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NOYB October 27th 04 02:18 AM

OT--Bush has the higher IQ
 
POLITICAL POINTS
Secret Weapon for Bush?
By JOHN TIERNEY

To Bush-bashers, it may be the most infuriating revelation yet from the
military records of the two presidential candidates: the young George W.
Bush probably had a higher I.Q. than did the young John Kerry.

That, at least, is the conclusion of Steve Sailer, a conservative columnist
at the Web magazine Vdare.com and a veteran student of presidential I.Q.'s.
During the last presidential campaign Mr. Sailer estimated from Mr. Bush's
SAT score (1206) that his I.Q. was in the mid-120's, about 10 points lower
than Al Gore's.

Mr. Kerry's SAT score is not known, but now Mr. Sailer has done a comparison
of the intelligence tests in the candidates' military records. They are not
formal I.Q. tests, but Mr. Sailer says they are similar enough to make
reasonable extrapolations.

Mr. Bush's score on the Air Force Officer Qualifying Test at age 22 again
suggests that his I.Q was the mid-120's, putting Mr. Bush in about the 95th
percentile of the population, according to Mr. Sailer. Mr. Kerry's I.Q. was
about 120, in the 91st percentile, according to Mr. Sailer's extrapolation
of his score at age 22 on the Navy Officer Qualification Test.

Linda Gottfredson, an I.Q. expert at the University of Delaware, called it a
creditable analysis said she was not surprised at the results or that so
many people had assumed that Mr. Kerry was smarter. "People will often be
misled into thinking someone is brighter if he says something complicated
they can't understand," Professor Gottfredson said.



http://www.nytimes.com/pages/politics/trail/





thunder October 27th 04 11:40 AM

On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 21:18:44 -0400, NOYB wrote:

POLITICAL POINTS
Secret Weapon for Bush?
By JOHN TIERNEY

To Bush-bashers, it may be the most infuriating revelation yet from the
military records of the two presidential candidates: the young George W.
Bush probably had a higher I.Q. than did the young John Kerry.


Probably, before all those years of drinking took it's toll.;-) Frankly,
I'm more concerned with Bush's intelligence now, and, honestly, he doesn't
seem that bright.

basskisser October 27th 04 03:04 PM

"NOYB" wrote in message ...
POLITICAL POINTS
Secret Weapon for Bush?
By JOHN TIERNEY

To Bush-bashers, it may be the most infuriating revelation yet from the
military records of the two presidential candidates: the young George W.
Bush probably had a higher I.Q. than did the young John Kerry.

That, at least, is the conclusion of Steve Sailer, a conservative columnist
at the Web magazine Vdare.com and a veteran student of presidential I.Q.'s.
During the last presidential campaign Mr. Sailer estimated from Mr. Bush's
SAT score (1206) that his I.Q. was in the mid-120's, about 10 points lower
than Al Gore's.

Mr. Kerry's SAT score is not known, but now Mr. Sailer has done a comparison
of the intelligence tests in the candidates' military records. They are not
formal I.Q. tests, but Mr. Sailer says they are similar enough to make
reasonable extrapolations.

Mr. Bush's score on the a href="http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=1&k=air%20force" onmouseover="window.status='Air Force'; return true;" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;"Air Force/a Officer Qualifying Test at age 22 again
suggests that his I.Q was the mid-120's, putting Mr. Bush in about the 95th
percentile of the population, according to Mr. Sailer. Mr. Kerry's I.Q. was
about 120, in the 91st percentile, according to Mr. Sailer's extrapolation
of his score at age 22 on the Navy Officer Qualification Test.

Linda Gottfredson, an I.Q. expert at the University of Delaware, called it a
creditable analysis said she was not surprised at the results or that so
many people had assumed that Mr. Kerry was smarter. "People will often be
misled into thinking someone is brighter if he says something complicated
they can't understand," Professor Gottfredson said.



http://www.nytimes.com/pages/politics/trail/


That's odd, the study below seems just as plausible, and puts Bush
quite a bit lower:
WASHINGTON --In a report published Monday, the Lovenstein Institute of
Scranton, Pennsylvania detailed its findings of a four month study of
the intelligence quotient of President George W. Bush. Since 1973, the
Lovenstein Institute has published its research to the education
community on each new president, which includes the famous "IQ" report
among others.

According to statements in the report, there have been twelve
presidents over the past 60 years, from F. D. Roosevelt to G. W. Bush
who were all rated based on scholarly achievements, writings that they
alone produced without aid of staff, their ability to speak with
clarity, and several other psychological factors which were then
scored in the Swanson/Crain system of intelligence ranking. The study
determined the following IQs of each president as accurate to within
five percentage points:

147 Franklin D. Roosevelt (D)
132 Harry Truman (D)
122 Dwight D. Eisenhower (R)
174 John F. Kennedy (D)
126 Lyndon B. Johnson (D)
155 Richard M. Nixon (R)
121 Gerald R. Ford (R)
176 James E. Carter (D)
105 Ronald W. Reagan (R)
98 George H. W. Bush (R)
182 William J. Clinton (D)
91 George W. Bush (D)


The six Republican presidents of the past 60 years had an average IQ
of 115.5, with President Nixon having the highest IQ, at 155.
President G. W. Bush was rated the lowest of all the Republicans with
an IQ of 91.

The six Democrat presidents had IQs with an average of 156, with
President Clinton having the highest IQ, at 182. President Lyndon B.
Johnson was rated the lowest of all the Democrats with an IQ of 126.

No president other than Carter (D) has released his actual IQ, 176.
Among comments made concerning the specific testing of President GW
Bush, his low ratings were due to his apparent difficulty to command
the English language in public statements, his limited use of
vocabulary (6,500 words for Bush versus an average of 11,000 words for
other presidents), his lack of scholarly achievements other than a
basic MBA, and an absence of any body of work which could be studied
on an intellectual basis.

The complete report documents the methods and procedures used to
arrive at these ratings, including depth of sentence structure and
voice stress confidence analysis. "All the Presidents prior to George
W. Bush had a least one book under their belt, and most had written
several white papers during their education or early careers..

Not so with President Bush," Dr. Lovenstein said. "He has no published
works or writings, so in many ways that made it more difficult to
arrive at an assessment. We had to rely more heavily on transcripts of
his unscripted public speaking."

The Lovenstein Institute of Scranton Pennsylvania think tank includes
high caliber historians, psychiatrists, sociologists, scientists in
human behavior, and psychologists. Among their ranks are Dr. Werner R.
Lovenstein, world-renowned sociologist, and Professor Patricia F.
Dilliams, a world-respected psychiatrist. This study was commissioned
on February 13, 2001, and released on July 9, 2001, to subscribing
member universities and organizations within the education community.

Tamaroak October 27th 04 05:34 PM

As if we needed a study to tell us all this?

Capt. Jeff

NOYB October 27th 04 05:54 PM


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POLITICAL POINTS
Secret Weapon for Bush?
By JOHN TIERNEY

To Bush-bashers, it may be the most infuriating revelation yet from the
military records of the two presidential candidates: the young George W.
Bush probably had a higher I.Q. than did the young John Kerry.

