I've been reading the book Wildlife Wars by Terry Grosz. In one story, he mentions
that he easily becomes seasick, and someone recommended eating a strong dose of 'hot'
chilli before going on the water. It actually worked up to a point. It did a very
good job of preventing seasickness, but, unfortunately, the chilli was contanimated
with salmonella and he paid the price with a bad case of diaherra later. The cook and
restaurant also paid a price later when he returned. Anyway, he never revealed if he
tried again and if it was truly successful. Anyone know?
--
Wayne T. Watson (Watson Adventures, Prop., Nevada City, CA)
(121.015 Deg. W, 39.262 Deg. N) GMT-8 hr std. time)
Obz Site: 39° 15' 7" N, 121° 2' 32" W, 2700 feet
(Formerly Homo habilis, erectus, heidelbergensis and now sapiens)

Never keep up with the Jones's. Drag them down to your level.
It's cheaper. -- Greetings card.

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W. Watson wrote:

I've been reading the book Wildlife Wars by Terry Grosz. In one story,
he mentions that he easily becomes seasick, and someone recommended
eating a strong dose of 'hot' chilli before going on the water. It
actually worked up to a point. It did a very good job of preventing
seasickness, but, unfortunately, the chilli was contanimated with
salmonella and he paid the price with a bad case of diaherra later. The
cook and restaurant also paid a price later when he returned. Anyway, he
never revealed if he tried again and if it was truly successful. Anyone
know?

I'd suggest a strong dose of hot CHILE -- as in whole, crushed or
ground dried chiles taken straight, sprinkled generously on food or
made into some sort of "chile tea" -- might prove benificial to avoid
seasickness. I'm not sure about CHILI, as in the spicy stew made with
chopped and/or ground meat and chiles. At least the dried chiles
should avoid the salmonella thing. Whatever works I guess...

On Sat, 30 Oct 2004 01:59:22 GMT, Rich McCormack
vaguely proposed a theory
.......and in reply I say!:

remove ns from my header address to reply via email

chilli, chile, chili. all the same thing.

I'd suggest a strong dose of hot CHILE -- as in whole, crushed or
ground dried chiles taken straight, sprinkled generously on food or
made into some sort of "chile tea" -- might prove benificial to avoid
seasickness. I'm not sure about CHILI, as in the spicy stew made with
chopped and/or ground meat and chiles. At least the dried chiles
should avoid the salmonella thing. Whatever works I guess...

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they _need_ toward what they want?????

Old Nick wrote:
On Sat, 30 Oct 2004 01:59:22 GMT, Rich McCormack
vaguely proposed a theory
......and in reply I say!:

remove ns from my header address to reply via email

chilli, chile, chili. all the same thing.

Chilli and chili are spelling variations of the word for the spicy
meat stew. Chile is the spelling of the word for one of the
ingredients in chili. Frankly, I don't care which spelling variations
one uses when describing the stew or it's ingredients...unless it
might cause confusion. In the original post, it was mentioned...

someone recommended eating a strong dose of 'hot' chilli before going on the water

as a seasickness preventative. I speculated that the recommendation
might have meant a strong dose of chile, the ingredient, rather than
chilli, the stew. Made more sense to me, since chile (again, the
ingredient) has medicinal properties, the relief of gastrointestinal
problems being one of them.

I really mean it when I say I don't care how one spells the word for
the stew or the ingredient. When I make my version of the spicy meat
stew called chili, chilli, or whatever, I call it My Chile...

http://home.pacbell.net/macknet/mychile.html

Rich McCormack wrote:


Old Nick wrote:

On Sat, 30 Oct 2004 01:59:22 GMT, Rich McCormack
vaguely proposed a theory ......and in reply I say!:
remove ns from my header address to reply via email

chilli, chile, chili. all the same thing.


Chilli and chili are spelling variations of the word for the spicy
meat stew. Chile is the spelling of the word for one of the
ingredients in chili. Frankly, I don't care which spelling variations
one uses when describing the stew or it's ingredients...unless it
might cause confusion. In the original post, it was mentioned...

someone recommended eating a strong dose of 'hot' chilli before going
on the water


as a seasickness preventative. I speculated that the recommendation
might have meant a strong dose of chile, the ingredient, rather than
chilli, the stew. Made more sense to me, since chile (again, the
ingredient) has medicinal properties, the relief of gastrointestinal
problems being one of them.

