Ladies and gentlemen: welcome to another ound of 'good arguments'.

DSK wrote:

JohnH wrote:
I was accused of 'excusing', not 'not criticizing'.

Can't you keep one simple subject straight? You attacked Jelle for
having "bad manners." I then pointed out that your concept of "bad
manners" depends on political affiliation. Now you're blabbering about
excuses.

And DSK opens the fight with a right opunch on the chin. Can JohnH recover?

... If you check,
you'll find that I have criticized behavior on both sides.

Uh huh. When have you criticised any of the Bush-Cheney cheerleading
squad?

And another one! This will take some soulsearching for JohnnieH to counter.
He hurries over to Google Groups...


... You happen
to have two on your 'side' who are extreme in their name calling.

Really? I'm not aware that anybody is on my 'side.'

I suppose you think that everybody who thinks you're a moron is somehow
all on the same 'side.' Maybe it's a coalition of those who can see the
obvious.

And DSK nails him in the back. Will the jury allow this?

DSK

Ding!
Oh there is the bell. Well so far folks. please stay with us while JohnH
recovers and comes back in the next round, but so far the advantage in
points is for DSK. Now to some messages on the shortwave radio.

*crackle*pop*howl* (damn thing is detuned again, one moment please)
(one moment later, Tom sings on the shortwave)
Troll trol trol rec.boats,
trol rec.boats once more.
Merrily merrily merrily,
kicking bush' out the door.

(Nah that won't work. Nobody has ever convinced anybody on usenet)

--
vriendelijke groeten/kind regards,

Jelle

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Harry Krause wrote:

Are you still working as a substitute teacher for Fairfax County,
Virginia?

What, is Johnnieboy a teacher? I would not be proud of that if i lived in
his illiterate country too (even the unelected president admids he does not
read any books). Lately I have been reading a boot by John taylor Gatto
(here is it: http://www.johntaylorgatto.com/). If only half of that book is
true (some of it is a bit hysterical an paranoid if you ask me btw), then
It should not suprise me at all to find a person like JohnH working as a
teacher. Gatto describes the educational system as an instrument to perform
class separation and create a apathic & uneducated lowerclass. Basic
qualifications for the teachers would be: servile, strictly folowing the
rules laid out from above, and purposefully incompetent. Any good teacher
would be forced to teach in getto school where they would break or give up
teaching.
But that is all beside the point. What i find amazing is that he thinks that
those people that were not able to learn reading in that deliberately
flawed system, should be stripped of their democratic rights, because they
don't share his political views (which he calls voter fraud).
He should know better, he has seen the system from very close up. But then
again, considering what kind of people they need as teachers, not suprising
at all.

If so, someone ought to let the administrators there know
about your racist attitudes. It's hard to imagine a decent school system
with a high percentage of minority students would want a racist like you
in close contact with school kids.

He certainly show some sings of it, but we could be mistaken simple
stupidity here.

--
vriendelijke groeten/kind regards,

Jelle

NYOB,
It would be nice if Kerry discussed the specifics of his health plan,
without the details people will either assume it is a "free health plan" for
all or a plan that will bankrupt businesses.

http://webcenter.health.webmd.netsca.../95/103273.htm

Jelle wrote:
(Nah that won't work. Nobody has ever convinced anybody on usenet)

No, but I have to thank you for at least one good laugh this morning!

Regards
Doug King

"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...
NYOB,
It would be nice if Kerry discussed the specifics of his health plan,
without the details people will either assume it is a "free health plan"
for
all or a plan that will bankrupt businesses.

http://webcenter.health.webmd.netsca.../95/103273.htm

Chuck,
That wasn't me who posted that.

