On October 16, 2004 Harry *Hope* posted the following link titled "Cheneys
*Outrage* Rings False" to alt.politics

From The Washington Post, 10/16/04:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2004Oct15.html

Washington Post
Saturday, October 16, 2004

Outrage That Rings False
By Hilary Rosen

Nicolle Devenish, communications director for the Bush-Cheney
campaign, said Thursday that John Kerry will pay a heavy political
price for what he did. Lynne Cheney, the vice president's wife, said,
"This is a bad man."

The crime? John Kerry in the final presidential debate suggested that
we are all God's children and used Mary Cheney as an example of a
healthy gay person loved by her family.

The response from the Cheneys and the Bush campaign has been blatantly
political. In fact, it is they who are using Mary Cheney -- using her
now to score points against Kerry and John Edwards over an issue on
which they themselves are guilty of the wrongs that Kerry and Edwards
are fighting against. Even after almost 30 years in Washington, I am
surprised by the overwhelming hypocrisy and meanness of the Bush
reelection campaign.

Let's review the facts. Before the election season, this
administration opposed every initiative to offer equality for gay men
and lesbians. Indeed, it has gone out of its way to be punitive, with
such actions as the Office of Personnel Management's announcement that
the federal government has no intention of honoring the Clinton
administration's order to add sexual orientation to
anti-discrimination rules in the federal government.

After the debate, the vice president said of John Kerry: "This is a
man who will say anything and do anything to get elected." Many people
thought the same thing about Dick Cheney and President Bush on Feb.
24. That was the day the president announced to the country that
heterosexual marriages are in trouble because gay people might someday
have such a right in a few states. The crisis was so dire that he
implored Congress to pass a constitutional amendment to permanently
take away any rights gay men and lesbians might have to equal access
to government benefits of marriage.

The Republican leaderships in both houses of Congress brought this
amendment to the floor. Anyone watching the debate would cringe at the
dehumanizing and painful things said by Republican sponsors of the
proposal about gay people.

All of the Cheneys have sat back as senators and members of Congress
who stood up for their position against the constitutional amendment
were attacked in campaigns across the country. In Texas, North Dakota,
South Carolina, Oklahoma, North Carolina and elsewhere, Republican
candidates are using the gay issue against Democrats who have done
nothing more than vote to protect the notion of fairness and equality
in our Constitution.

Where is the outrage of Dick and Lynne Cheney over this?

In August, at a town meeting, the vice president was asked to speak
from the heart about gay marriage. He did. He said he was against the
constitutional amendment. And he expressed love for his daughter. The
country was impressed.

I think the record is pretty clear that fair-minded political leaders
didn't talk publicly about Mary Cheney until her father did. All of a
sudden it was clear to John Kerry and John Edwards that if the Bush
campaign tried to attack them on the gay marriage issue, they should
just respond by saying they had the same position on this issue as
Dick Cheney. That is certainly the advice I gave them. How dare the
president criticize Kerry, as he did again the other night, for taking
the same position as Dick Cheney? And we know that anti-gay messages
are being promoted in many districts around the country to get out the
evangelical vote for President Bush on Election Day. The silent but
admirable Mary Cheney has remained a loyal daughter and foot soldier
in this homophobic campaign.

I feel sorry for her -- sorry that she seems to now be a pawn in this
race. But the perpetrator is not Kerry. This issue is in the campaign
because Bush sought political advantage by using it all year. This
week's outrage rings so false it makes my ears hurt.
-------------------------------------------------------


On October 16, 2004 Harry *Krause* posted the following link titled "Outrage
That Rings False" to rec.boats

--------------------------------------------------------------------

Washington Post
Saturday, October 16, 2004

Outrage That Rings False
By Hilary Rosen

Nicolle Devenish, communications director for the Bush-Cheney
campaign, said Thursday that John Kerry will pay a heavy political
price for what he did. Lynne Cheney, the vice president's wife, said,
"This is a bad man."

The crime? John Kerry in the final presidential debate suggested that
we are all God's children and used Mary Cheney as an example of a
healthy gay person loved by her family.

The response from the Cheneys and the Bush campaign has been blatantly
political. In fact, it is they who are using Mary Cheney -- using her
now to score points against Kerry and John Edwards over an issue on
which they themselves are guilty of the wrongs that Kerry and Edwards
are fighting against. Even after almost 30 years in Washington, I am
surprised by the overwhelming hypocrisy and meanness of the Bush
reelection campaign.

Let's review the facts. Before the election season, this
administration opposed every initiative to offer equality for gay men
and lesbians. Indeed, it has gone out of its way to be punitive, with
such actions as the Office of Personnel Management's announcement that
the federal government has no intention of honoring the Clinton
administration's order to add sexual orientation to
anti-discrimination rules in the federal government.

