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... "In areas where there are no union apprenticeship programs, many Tile Setters acquire skills informally by working as helpers to experienced workers." Pretty much sums up your point that there is no NEED for an apprenticeship program. Uh oh. It's Fritz logic again. Let's see if I understand you correctly: If something doesn't exist in a certain place, that means there's no need for it? And, what if the only tile installers in a small town have marginal skills, but more than a guy who's interested in entering the trade and needs training? Would you say there is a need for GOOD training, or should he just throw up his hands and say "Oh well. I'll learn from someone who's just a year ahead of where I am now"? |
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"JimH" wrote in message ... "basskisser" atl_man2@a href="http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=1&k=yahoo%20com" onmouseover="window.status='yahoo.com'; return true;" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;"yahoo.com/a wrote in message om... "JimH" wrote in message ... "Harry Krause" piedtypecase@a href="http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=1&k=yahoo%20com" onmouseover="window.status='yahoo.com'; return true;" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;"yahoo.com/a wrote in message ... Doug Kanter wrote: "JimH" wrote in message ... "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... This week, we had about 1000 square feet of the lower level of our house tiled in a href="http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=1&k=ceramic%20tile" onmouseover="window.status='a href="http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=1&k=ceramic%20tile" onmouseover="window.status='ceramic tile'; return true;" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;"ceramic tile/a'; return true;" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;"ceramic tile/a. This is the area that comprises my a href="http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=1&k=home%20office" onmouseover="window.status='a href="http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=1&k=home%20office" onmouseover="window.status='home office'; return true;" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;"home office/a'; return true;" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;"home office/a. *Lower level* of your house? So you had your basement tiled. Why not just say so. And it sounds like your first quote was off base. I would guess even a non union company would have beat it. What is so special about laying tile that you need to be union? Just my guess: How about the presence of formal training (apprenticeship) arrangements? That means something. Otherwise, you could end up hiring someone who, after discovering they were pretty good at it after doing their own home, decided to open a business. Union tilesetters undergo a formal, three-year apprenticeship program. A lot of that training has to do with the safe handling of various chemicals that are rarely, if ever, used during tilesetting or maintenance in single-family homes. Pure bull****. Very few union tilesetters work single-family residential, although I have foudn the crews I've hired in my minor-league homebuilding ventures to be more skilled and efficient than the non-union crews. It is kind of humorous that Hertvik is commenting here...if you saw a photo of his house, you'd conclude that no one with a sense of design, taste or construction skill was involved...but, hey, taste is subjective,eh? We have a 4,000 square foot house constructed in 1992. If you have a picture to post please do. I have no idea how you would have obtained it, but as you have been stalking me recently I guess nothing is beyond belief with you. Tile setting is not difficult. No need for a 3 year apprenticeship program unless one is mentally challenged. As usual, you are wrong. Dead wrong. Look below, taken from http://www.calmis.cahwnet.gov/file/occguide/TILESET.HTM ENTRANCE REQUIREMENTS AND TRAINING Tile Setters usually begin as helpers until they enter an apprenticeship program. After completing a three or four-year program that includes both practical and classroom education, the apprentice can advance to full journey-level status. An apprenticeship program usually consists of on-the-job training and related classroom instruction in blueprint reading, layout, and basic mathematics. To become an apprentice, a candidate must be at least 18 years old and be physically able to perform the work of the trade. Good vision, color perception, and manual dexterity are important assets. Though there are no formal educational requirements, employers usually prefer high school graduates. Job applicants should know basic math and be able to read and write. Helpful high school classes include shop and mechanical drawing. The ability to read blueprints is also a desirable skill. In areas where there are no union apprenticeship programs, many Tile Setters acquire skills informally by working as helpers to experienced workers. So, as you can see, you, again, don't have a damned clue what you are talking about. I never disputed the fact that they had a 3 year apprenticeship, only that the trade is certainly not one requiring 3 years of training as tile setting is not a skilled trade imo. Try reading for content next time and stick to the issue 'Bassy. Asslicker ought to read his own posts...... "In areas where there are no union apprenticeship programs, many Tile Setters acquire skills informally by working as helpers to experienced workers." Pretty much sums up your point that there is no NEED for an apprenticeship program. ONce again, asslicker shows why he retains the crown as "King of the NG idiots" I wish you had more than a third grade mentality, then perhaps you'd know something, and something could be explained to you. Know wonder your wife ran you off. |