That, at least, is the conclusion of Steve Sailer, a conservative
columnist
at the Web magazine Vdare.com and a veteran student of presidential
I.Q.'s.
During the last presidential campaign Mr. Sailer estimated from Mr.
Bush's
SAT score (1206) that his I.Q. was in the mid-120's, about 10 points
lower
than Al Gore's.

Mr. Kerry's SAT score is not known, but now Mr. Sailer has done a
comparison
of the intelligence tests in the candidates' military records. They are
not
formal I.Q. tests, but Mr. Sailer says they are similar enough to make
reasonable extrapolations.

Mr. Bush's score on the a
href="http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=1&k=air%20force"
onmouseover="window.status='Air Force'; return true;"
onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;"Air Force/a Officer
Qualifying Test at age 22 again
suggests that his I.Q was the mid-120's, putting Mr. Bush in about the
95th
percentile of the population, according to Mr. Sailer. Mr. Kerry's I.Q.
was
about 120, in the 91st percentile, according to Mr. Sailer's
extrapolation
of his score at age 22 on the Navy Officer Qualification Test.

Linda Gottfredson, an I.Q. expert at the University of Delaware, called
it a
creditable analysis said she was not surprised at the results or that so
many people had assumed that Mr. Kerry was smarter. "People will often be
misled into thinking someone is brighter if he says something complicated
they can't understand," Professor Gottfredson said.



http://www.nytimes.com/pages/politics/trail/


That's odd, the study below seems just as plausible, and puts Bush
quite a bit lower:
WASHINGTON --In a report published Monday, the Lovenstein Institute


I knew that you'd be stupid enough to post that, so I intentionally snipped
the following part of the NY Times article just to make you look stupid.
Congratulations for coming through as expected.



"Many Americans still believe a report that began circulating on the
Internet three years ago, and was quoted in "Doonesbury," that Mr. Bush's
I.Q. was 91, the lowest of any modern American president. But that report
from the non-existent Lovenstein Institute turned out to be a hoax."





P.Fritz October 27th 04 06:06 PM


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POLITICAL POINTS
Secret Weapon for Bush?
By JOHN TIERNEY

To Bush-bashers, it may be the most infuriating revelation yet from the
military records of the two presidential candidates: the young George W.
Bush probably had a higher I.Q. than did the young John Kerry.

That, at least, is the conclusion of Steve Sailer, a conservative
columnist
at the Web magazine Vdare.com and a veteran student of presidential
I.Q.'s.
During the last presidential campaign Mr. Sailer estimated from Mr.
Bush's
SAT score (1206) that his I.Q. was in the mid-120's, about 10 points
lower
than Al Gore's.

Mr. Kerry's SAT score is not known, but now Mr. Sailer has done a
comparison
of the intelligence tests in the candidates' military records. They are
not
formal I.Q. tests, but Mr. Sailer says they are similar enough to make
reasonable extrapolations.

Mr. Bush's score on the a
href="http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=1&k=air%20force"
onmouseover="window.status='Air Force'; return true;"
onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;"Air Force/a Officer
Qualifying Test at age 22 again
suggests that his I.Q was the mid-120's, putting Mr. Bush in about the
95th
percentile of the population, according to Mr. Sailer. Mr. Kerry's I.Q.
was
about 120, in the 91st percentile, according to Mr. Sailer's
extrapolation
of his score at age 22 on the Navy Officer Qualification Test.

Linda Gottfredson, an I.Q. expert at the University of Delaware, called
it a
creditable analysis said she was not surprised at the results or that so
many people had assumed that Mr. Kerry was smarter. "People will often
be
misled into thinking someone is brighter if he says something
complicated
they can't understand," Professor Gottfredson said.



http://www.nytimes.com/pages/politics/trail/


That's odd, the study below seems just as plausible, and puts Bush
quite a bit lower:
WASHINGTON --In a report published Monday, the Lovenstein Institute


I knew that you'd be stupid enough to post that, so I intentionally
snipped the following part of the NY Times article just to make you look
stupid. Congratulations for coming through as expected.



"Many Americans still believe a report that began circulating on the
Internet three years ago, and was quoted in "Doonesbury," that Mr. Bush's
I.Q. was 91, the lowest of any modern American president. But that report
from the non-existent Lovenstein Institute turned out to be a hoax."


Once again asslicker proves why he is "King of the NG idiots"

LMAO












JimH October 27th 04 06:56 PM


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POLITICAL POINTS
Secret Weapon for Bush?
By JOHN TIERNEY

To Bush-bashers, it may be the most infuriating revelation yet from the
military records of the two presidential candidates: the young George W.
Bush probably had a higher I.Q. than did the young John Kerry.

That, at least, is the conclusion of Steve Sailer, a conservative
columnist
at the Web magazine Vdare.com and a veteran student of presidential
I.Q.'s.
During the last presidential campaign Mr. Sailer estimated from Mr.
Bush's
SAT score (1206) that his I.Q. was in the mid-120's, about 10 points
lower
than Al Gore's.

Mr. Kerry's SAT score is not known, but now Mr. Sailer has done a
comparison
of the intelligence tests in the candidates' military records. They are
not
formal I.Q. tests, but Mr. Sailer says they are similar enough to make
reasonable extrapolations.

Mr. Bush's score on the a
href="http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=1&k=air%20force"
onmouseover="window.status='Air Force'; return true;"
onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;"Air Force/a Officer
Qualifying Test at age 22 again
suggests that his I.Q was the mid-120's, putting Mr. Bush in about the
95th
percentile of the population, according to Mr. Sailer. Mr. Kerry's I.Q.
was
about 120, in the 91st percentile, according to Mr. Sailer's
extrapolation
of his score at age 22 on the Navy Officer Qualification Test.

Linda Gottfredson, an I.Q. expert at the University of Delaware, called
it a
creditable analysis said she was not surprised at the results or that so
many people had assumed that Mr. Kerry was smarter. "People will often
be
misled into thinking someone is brighter if he says something
complicated
they can't understand," Professor Gottfredson said.



http://www.nytimes.com/pages/politics/trail/


That's odd, the study below seems just as plausible, and puts Bush
quite a bit lower:
WASHINGTON --In a report published Monday, the Lovenstein Institute


I knew that you'd be stupid enough to post that, so I intentionally
snipped the following part of the NY Times article just to make you look
stupid. Congratulations for coming through as expected.



"Many Americans still believe a report that began circulating on the
Internet three years ago, and was quoted in "Doonesbury," that Mr. Bush's
I.Q. was 91, the lowest of any modern American president. But that report
from the non-existent Lovenstein Institute turned out to be a hoax."





That's our Bassy. ;-)



basskisser October 28th 04 03:31 PM

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POLITICAL POINTS
Secret Weapon for Bush?
By JOHN TIERNEY

To Bush-bashers, it may be the most infuriating revelation yet from the
military records of the two presidential candidates: the young George W.
Bush probably had a higher I.Q. than did the young John Kerry.