After the debate, the vice president said of John Kerry: "This is a
man who will say anything and do anything to get elected." Many people
thought the same thing about Dick Cheney and President Bush on Feb.
24. That was the day the president announced to the country that
heterosexual marriages are in trouble because gay people might someday
have such a right in a few states. The crisis was so dire that he
implored Congress to pass a constitutional amendment to permanently
take away any rights gay men and lesbians might have to equal access
to government benefits of marriage.

The Republican leaderships in both houses of Congress brought this
amendment to the floor. Anyone watching the debate would cringe at the
dehumanizing and painful things said by Republican sponsors of the
proposal about gay people.

All of the Cheneys have sat back as senators and members of Congress
who stood up for their position against the constitutional amendment
were attacked in campaigns across the country. In Texas, North Dakota,
South Carolina, Oklahoma, North Carolina and elsewhere, Republican
candidates are using the gay issue against Democrats who have done
nothing more than vote to protect the notion of fairness and equality
in our Constitution.

Where is the outrage of Dick and Lynne Cheney over this?

In August, at a town meeting, the vice president was asked to speak
from the heart about gay marriage. He did. He said he was against the
constitutional amendment. And he expressed love for his daughter. The
country was impressed.

I think the record is pretty clear that fair-minded political leaders
didn't talk publicly about Mary Cheney until her father did. All of a
sudden it was clear to John Kerry and John Edwards that if the Bush
campaign tried to attack them on the gay marriage issue, they should
just respond by saying they had the same position on this issue as
Dick Cheney. That is certainly the advice I gave them. How dare the
president criticize Kerry, as he did again the other night, for taking
the same position as Dick Cheney? And we know that anti-gay messages
are being promoted in many districts around the country to get out the
evangelical vote for President Bush on Election Day. The silent but
admirable Mary Cheney has remained a loyal daughter and foot soldier
in this homophobic campaign.

I feel sorry for her -- sorry that she seems to now be a pawn in this
race. But the perpetrator is not Kerry. This issue is in the campaign
because Bush sought political advantage by using it all year. This
week's outrage rings so false it makes my ears hurt.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Coincidence? Me thinks not.

Harry Krause = Harry Hope.

Pretty funny. LMOA!!

How does Harry have the time to make so many posts in rec.boats and still
post in alt.politics?

"JimH" wrote in message
...
On October 16, 2004 Harry *Hope* posted the following link titled
"Cheneys
*Outrage* Rings False" to alt.politics

From The Washington Post, 10/16/04:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2004Oct15.html

Washington Post
Saturday, October 16, 2004

Outrage That Rings False
By Hilary Rosen

Nicolle Devenish, communications director for the Bush-Cheney
campaign, said Thursday that John Kerry will pay a heavy political
price for what he did. Lynne Cheney, the vice president's wife, said,
"This is a bad man."

The crime? John Kerry in the final presidential debate suggested that
we are all God's children and used Mary Cheney as an example of a
healthy gay person loved by her family.

The response from the Cheneys and the Bush campaign has been blatantly
political. In fact, it is they who are using Mary Cheney -- using her
now to score points against Kerry and John Edwards over an issue on
which they themselves are guilty of the wrongs that Kerry and Edwards
are fighting against. Even after almost 30 years in Washington, I am
surprised by the overwhelming hypocrisy and meanness of the Bush
reelection campaign.

Let's review the facts. Before the election season, this
administration opposed every initiative to offer equality for gay men
and lesbians. Indeed, it has gone out of its way to be punitive, with
such actions as the Office of Personnel Management's announcement that
the federal government has no intention of honoring the Clinton
administration's order to add sexual orientation to
anti-discrimination rules in the federal government.

After the debate, the vice president said of John Kerry: "This is a
man who will say anything and do anything to get elected." Many people
thought the same thing about Dick Cheney and President Bush on Feb.
24. That was the day the president announced to the country that
heterosexual marriages are in trouble because gay people might someday
have such a right in a few states. The crisis was so dire that he
implored Congress to pass a constitutional amendment to permanently
take away any rights gay men and lesbians might have to equal access
to government benefits of marriage.

The Republican leaderships in both houses of Congress brought this
amendment to the floor. Anyone watching the debate would cringe at the
dehumanizing and painful things said by Republican sponsors of the
proposal about gay people.