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"JimH" wrote in message ... "basskisser" atl_man2@a href="http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=1&k=yahoo%20com" onmouseover="window.status='yahoo.com'; return true;" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;"yahoo.com/a wrote in message om... "JimH" wrote in message ... "Harry Krause" piedtypecase@a href="http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=1&k=yahoo%20com" onmouseover="window.status='yahoo.com'; return true;" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;"yahoo.com/a wrote in message ... Doug Kanter wrote: "JimH" wrote in message ... "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... This week, we had about 1000 square feet of the lower level of our house tiled in a href="http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=1&k=ceramic%20tile" onmouseover="window.status='a href="http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=1&k=ceramic%20tile" onmouseover="window.status='ceramic tile'; return true;" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;"ceramic tile/a'; return true;" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;"ceramic tile/a. This is the area that comprises my a href="http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=1&k=home%20office" onmouseover="window.status='a href="http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=1&k=home%20office" onmouseover="window.status='home office'; return true;" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;"home office/a'; return true;" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;"home office/a. *Lower level* of your house? So you had your basement tiled. Why not just say so. And it sounds like your first quote was off base. I would guess even a non union company would have beat it. What is so special about laying tile that you need to be union? Just my guess: How about the presence of formal training (apprenticeship) arrangements? That means something. Otherwise, you could end up hiring someone who, after discovering they were pretty good at it after doing their own home, decided to open a business. Union tilesetters undergo a formal, three-year apprenticeship program. A lot of that training has to do with the safe handling of various chemicals that are rarely, if ever, used during tilesetting or maintenance in single-family homes. Pure bull****. Very few union tilesetters work single-family residential, although I have foudn the crews I've hired in my minor-league homebuilding ventures to be more skilled and efficient than the non-union crews. It is kind of humorous that Hertvik is commenting here...if you saw a photo of his house, you'd conclude that no one with a sense of design, taste or construction skill was involved...but, hey, taste is subjective,eh? We have a 4,000 square foot house constructed in 1992. If you have a picture to post please do. I have no idea how you would have obtained it, but as you have been stalking me recently I guess nothing is beyond belief with you. Tile setting is not difficult. No need for a 3 year apprenticeship program unless one is mentally challenged. As usual, you are wrong. Dead wrong. Look below, taken from http://www.calmis.cahwnet.gov/file/occguide/TILESET.HTM ENTRANCE REQUIREMENTS AND TRAINING Tile Setters usually begin as helpers until they enter an apprenticeship program. After completing a three or four-year program that includes both practical and classroom education, the apprentice can advance to full journey-level status. An apprenticeship program usually consists of on-the-job training and related classroom instruction in blueprint reading, layout, and basic mathematics. To become an apprentice, a candidate must be at least 18 years old and be physically able to perform the work of the trade. Good vision, color perception, and manual dexterity are important assets. Though there are no formal educational requirements, employers usually prefer high school graduates. Job applicants should know basic math and be able to read and write. Helpful high school classes include shop and mechanical drawing. The ability to read blueprints is also a desirable skill. In areas where there are no union apprenticeship programs, many Tile Setters acquire skills informally by working as helpers to experienced workers. So, as you can see, you, again, don't have a damned clue what you are talking about. I never disputed the fact that they had a 3 year apprenticeship, only that the trade is certainly not one requiring 3 years of training as tile setting is not a skilled trade imo. Try reading for content next time and stick to the issue 'Bassy. Asslicker ought to read his own posts...... "In areas where there are no union apprenticeship programs, many Tile Setters acquire skills informally by working as helpers to experienced workers." Pretty much sums up your point that there is no NEED for an apprenticeship program. ONce again, asslicker shows why he retains the crown as "King of the NG idiots" What to **** do you think that "working as helpers to experienced workers" is, anyway???? |