I really mean it when I say I don't care how one spells the word for
the stew or the ingredient. When I make my version of the spicy meat
stew called chili, chilli, or whatever, I call it My Chile...

http://home.pacbell.net/macknet/mychile.html

The author uses the word chili. The man who recommends the 'cure' talks about huge
pots of chili that were used to feed soldiers on his LST (WWII landing craft). The
author mentions he ordered a "a big bowl of chili" at the restaurant. He also orders
some hot sauce to go with it. The chili included beans, and "it was full of the best
darned meat". BTW, the author was 6' 4" and 320 pounds in his early 20s, which is the
time of the incident.

--
Wayne T. Watson (Watson Adventures, Prop., Nevada City, CA)
(121.015 Deg. W, 39.262 Deg. N) GMT-8 hr std. time)
Obz Site: 39° 15' 7" N, 121° 2' 32" W, 2700 feet
(Formerly Homo habilis, erectus, heidelbergensis and now sapiens)

Never keep up with the Jones's. Drag them down to your level.
It's cheaper. -- Greetings card.

Web Page: home.earthlink.net/~mtnviews

"W. Watson" wrote in message
nk.net...
Rich McCormack wrote:


Old Nick wrote:

On Sat, 30 Oct 2004 01:59:22 GMT, Rich McCormack
vaguely proposed a theory ......and in reply I say!:
remove ns from my header address to reply via email

chilli, chile, chili. all the same thing.


Chilli and chili are spelling variations of the word for the spicy
meat stew. Chile is the spelling of the word for one of the
ingredients in chili. Frankly, I don't care which spelling variations
one uses when describing the stew or it's ingredients...unless it
might cause confusion. In the original post, it was mentioned...

someone recommended eating a strong dose of 'hot' chilli before going on
the water


as a seasickness preventative. I speculated that the recommendation
might have meant a strong dose of chile, the ingredient, rather than
chilli, the stew. Made more sense to me, since chile (again, the
ingredient) has medicinal properties, the relief of gastrointestinal
problems being one of them.

I really mean it when I say I don't care how one spells the word for
the stew or the ingredient. When I make my version of the spicy meat
stew called chili, chilli, or whatever, I call it My Chile...

http://home.pacbell.net/macknet/mychile.html

The author uses the word chili. The man who recommends the 'cure' talks
about huge pots of chili that were used to feed soldiers on his LST (WWII
landing craft). The author mentions he ordered a "a big bowl of chili" at
the restaurant. He also orders some hot sauce to go with it. The chili
included beans, and "it was full of the best darned meat". BTW, the author
was 6' 4" and 320 pounds in his early 20s, which is the time of the
incident.


Hmmm, strange. We can assume that the author is, indeed, referring to the
meat stew "Chili" (or chilli, whatever) rather than just a mouth-searing
dose of hot chiles. I could not imagine that a belly full of greasy meat,
beans, tomato sauce and sundry other things would actually dissuade
seasickness. On the other hand, I know from experience that a flaming bowl
of hot hot chili does wonders for a hangover...

I suppose the combined medicinal effects of the chiles and the garlic might
play a role. Its a pretty western thing to try and distill out what the
medicinal ingredient is and just dose up on that. Presonally, I think eating
a bowl of chili beforehand might be more fun than forcing down a mouthful of
chiles and garlic between heaves. If it didn't work, it would provide a
much better visual.

Food for thought....

--riverman

"W. Watson" wondered:

I've been reading the book Wildlife Wars by Terry Grosz. In one story, he mentions
that he easily becomes seasick, and someone recommended eating a strong dose of 'hot'
chilli before going on the water. It actually worked up to a point. It did a very
good job of preventing seasickness, but, unfortunately, the chilli was contanimated
with salmonella and he paid the price with a bad case of diaherra later. The cook and
restaurant also paid a price later when he returned. Anyway, he never revealed if he
tried again and if it was truly successful. Anyone know?


Several replies have adduced the gastrointestinal medicinal effects of
capsaicin, and thus judged that there is probably something to be said
for the ingestion of chili as a seasickness preventive.