All of the Cheneys have sat back as senators and members of Congress
who stood up for their position against the constitutional amendment
were attacked in campaigns across the country. In Texas, North Dakota,
South Carolina, Oklahoma, North Carolina and elsewhere, Republican
candidates are using the gay issue against Democrats who have done
nothing more than vote to protect the notion of fairness and equality
in our Constitution.

Where is the outrage of Dick and Lynne Cheney over this?

In August, at a town meeting, the vice president was asked to speak
from the heart about gay marriage. He did. He said he was against the
constitutional amendment. And he expressed love for his daughter. The
country was impressed.

I think the record is pretty clear that fair-minded political leaders
didn't talk publicly about Mary Cheney until her father did. All of a
sudden it was clear to John Kerry and John Edwards that if the Bush
campaign tried to attack them on the gay marriage issue, they should
just respond by saying they had the same position on this issue as
Dick Cheney. That is certainly the advice I gave them. How dare the
president criticize Kerry, as he did again the other night, for taking
the same position as Dick Cheney? And we know that anti-gay messages
are being promoted in many districts around the country to get out the
evangelical vote for President Bush on Election Day. The silent but
admirable Mary Cheney has remained a loyal daughter and foot soldier
in this homophobic campaign.

I feel sorry for her -- sorry that she seems to now be a pawn in this
race. But the perpetrator is not Kerry. This issue is in the campaign
because Bush sought political advantage by using it all year. This
week's outrage rings so false it makes my ears hurt.
-------------------------------------------------------


On October 16, 2004 Harry *Krause* posted the following link titled
"Outrage
That Rings False" to rec.boats

--------------------------------------------------------------------

Washington Post
Saturday, October 16, 2004

Outrage That Rings False
By Hilary Rosen

Nicolle Devenish, communications director for the Bush-Cheney
campaign, said Thursday that John Kerry will pay a heavy political
price for what he did. Lynne Cheney, the vice president's wife, said,
"This is a bad man."

The crime? John Kerry in the final presidential debate suggested that
we are all God's children and used Mary Cheney as an example of a
healthy gay person loved by her family.

The response from the Cheneys and the Bush campaign has been blatantly
political. In fact, it is they who are using Mary Cheney -- using her
now to score points against Kerry and John Edwards over an issue on
which they themselves are guilty of the wrongs that Kerry and Edwards
are fighting against. Even after almost 30 years in Washington, I am
surprised by the overwhelming hypocrisy and meanness of the Bush
reelection campaign.

Let's review the facts. Before the election season, this
administration opposed every initiative to offer equality for gay men
and lesbians. Indeed, it has gone out of its way to be punitive, with
such actions as the Office of Personnel Management's announcement that
the federal government has no intention of honoring the Clinton
administration's order to add sexual orientation to
anti-discrimination rules in the federal government.

After the debate, the vice president said of John Kerry: "This is a
man who will say anything and do anything to get elected." Many people
thought the same thing about Dick Cheney and President Bush on Feb.
24. That was the day the president announced to the country that
heterosexual marriages are in trouble because gay people might someday
have such a right in a few states. The crisis was so dire that he
implored Congress to pass a constitutional amendment to permanently
take away any rights gay men and lesbians might have to equal access
to government benefits of marriage.

The Republican leaderships in both houses of Congress brought this
amendment to the floor. Anyone watching the debate would cringe at the
dehumanizing and painful things said by Republican sponsors of the
proposal about gay people.

All of the Cheneys have sat back as senators and members of Congress
who stood up for their position against the constitutional amendment
were attacked in campaigns across the country. In Texas, North Dakota,
South Carolina, Oklahoma, North Carolina and elsewhere, Republican
candidates are using the gay issue against Democrats who have done
nothing more than vote to protect the notion of fairness and equality
in our Constitution.

Where is the outrage of Dick and Lynne Cheney over this?

In August, at a town meeting, the vice president was asked to speak
from the heart about gay marriage. He did. He said he was against the
constitutional amendment. And he expressed love for his daughter. The
country was impressed.

I think the record is pretty clear that fair-minded political leaders
didn't talk publicly about Mary Cheney until her father did. All of a
sudden it was clear to John Kerry and John Edwards that if the Bush
campaign tried to attack them on the gay marriage issue, they should
just respond by saying they had the same position on this issue as
Dick Cheney. That is certainly the advice I gave them. How dare the
president criticize Kerry, as he did again the other night, for taking
the same position as Dick Cheney? And we know that anti-gay messages
are being promoted in many districts around the country to get out the
evangelical vote for President Bush on Election Day. The silent but
admirable Mary Cheney has remained a loyal daughter and foot soldier
in this homophobic campaign.