"basskisser" wrote in message om... "P.Fritz" wrote in message ... "JimH" wrote in message ... "basskisser" atl_man2@a href="http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=1&k=yahoo%20com" onmouseover="window.status='yahoo.com'; return true;" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;"yahoo.com/a wrote in message om... "JimH" wrote in message ... "Harry Krause" piedtypecase@a href="http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=1&k=yahoo%20com" onmouseover="window.status='yahoo.com'; return true;" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;"yahoo.com/a wrote in message ... Doug Kanter wrote: "JimH" wrote in message ... "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... This week, we had about 1000 square feet of the lower level of our house tiled in a href="http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=1&k=ceramic%20tile" onmouseover="window.status='a href="http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=1&k=ceramic%20tile" onmouseover="window.status='ceramic tile'; return true;" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;"ceramic tile/a'; return true;" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;"ceramic tile/a. This is the area that comprises my a href="http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=1&k=home%20office" onmouseover="window.status='a href="http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=1&k=home%20office" onmouseover="window.status='home office'; return true;" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;"home office/a'; return true;" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;"home office/a. *Lower level* of your house? So you had your basement tiled. Why not just say so. And it sounds like your first quote was off base. I would guess even a non union company would have beat it. What is so special about laying tile that you need to be union? Just my guess: How about the presence of formal training (apprenticeship) arrangements? That means something. Otherwise, you could end up hiring someone who, after discovering they were pretty good at it after doing their own home, decided to open a business. Union tilesetters undergo a formal, three-year apprenticeship program. A lot of that training has to do with the safe handling of various chemicals that are rarely, if ever, used during tilesetting or maintenance in single-family homes. Pure bull****. Very few union tilesetters work single-family residential, although I have foudn the crews I've hired in my minor-league homebuilding ventures to be more skilled and efficient than the non-union crews. It is kind of humorous that Hertvik is commenting here...if you saw a photo of his house, you'd conclude that no one with a sense of design, taste or construction skill was involved...but, hey, taste is subjective,eh? We have a 4,000 square foot house constructed in 1992. If you have a picture to post please do. I have no idea how you would have obtained it, but as you have been stalking me recently I guess nothing is beyond belief with you. Tile setting is not difficult. No need for a 3 year apprenticeship program unless one is mentally challenged. As usual, you are wrong. Dead wrong. Look below, taken from http://www.calmis.cahwnet.gov/file/occguide/TILESET.HTM ENTRANCE REQUIREMENTS AND TRAINING Tile Setters usually begin as helpers until they enter an apprenticeship program. After completing a three or four-year program that includes both practical and classroom education, the apprentice can advance to full journey-level status. An apprenticeship program usually consists of on-the-job training and related classroom instruction in blueprint reading, layout, and basic mathematics. To become an apprentice, a candidate must be at least 18 years old and be physically able to perform the work of the trade. Good vision, color perception, and manual dexterity are important assets. Though there are no formal educational requirements, employers usually prefer high school graduates. Job applicants should know basic math and be able to read and write. Helpful high school classes include shop and mechanical drawing. The ability to read blueprints is also a desirable skill. In areas where there are no union apprenticeship programs, many Tile Setters acquire skills informally by working as helpers to experienced workers. So, as you can see, you, again, don't have a damned clue what you are talking about. I never disputed the fact that they had a 3 year apprenticeship, only that the trade is certainly not one requiring 3 years of training as tile setting is not a skilled trade imo. Try reading for content next time and stick to the issue 'Bassy. Asslicker ought to read his own posts...... "In areas where there are no union apprenticeship programs, many Tile Setters acquire skills informally by working as helpers to experienced workers." Pretty much sums up your point that there is no NEED for an apprenticeship program. ONce again, asslicker shows why he retains the crown as "King of the NG idiots" What to **** do you think that "working as helpers to experienced workers" is, anyway???? Do you argue with people just for the sake of arguing with them? |
"JimH" wrote in message ... "basskisser" wrote in message om... "P.Fritz" wrote in message ... "JimH" wrote in message ... "basskisser" atl_man2@a href="http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=1&k=yahoo%20com" onmouseover="window.status='yahoo.com'; return true;" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;"yahoo.com/a wrote in message om... "JimH" wrote in message ... "Harry Krause" piedtypecase@a href="http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=1&k=yahoo%20com" onmouseover="window.status='yahoo.com'; return true;" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;"yahoo.com/a wrote in message ... Doug Kanter wrote: "JimH" wrote in message ... "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... This week, we had about 1000 square feet of the lower level of our house tiled in a