A study conducted by the Washington State Department of Licensing and the
Washington Sea Grant program is periodically released to members of the
Northwest Marine Trade Association.

Some interesting comparison from 3rd qtr 2003 to 3rd qtr 2004:

Dealers in Washington State sold 2,935 new boats July-Sept '04.
This was an increase of 107 units, and the $66mm volume represented a
13% increase. (The largest bulk of this increase was in the 19-26' size
category, with many other categories experiencing substantial percentage
decreases 03 to 04)

Washington State residents bought 794 new boats from out of state dealers. This
was an increase of 18 units, but a 78% increase in dollar volume in this
category. (Somebody bought some expensive boats out of state).

Washington State licensed vessel dealers sold 1,757 used boats during the
period. An increase of 94 units, and an increase of 32% in dollar volume.

Washington State residents purchased 274 used vessels from out of state
sources, a decrease of only 23 units, but a decrease of 65% in dollar volume.

Washington State residents purchased 12,656 used boats from private owners in
Washington State, a decrease 926 units from last year but a decrease of only 4%
in dollar volume.

Washington State residents purchased 2,551 used boats from out of state private
parties, an increase of only 16 units but a 21% decrease in dollar volume.

2 vessels were registered "unknown", with no information about the seller. This
category was down 49 boats from last year, and dollar volume was off 98%.

People moving to Washington State registered 453 "in-migrant" vessels, down 18
units for a year ago and down 67% in dollar volume.

Total units sold 3Q04 were 781 fewer than 3Q03, but dollar volume was up 17%


Types of boats sold:

The greatest number of boats sold were in the outboard category:

157 under 10'
283 11-14'
502 15-18'
297 19-22'
91 23 feet or larger

Next strongest category, numerically, was outdrive boats:

20 under 10'
4 11-14'
404 15-18'
431 19-22'
159 23' or larger

Jet boats, (including PWC):

607 under 10'
66 11-14'
17 15-18'
68 19-22'
8 23' or larger

Inboard boats

177 under 10'
39 11-14'
25 15-18'
199 19-22'
44 23-26'
5 27-30'
15 31-34'
14 35-28'
8 39-42'
6 43-46'
3 47-50'
1 51-54'
3 55-58'
1 59-62'
1 63-66'
1 67-70'
2 over 70'

There were 32 new sailboats sold. All but 10 were under 22-feet.


Looks like a lot of little boats selling, private sellers having a slightly
tougher time unloading used boats, and fewer people stepping up to larger boats
in spite of
record low interest rates, but that's just WA State.

On 14 Oct 2004 06:01:34 GMT, (Gould 0738) wrote:

~~ snippage ~~

Looks like a lot of little boats selling, private sellers having a slightly
tougher time unloading used boats, and fewer people stepping up to larger boats
in spite of record low interest rates, but that's just WA State.

Interesting - thanks for the post.

I was down at my buddy's dealership yesterday and he was telling me
that overall sales (parts/service/boats) is off 30%. Individually,
off 8%, 5% and sales 15/16%.

And it's not going to get better.

Take care.

Tom

"The beatings will stop when morale improves."
E. Teach, 1717

Two new sailboats sold in the entire state of Washington July through Sept over
22 feet???????????????????

Two???????????????

the rest of the figures seem to show nobody but nobody but a tiny handfull of
rich guys are buying anything new or used bigger than a rowboat.

Essencially that means anyone trying to sell a new or used boat between 25 and
45 feet is up **** creek.

A study conducted by the Washington State Department of Licensing and the
Washington Sea Grant program is periodically released to members of the
Northwest Marine Trade Association.

Some interesting comparison from 3rd qtr 2003 to 3rd qtr 2004:

Dealers in Washington State sold 2,935 new boats July-Sept '04.
This was an increase of 107 units, and the $66mm volume represented a
13% increase. (The largest bulk of this increase was in the 19-26' size
category, with many other categories experiencing substantial percentage
decreases 03 to 04)

Washington State residents bought 794 new boats from out of state dealers.
This
was an increase of 18 units, but a 78% increase in dollar volume in this
category. (Somebody bought some expensive boats out of state).

Washington State licensed vessel dealers sold 1,757 used boats during the
period. An increase of 94 units, and an increase of 32% in dollar volume.

Washington State residents purchased 274 used vessels from out of state
sources, a decrease of only 23 units, but a decrease of 65% in dollar volume.

Washington State residents purchased 12,656 used boats from private owners in
Washington State, a decrease 926 units from last year but a decrease of only
4%
in dollar volume.

Washington State residents purchased 2,551 used boats from out of state
private
parties, an increase of only 16 units but a 21% decrease in dollar volume.

2 vessels were registered "unknown", with no information about the seller.
This
category was down 49 boats from last year, and dollar volume was off 98%.

People moving to Washington State registered 453 "in-migrant" vessels, down
18
units for a year ago and down 67% in dollar volume.

Total units sold 3Q04 were 781 fewer than 3Q03, but dollar volume was up 17%


Types of boats sold:

The greatest number of boats sold were in the outboard category:

157 under 10'
283 11-14'
502 15-18'
297 19-22'
91 23 feet or larger

Next strongest category, numerically, was outdrive boats:

20 under 10'
4 11-14'
404 15-18'
431 19-22'
159 23' or larger

Jet boats, (including PWC):

607 under 10'
66 11-14'
17 15-18'
68 19-22'
8 23' or larger

Inboard boats

177 under 10'
39 11-14'
25 15-18'
199 19-22'
44 23-26'
5 27-30'
15 31-34'
14 35-28'
8 39-42'
6 43-46'
3 47-50'
1 51-54'
3 55-58'
1 59-62'
1 63-66'
1 67-70'
2 over 70'

There were 32 new sailboats sold. All but 10 were under 22-feet.


