On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 00:47:02 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 00:24:00 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
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On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 01:37:50 -0400, thunder
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On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 04:10:58 +0000, WaIIy wrote:


This is perfect...

http://www.nrapvf.org/media/pdf/doghunt.htm

Geez guy, that dog was bread for hunting. I wonder if the other
"facts"
are as accurate.

Poodles have, and still do have in fact, a great reputation as a water
dog and retriever. You just don't see a lot of them doing it.

http://www.poodle-place.com/poodlehist.htm

They're also good on the grill, if you marinate them overnight in an
olive
oil/garlic/thyme/black pepper dressing. If the dog's owner objects, offer
to
let them join the dog for a "spin" (on the rotisserie).

Disgusting creatures. The dogs are, too.

Do you mean poodles or dogs in general?

Dogs. All of them. And about 82% of their owners. This is based on
discussions with a number of them in my new neighborhood. Example:

Me: Pardon me....could you please NOT let your dog stop on my lawn in the
future?
Them: Why?

Why??? Why? Because it's my friggin' lawn and I asked politely. Why, indeed.

LOL!!!

Ah, well it's not the dogs fault - it's the owner's fault. Dogs only
do what their masters allow them to do.

I have been a dog owner and trainer for most of my life. I did it on
the farm growing up with Border Collies, brought two of them east
with me when we moved to NE, handled and trained them when I was in
the service and have two Border's now.

I love dogs.

Later,

Tom

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On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 00:47:02 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in
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On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 00:24:00 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in
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On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 01:37:50 -0400, thunder
wrote:

On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 04:10:58 +0000, WaIIy wrote:


This is perfect...

http://www.nrapvf.org/media/pdf/doghunt.htm

Geez guy, that dog was bread for hunting. I wonder if the other
"facts"
are as accurate.

Poodles have, and still do have in fact, a great reputation as a
water
dog and retriever. You just don't see a lot of them doing it.

http://www.poodle-place.com/poodlehist.htm

They're also good on the grill, if you marinate them overnight in an
olive
oil/garlic/thyme/black pepper dressing. If the dog's owner objects,
offer
to
let them join the dog for a "spin" (on the rotisserie).

Disgusting creatures. The dogs are, too.

Do you mean poodles or dogs in general?

Dogs. All of them. And about 82% of their owners. This is based on
discussions with a number of them in my new neighborhood. Example:

Me: Pardon me....could you please NOT let your dog stop on my lawn in the
future?
Them: Why?

Why??? Why? Because it's my friggin' lawn and I asked politely. Why,
indeed.

LOL!!!

Ah, well it's not the dogs fault - it's the owner's fault. Dogs only
do what their masters allow them to do.

I have been a dog owner and trainer for most of my life. I did it on
the farm growing up with Border Collies, brought two of them east
with me when we moved to NE, handled and trained them when I was in
the service and have two Border's now.

I love dogs.

Well....they're more interesting than paper targets, I guess.

My ex-wife's cousin had a border collie. The cousin was one of those dog
owners who allow themselves to be brainwashed by their pet, so they believe
the dog can do no wrong. Cousin would leash the dog outside when it needed
to take a crap. Unfortunately, the spot she leashed it in was in the front
of the house where the beast could see guests coming, and the leash was long
enough to reach the front porch and the entire sidewalk from the driveway to
the porch. She (the dog) would get so excited when guests arrived that she
didn't realize she was stepping in her own crap. When the guests would come
to the door, she'd jump on them. What a treat: Come to dinner and have the
front of your clothes smell like dog crap the whole time. On my 3rd visit,
the dog was there, ready to perfume us. I dropped off my wife and went down
the road to a diner. That made for pleasant conversation when I picked her
up later. "You can't just vanish when my family invites us over!" "Oh? Some
people in your family are normal. This one's a blankety-blank hillbilly!"