I feel sorry for her -- sorry that she seems to now be a pawn in this
race. But the perpetrator is not Kerry. This issue is in the campaign
because Bush sought political advantage by using it all year. This
week's outrage rings so false it makes my ears hurt.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Coincidence? Me thinks not.

Harry Krause = Harry Hope.

Pretty funny. LMOA!!

Harry Krause and Harry Hope posted the exact same post about the NYTimes
endorsing Kerry today with the posts 2 minutes apart, with Krause posting
here and Hope posting in alt.politics.

LMAO!

Harry Hope = Harry Krause


"Jon Smithe" wrote in message
news:Xrwcd.275133$3l3.270112@attbi_s03...
How does Harry have the time to make so many posts in rec.boats and still
post in alt.politics?

"JimH" wrote in message
...
On October 16, 2004 Harry *Hope* posted the following link titled
"Cheneys
*Outrage* Rings False" to alt.politics

From The Washington Post, 10/16/04:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2004Oct15.html

Washington Post
Saturday, October 16, 2004

Outrage That Rings False
By Hilary Rosen

Nicolle Devenish, communications director for the Bush-Cheney
campaign, said Thursday that John Kerry will pay a heavy political
price for what he did. Lynne Cheney, the vice president's wife, said,
"This is a bad man."

The crime? John Kerry in the final presidential debate suggested that
we are all God's children and used Mary Cheney as an example of a
healthy gay person loved by her family.

The response from the Cheneys and the Bush campaign has been blatantly
political. In fact, it is they who are using Mary Cheney -- using her
now to score points against Kerry and John Edwards over an issue on
which they themselves are guilty of the wrongs that Kerry and Edwards
are fighting against. Even after almost 30 years in Washington, I am
surprised by the overwhelming hypocrisy and meanness of the Bush
reelection campaign.

Let's review the facts. Before the election season, this
administration opposed every initiative to offer equality for gay men
and lesbians. Indeed, it has gone out of its way to be punitive, with
such actions as the Office of Personnel Management's announcement that
the federal government has no intention of honoring the Clinton
administration's order to add sexual orientation to
anti-discrimination rules in the federal government.

After the debate, the vice president said of John Kerry: "This is a
man who will say anything and do anything to get elected." Many people
thought the same thing about Dick Cheney and President Bush on Feb.
24. That was the day the president announced to the country that
heterosexual marriages are in trouble because gay people might someday
have such a right in a few states. The crisis was so dire that he
implored Congress to pass a constitutional amendment to permanently
take away any rights gay men and lesbians might have to equal access
to government benefits of marriage.

The Republican leaderships in both houses of Congress brought this
amendment to the floor. Anyone watching the debate would cringe at the
dehumanizing and painful things said by Republican sponsors of the
proposal about gay people.

All of the Cheneys have sat back as senators and members of Congress
who stood up for their position against the constitutional amendment
were attacked in campaigns across the country. In Texas, North Dakota,
South Carolina, Oklahoma, North Carolina and elsewhere, Republican
candidates are using the gay issue against Democrats who have done
nothing more than vote to protect the notion of fairness and equality
in our Constitution.

Where is the outrage of Dick and Lynne Cheney over this?

In August, at a town meeting, the vice president was asked to speak
from the heart about gay marriage. He did. He said he was against the
constitutional amendment. And he expressed love for his daughter. The
country was impressed.

I think the record is pretty clear that fair-minded political leaders
didn't talk publicly about Mary Cheney until her father did. All of a
sudden it was clear to John Kerry and John Edwards that if the Bush
campaign tried to attack them on the gay marriage issue, they should
just respond by saying they had the same position on this issue as
Dick Cheney. That is certainly the advice I gave them. How dare the
president criticize Kerry, as he did again the other night, for taking
the same position as Dick Cheney? And we know that anti-gay messages
are being promoted in many districts around the country to get out the
evangelical vote for President Bush on Election Day. The silent but
admirable Mary Cheney has remained a loyal daughter and foot soldier
in this homophobic campaign.

I feel sorry for her -- sorry that she seems to now be a pawn in this
race. But the perpetrator is not Kerry. This issue is in the campaign
because Bush sought political advantage by using it all year. This
week's outrage rings so false it makes my ears hurt.
-------------------------------------------------------


On October 16, 2004 Harry *Krause* posted the following link titled
"Outrage
That Rings False" to rec.boats

--------------------------------------------------------------------

Washington Post
Saturday, October 16, 2004

Outrage That Rings False
By Hilary Rosen

Nicolle Devenish, communications director for the Bush-Cheney
campaign, said Thursday that John Kerry will pay a heavy political
price for what he did. Lynne Cheney, the vice president's wife, said,
"This is a bad man."