href="http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=1&k=ceramic%20tile" onmouseover="window.status='a href="http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=1&k=ceramic%20tile" onmouseover="window.status='ceramic tile'; return true;" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;"ceramic tile/a'; return true;" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;"ceramic tile/a. This is the area that comprises my a href="http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=1&k=home%20office" onmouseover="window.status='a href="http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=1&k=home%20office" onmouseover="window.status='home office'; return true;" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;"home office/a'; return true;" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;"home office/a. *Lower level* of your house? So you had your basement tiled. Why not just say so. And it sounds like your first quote was off base. I would guess even a non union company would have beat it. What is so special about laying tile that you need to be union? Just my guess: How about the presence of formal training (apprenticeship) arrangements? That means something. Otherwise, you could end up hiring someone who, after discovering they were pretty good at it after doing their own home, decided to open a business. Union tilesetters undergo a formal, three-year apprenticeship program. A lot of that training has to do with the safe handling of various chemicals that are rarely, if ever, used during tilesetting or maintenance in single-family homes. Pure bull****. Very few union tilesetters work single-family residential, although I have foudn the crews I've hired in my minor-league homebuilding ventures to be more skilled and efficient than the non-union crews. It is kind of humorous that Hertvik is commenting here...if you saw a photo of his house, you'd conclude that no one with a sense of design, taste or construction skill was involved...but, hey, taste is subjective,eh? We have a 4,000 square foot house constructed in 1992. If you have a picture to post please do. I have no idea how you would have obtained it, but as you have been stalking me recently I guess nothing is beyond belief with you. Tile setting is not difficult. No need for a 3 year apprenticeship program unless one is mentally challenged. As usual, you are wrong. Dead wrong. Look below, taken from http://www.calmis.cahwnet.gov/file/occguide/TILESET.HTM ENTRANCE REQUIREMENTS AND TRAINING Tile Setters usually begin as helpers until they enter an apprenticeship program. After completing a three or four-year program that includes both practical and classroom education, the apprentice can advance to full journey-level status. An apprenticeship program usually consists of on-the-job training and related classroom instruction in blueprint reading, layout, and basic mathematics. To become an apprentice, a candidate must be at least 18 years old and be physically able to perform the work of the trade. Good vision, color perception, and manual dexterity are important assets. Though there are no formal educational requirements, employers usually prefer high school graduates. Job applicants should know basic math and be able to read and write. Helpful high school classes include shop and mechanical drawing. The ability to read blueprints is also a desirable skill. In areas where there are no union apprenticeship programs, many Tile Setters acquire skills informally by working as helpers to experienced workers. So, as you can see, you, again, don't have a damned clue what you are talking about. I never disputed the fact that they had a 3 year apprenticeship, only that the trade is certainly not one requiring 3 years of training as tile setting is not a skilled trade imo. Try reading for content next time and stick to the issue 'Bassy. Asslicker ought to read his own posts...... "In areas where there are no union apprenticeship programs, many Tile Setters acquire skills informally by working as helpers to experienced workers." Pretty much sums up your point that there is no NEED for an apprenticeship program. ONce again, asslicker shows why he retains the crown as "King of the NG idiots" What to **** do you think that "working as helpers to experienced workers" is, anyway???? Do you argue with people just for the sake of arguing with them? He's to dumb to realize when he has defeated his own arguement. That boy continues to prove he is dumber than a tree stump. |
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"JimH" wrote in message ... "basskisser" atl_man2@a href="http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=1&k=yahoo%20com" onmouseover="window.status='yahoo.com'; return true;" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;"yahoo.com/a wrote in message om... "P.Fritz" wrote in message ... "JimH" wrote in message ... "basskisser" atl_man2@a href="http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=1&k=yahoo%20com" onmouseover="window.status='yahoo.com'; return true;" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;"yahoo.com/a wrote in message om... "JimH" wrote in message ... "Harry Krause" piedtypecase@a href="http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=1&k=yahoo%20com" onmouseover="window.status='yahoo.com'; return true;" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;"yahoo.com/a wrote in message ... Doug Kanter wrote: "JimH" wrote in message ... "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... This week, we had about 1000 square feet of the lower level of our house tiled in a href="http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=1&k=ceramic%20tile" onmouseover="window.status='a