That, at least, is the conclusion of Steve Sailer, a conservative
columnist
at the Web magazine Vdare.com and a veteran student of presidential
I.Q.'s.
During the last presidential campaign Mr. Sailer estimated from Mr.
Bush's
SAT score (1206) that his I.Q. was in the mid-120's, about 10 points
lower
than Al Gore's.

Mr. Kerry's SAT score is not known, but now Mr. Sailer has done a
comparison
of the intelligence tests in the candidates' military records. They are
not
formal I.Q. tests, but Mr. Sailer says they are similar enough to make
reasonable extrapolations.

Mr. Bush's score on the a
href="http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=1&k=air%20force"
onmouseover="window.status='a href="http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=1&k=air%20force" onmouseover="window.status='Air Force'; return true;" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;"Air Force/a'; return true;"
onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;"Air Force/a Officer
Qualifying Test at age 22 again
suggests that his I.Q was the mid-120's, putting Mr. Bush in about the
95th
percentile of the population, according to Mr. Sailer. Mr. Kerry's I.Q.
was
about 120, in the 91st percentile, according to Mr. Sailer's
extrapolation
of his score at age 22 on the Navy Officer Qualification Test.

Linda Gottfredson, an I.Q. expert at the University of Delaware, called
it a
creditable analysis said she was not surprised at the results or that so
many people had assumed that Mr. Kerry was smarter. "People will often
be
misled into thinking someone is brighter if he says something
complicated
they can't understand," Professor Gottfredson said.



http://www.nytimes.com/pages/politics/trail/

That's odd, the study below seems just as plausible, and puts Bush
quite a bit lower:
WASHINGTON --In a report published Monday, the Lovenstein Institute


I knew that you'd be stupid enough to post that, so I intentionally
snipped the following part of the NY Times article just to make you look
stupid. Congratulations for coming through as expected.



"Many Americans still believe a report that began circulating on the
Internet three years ago, and was quoted in "Doonesbury," that Mr. Bush's
I.Q. was 91, the lowest of any modern American president. But that report
from the non-existent Lovenstein Institute turned out to be a hoax."





That's our Bassy. ;-)


Uh, you can believe what you want, Jimmy, but it's a hoax only in the
minds of you right wing goose steppers. The folks in Germany during
Hitler's reign, for the most part, were the same, they'd never believe
their leader to be anything short of miraculous.

basskisser October 28th 04 03:37 PM

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POLITICAL POINTS
Secret Weapon for Bush?
By JOHN TIERNEY

To Bush-bashers, it may be the most infuriating revelation yet from the
military records of the two presidential candidates: the young George W.
Bush probably had a higher I.Q. than did the young John Kerry.

That, at least, is the conclusion of Steve Sailer, a conservative
columnist
at the Web magazine Vdare.com and a veteran student of presidential
I.Q.'s.
During the last presidential campaign Mr. Sailer estimated from Mr.
Bush's
SAT score (1206) that his I.Q. was in the mid-120's, about 10 points
lower
than Al Gore's.

Mr. Kerry's SAT score is not known, but now Mr. Sailer has done a
comparison
of the intelligence tests in the candidates' military records. They are
not
formal I.Q. tests, but Mr. Sailer says they are similar enough to make
reasonable extrapolations.

Mr. Bush's score on the a
href="http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=1&k=air%20force"
onmouseover="window.status='a href="http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=1&k=air%20force" onmouseover="window.status='Air Force'; return true;" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;"Air Force/a'; return true;"
onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;"Air Force/a Officer
Qualifying Test at age 22 again
suggests that his I.Q was the mid-120's, putting Mr. Bush in about the
95th
percentile of the population, according to Mr. Sailer. Mr. Kerry's I.Q.
was
about 120, in the 91st percentile, according to Mr. Sailer's
extrapolation
of his score at age 22 on the Navy Officer Qualification Test.

Linda Gottfredson, an I.Q. expert at the University of Delaware, called
it a
creditable analysis said she was not surprised at the results or that so
many people had assumed that Mr. Kerry was smarter. "People will often
be
misled into thinking someone is brighter if he says something
complicated
they can't understand," Professor Gottfredson said.



http://www.nytimes.com/pages/politics/trail/

That's odd, the study below seems just as plausible, and puts Bush
quite a bit lower:
WASHINGTON --In a report published Monday, the Lovenstein Institute


I knew that you'd be stupid enough to post that, so I intentionally
snipped the following part of the NY Times article just to make you look
stupid. Congratulations for coming through as expected.



"Many Americans still believe a report that began circulating on the
Internet three years ago, and was quoted in "Doonesbury," that Mr. Bush's
I.Q. was 91, the lowest of any modern American president. But that report
from the non-existent Lovenstein Institute turned out to be a hoax."


Once again asslicker proves why he is "King of the NG idiots"

LMAO


Once again, Fritz proves he is very bitter over his wife running off.
Apparently, the divorce support isn't working too well. To pump up his
very flat ego, he has to resort to a tactic that small children use,
that is, start name calling. He's very good at it in a newsgroup,
hiding behind anonymity, again, like a child.

Now, go he http://www.lovenstein.org

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POLITICAL POINTS
Secret Weapon for Bush?
By JOHN TIERNEY

To Bush-bashers, it may be the most infuriating revelation yet from the
military records of the two presidential candidates: the young George W.
Bush probably had a higher I.Q. than did the young John Kerry.

That, at least, is the conclusion of Steve Sailer, a conservative
columnist
at the Web magazine Vdare.com and a veteran student of presidential
I.Q.'s.
During the last presidential campaign Mr. Sailer estimated from Mr.
Bush's
SAT score (1206) that his I.Q. was in the mid-120's, about 10 points
lower
than Al Gore's.

Mr. Kerry's SAT score is not known, but now Mr. Sailer has done a
comparison
of the intelligence tests in the candidates' military records. They are
not
formal I.Q. tests, but Mr. Sailer says they are similar enough to make
reasonable extrapolations.

Mr. Bush's score on the a
href="http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=1&k=air%20force"
onmouseover="window.status='a href="http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=1&k=air%20force" onmouseover="window.status='Air Force'; return true;" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;"Air Force/a'; return true;"
onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;"Air Force/a Officer
Qualifying Test at age 22 again
suggests that his I.Q was the mid-120's, putting Mr. Bush in about the
95th
percentile of the population, according to Mr. Sailer. Mr. Kerry's I.Q.
was
about 120, in the 91st percentile, according to Mr. Sailer's
extrapolation
of his score at age 22 on the Navy Officer Qualification Test.

Linda Gottfredson, an I.Q. expert at the University of Delaware, called
it a
creditable analysis said she was not surprised at the results or that so
many people had assumed that Mr. Kerry was smarter. "People will often be
misled into thinking someone is brighter if he says something complicated
they can't understand," Professor Gottfredson said.



http://www.nytimes.com/pages/politics/trail/


That's odd, the study below seems just as plausible, and puts Bush
quite a bit lower:
WASHINGTON --In a report published Monday, the Lovenstein Institute


I knew that you'd be stupid enough to post that, so I intentionally snipped
the following part of the NY Times article just to make you look stupid.
Congratulations for coming through as expected.