I imagine it is hogwash. Seasickness is a system malfunction that
results from internal sensory conflict; yer eyes telling you one thing
while yer inner-ear balance center is telling you something else. Why
it manifests as sweating and nausea I don't know, but the symptoms are
generated by such a completely different mechanism than that of other
forms of gastro distress that I'd have a hard time believing that they
could be cured by putting something in yer stomach.


-Richard, His Kanubic Travesty
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"Oci-One Kanubi" wrote in message
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I imagine it is hogwash. Seasickness is a system malfunction that
results from internal sensory conflict; yer eyes telling you one thing
while yer inner-ear balance center is telling you something else. Why
it manifests as sweating and nausea I don't know, but the symptoms are
generated by such a completely different mechanism than that of other
forms of gastro distress that I'd have a hard time believing that they
could be cured by putting something in yer stomach.


I believe the sweating and nausea are symptoms of shock, but I don't know
the mechanism that brings them on. That being said, though, implies that
there are lots of little mechanisms in place and who knows how yer stomache
and yer brain are connected. I could imagine that the bloodflow to yer
stomache might somehow change the bloodflow in yer brain (I like these
'yer's, btw), or maybe something is absorbed into yer blood (like capisin)
then transmitted to yer brain. Maybe having some gawdawful burning sensation
in yer gut 'distracts' yer brain. Hell, if you take all those psychomeds
(and recreational versions) into account, how can you DENY that you can
affect yer brain by putting something into yer stomache!

--riverman

"riverman" wrote in message ...
"Oci-One Kanubi" wrote in message
om...

I imagine it is hogwash. Seasickness is a system malfunction that
results from internal sensory conflict; yer eyes telling you one thing
while yer inner-ear balance center is telling you something else. Why
it manifests as sweating and nausea I don't know, but the symptoms are
generated by such a completely different mechanism than that of other
forms of gastro distress that I'd have a hard time believing that they
could be cured by putting something in yer stomach.


I believe the sweating and nausea are symptoms of shock, but I don't know
the mechanism that brings them on. That being said, though, implies that
there are lots of little mechanisms in place and who knows how yer stomache
and yer brain are connected. I could imagine that the bloodflow to yer
stomache might somehow change the bloodflow in yer brain (I like these
'yer's, btw), or maybe something is absorbed into yer blood (like capisin)
then transmitted to yer brain. Maybe having some gawdawful burning sensation
in yer gut 'distracts' yer brain. Hell, if you take all those psychomeds
(and recreational versions) into account, how can you DENY that you can
affect yer brain by putting something into yer stomache!


Myron, ol' blood, I wooden deny for a moment that putting
mind-altering substances into yer body (by way of yer mouth and
stomach) will alter yer mind.

I am making the assumptions that (1) most gastro problems are the
result either of an acid imbalance or of some kinda critter breeding
in the gut, and (2) alkaline tablets can deal with the acid imbalance,
and, perhaps, capsaicin can deal with the viri or amoebae, but that
(3) seasickness involves a third mechanism altogether, a psychosomatic
mechanism.

I cannot see any real reason to assume that a treatment that attacks
one of the three mechanisms should necessarily attack another. I
mean, s'pose capsaicin works by killing amoebae or viri. Not
unreasonable? OK, but there ARE NO such amoebae or viri (other than
the normal denizens of that dark and disgusting place) in a
motion-sick stomach if the sickness is purely psychosomatic, so how
can capsaicin kill them and sove yer problem?

As a test, next time you are knee-crawlin' and pot-huggin' due to some
tainted food, stick on a Dramamine patch. Proven to reduce
sea-sickness symptoms, I'll bet you a shiny new Sacajawea yankee
dollar that it won't do a thing for acid imbalance or ralphincritters.
In fact, I'll bet Dramamine works exactly because it IS one of those
psychomeds (I'm not so certain about thise one, so this time the bet
is only a shiny 2000 Maryland US quarter[I reserve the right to
substitute a Massachusetts quarter if I have to]).


