On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 20:04:59 GMT, "Mr Wizzard"
wrote:

~~ snippage ~~

makes perfect sense now. Dam, so got decisions to make.
Eat the $100, or bust out the cutting torch and get in heavy
iron worker mode.

mmmmmmmmmmheavyironworkermodemmmmmmmmmmm :)

Later,

Tom

"Beware the one legged man in a butt
kicking contest - he is there for a
reason."

Wun Hung Lo - date unknown

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 20:04:59 GMT, "Mr Wizzard"
wrote:

~~ snippage ~~

makes perfect sense now. Dam, so got decisions to make.
Eat the $100, or bust out the cutting torch and get in heavy
iron worker mode.

mmmmmmmmmmheavyironworkermodemmmmmmmmmmm :)

Do you, ahhh "Tig Weld" ? (in that: Do you, ah Yahoo voice)
I recently parted with my Miller Thunderbolt for one of these
new solid-state Thermal Arc STW-185, and I love it. (for TIG)
Regular DC arc mode takes some getting used to, and of course,
gone are the days of straight A/C sine wave welding with 7014,
or 6013, but its Ok. And only 40 Lbs, and small as a cracker
box. Neighbot has my Miller Thunderbold 300A A/C welder,
so its not too far away when I want to relieve a little stress and
but up 5 Lbs of rod in them late evening "who can run the nicer
bead" contest(s). hehe

So final update! Decided to see if I could the powerhead
seperated., and sure enough, came apart pretty easily.
Sure 'nuff, crankshaft seal toast. All "oozing" muck and such.
There is an intermeadiate seal that kinda protects the lower
seal, and that looked like it failed too, and there is a watery
grey ooze all up around the crankshaft seal, and the part of the
lip of the crankshaft seal itself is oozing some bubbly **** out
of the crankcase (which I have to assume is trapped something).
close up pics to follow, but there you have it folks, mystery solved!







Later,

Tom

"Beware the one legged man in a butt
kicking contest - he is there for a
reason."

Wun Hung Lo - date unknown

On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 20:52:11 GMT, "Mr Wizzard"
wrote:


"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 20:04:59 GMT, "Mr Wizzard"
wrote:

~~ snippage ~~

makes perfect sense now. Dam, so got decisions to make.
Eat the $100, or bust out the cutting torch and get in heavy
iron worker mode.

mmmmmmmmmmheavyironworkermodemmmmmmmmmmm :)

Do you, ahhh "Tig Weld" ? (in that: Do you, ah Yahoo voice)
I recently parted with my Miller Thunderbolt for one of these
new solid-state Thermal Arc STW-185, and I love it. (for TIG)

Actually, I don't - I don't have the patience for it. I have an Esab
453CV which I could build a freakin' ship with if I wanted to. I
picked it up at an auction for cheap money - it was the last item
auctioned and nobody had any money left. :)

I had the Miller Dialarc 250 which I sold to one of the local farmers.
I actually perfer the Esab, but man, I could build aircraft carriers
with the damn thing.


Regular DC arc mode takes some getting used to, and of course,
gone are the days of straight A/C sine wave welding with 7014,
or 6013, but its Ok. And only 40 Lbs, and small as a cracker
box. Neighbot has my Miller Thunderbold 300A A/C welder,
so its not too far away when I want to relieve a little stress and
but up 5 Lbs of rod in them late evening "who can run the nicer
bead" contest(s). hehe

So final update! Decided to see if I could the powerhead
seperated., and sure enough, came apart pretty easily.
Sure 'nuff, crankshaft seal toast. All "oozing" muck and such.
There is an intermeadiate seal that kinda protects the lower
seal, and that looked like it failed too, and there is a watery
grey ooze all up around the crankshaft seal, and the part of the
lip of the crankshaft seal itself is oozing some bubbly **** out
of the crankcase (which I have to assume is trapped something).
close up pics to follow, but there you have it folks, mystery solved!

YAY!!

Good luck with it.

All the best,

Tom
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"What the hell's the deal with this newsgroup...
is there a computer terminal in the day room of
some looney bin somewhere?"

Bilgeman - circa 2004

On Sunday 24 October 2004 9:52 pm in rec.boats Mr Wizzard wrote:

So final update! Decided to see if I could the powerhead
seperated., and sure enough, came apart pretty easily.
Sure 'nuff, crankshaft seal toast. All "oozing" muck and such.
There is an intermeadiate seal that kinda protects the lower
seal, and that looked like it failed too, and there is a watery
grey ooze all up around the crankshaft seal, and the part of the
lip of the crankshaft seal itself is oozing some bubbly **** out
of the crankcase (which I have to assume is trapped something).
close up pics to follow, but there you have it folks, mystery solved!

Why did that seal fail ?
Check for side play in the bearings allowing the shaft to
rattle around in the seals.
Probably a good idea to change the bearings while you have
it apart anyway.


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"Chris Newport" wrote in message
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On Sunday 24 October 2004 9:52 pm in rec.boats Mr Wizzard wrote:

So final update! Decided to see if I could the powerhead
seperated., and sure enough, came apart pretty easily.
Sure 'nuff, crankshaft seal toast. All "oozing" muck and such.
There is an intermeadiate seal that kinda protects the lower
seal, and that looked like it failed too, and there is a watery
grey ooze all up around the crankshaft seal, and the part of the
lip of the crankshaft seal itself is oozing some bubbly **** out
of the crankcase (which I have to assume is trapped something).
close up pics to follow, but there you have it folks, mystery solved!

Why did that seal fail ?

Dunno, looks like it got gooey, and mushy. Easters in the
oil maybe? ethenol in the gas ? salt? (although I'da figured
that salt would make rubber hard). But who knows. The
thing is 25 years old or so.



Check for side play in the bearings allowing the shaft to
rattle around in the seals.

I did, seems fine.


Probably a good idea to change the bearings while you have
it apart anyway.

Well, it all gets down to if I can get bearings/seals from Force.
Anyone have a good source for old Force parts, or a favorite
Force dealer ? I have this one guy I been working with in
Boston or someplace, but wondering if there are aothers.

Thanks!





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"Chris Newport" wrote in message
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On Sunday 24 October 2004 9:52 pm in rec.boats Mr Wizzard wrote:

So final update! Decided to see if I could the powerhead
seperated., and sure enough, came apart pretty easily.
Sure 'nuff, crankshaft seal toast. All "oozing" muck and such.
There is an intermeadiate seal that kinda protects the lower
seal, and that looked like it failed too, and there is a watery
grey ooze all up around the crankshaft seal, and the part of the
lip of the crankshaft seal itself is oozing some bubbly **** out
of the crankcase (which I have to assume is trapped something).
close up pics to follow, but there you have it folks, mystery solved!

Why did that seal fail ?

Actually, I take back what I just said in an adjacent post.
There is at least 10 thousands play in the crankshaft. Further,
it looks like (from waht I can see), the crankshaft is turning
inside what appears to be the innter bearing race. Haven't
splt the case yet, but if this is a true ball bearing, this is bad news,
means that hte ball bearing may be frozen. However, it might
be a just a bronze sleeve, I'll know more when I split the case.
(can't inagine a bronze sleeve bearing instead of a ball bearing).
Anyone know ?