href="http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=1&k=ceramic%20tile" onmouseover="window.status='a href="http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=1&k=ceramic%20tile" onmouseover="window.status='ceramic tile'; return true;" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;"ceramic tile/a'; return true;" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;"ceramic tile/a'; return true;" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;"ceramic tile/a. This is the area that comprises my a href="http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=1&k=home%20office" onmouseover="window.status='a href="http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=1&k=home%20office" onmouseover="window.status='a href="http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=1&k=home%20office" onmouseover="window.status='home office'; return true;" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;"home office/a'; return true;" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;"home office/a'; return true;" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;"home office/a. *Lower level* of your house? So you had your basement tiled. Why not just say so. And it sounds like your first quote was off base. I would guess even a non union company would have beat it. What is so special about laying tile that you need to be union? Just my guess: How about the presence of formal training (apprenticeship) arrangements? That means something. Otherwise, you could end up hiring someone who, after discovering they were pretty good at it after doing their own home, decided to open a business. Union tilesetters undergo a formal, three-year apprenticeship program. A lot of that training has to do with the safe handling of various chemicals that are rarely, if ever, used during tilesetting or maintenance in single-family homes. Pure bull****. Very few union tilesetters work single-family residential, although I have foudn the crews I've hired in my minor-league homebuilding ventures to be more skilled and efficient than the non-union crews. It is kind of humorous that Hertvik is commenting here...if you saw a photo of his house, you'd conclude that no one with a sense of design, taste or construction skill was involved...but, hey, taste is subjective,eh? We have a 4,000 square foot house constructed in 1992. If you have a picture to post please do. I have no idea how you would have obtained it, but as you have been stalking me recently I guess nothing is beyond belief with you. Tile setting is not difficult. No need for a 3 year apprenticeship program unless one is mentally challenged. As usual, you are wrong. Dead wrong. Look below, taken from http://www.calmis.cahwnet.gov/file/occguide/TILESET.HTM ENTRANCE REQUIREMENTS AND TRAINING Tile Setters usually begin as helpers until they enter an apprenticeship program. After completing a three or four-year program that includes both practical and classroom education, the apprentice can advance to full journey-level status. An apprenticeship program usually consists of on-the-job training and related classroom instruction in blueprint reading, layout, and basic mathematics. To become an apprentice, a candidate must be at least 18 years old and be physically able to perform the work of the trade. Good vision, color perception, and manual dexterity are important assets. Though there are no formal educational requirements, employers usually prefer high school graduates. Job applicants should know basic math and be able to read and write. Helpful high school classes include shop and mechanical drawing. The ability to read blueprints is also a desirable skill. In areas where there are no union apprenticeship programs, many Tile Setters acquire skills informally by working as helpers to experienced workers. So, as you can see, you, again, don't have a damned clue what you are talking about. I never disputed the fact that they had a 3 year apprenticeship, only that the trade is certainly not one requiring 3 years of training as tile setting is not a skilled trade imo. Try reading for content next time and stick to the issue 'Bassy. Asslicker ought to read his own posts...... "In areas where there are no union apprenticeship programs, many Tile Setters acquire skills informally by working as helpers to experienced workers." Pretty much sums up your point that there is no NEED for an apprenticeship program. ONce again, asslicker shows why he retains the crown as "King of the NG idiots" What to **** do you think that "working as helpers to experienced workers" is, anyway???? Do you argue with people just for the sake of arguing with them? He's to dumb to realize when he has defeated his own arguement. That boy continues to prove he is dumber than a tree stump. Why don't you answer the question, then, Fritz? Do you consider working as helpers to experienced workers as apprenticeship or not? If not, why? Jeez, it's no wonder your wife ran you off. |