-Richard, His Kanubic Travesty
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================================================== ====================
Richard Hopley Winston-Salem, NC, USA
rhopley[at]earthlink[dot]net
Nothing really matters except Boats, Sex, and Rock'n'Roll
rhopley[at]wfubmc[dot]edu
OK, OK; computer programming for scientific research also matters
================================================== ====================

"Oci-One Kanubi" wrote in message
om...
"riverman" wrote in message
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I believe the sweating and nausea are symptoms of shock, but I don't know
the mechanism that brings them on. That being said, though, implies that
there are lots of little mechanisms in place and who knows how yer
stomache
and yer brain are connected. I could imagine that the bloodflow to yer
stomache might somehow change the bloodflow in yer brain (I like these
'yer's, btw), or maybe something is absorbed into yer blood (like
capisin)
then transmitted to yer brain. Maybe having some gawdawful burning
sensation
in yer gut 'distracts' yer brain. Hell, if you take all those psychomeds
(and recreational versions) into account, how can you DENY that you can
affect yer brain by putting something into yer stomache!


Myron, ol' blood, I wooden deny for a moment that putting
mind-altering substances into yer body (by way of yer mouth and
stomach) will alter yer mind.

I am making the assumptions that (1) most gastro problems are the
result either of an acid imbalance or of some kinda critter breeding
in the gut, and (2) alkaline tablets can deal with the acid imbalance,
and, perhaps, capsaicin can deal with the viri or amoebae, but that
(3) seasickness involves a third mechanism altogether, a psychosomatic
mechanism.

I cannot see any real reason to assume that a treatment that attacks
one of the three mechanisms should necessarily attack another. I
mean, s'pose capsaicin works by killing amoebae or viri. Not
unreasonable? OK, but there ARE NO such amoebae or viri (other than
the normal denizens of that dark and disgusting place) in a
motion-sick stomach if the sickness is purely psychosomatic, so how
can capsaicin kill them and sove yer problem?

As a test, next time you are knee-crawlin' and pot-huggin' due to some
tainted food, stick on a Dramamine patch. Proven to reduce
sea-sickness symptoms, I'll bet you a shiny new Sacajawea yankee
dollar that it won't do a thing for acid imbalance or ralphincritters.
In fact, I'll bet Dramamine works exactly because it IS one of those
psychomeds (I'm not so certain about thise one, so this time the bet
is only a shiny 2000 Maryland US quarter[I reserve the right to
substitute a Massachusetts quarter if I have to]).



Richard, ol' paddlemeister to the stars. You have (quite likely unknowingly)
proposed a strawman argument here, which I will underscore for you, herein
and forthwith.

You state, *and I agree*, that seasickness is NOT a typical gastro problem.
Not an acid imbalance, not a critter in yer bowels, but IS a psychosomatic
mechanism. Specifically, it seems to be caused by some sort of mixed signal
between yer semicircular canals and yer eyeballs, which then tells your
stomache to come out your nostrils. However, *and I still agree with you
here*: the abdominal symptoms and the resulting spectacle is not the
illness. The head thing is. The chumming is merely the symptom.

Furthermore, we agree that treating the abdominal symptoms is not what
will cure the seasickness. Yet, you propose that I am offering up that
capsaicin will cure seasickness by attacking some stomache critter or acid
imbalance. I ham saying no such thang. I'm saying that perhaps capsaicin
gets into yer BRAIN via the Blood Stream (class 4+) and does something about
the psychosomatic source of your symptoms. Or that the the blood going to
yer stomache somehow robs yer brain of blood and 'distracts' it, or even the
pain of the chili eating a hole in yer gut 'distracts' yer brain. I said:

I could imagine that the bloodflow to yer
stomache might somehow change the bloodflow in yer brain... or maybe
something is absorbed into yer blood (like capisin)
then transmitted to yer brain. Maybe having some gawdawful burning
sensation
in yer gut 'distracts' yer brain.

I am clearly stating that I realize that the source of seasickness is in yer
haid, and that possibly something in chili gets into your bloodstream, makes
its way into your haid, and cures what ails ya.

Hell, maybe THAT'S why our brain makes us puke when we are seasick...sort of
like hitting 'reset' by overwhelming us and distracting the clash of
eyeball-semicircular canal signals. I dunno, but I didn't say what you said
I said, you see?

roll eyes

--riverman