The crime? John Kerry in the final presidential debate suggested that
we are all God's children and used Mary Cheney as an example of a
healthy gay person loved by her family.

The response from the Cheneys and the Bush campaign has been blatantly
political. In fact, it is they who are using Mary Cheney -- using her
now to score points against Kerry and John Edwards over an issue on
which they themselves are guilty of the wrongs that Kerry and Edwards
are fighting against. Even after almost 30 years in Washington, I am
surprised by the overwhelming hypocrisy and meanness of the Bush
reelection campaign.

Let's review the facts. Before the election season, this
administration opposed every initiative to offer equality for gay men
and lesbians. Indeed, it has gone out of its way to be punitive, with
such actions as the Office of Personnel Management's announcement that
the federal government has no intention of honoring the Clinton
administration's order to add sexual orientation to
anti-discrimination rules in the federal government.

After the debate, the vice president said of John Kerry: "This is a
man who will say anything and do anything to get elected." Many people
thought the same thing about Dick Cheney and President Bush on Feb.
24. That was the day the president announced to the country that
heterosexual marriages are in trouble because gay people might someday
have such a right in a few states. The crisis was so dire that he
implored Congress to pass a constitutional amendment to permanently
take away any rights gay men and lesbians might have to equal access
to government benefits of marriage.

The Republican leaderships in both houses of Congress brought this
amendment to the floor. Anyone watching the debate would cringe at the
dehumanizing and painful things said by Republican sponsors of the
proposal about gay people.

All of the Cheneys have sat back as senators and members of Congress
who stood up for their position against the constitutional amendment
were attacked in campaigns across the country. In Texas, North Dakota,
South Carolina, Oklahoma, North Carolina and elsewhere, Republican
candidates are using the gay issue against Democrats who have done
nothing more than vote to protect the notion of fairness and equality
in our Constitution.

Where is the outrage of Dick and Lynne Cheney over this?

In August, at a town meeting, the vice president was asked to speak
from the heart about gay marriage. He did. He said he was against the
constitutional amendment. And he expressed love for his daughter. The
country was impressed.

I think the record is pretty clear that fair-minded political leaders
didn't talk publicly about Mary Cheney until her father did. All of a
sudden it was clear to John Kerry and John Edwards that if the Bush
campaign tried to attack them on the gay marriage issue, they should
just respond by saying they had the same position on this issue as
Dick Cheney. That is certainly the advice I gave them. How dare the
president criticize Kerry, as he did again the other night, for taking
the same position as Dick Cheney? And we know that anti-gay messages
are being promoted in many districts around the country to get out the
evangelical vote for President Bush on Election Day. The silent but
admirable Mary Cheney has remained a loyal daughter and foot soldier
in this homophobic campaign.

I feel sorry for her -- sorry that she seems to now be a pawn in this
race. But the perpetrator is not Kerry. This issue is in the campaign
because Bush sought political advantage by using it all year. This
week's outrage rings so false it makes my ears hurt.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Coincidence? Me thinks not.

Harry Krause = Harry Hope.

Pretty funny. LMOA!!

The thing about Harry is he never posts anything new so you are not missing
anything by killfilling him.


"JohnH" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 12:11:35 -0400, "JimH" wrote:

Harry Krause and Harry Hope posted the exact same post about the NYTimes
endorsing Kerry today with the posts 2 minutes apart, with Krause posting
here and Hope posting in alt.politics.

LMAO!

Harry Hope = Harry Krause


I can't wait for his denials. Please post them when he starts. Having
him kill filed is the best thing I've ever done. Now if only the rest
of y'all would stop reposting his ****! :-)

John H

On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD,
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

There are 10 kinds of people in the world,
those who can do binary and those who can't!

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
JohnH wrote:
On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 15:44:55 GMT, "Jon Smithe"
wrote:

How does Harry have the time to make so many posts in rec.boats and still
post in alt.politics?

Do a google of Harry Krause, and you'll find that he posts his **** in
all kinds of places!

At least this was true a few weeks ago.

John H

On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD,
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

There are 10 kinds of people in the world,
those who can do binary and those who can't!

alt.politics?

Sorry, ****s-for-brains, but I don't post in alt.politics, at least not
directly. I don't even read alt.politics. If someone posts in a
political newsgroup I do read, and has crossposted to a number of
political newsgroups, I don't eliminate the other groups...too much
trouble.

Isn't it about time for one of you low-brain-outputters to again claim
I'm Harry Hope?


Strictly a coincidence that you post exactly the same things in 2 different
ng's under different names, often times within a matter of minutes of each
other.

Coincidence. Pure coincidence. LMAO!