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"basskisser" atl_man2@a href="http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=1&k=yahoo%20com" onmouseover="window.status='yahoo.com'; return true;" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;"yahoo.com/a wrote in message om... "P.Fritz" wrote in message ... "JimH" wrote in message ... "basskisser" atl_man2@a href="http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=1&k=yahoo%20com" onmouseover="window.status='yahoo.com'; return true;" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;"yahoo.com/a wrote in message om... "JimH" wrote in message ... "Harry Krause" piedtypecase@a href="http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=1&k=yahoo%20com" onmouseover="window.status='yahoo.com'; return true;" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;"yahoo.com/a wrote in message ... Doug Kanter wrote: "JimH" wrote in message ... "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... This week, we had about 1000 square feet of the lower level of our house tiled in a href="http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=1&k=ceramic%20tile" onmouseover="window.status='a href="http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=1&k=ceramic%20tile" onmouseover="window.status='a href="http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=1&k=ceramic%20tile" onmouseover="window.status='ceramic tile'; return true;" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;"ceramic tile/a'; return true;" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;"ceramic tile/a'; return true;" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;"ceramic tile/a. This is the area that comprises my a href="http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=1&k=home%20office" onmouseover="window.status='a href="http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=1&k=home%20office" onmouseover="window.status='a href="http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=1&k=home%20office" onmouseover="window.status='home office'; return true;" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;"home office/a'; return true;" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;"home office/a'; return true;" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;"home office/a. *Lower level* of your house? So you had your basement tiled. Why not just say so. And it sounds like your first quote was off base. I would guess even a non union company would have beat it. What is so special about laying tile that you need to be union? Just my guess: How about the presence of formal training (apprenticeship) arrangements? That means something. Otherwise, you could end up hiring someone who, after discovering they were pretty good at it after doing their own home, decided to open a business. Union tilesetters undergo a formal, three-year apprenticeship program. A lot of that training has to do with the safe handling of various chemicals that are rarely, if ever, used during tilesetting or maintenance in single-family homes. Pure bull****. Very few union tilesetters work single-family residential, although I have foudn the crews I've hired in my minor-league homebuilding ventures to be more skilled and efficient than the non-union crews. It is kind of humorous that Hertvik is commenting here...if you saw a photo of his house, you'd conclude that no one with a sense of design, taste or construction skill was involved...but, hey, taste is subjective,eh? We have a 4,000 square foot house constructed in 1992. If you have a picture to post please do. I have no idea how you would have obtained it, but as you have been stalking me recently I guess nothing is beyond belief with you. Tile setting is not difficult. No need for a 3 year apprenticeship program unless one is mentally challenged. As usual, you are wrong. Dead wrong. Look below, taken from http://www.calmis.cahwnet.gov/file/occguide/TILESET.HTM ENTRANCE REQUIREMENTS AND TRAINING Tile Setters usually begin as helpers until they enter an apprenticeship program. After completing a three or four-year program that includes both practical and classroom education, the apprentice can advance to full journey-level status. An apprenticeship program usually consists of on-the-job training and related classroom instruction in blueprint reading, layout, and basic mathematics. To become an apprentice, a candidate must be at least 18 years old and be physically able to perform the work of the trade. Good vision, color perception, and manual dexterity are important assets. Though there are no formal educational requirements, employers usually prefer high school graduates. Job applicants should know basic math and be able to read and write. Helpful high school classes include shop and mechanical drawing. The ability to read blueprints is also a desirable skill. In areas where there are no union apprenticeship programs, many Tile Setters acquire skills informally by working as helpers to experienced workers. So, as you can see, you, again, don't have a damned clue what you are talking about. I never disputed the fact that they had a 3 year apprenticeship, only that the trade is certainly not one requiring 3 years of training as tile setting is not a skilled trade imo. Try reading for content next time and stick to the issue 'Bassy. Asslicker ought to read his own posts...... "In areas where there are no union apprenticeship programs, many Tile Setters acquire skills informally by working as helpers to experienced workers." Pretty much sums up your point that there is no NEED for an apprenticeship program. ONce again, asslicker shows why he retains the crown as "King of the NG idiots" What to **** do you think that "working as helpers to experienced workers" is, anyway???? Do you argue with people just for the sake of arguing with them? Care to answer the question? YOU are the one arguing. I asked a question. |
