserve the right to
substitute a Massachusetts quarter if I have to]).



Richard, ol' paddlemeister to the stars. You have (quite likely unknowingly)
proposed a strawman argument here, which I will underscore for you, herein
and forthwith.

You state, *and I agree*, that seasickness is NOT a typical gastro problem.
Not an acid imbalance, not a critter in yer bowels, but IS a psychosomatic
mechanism. Specifically, it seems to be caused by some sort of mixed signal
between yer semicircular canals and yer eyeballs, which then tells your
stomache to come out your nostrils. However, *and I still agree with you
here*: the abdominal symptoms and the resulting spectacle is not the
illness. The head thing is. The chumming is merely the symptom.

Furthermore, we agree that treating the abdominal symptoms is not what
will cure the seasickness. Yet, you propose that I am offering up that
capsaicin will cure seasickness by attacking some stomache critter or acid
imbalance. I ham saying no such thang. I'm saying that perhaps capsaicin
gets into yer BRAIN via the Blood Stream (class 4+) and does something about
the psychosomatic source of your symptoms. Or that the the blood going to
yer stomache somehow robs yer brain of blood and 'distracts' it, or even the
pain of the chili eating a hole in yer gut 'distracts' yer brain. I said:

I could imagine that the bloodflow to yer
stomache might somehow change the bloodflow in yer brain... or maybe
something is absorbed into yer blood (like capisin)
then transmitted to yer brain. Maybe having some gawdawful burning
sensation
in yer gut 'distracts' yer brain.

I am clearly stating that I realize that the source of seasickness is in yer
haid, and that possibly something in chili gets into your bloodstream, makes
its way into your haid, and cures what ails ya.

Hell, maybe THAT'S why our brain makes us puke when we are seasick...sort of
like hitting 'reset' by overwhelming us and distracting the clash of
eyeball-semicircular canal signals. I dunno, but I didn't say what you said
I said, you see?

roll eyes

--riverman

A few messages ago, this thread got off onto spelling chili. I just recalled the
following quote.

"I don't give a damn for a man that can only spell a word one way." -- Mark Twain

--
Wayne T. Watson (Watson Adventures, Prop., Nevada City, CA)
(121.015 Deg. W, 39.262 Deg. N) GMT-8 hr std. time)
Obz Site: 39° 15' 7" N, 121° 2' 32" W, 2700 feet
(Formerly Homo habilis, erectus, heidelbergensis and now sapiens)

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It's cheaper. -- Greetings card.

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On 3-Nov-2004, "W. Watson" wrote:

"I don't give a damn for a man that can only spell a word one way." -- Mark Twain

It was Jefferson - by Twain's time, spelling was standardized.

"it is an unfortunate man who can think of only one way to spell a word "


Mike

"Michael Daly" wrote in message
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On 3-Nov-2004, "W. Watson" wrote:

"I don't give a damn for a man that can only spell a word one way." --
Mark Twain

It was Jefferson - by Twain's time, spelling was standardized.

"it is an unfortunate man who can think of only one way to spell a word "


"I don't give a damn for an unfortunate man who can think of only one way to
attribute a quote."

--riverman

On 3-Nov-2004, "riverman" wrote:

"I don't give a damn for an unfortunate man who can think of only one way to
attribute a quote."

Yogi Berra, right? I mean... everything else is attributed to him!

ike

"riverman" wrote in message ...
"Oci-One Kanubi" wrote in message
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"riverman" wrote in message
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I believe the sweating and nausea are symptoms of shock, but I don't know
the mechanism that brings them on. That being said, though, implies that
there are lots of little mechanisms in place and who knows how yer
stomache
and yer brain are connected. I could imagine that the bloodflow to yer
stomache might somehow change the bloodflow in yer brain (I like these
'yer's, btw), or maybe something is absorbed into yer blood (like
capisin)
then transmitted to yer brain. Maybe having some gawdawful burning
sensation
in yer gut 'distracts' yer brain. Hell, if you take all those psychomeds
(and recreational versions) into account, how can you DENY that you can
affect yer brain by putting something into yer stomache!


Myron, ol' blood, I wooden deny for a moment that putting
mind-altering substances into yer body (by way of yer mouth and
stomach) will alter yer mind.

I am making the assumptions that (1) most gastro problems are the
result either of an acid imbalance or of some kinda critter breeding
in the gut, and (2) alkaline tablets can deal with the acid imbalance,
and, perhaps, capsaicin can deal with the viri or amoebae, but that
(3) seasickness involves a third mechanism altogether, a psychosomatic
mechanism.

I cannot see any real reason to assume that a treatment that attacks
one of the three mechanisms should necessarily attack another. I
mean, s'pose capsaicin works by killing amoebae or viri. Not
unreasonable? OK, but there ARE NO such amoebae or viri (other than
the normal denizens of that dark and disgusting place) in a
motion-sick stomach if the sickness is purely psychosomatic, so how
can capsaicin kill them and sove yer problem?

As a test, next time you are knee-crawlin' and pot-huggin' due to some
tainted food, stick on a Dramamine patch. Proven to reduce
sea-sickness symptoms, I'll bet you a shiny new Sacajawea yankee
dollar that it won't do a thing for acid imbalance or ralphincritters.
In fact, I'll bet Dramamine works exactly because it IS one of those
psychomeds (I'm not so certain about thise one, so this time the bet
is only a shiny 2000 Maryland US quarter[I reserve the right to
substitute a Massachusetts quarter if I have to]).



Richard, ol' paddlemeister to the stars. You have (quite likely unknowingly)
proposed a strawman argument here, which I will underscore for you, herein
and forthwith.

You state, *and I agree*, that seasickness is NOT a typical gastro problem.
Not an acid imbalance, not a critter in yer bowels, but IS a psychosomatic
mechanism. Specifically, it seems to be caused by some sort of mixed signal
between yer semicircular canals and yer eyeballs, which then tells your
stomache to come out your nostrils. However, *and I still agree with you
here*: the abdominal symptoms and the resulting spectacle is not the
illness. The head thing is. The chumming is merely the symptom.

Furthermore, we agree that treating the abdominal symptoms is not what
will cure the seasickness. Yet, you propose that I am offering up that
capsaicin will cure seasickness by attacking some stomache critter or acid
imbalance. I ham saying no such thang. I'm saying that perhaps capsaicin
gets into yer BRAIN via the Blood Stream (class 4+) and does something about
the psychosomatic source of your symptoms. Or that the the blood going to
yer stomache somehow robs yer brain of blood and 'distracts' it, or even the
pain of the chili eating a hole in yer gut 'distracts' yer brain. I said:

I could imagine that the bloodflow to yer
stomache might somehow change the bloodflow in yer brain... or maybe
something is absorbed into yer blood (like capisin)
then transmitted to yer brain. Maybe having some gawdawful burning
sensation
in yer gut 'distracts' yer brain.

I am clearly stating that I realize that the source of seasickness is in yer
haid, and that possibly something in chili gets into your bloodstream, makes
its way into your haid, and cures what ails ya.

Hell, maybe THAT'S why our brain makes us puke when we are seasick...sort of
like hitting 'reset' by overwhelming us and distracting the clash of
eyeball-semicircular canal signals. I dunno, but I didn't say what you said
I said, you see?


IC.

-R

"Oci-One Kanubi" wrote in message
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IC.

LOL. ICUC2.

CU

--riverman