"Many Americans still believe a report that began circulating on the
Internet three years ago, and was quoted in "Doonesbury," that Mr. Bush's
I.Q. was 91, the lowest of any modern American president. But that report
from the non-existent Lovenstein Institute turned out to be a hoax."


And I knew you'd be stupid enough, or at least goose-stepper to the
party enough, that you'd not understand what you've read. Go he

http://www.lovenstein.org

NOYB October 28th 04 04:39 PM


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POLITICAL POINTS
Secret Weapon for Bush?
By JOHN TIERNEY

To Bush-bashers, it may be the most infuriating revelation yet from
the
military records of the two presidential candidates: the young George
W.
Bush probably had a higher I.Q. than did the young John Kerry.

That, at least, is the conclusion of Steve Sailer, a conservative
columnist
at the Web magazine Vdare.com and a veteran student of presidential
I.Q.'s.
During the last presidential campaign Mr. Sailer estimated from Mr.
Bush's
SAT score (1206) that his I.Q. was in the mid-120's, about 10 points
lower
than Al Gore's.

Mr. Kerry's SAT score is not known, but now Mr. Sailer has done a
comparison
of the intelligence tests in the candidates' military records. They
are
not
formal I.Q. tests, but Mr. Sailer says they are similar enough to
make
reasonable extrapolations.

Mr. Bush's score on the a
href="http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=1&k=air%20force"
onmouseover="window.status='a
href="http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=1&k=air%20force"
onmouseover="window.status='Air Force'; return true;"
onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;"Air Force/a'; return
true;"
onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;"Air Force/a Officer
Qualifying Test at age 22 again
suggests that his I.Q was the mid-120's, putting Mr. Bush in about
the
95th
percentile of the population, according to Mr. Sailer. Mr. Kerry's
I.Q.
was
about 120, in the 91st percentile, according to Mr. Sailer's
extrapolation
of his score at age 22 on the Navy Officer Qualification Test.

Linda Gottfredson, an I.Q. expert at the University of Delaware,
called
it a
creditable analysis said she was not surprised at the results or that
so
many people had assumed that Mr. Kerry was smarter. "People will
often
be
misled into thinking someone is brighter if he says something
complicated
they can't understand," Professor Gottfredson said.



http://www.nytimes.com/pages/politics/trail/

That's odd, the study below seems just as plausible, and puts Bush
quite a bit lower:
WASHINGTON --In a report published Monday, the Lovenstein Institute

I knew that you'd be stupid enough to post that, so I intentionally
snipped the following part of the NY Times article just to make you
look
stupid. Congratulations for coming through as expected.



"Many Americans still believe a report that began circulating on the
Internet three years ago, and was quoted in "Doonesbury," that Mr.
Bush's
I.Q. was 91, the lowest of any modern American president. But that
report
from the non-existent Lovenstein Institute turned out to be a hoax."





That's our Bassy. ;-)


Uh, you can believe what you want, Jimmy, but it's a hoax only in the
minds of you right wing goose steppers. The folks in Germany during
Hitler's reign, for the most part, were the same, they'd never believe
their leader to be anything short of miraculous.


Did you miss this part: "...*non-existent* Lovenstein Institute "

Not a hoax? So then where's the Lovenstein Institute located?



NOYB October 28th 04 05:26 PM


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POLITICAL POINTS
Secret Weapon for Bush?
By JOHN TIERNEY

To Bush-bashers, it may be the most infuriating revelation yet from
the
military records of the two presidential candidates: the young George
W.
Bush probably had a higher I.Q. than did the young John Kerry.

That, at least, is the conclusion of Steve Sailer, a conservative
columnist
at the Web magazine Vdare.com and a veteran student of presidential
I.Q.'s.
During the last presidential campaign Mr. Sailer estimated from Mr.
Bush's
SAT score (1206) that his I.Q. was in the mid-120's, about 10 points
lower
than Al Gore's.

Mr. Kerry's SAT score is not known, but now Mr. Sailer has done a
comparison
of the intelligence tests in the candidates' military records. They
are
not
formal I.Q. tests, but Mr. Sailer says they are similar enough to
make
reasonable extrapolations.

Mr. Bush's score on the a
href="http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=1&k=air%20force"
onmouseover="window.status='a
href="http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=1&k=air%20force"
onmouseover="window.status='Air Force'; return true;"
onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;"Air Force/a'; return
true;"
onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;"Air Force/a Officer
Qualifying Test at age 22 again
suggests that his I.Q was the mid-120's, putting Mr. Bush in about
the
95th
percentile of the population, according to Mr. Sailer. Mr. Kerry's
I.Q.
was
about 120, in the 91st percentile, according to Mr. Sailer's
extrapolation
of his score at age 22 on the Navy Officer Qualification Test.

Linda Gottfredson, an I.Q. expert at the University of Delaware,
called
it a
creditable analysis said she was not surprised at the results or that
so
many people had assumed that Mr. Kerry was smarter. "People will
often
be
misled into thinking someone is brighter if he says something
complicated
they can't understand," Professor Gottfredson said.



http://www.nytimes.com/pages/politics/trail/

That's odd, the study below seems just as plausible, and puts Bush
quite a bit lower:
WASHINGTON --In a report published Monday, the Lovenstein Institute

I knew that you'd be stupid enough to post that, so I intentionally
snipped the following part of the NY Times article just to make you
look
stupid. Congratulations for coming through as expected.



"Many Americans still believe a report that began circulating on the
Internet three years ago, and was quoted in "Doonesbury," that Mr.
Bush's
I.Q. was 91, the lowest of any modern American president. But that
report
from the non-existent Lovenstein Institute turned out to be a hoax."


Once again asslicker proves why he is "King of the NG idiots"

LMAO


Once again, Fritz proves he is very bitter over his wife running off.
Apparently, the divorce support isn't working too well. To pump up his
very flat ego, he has to resort to a tactic that small children use,
that is, start name calling. He's very good at it in a newsgroup,
hiding behind anonymity, again, like a child.

Now, go he http://www.lovenstein.org


You really are making it too easy for me. I almost feel guilty preying on
the stupid. But here goes:

Urban Legends and Folklore
The Lovenstein Institute
Urban Legends and Folklore Blog
From David Emery,
Your Guide to Urban Legends and Folklore.


August 18, 2004
The Lovenstein Institute
Note from a reader regarding the "G.W. Bush Has a Low IQ" hoax:

"Hmm, you said you could find no trace of the Lovenstein Institute. That's
strange, because a Google search yielded http://lovenstein.org/. I wonder
how much you actually researched this? In light of Bush's foreign policy (or
lack thereof) and decision-making processes, I find it hard not to believe
he has the IQ of kitty litter. Used kitty litter, to be specific."

Allow me to direct your attention to the WHOIS registration for
lovenstein.org, which states that the Internet domain wasn't created until
August 7, 2001 - one month after the infamous Bush IQ hoax began circulating
via email. Note, too, that the listing is full of phony contact information.
Whoever really owns the unabashedly anti-Bush Website doesn't want their
identity known. As for the fabled Lovenstein Institute itself, I'm afraid it
still doesn't exist, nor can wishing make it so.



http://urbanlegends.about.com/b/a/106301.htm

-----------------------------------------------------------------

If the note from the reader had the words "wild allegations", I'd be sure
that basskisser wrote it. Instead, I can only guess that he did.