"basskisser" wrote in message m... "JimH" wrote in message ... "basskisser" atl_man2@a href="http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=1&k=yahoo%20com" onmouseover="window.status='yahoo.com'; return true;" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;"yahoo.com/a wrote in message om... "P.Fritz" wrote in message ... "JimH" wrote in message ... "basskisser" atl_man2@a href="http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=1&k=yahoo%20com" onmouseover="window.status='yahoo.com'; return true;" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;"yahoo.com/a wrote in message om... "JimH" wrote in message ... "Harry Krause" piedtypecase@a href="http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=1&k=yahoo%20com" onmouseover="window.status='yahoo.com'; return true;" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;"yahoo.com/a wrote in message ... Doug Kanter wrote: "JimH" wrote in message ... "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... This week, we had about 1000 square feet of the lower level of our house tiled in a href="http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=1&k=ceramic%20tile" onmouseover="window.status='a href="http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=1&k=ceramic%20tile" onmouseover="window.status='a href="http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=1&k=ceramic%20tile" onmouseover="window.status='ceramic tile'; return true;" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;"ceramic tile/a'; return true;" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;"ceramic tile/a'; return true;" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;"ceramic tile/a. This is the area that comprises my a href="http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=1&k=home%20office" onmouseover="window.status='a href="http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=1&k=home%20office" onmouseover="window.status='a href="http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=1&k=home%20office" onmouseover="window.status='home office'; return true;" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;"home office/a'; return true;" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;"home office/a'; return true;" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;"home office/a. *Lower level* of your house? So you had your basement tiled. Why not just say so. And it sounds like your first quote was off base. I would guess even a non union company would have beat it. What is so special about laying tile that you need to be union? Just my guess: How about the presence of formal training (apprenticeship) arrangements? That means something. Otherwise, you could end up hiring someone who, after discovering they were pretty good at it after doing their own home, decided to open a business. Union tilesetters undergo a formal, three-year apprenticeship program. A lot of that training has to do with the safe handling of various chemicals that are rarely, if ever, used during tilesetting or maintenance in single-family homes. Pure bull****. Very few union tilesetters work single-family residential, although I have foudn the crews I've hired in my minor-league homebuilding ventures to be more skilled and efficient than the non-union crews. It is kind of humorous that Hertvik is commenting here...if you saw a photo of his house, you'd conclude that no one with a sense of design, taste or construction skill was involved...but, hey, taste is subjective,eh? We have a 4,000 square foot house constructed in 1992. If you have a picture to post please do. I have no idea how you would have obtained it, but as you have been stalking me recently I guess nothing is beyond belief with you. Tile setting is not difficult. No need for a 3 year apprenticeship program unless one is mentally challenged. As usual, you are wrong. Dead wrong. Look below, taken from http://www.calmis.cahwnet.gov/file/occguide/TILESET.HTM ENTRANCE REQUIREMENTS AND TRAINING Tile Setters usually begin as helpers until they enter an apprenticeship program. After completing a three or four-year program that includes both practical and classroom education, the apprentice can advance to full journey-level status. An apprenticeship program usually consists of on-the-job training and related classroom instruction in blueprint reading, layout, and basic mathematics. To become an apprentice, a candidate must be at least 18 years old and be physically able to perform the work of the trade. Good vision, color perception, and manual dexterity are important assets. Though there are no formal educational requirements, employers usually prefer high school graduates. Job applicants should know basic math and be able to read and write. Helpful high school classes include shop and mechanical drawing. The ability to read blueprints is also a desirable skill. In areas where there are no union apprenticeship programs, many Tile Setters acquire skills informally by working as helpers to experienced workers. So, as you can see, you, again, don't have a damned clue what you are talking about. I never disputed the fact that they had a 3 year apprenticeship, only that the trade is certainly not one requiring 3 years of training as tile setting is not a skilled trade imo. Try reading for content next time and stick to the issue 'Bassy. Asslicker ought to read his own posts...... "In areas where there are no union apprenticeship programs, many Tile Setters acquire skills informally by working as helpers to experienced workers." Pretty much sums up your point that there is no NEED for an apprenticeship program. ONce again, asslicker shows why he retains the crown as "King of the NG idiots" What to **** do you think that "working as helpers to experienced workers" is, anyway???? Do you argue with people just for the sake of arguing with them? Care to answer the question? YOU are the one arguing. I asked a question. LOL! |