On the next visit, the cousin promised to make sure the dog was indoors and
clean when we arrived. I had come straight from work wearing a nice, new
Hickey-Freeman suit. Inside, the dog came out of nowhere, jumped on the left
side of the jacket, got her claws stuck on the pocket, and tore most of the
left front of the jacket off. I kneed the dog in the throat, but it
continued pouncing and yapping, as border collies do. The cousin's first
comment: "Oh look how excited Jackie is to see you!" We were not rolling in
money at the time, but I needed to look really good at work. My wife finally
got on board at that moment and said "Wow! We'll be really excited when you
write us a check for the suit!" She and the cousin didn't speak for two
years afterward. HF was able to replace the jacket alone, since the
factory's right here in Rochester, so we gave her back some of the money.

Let's see....what else? Oh...yeah. Had a neighbor whose dog left its yard
constantly, and came to dig in my vegetable garden. When confronted, the
neighbor pointed out that the dog got off its "cord" and she didn't know
what to do about it. The "cord" was about the size of the red & white string
bakeries use to tie cake boxes.

Pass the marinade!

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
Ah, well it's not the dogs fault - it's the owner's fault. Dogs only
do what their masters allow them to do.

That's true. But you see, Doug missed out on that step of the civilizing
process. He's got agriculture down, but domestication of animals...
still working on it.

DSK

"DSK" wrote in message
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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
Ah, well it's not the dogs fault - it's the owner's fault. Dogs only
do what their masters allow them to do.

That's true. But you see, Doug missed out on that step of the civilizing
process. He's got agriculture down, but domestication of animals...
still working on it.

DSK


Hey! Cut it out. In my book, "domestication" means applying the proper herbs
and spices, and having the patience to cook things on the slow side of the
grill. Woof. Woof. Pass the hot sauce!

On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 22:20:08 -0400, DSK wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
Ah, well it's not the dogs fault - it's the owner's fault. Dogs only
do what their masters allow them to do.

That's true. But you see, Doug missed out on that step of the civilizing
process. He's got agriculture down, but domestication of animals...
still working on it.

Agrarians - can't live with 'em, can't live without 'em.

As stated, I have a life long relationship with dogs and at one point
was seriously thinking of going into anthropology just to study the
domestication of canines and how they affected early civilization.
When I found out that a great deal of work had been done, I became an
engineer. :)

It's a fascinating subject though and worthy of discussion at some
point when the election is over. :)

All the best,

Tom
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"What the hell's the deal with this newsgroup...
is there a computer terminal in the day room of
some looney bin somewhere?"

Bilgeman - circa 2004

On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 03:14:06 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:


"DSK" wrote in message
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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
Ah, well it's not the dogs fault - it's the owner's fault. Dogs only
do what their masters allow them to do.

That's true. But you see, Doug missed out on that step of the civilizing
process. He's got agriculture down, but domestication of animals...
still working on it.

Hey! Cut it out. In my book, "domestication" means applying the proper herbs
and spices, and having the patience to cook things on the slow side of the
grill. Woof. Woof. Pass the hot sauce!

I can't cook. Never have been able to. I don't have the patience for
it. In fact, I'm a vegetarian of sorts. I don't eat meat for
instance, but I can, and often do, eat soups made with beef/chicken
stock - there is a point where vegetarianism becomes a religion and I
don't partake.

All the best,

Tom
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"What the hell's the deal with this newsgroup...
is there a computer terminal in the day room of
some looney bin somewhere?"

Bilgeman - circa 2004

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 22:20:08 -0400, DSK wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
Ah, well it's not the dogs fault - it's the owner's fault. Dogs only
do what their masters allow them to do.

That's true. But you see, Doug missed out on that step of the civilizing
process. He's got agriculture down, but domestication of animals...
still working on it.

Agrarians - can't live with 'em, can't live without 'em.

As stated, I have a life long relationship with dogs and at one point
was seriously thinking of going into anthropology just to study the
domestication of canines and how they affected early civilization.
When I found out that a great deal of work had been done, I became an
engineer. :)

I'm reading an interesting book called "The Botany of Desire". The author
raises the interesting question "Who's wagging whom?" We think we
domesticate or refine animals & plants, but it may be the other way around.
He mentions dogs as the obvious example, but the book specifically focuses
on apples, tulips, potatoes and marijuana. The tulip issue is particularly
interesting if you think not of the flowers themselves, but of the virus
which causes the most interesting color streaks in the petals. Those streaks
are what caused the Dutch to go bananas in the early 1600s, speculating on
tulips until people lost their homes and their life savings. Was the virus
leading humans around by the nose? It didn't hurt the tulips, but it got
lots of people to cultivate them, just to see if they'd get a color pattern
that would make them rich next season.