NOYB October 28th 04 05:27 PM


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POLITICAL POINTS
Secret Weapon for Bush?
By JOHN TIERNEY

To Bush-bashers, it may be the most infuriating revelation yet from
the
military records of the two presidential candidates: the young George
W.
Bush probably had a higher I.Q. than did the young John Kerry.

That, at least, is the conclusion of Steve Sailer, a conservative
columnist
at the Web magazine Vdare.com and a veteran student of presidential
I.Q.'s.
During the last presidential campaign Mr. Sailer estimated from Mr.
Bush's
SAT score (1206) that his I.Q. was in the mid-120's, about 10 points
lower
than Al Gore's.

Mr. Kerry's SAT score is not known, but now Mr. Sailer has done a
comparison
of the intelligence tests in the candidates' military records. They
are
not
formal I.Q. tests, but Mr. Sailer says they are similar enough to make
reasonable extrapolations.

Mr. Bush's score on the a
href="http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=1&k=air%20force"
onmouseover="window.status='a
href="http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=1&k=air%20force"
onmouseover="window.status='Air Force'; return true;"
onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;"Air Force/a'; return
true;"
onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;"Air Force/a Officer
Qualifying Test at age 22 again
suggests that his I.Q was the mid-120's, putting Mr. Bush in about the
95th
percentile of the population, according to Mr. Sailer. Mr. Kerry's
I.Q.
was
about 120, in the 91st percentile, according to Mr. Sailer's
extrapolation
of his score at age 22 on the Navy Officer Qualification Test.

Linda Gottfredson, an I.Q. expert at the University of Delaware,
called
it a
creditable analysis said she was not surprised at the results or that
so
many people had assumed that Mr. Kerry was smarter. "People will often
be
misled into thinking someone is brighter if he says something
complicated
they can't understand," Professor Gottfredson said.



http://www.nytimes.com/pages/politics/trail/

That's odd, the study below seems just as plausible, and puts Bush
quite a bit lower:
WASHINGTON --In a report published Monday, the Lovenstein Institute


I knew that you'd be stupid enough to post that, so I intentionally
snipped
the following part of the NY Times article just to make you look stupid.
Congratulations for coming through as expected.



"Many Americans still believe a report that began circulating on the
Internet three years ago, and was quoted in "Doonesbury," that Mr. Bush's
I.Q. was 91, the lowest of any modern American president. But that report
from the non-existent Lovenstein Institute turned out to be a hoax."


And I knew you'd be stupid enough, or at least goose-stepper to the
party enough, that you'd not understand what you've read. Go he

http://www.lovenstein.org


http://urbanlegends.about.com/b/a/106301.htm

You are officially "King of the Dip****s"



NOYB October 28th 04 05:27 PM


"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...
http://www.lovenstein.org


Great link.


http://urbanlegends.about.com/b/a/106301.htm



JimH October 28th 04 05:29 PM


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POLITICAL POINTS
Secret Weapon for Bush?
By JOHN TIERNEY

To Bush-bashers, it may be the most infuriating revelation yet from
the
military records of the two presidential candidates: the young
George W.
Bush probably had a higher I.Q. than did the young John Kerry.

That, at least, is the conclusion of Steve Sailer, a conservative
columnist
at the Web magazine Vdare.com and a veteran student of presidential
I.Q.'s.
During the last presidential campaign Mr. Sailer estimated from Mr.
Bush's
SAT score (1206) that his I.Q. was in the mid-120's, about 10 points
lower
than Al Gore's.

Mr. Kerry's SAT score is not known, but now Mr. Sailer has done a
comparison
of the intelligence tests in the candidates' military records. They
are
not
formal I.Q. tests, but Mr. Sailer says they are similar enough to
make
reasonable extrapolations.

Mr. Bush's score on the a
href="http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=1&k=air%20force"
onmouseover="window.status='a
href="http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=1&k=air%20force"
onmouseover="window.status='Air Force'; return true;"
onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;"Air Force/a'; return
true;"
onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;"Air Force/a Officer
Qualifying Test at age 22 again
suggests that his I.Q was the mid-120's, putting Mr. Bush in about
the
95th
percentile of the population, according to Mr. Sailer. Mr. Kerry's
I.Q.
was
about 120, in the 91st percentile, according to Mr. Sailer's
extrapolation
of his score at age 22 on the Navy Officer Qualification Test.

Linda Gottfredson, an I.Q. expert at the University of Delaware,
called
it a
creditable analysis said she was not surprised at the results or
that so
many people had assumed that Mr. Kerry was smarter. "People will
often
be
misled into thinking someone is brighter if he says something
complicated
they can't understand," Professor Gottfredson said.



http://www.nytimes.com/pages/politics/trail/

That's odd, the study below seems just as plausible, and puts Bush
quite a bit lower:
WASHINGTON --In a report published Monday, the Lovenstein Institute

I knew that you'd be stupid enough to post that, so I intentionally
snipped the following part of the NY Times article just to make you
look
stupid. Congratulations for coming through as expected.



"Many Americans still believe a report that began circulating on the
Internet three years ago, and was quoted in "Doonesbury," that Mr.
Bush's
I.Q. was 91, the lowest of any modern American president. But that
report
from the non-existent Lovenstein Institute turned out to be a hoax."

Once again asslicker proves why he is "King of the NG idiots"

LMAO


Once again, Fritz proves he is very bitter over his wife running off.
Apparently, the divorce support isn't working too well. To pump up his
very flat ego, he has to resort to a tactic that small children use,
that is, start name calling. He's very good at it in a newsgroup,
hiding behind anonymity, again, like a child.

Now, go he http://www.lovenstein.org


You really are making it too easy for me. I almost feel guilty preying on
the stupid. But here goes:

Urban Legends and Folklore
The Lovenstein Institute
Urban Legends and Folklore Blog
From David Emery,
Your Guide to Urban Legends and Folklore.


August 18, 2004
The Lovenstein Institute
Note from a reader regarding the "G.W. Bush Has a Low IQ" hoax:

"Hmm, you said you could find no trace of the Lovenstein Institute. That's
strange, because a Google search yielded http://lovenstein.org/. I wonder
how much you actually researched this? In light of Bush's foreign policy
(or lack thereof) and decision-making processes, I find it hard not to
believe he has the IQ of kitty litter. Used kitty litter, to be specific."

Allow me to direct your attention to the WHOIS registration for
lovenstein.org, which states that the Internet domain wasn't created until
August 7, 2001 - one month after the infamous Bush IQ hoax began
circulating via email. Note, too, that the listing is full of phony
contact information. Whoever really owns the unabashedly anti-Bush Website
doesn't want their identity known. As for the fabled Lovenstein Institute
itself, I'm afraid it still doesn't exist, nor can wishing make it so.



http://urbanlegends.about.com/b/a/106301.htm

-----------------------------------------------------------------

If the note from the reader had the words "wild allegations", I'd be sure
that basskisser wrote it. Instead, I can only guess that he did.