Nevertheless, Kerry's plan has one major flaw. He says that he's going to
allow small businesses to buy for their employees the same plan that's
available to members of Congress. He intends to help pay for this by
raising the taxes on those earning over $200k (which I suspect will be
closer to 1/3 of that when the plan is put into effect). *BUT*, he's going
to raise the personal income tax on tens of thousands of small business
owners who are S-Corps...which is tantamount to increasing the tax directly
on the small business. If you cut the health insurance premiums paid out by
small business, yet raise the taxes the businesses pay, then what net
benefit have you provided? None. Most businesses will do like I plan to
do...which is, drop the group plan so that I can use the money saved to pay
for my higher taxes.



He also talks about a tax credit of up to 50% for businesses which buy
insurance for their employees. Well isn't that grand of him, since we
already write off our employees health insurance premiums!

These are some of the reasons why pro-business groups like the NFIB give
Senator Kerry one of the lowest pro-business grades given to any elected
official. And Edwards is rated worse than Kerry!

http://www.nfib.com/object/presidentialpartner.html

Harry Krause wrote:
[...]
Just FYI, Jelle, John Herring (JohnH) is a retired old military fart
who, though he works as a substitute teacher, has stated several times
his disdain for folks who do not have white skin. He's a great admirer
of the pseudo-conservatism of the current Republican Party in the USA,
which can be summed up as follows: "I've got mine, so screw you."

I already got a similar impression about his attitudes, but thank you for
confirming. I suppose the US school system seeks the same qualities in its
personel as the military: Subservient, follow your orders, don't ask
questions. Never in any circumstance think about more the purpose of it
all.


Btw: why did you get a gmail account? like the 1 gig storage or wanted to
participate in the google social experiment?

--
vriendelijke groeten/kind regards,

Jelle

He also talks about a tax credit of up to 50% for businesses which buy
insurance for their employees. Well isn't that grand of him, since we
already write off our employees health insurance premiums!

Ask your accountant about the difference between a tax deductible expense and
an actual tax credit. Big difference.

"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...
He also talks about a tax credit of up to 50% for businesses which buy
insurance for their employees. Well isn't that grand of him, since we
already write off our employees health insurance premiums!

Ask your accountant about the difference between a tax deductible expense
and
an actual tax credit. Big difference.

I know the difference. But when you're an S-Corp, your business is taxed at
the personal income tax rate. At a high enough income, you're paying nearly
30% in taxes. If you deduct 100% of your employee's premiums, then your tax
deduction equates to a 30% tax credit. I pay $16,800 in health insurance
premiums for my employees, which gives me a tax deduction of approximately
$5040. Under Kerry's plan, I'd get a tax credit of *UP TO* 50% (what does
"up to" mean?). That means I'll get a credit of *up to* $8400. So Kerry's
plan could effectively save me $3400/yr. But the big questions a a) what
does "up to 50%" mean, and b) how much will my personal income tax increase
to pay for his new government-managed health plan?

I prefer Bush's plan: get AHP's passed so that I can let the ADA negotiate
lower rates for dentists regardless of which state they live in.

DSK wrote:

JohnH wrote:
Where have I excused oafish behavior?

Where have you criticised oafish behavior, except by those who disagree
with your political opinions?

DSK


He's criticized mine, you racist dolt.

-- Charlie

"thunder" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 20:38:17 -0400, NOYB wrote:


In 1992, Clinton garnered only 43% of the vote. It's pathetic that a
President can be elected with such a low percentage of the population
supporting him. There was plenty of anti-Bush sentiment that year, but I
doubt many of the Perot supporters would have cast their votes for
Clinton
if Perot wasn't in the race. Most would have either stayed home, or
voted
for Bush as the lesser of two evils (at least in their minds). This
year,
there is no viable alternative to the incumbent...and Kerry hasn't done
anything to help his own chances. I still predict a Bush win by 4 to 6
percentage points.

Well, I see even you think the race is getting closer. Your prediction is
down from a 5-7% landslide. ;-)


Looks like Cheney is reading from my playbook:

" SOURCES: VP Cheney Predicts on NBCNEWS TODAY SHOW Monday: Election Results
Will 52% Bush, 47% Kerry... "