Looks like a lot of little boats selling, private sellers having a slightly
tougher time unloading used boats, and fewer people stepping up to larger
boats
in spite of
record low interest rates, but that's just WA State.

Looks like the economy is turning around.

"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...
A study conducted by the Washington State Department of Licensing and the
Washington Sea Grant program is periodically released to members of the
Northwest Marine Trade Association.

Some interesting comparison from 3rd qtr 2003 to 3rd qtr 2004:

Dealers in Washington State sold 2,935 new boats July-Sept '04.
This was an increase of 107 units, and the $66mm volume represented a
13% increase. (The largest bulk of this increase was in the 19-26' size
category, with many other categories experiencing substantial percentage
decreases 03 to 04)

Washington State residents bought 794 new boats from out of state dealers.
This
was an increase of 18 units, but a 78% increase in dollar volume in this
category. (Somebody bought some expensive boats out of state).

Washington State licensed vessel dealers sold 1,757 used boats during the
period. An increase of 94 units, and an increase of 32% in dollar volume.

Washington State residents purchased 274 used vessels from out of state
sources, a decrease of only 23 units, but a decrease of 65% in dollar
volume.

Washington State residents purchased 12,656 used boats from private owners
in
Washington State, a decrease 926 units from last year but a decrease of
only 4%
in dollar volume.

Washington State residents purchased 2,551 used boats from out of state
private
parties, an increase of only 16 units but a 21% decrease in dollar volume.

2 vessels were registered "unknown", with no information about the seller.
This
category was down 49 boats from last year, and dollar volume was off 98%.

People moving to Washington State registered 453 "in-migrant" vessels,
down 18
units for a year ago and down 67% in dollar volume.

Total units sold 3Q04 were 781 fewer than 3Q03, but dollar volume was up
17%


Types of boats sold:

The greatest number of boats sold were in the outboard category:

157 under 10'
283 11-14'
502 15-18'
297 19-22'
91 23 feet or larger

Next strongest category, numerically, was outdrive boats:

20 under 10'
4 11-14'
404 15-18'
431 19-22'
159 23' or larger

Jet boats, (including PWC):

607 under 10'
66 11-14'
17 15-18'
68 19-22'
8 23' or larger

Inboard boats

177 under 10'
39 11-14'
25 15-18'
199 19-22'
44 23-26'
5 27-30'
15 31-34'
14 35-28'
8 39-42'
6 43-46'
3 47-50'
1 51-54'
3 55-58'
1 59-62'
1 63-66'
1 67-70'
2 over 70'

There were 32 new sailboats sold. All but 10 were under 22-feet.


Looks like a lot of little boats selling, private sellers having a
slightly
tougher time unloading used boats, and fewer people stepping up to larger
boats
in spite of
record low interest rates, but that's just WA State.

Two new sailboats sold in the entire state of Washington July through Sept
over
22 feet???????????????????

Two???????????????

Some of the sailboats get reported in the "inboard" category.

On 14 Oct 2004 15:25:39 GMT, (Gould 0738) wrote:

Looks like the economy is turning around.



Looks like there are more people buying boats, but smaller than before. We're
working, but for less dough. :-(

Percentage change by size category 03 to 04.

Under 10 feet up 0.5%
11-14 feet down 3.7%
15-18' down 2.2%
19-22' up 11%
23-26' up 24.7%
27-30' up 26.8%
31-34' up 47.4%
35-38' down 8.7%
39-42' down 57.1%
43-46' up 200% (only 3 units in 03)
47-50' down 62.5%
51-54' down 50%
55-58' no calc
59-62' down 50%
62' and up no change or no calc

How would I go about getting stats like these for CT?

All the best,

Tom
--------------

"What the hell's the deal with this newsgroup...
is there a computer terminal in the day room of
some looney bin somewhere?"

Bilgeman - circa 2004

How would I go about getting stats like these for CT?

All the best,

Tom

These statistics are based on data collected by the Washington State Department
of Licensing when vessels are registered. A non-profit organization called
Washington Sea Grant chedcks through the applications and compiles the data.

I get the statistics as a member of the local Marine Trade Association. If
there is a similar group in CT, they may have similar statistics available-
whether they would care to disclose them or not (if they have them in the first
place) might be another question.

On 14 Oct 2004 15:56:58 GMT, (Gould 0738) wrote:

How would I go about getting stats like these for CT?

All the best,

Tom

These statistics are based on data collected by the Washington State Department
of Licensing when vessels are registered. A non-profit organization called
Washington Sea Grant chedcks through the applications and compiles the data.

I get the statistics as a member of the local Marine Trade Association. If
there is a similar group in CT, they may have similar statistics available-
whether they would care to disclose them or not (if they have them in the first
place) might be another question.

Thanks.

All the best,

Tom
--------------

"What the hell's the deal with this newsgroup...
is there a computer terminal in the day room of
some looney bin somewhere?"

Bilgeman - circa 2004

Also Sprach JAXAshby :
Two new sailboats sold in the entire state of Washington July through Sept over
22 feet???????????????????

Some of the other numbers also don't make "cents." 20 I/0 boats under
10'? 177 inboard boats under 10'? I'm pretty sure I've ever seen an
under 10' boat with an I/O or inboard.

Dan

--
Never drink coke in a moving elevator. The elevator's motion coupled with
the chemicals in coke produce hallucinations. People tend to change into
lizards and attack without warning, and large bats usually fly in the
window. Additionally, you begin to believe that elevators have windows.

Some of the other numbers also don't make "cents." 20 I/0 boats under
10'? 177 inboard boats under 10'? I'm pretty sure I've ever seen an
under 10' boat with an I/O or inboard.

Dan

Most likely jetskis.