But Chuck thought that Bassy provided quite an interesting link. LOL!



JimH October 28th 04 05:30 PM


"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...
http://www.lovenstein.org


Great link.


LOL!



John Gaquin October 28th 04 05:41 PM


"basskisser" wrote in message

And I knew you'd be stupid enough, or at least goose-stepper to the
party enough, that you'd not understand what you've read. Go he

http://www.lovenstein.org


God, you must have grown up never having been trained in the use of vacuum
cleaners, you get sucked in so regularly. That is no legitimate site. They
claim to be a "...think tank employing high caliber historians,
psychiatrists, sociologists, scientists in human behavior, and
psychologists. Among their ranks are Dr. Werner R. Lovenstein,
world-renowned sociologist, and Professor Patricia F. Dilliams, a
world-respected psychiatrist."

And yet, their featured piece is written only to a ninth-grade level, and
rather poorly at that.

Note their disclaimers -- "... Copyrighted material used on Lovenstein.org
may not have been specifically authorized by the copyright owner.. "

In other words, they just steal stuff from other sites, or just make it up.

This is nothing more than yet another batch of anti-Bush brain vomit.

Now, you go check out urbanlegends.about.com/library/bliq-bush.htm

And please, ---- don't come back with the old "... I knew it was phony all
along..." line.





NOYB October 28th 04 05:42 PM


"JimH" wrote in message
...

"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...
http://www.lovenstein.org


Great link.


LOL!


At least guys like Chuck and basskisser are good for entertainment purposes,
if nothing else.





P.Fritz October 28th 04 05:59 PM


"NOYB" wrote in message
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POLITICAL POINTS
Secret Weapon for Bush?
By JOHN TIERNEY

To Bush-bashers, it may be the most infuriating revelation yet from
the
military records of the two presidential candidates: the young
George W.
Bush probably had a higher I.Q. than did the young John Kerry.

That, at least, is the conclusion of Steve Sailer, a conservative
columnist
at the Web magazine Vdare.com and a veteran student of presidential
I.Q.'s.
During the last presidential campaign Mr. Sailer estimated from Mr.
Bush's
SAT score (1206) that his I.Q. was in the mid-120's, about 10 points
lower
than Al Gore's.

Mr. Kerry's SAT score is not known, but now Mr. Sailer has done a
comparison
of the intelligence tests in the candidates' military records. They
are
not
formal I.Q. tests, but Mr. Sailer says they are similar enough to
make
reasonable extrapolations.

Mr. Bush's score on the a
href="http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=1&k=air%20force"
onmouseover="window.status='a
href="http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=1&k=air%20force"
onmouseover="window.status='Air Force'; return true;"
onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;"Air Force/a'; return
true;"
onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;"Air Force/a Officer
Qualifying Test at age 22 again
suggests that his I.Q was the mid-120's, putting Mr. Bush in about
the
95th
percentile of the population, according to Mr. Sailer. Mr. Kerry's
I.Q.
was
about 120, in the 91st percentile, according to Mr. Sailer's
extrapolation
of his score at age 22 on the Navy Officer Qualification Test.

Linda Gottfredson, an I.Q. expert at the University of Delaware,
called
it a
creditable analysis said she was not surprised at the results or
that so
many people had assumed that Mr. Kerry was smarter. "People will
often
be
misled into thinking someone is brighter if he says something
complicated
they can't understand," Professor Gottfredson said.



http://www.nytimes.com/pages/politics/trail/

That's odd, the study below seems just as plausible, and puts Bush
quite a bit lower:
WASHINGTON --In a report published Monday, the Lovenstein Institute

I knew that you'd be stupid enough to post that, so I intentionally
snipped the following part of the NY Times article just to make you
look
stupid. Congratulations for coming through as expected.



"Many Americans still believe a report that began circulating on the
Internet three years ago, and was quoted in "Doonesbury," that Mr.
Bush's
I.Q. was 91, the lowest of any modern American president. But that
report
from the non-existent Lovenstein Institute turned out to be a hoax."

Once again asslicker proves why he is "King of the NG idiots"

LMAO


Once again, Fritz proves he is very bitter over his wife running off.
Apparently, the divorce support isn't working too well. To pump up his
very flat ego, he has to resort to a tactic that small children use,
that is, start name calling. He's very good at it in a newsgroup,
hiding behind anonymity, again, like a child.

Now, go he http://www.lovenstein.org


You really are making it too easy for me. I almost feel guilty preying on
the stupid. But here goes:

Urban Legends and Folklore
The Lovenstein Institute
Urban Legends and Folklore Blog
From David Emery,
Your Guide to Urban Legends and Folklore.


August 18, 2004
The Lovenstein Institute
Note from a reader regarding the "G.W. Bush Has a Low IQ" hoax:

"Hmm, you said you could find no trace of the Lovenstein Institute. That's
strange, because a Google search yielded http://lovenstein.org/. I wonder
how much you actually researched this? In light of Bush's foreign policy
(or lack thereof) and decision-making processes, I find it hard not to
believe he has the IQ of kitty litter. Used kitty litter, to be specific."

Allow me to direct your attention to the WHOIS registration for
lovenstein.org, which states that the Internet domain wasn't created until
August 7, 2001 - one month after the infamous Bush IQ hoax began
circulating via email. Note, too, that the listing is full of phony
contact information. Whoever really owns the unabashedly anti-Bush Website
doesn't want their identity known. As for the fabled Lovenstein Institute
itself, I'm afraid it still doesn't exist, nor can wishing make it so.



Poor asslicker...... he's too stupid to realize how stupid he is.

He truely is the King of the NG idiots.




http://urbanlegends.about.com/b/a/106301.htm

-----------------------------------------------------------------

If the note from the reader had the words "wild allegations", I'd be sure
that basskisser wrote it. Instead, I can only guess that he did.









P.Fritz October 28th 04 06:04 PM


"NOYB" wrote in message
link.net...

"JimH" wrote in message
...

"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...
http://www.lovenstein.org

Great link.


LOL!


At least guys like Chuck and basskisser are good for entertainment
purposes, if nothing else.


It is quite comical to see asslicker flounce around.......did you notice his
whine about me hiding behind 'anonymity' What a mar00n







P.Fritz October 28th 04 06:06 PM


"John Gaquin" wrote in message
...

"basskisser" wrote in message

And I knew you'd be stupid enough, or at least goose-stepper to the
party enough, that you'd not understand what you've read. Go he

http://www.lovenstein.org


God, you must have grown up never having been trained in the use of vacuum
cleaners, you get sucked in so regularly.


He just can't see throught the 'brown fog' where his head is at.


That is no legitimate site. They
claim to be a "...think tank employing high caliber historians,
psychiatrists, sociologists, scientists in human behavior, and
psychologists. Among their ranks are Dr. Werner R. Lovenstein,
world-renowned sociologist, and Professor Patricia F. Dilliams, a
world-respected psychiatrist."