"JimH" wrote in message ... "basskisser" wrote in message m... "JimH" wrote in message ... "basskisser" atl_man2@a href="http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=1&k=yahoo%20com" onmouseover="window.status='yahoo.com'; return true;" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;"yahoo.com/a wrote in message om... "P.Fritz" wrote in message ... "JimH" wrote in message ... "basskisser" atl_man2@a href="http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=1&k=yahoo%20com" onmouseover="window.status='yahoo.com'; return true;" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;"yahoo.com/a wrote in message om... "JimH" wrote in message ... "Harry Krause" piedtypecase@a href="http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=1&k=yahoo%20com" onmouseover="window.status='yahoo.com'; return true;" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;"yahoo.com/a wrote in message ... Doug Kanter wrote: "JimH" wrote in message ... "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... This week, we had about 1000 square feet of the lower level of our house tiled in a href="http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=1&k=ceramic%20tile" onmouseover="window.status='a href="http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=1&k=ceramic%20tile" onmouseover="window.status='a href="http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=1&k=ceramic%20tile" onmouseover="window.status='ceramic tile'; return true;" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;"ceramic tile/a'; return true;" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;"ceramic tile/a'; return true;" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;"ceramic tile/a. This is the area that comprises my a href="http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=1&k=home%20office" onmouseover="window.status='a href="http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=1&k=home%20office" onmouseover="window.status='a href="http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=1&k=home%20office" onmouseover="window.status='home office'; return true;" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;"home office/a'; return true;" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;"home office/a'; return true;" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;"home office/a. *Lower level* of your house? So you had your basement tiled. Why not just say so. And it sounds like your first quote was off base. I would guess even a non union company would have beat it. What is so special about laying tile that you need to be union? Just my guess: How about the presence of formal training (apprenticeship) arrangements? That means something. Otherwise, you could end up hiring someone who, after discovering they were pretty good at it after doing their own home, decided to open a business. Union tilesetters undergo a formal, three-year apprenticeship program. A lot of that training has to do with the safe handling of various chemicals that are rarely, if ever, used during tilesetting or maintenance in single-family homes. Pure bull****. Very few union tilesetters work single-family residential, although I have foudn the crews I've hired in my minor-league homebuilding ventures to be more skilled and efficient than the non-union crews. It is kind of humorous that Hertvik is commenting here...if you saw a photo of his house, you'd conclude that no one with a sense of design, taste or construction skill was involved...but, hey, taste is subjective,eh? We have a 4,000 square foot house constructed in 1992. If you have a picture to post please do. I have no idea how you would have obtained it, but as you have been stalking me recently I guess nothing is beyond belief with you. Tile setting is not difficult. No need for a 3 year apprenticeship program unless one is mentally challenged. As usual, you are wrong. Dead wrong. Look below, taken from http://www.calmis.cahwnet.gov/file/occguide/TILESET.HTM ENTRANCE REQUIREMENTS AND TRAINING Tile Setters usually begin as helpers until they enter an apprenticeship program. After completing a three or four-year program that includes both practical and classroom education, the apprentice can advance to full journey-level status. An apprenticeship program usually consists of on-the-job training and related classroom instruction in blueprint reading, layout, and basic mathematics. To become an apprentice, a candidate must be at least 18 years old and be physically able to perform the work of the trade. Good vision, color perception, and manual dexterity are important assets. Though there are no formal educational requirements, employers usually prefer high school graduates. Job applicants should know basic math and be able to read and write. Helpful high school classes include shop and mechanical drawing. The ability to read blueprints is also a desirable skill. In areas where there are no union apprenticeship programs, many Tile Setters acquire skills informally by working as helpers to experienced workers. So, as you can see, you, again, don't have a damned clue what you are talking about. I never disputed the fact that they had a 3 year apprenticeship, only that the trade is certainly not one requiring 3 years of training as tile setting is not a skilled trade imo. Try reading for content next time and stick to the issue 'Bassy. Asslicker ought to read his own posts...... "In areas where there are no union apprenticeship programs, many Tile Setters acquire skills informally by working as helpers to experienced workers." Pretty much sums up your point that there is no NEED for an apprenticeship program. ONce again, asslicker shows why he retains the crown as "King of the NG idiots" What to **** do you think that "working as helpers to experienced workers" is, anyway???? Do you argue with people just for the sake of arguing with them? Care to answer the question? YOU are the one arguing. I asked a question. LOL! What a mar00n.............somebody sell that tree stump a clue. |
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