I extend the analogy to dogs. "You're so cute and fuzzy! So what if you'll
only crap when you're off our property and on someone else's! I love being a
sociopath and helping you do that, even if it costs my neighbors hundreds of
dollars to clean their carpets!"

On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 11:01:18 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

~~ snippage ~~

I'm reading an interesting book called "The Botany of Desire". The author
raises the interesting question "Who's wagging whom?" We think we
domesticate or refine animals & plants, but it may be the other way around.
He mentions dogs as the obvious example, but the book specifically focuses
on apples, tulips, potatoes and marijuana. The tulip issue is particularly
interesting if you think not of the flowers themselves, but of the virus
which causes the most interesting color streaks in the petals. Those streaks
are what caused the Dutch to go bananas in the early 1600s, speculating on
tulips until people lost their homes and their life savings. Was the virus
leading humans around by the nose? It didn't hurt the tulips, but it got
lots of people to cultivate them, just to see if they'd get a color pattern
that would make them rich next season.

I'm familiar with this concept. One of my children has some skill in
the area of orchids and believes much the same about orchid
propagation. She is an osteopath with a sub specialty so the
intellectual curiosity is very obviously present.

I extend the analogy to dogs. "You're so cute and fuzzy! So what if you'll
only crap when you're off our property and on someone else's! I love being a
sociopath and helping you do that, even if it costs my neighbors hundreds of
dollars to clean their carpets!"

Well, that's an ownership problem. It's my opinion that people who
contemplate owning a dog, must prove they are worthy of owning a dog.
I also feel the same way about kids - you have to prove you are worthy
to have a child. I mean I had to do it and did four times in fact.
Why shouldn't others?

The problem with dogs is that they have been bred beyond their
original purpose. Dogs like the Papillon are bred as companion
animals and do very well in that role. They aren't real dogs however.

Dogs are man's helpmate. My experience with war dogs and my own bunch
of mad crazy insane Border Collies are a great experience. Give you
a 'fer instance - My youngest Border Skye hired herself out as a stock
dog once. I say hired herself out because one of my neighbors is a
dairy farmer and his herd got out of the pasture and was raiding the
corn field I rent out. Skye, for some reason unknowable to anyone,
saw it and took it on herself to put the cows back into the place
where she always saw them on our walks around my property.

That is one smart dog.

She has a great reputation - if one of the local farmers has their
heifers get out, they will call and I'll send Skye - "Sky, go to
Farmer Jim" and she's off through the woods. Farmer Dave - off across
the lake. She helps out rounding up the cows, then the guys call me
and I come and get her - all tuckered out and happy as the proverbial
pig. My youngest dog, Skippy, is taking up where Skye is leaving off.

Give you another 'fer instance.

My big guy, Duke, is blind. I never knew it until he was five years
old. Honest.

So the difference between your neighbors and my dogs is intelligence
and constant training. They stay in the yard, no leash, under
constant command and control.

In your case, blame the owner, not the dog. :)

Later,

Tom
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"Angling may be said to be so
like the mathematics that it
can never be fully learnt..."

Izaak Walton "The Compleat Angler", 1653

Doug Kanter wrote:
Hey! Cut it out. In my book, "domestication" means applying the proper herbs
and spices, and having the patience to cook things on the slow side of the
grill.

That's about how I feel about cats.

Now for a subject closer to on-topic, some people think fish make good
pets....

DSK

"DSK" wrote in message
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Doug Kanter wrote:
Hey! Cut it out. In my book, "domestication" means applying the proper
herbs
and spices, and having the patience to cook things on the slow side of
the
grill.

That's about how I feel about cats.

Now for a subject closer to on-topic, some people think fish make good
pets....

DSK


Let's not discuss fish. The weather here has sucked for two weeks, except
for a 39 minute period this past weekend. No fishing. I'm going crazier than
usual.