And yet, their featured piece is written only to a ninth-grade level, and
rather poorly at that.

Note their disclaimers -- "... Copyrighted material used on Lovenstein.org
may not have been specifically authorized by the copyright owner.. "

In other words, they just steal stuff from other sites, or just make it
up.

This is nothing more than yet another batch of anti-Bush brain vomit.

Now, you go check out urbanlegends.about.com/library/bliq-bush.htm

And please, ---- don't come back with the old "... I knew it was phony all
along..." line.







Gould 0738 October 28th 04 07:11 PM

But Chuck thought that Bassy provided quite an interesting link. LOL!


I thought the essay that appeared when I followed the link was well written.

Observed trend:

With the major exception of Harry Krause,
it seems like very few of the moderates and liberals in this group tend to post
messages to one another criticizing and belittling people with contrasting
perspectives.

Can the same be said about the right wingers?



Jon Smithe October 28th 04 07:18 PM

NOYB,
The Lovenstein Institute is located in the mind of those who suffer from
FAS.


"NOYB" wrote in message
link.net...

"basskisser" wrote in message
om...
"JimH" wrote in message
...
"NOYB" wrote in message
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"basskisser" atl_man2@a
href="http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=1&k=yahoo%20com"
onmouseover="window.status='yahoo.com'; return true;"
onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;"yahoo.com/a wrote in
message
om...
"NOYB" wrote in message
...
POLITICAL POINTS
Secret Weapon for Bush?
By JOHN TIERNEY

To Bush-bashers, it may be the most infuriating revelation yet from
the
military records of the two presidential candidates: the young
George W.
Bush probably had a higher I.Q. than did the young John Kerry.

That, at least, is the conclusion of Steve Sailer, a conservative
columnist
at the Web magazine Vdare.com and a veteran student of presidential
I.Q.'s.
During the last presidential campaign Mr. Sailer estimated from Mr.
Bush's
SAT score (1206) that his I.Q. was in the mid-120's, about 10 points
lower
than Al Gore's.

Mr. Kerry's SAT score is not known, but now Mr. Sailer has done a
comparison
of the intelligence tests in the candidates' military records. They
are
not
formal I.Q. tests, but Mr. Sailer says they are similar enough to
make
reasonable extrapolations.

Mr. Bush's score on the a
href="http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=1&k=air%20force"
onmouseover="window.status='a
href="http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=1&k=air%20force"
onmouseover="window.status='Air Force'; return true;"
onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;"Air Force/a'; return
true;"
onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;"Air Force/a Officer
Qualifying Test at age 22 again
suggests that his I.Q was the mid-120's, putting Mr. Bush in about
the
95th
percentile of the population, according to Mr. Sailer. Mr. Kerry's
I.Q.
was
about 120, in the 91st percentile, according to Mr. Sailer's
extrapolation
of his score at age 22 on the Navy Officer Qualification Test.

Linda Gottfredson, an I.Q. expert at the University of Delaware,
called
it a
creditable analysis said she was not surprised at the results or
that so
many people had assumed that Mr. Kerry was smarter. "People will
often
be
misled into thinking someone is brighter if he says something
complicated
they can't understand," Professor Gottfredson said.



http://www.nytimes.com/pages/politics/trail/

That's odd, the study below seems just as plausible, and puts Bush
quite a bit lower:
WASHINGTON --In a report published Monday, the Lovenstein Institute

I knew that you'd be stupid enough to post that, so I intentionally
snipped the following part of the NY Times article just to make you
look
stupid. Congratulations for coming through as expected.



"Many Americans still believe a report that began circulating on the
Internet three years ago, and was quoted in "Doonesbury," that Mr.
Bush's
I.Q. was 91, the lowest of any modern American president. But that
report
from the non-existent Lovenstein Institute turned out to be a hoax."





That's our Bassy. ;-)


Uh, you can believe what you want, Jimmy, but it's a hoax only in the
minds of you right wing goose steppers. The folks in Germany during
Hitler's reign, for the most part, were the same, they'd never believe
their leader to be anything short of miraculous.


Did you miss this part: "...*non-existent* Lovenstein Institute "

Not a hoax? So then where's the Lovenstein Institute located?




Jon Smithe October 28th 04 07:20 PM

Gould,
Have you sunk to the intellectual level of Bass? Please tell me you were
joking.



"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...
http://www.lovenstein.org


Great link.




JimH October 28th 04 07:23 PM


"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...
But Chuck thought that Bassy provided quite an interesting link. LOL!


I thought the essay that appeared when I followed the link was well
written.

Observed trend:

With the major exception of Harry Krause,
it seems like very few of the moderates and liberals in this group tend to
post
messages to one another criticizing and belittling people with contrasting
perspectives.

Can the same be said about the right wingers?


Give me a friggin break.

You do it quite often Chuck so don't start crying when it happens to you.
You stepped in it big time and I made light of it. Big deal. Move on
already and stop whining as you seem to be doing quite often lately.



JimH October 28th 04 07:34 PM


"Jon Smithe" wrote in message
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Gould,
Have you sunk to the intellectual level of Bass? Please tell me you were
joking.



"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...
http://www.lovenstein.org


Great link.




Better watch out Jon or Chuck will take his bat and ball and run home crying
because you are picking on him.



Jon Smithe October 28th 04 07:45 PM

Gould,
When I was having discussions with you, you suddenly started posting
messages criticizing and belittling me, just because I had a contrasting
perspective.


"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...
With the major exception of Harry Krause,
it seems like very few of the moderates and liberals in this group tend to
post
messages to one another criticizing and belittling people with contrasting
perspectives.

Can the same be said about the right wingers?





Jon Smithe October 28th 04 07:48 PM

PS - Have you ever looked at any of Basskisser's messages? Besides telling
everyone they are stupid what has he ever said of any value?


"Jon Smithe" wrote in message
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Gould,
When I was having discussions with you, you suddenly started posting
messages criticizing and belittling me, just because I had a contrasting
perspective.


"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...
With the major exception of Harry Krause,
it seems like very few of the moderates and liberals in this group tend
to post
messages to one another criticizing and belittling people with
contrasting
perspectives.

Can the same be said about the right wingers?







Gould 0738 October 28th 04 07:56 PM

Gould,
Have you sunk to the intellectual level of Bass? Please tell me you were
joking.


What? Not posting as Harry Krause today? I enjoyed the essay that appeared
when I followed bass's link.

Good to see you back, I was sure you had committed Harry Kerry. :-)

Gould 0738 October 28th 04 07:57 PM

Better watch out Jon or Chuck will take his bat and ball and run home crying
because you are picking on him.


Some folks have no bat, nor balls.

Gould 0738 October 28th 04 08:00 PM

Gosh...I've been promoted to Major Exception!
Do I get a chevron or something?



With a little luck and hard work, I believe a Major Exception can be promoted
to a General Exception. :-)

Gould 0738 October 28th 04 08:03 PM

Gould,
When I was having discussions with you, you suddenly started posting
messages criticizing and belittling me, just because I had a contrasting


right wingers apparently don't do nuance.

You and I have a discussion. I think you're full of crap and I tell you so. "to
your face" if you will.

You and I have a discussion. You think I'm full of crap so you start a side
conversation with LOL JimH or somebody else to kick that fact back and forth
between you.

You see no difference?

That's the trend I was observing.

JimH October 28th 04 08:04 PM


"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...
Better watch out Jon or Chuck will take his bat and ball and run home
crying
because you are picking on him.


Some folks have no bat, nor balls.


Maybe some day you will get a bat....and balls. ;-)



Jon Smithe October 28th 04 08:05 PM

Gould,
The OT posts in rec.boats are nothing more than mental floss, it is a way to
pass the time and have fun. I was poking a little fun at Harry and is
obsession with cut and pasting articles.
I would hope that no one would think Harry was posting the most ridiculous
articles under the sun, using the email address of , but I
guess I was wrong. Still it was fun for a few days.

It would have sucked if I really had committed Harry Kerry. ; )

I am glad that you were not sucked into believing it was a real institute.
; )



"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...
Gould,
Have you sunk to the intellectual level of Bass? Please tell me you were
joking.


What? Not posting as Harry Krause today? I enjoyed the essay that
appeared
when I followed bass's link.

Good to see you back, I was sure you had committed Harry Kerry. :-)




JimH October 28th 04 08:06 PM




"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...
Gould,
When I was having discussions with you, you suddenly started posting
messages criticizing and belittling me, just because I had a contrasting


right wingers apparently don't do nuance.

You and I have a discussion. I think you're full of crap and I tell you
so. "to
your face" if you will.

You and I have a discussion. You think I'm full of crap so you start a
side
conversation with LOL JimH or somebody else to kick that fact back and
forth
between you.

You see no difference?

That's the trend I was observing.


Gee Chuck, you can tell someone something to their face on the internet?
Interesting spin.

You stepped in it big time and were not man enough to laugh it off. This
whining of yours is getting old.



john October 28th 04 08:09 PM

(Gould 0738) wrote in message ...
http://www.lovenstein.org

Great link.


Better link:

http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/hoaxes/presiq.htm

Claim: According to a study by the Lovenstein Institute, President
Bush has the lowest IQ of all presidents of past 50 years.
Status: False.


Origins: No,
this isn't a real news report, nor does it describe a real study.
There isn't a "Lovenstein Institute" in Scranton, Pennsylvania (or
anywhere else in the USA), nor do any of the people quoted in the
story exist, because this is just another spoof that was taken too
seriously.

The article quoted above began circulating on the Internet during the
summer of 2001. In furtherance of the hoax, later that year pranksters
thought to register www.lovenstein.org and erecting a web site around
it in an attempt to fool people into thinking there really was such an
institute.

john October 28th 04 08:10 PM

(basskisser) wrote in message . com...
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POLITICAL POINTS
Secret Weapon for Bush?
By JOHN TIERNEY

To Bush-bashers, it may be the most infuriating revelation yet from the
military records of the two presidential candidates: the young George W.
Bush probably had a higher I.Q. than did the young John Kerry.

That, at least, is the conclusion of Steve Sailer, a conservative
columnist
at the Web magazine Vdare.com and a veteran student of presidential
I.Q.'s.
During the last presidential campaign Mr. Sailer estimated from Mr.
Bush's
SAT score (1206) that his I.Q. was in the mid-120's, about 10 points
lower
than Al Gore's.

Mr. Kerry's SAT score is not known, but now Mr. Sailer has done a
comparison
of the intelligence tests in the candidates' military records. They are
not
formal I.Q. tests, but Mr. Sailer says they are similar enough to make
reasonable extrapolations.

Mr. Bush's score on the a
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Qualifying Test at age 22 again
suggests that his I.Q was the mid-120's, putting Mr. Bush in about the
95th
percentile of the population, according to Mr. Sailer. Mr. Kerry's I.Q.
was
about 120, in the 91st percentile, according to Mr. Sailer's
extrapolation
of his score at age 22 on the Navy Officer Qualification Test.

Linda Gottfredson, an I.Q. expert at the University of Delaware, called
it a
creditable analysis said she was not surprised at the results or that so
many people had assumed that Mr. Kerry was smarter. "People will often be
misled into thinking someone is brighter if he says something complicated
they can't understand," Professor Gottfredson said.



http://www.nytimes.com/pages/politics/trail/

That's odd, the study below seems just as plausible, and puts Bush
quite a bit lower:
WASHINGTON --In a report published Monday, the Lovenstein Institute


I knew that you'd be stupid enough to post that, so I intentionally snipped
the following part of the NY Times article just to make you look stupid.
Congratulations for coming through as expected.



"Many Americans still believe a report that began circulating on the
Internet three years ago, and was quoted in "Doonesbury," that Mr. Bush's
I.Q. was 91, the lowest of any modern American president. But that report
from the non-existent Lovenstein Institute turned out to be a hoax."


And I knew you'd be stupid enough, or at least goose-stepper to the
party enough, that you'd not understand what you've read. Go he

http://www.lovenstein.org


http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/hoaxes/presiq.htm

Claim: According to a study by the Lovenstein Institute, President
Bush has the lowest IQ of all presidents of past 50 years.
Status: False.


Origins: No,
this isn't a real news report, nor does it describe a real study.
There isn't a "Lovenstein Institute" in Scranton, Pennsylvania (or
anywhere else in the USA), nor do any of the people quoted in the
story exist, because this is just another spoof that was taken too
seriously.

The article quoted above began circulating on the Internet during the
summer of 2001. In furtherance of the hoax, later that year pranksters
thought to register www.lovenstein.org and erecting a web site around
it in an attempt to fool people into thinking there really was such an
institute.

Gould 0738 October 28th 04 08:26 PM

You stepped in it big time and were not man enough to laugh it off. This
whining of yours is getting old.


I hope it annoys the hell out of you.

P.Fritz October 28th 04 08:35 PM


"Jon Smithe" wrote in message
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PS - Have you ever looked at any of Basskisser's messages? Besides
telling everyone they are stupid what has he ever said of any value?


Don't you remember his 'cow downing' post? LMAO




"Jon Smithe" wrote in message
news:_6bgd.326661$3l3.251921@attbi_s03...
Gould,
When I was having discussions with you, you suddenly started posting
messages criticizing and belittling me, just because I had a contrasting
perspective.


"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...
With the major exception of Harry Krause,
it seems like very few of the moderates and liberals in this group tend
to post
messages to one another criticizing and belittling people with
contrasting
perspectives.

Can the same be said about the right wingers?









Jon Smithe October 28th 04 08:35 PM

Sort of like the side conversation you and Harry are always doing.



"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...
Gould,
When I was having discussions with you, you suddenly started posting
messages criticizing and belittling me, just because I had a contrasting


right wingers apparently don't do nuance.

You and I have a discussion. I think you're full of crap and I tell you
so. "to
your face" if you will.

You and I have a discussion. You think I'm full of crap so you start a
side
conversation with LOL JimH or somebody else to kick that fact back and
forth
between you.

You see no difference?

That's the trend I was observing.





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