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OT : Poor, Poor Democrats

JohnH wrote:

On Tue, 16 Dec 2003 18:22:43 -0500, Harry Krause wrote:

Joe wrote:

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...

4 year old kid sitting on couch with parent, who's watching the news:
"Mommy, what's a rape room?"

You call that a president?

Would you have had an easier time explaining blow jobs?

Sure. Blow jobs are easy to explain. Not only that, they're fun.
Sex is fun.

Now, explaining a president who lies and misleads the public into a
massive invasion of another country to further his political goals,
*that* is hard to explain.

Harry, who the hell are you to complain about someone's integrity? No quibbling,
no nothing, just a lie. As I said, you have shown yourself to be devoid of
integrity.

John
On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD

As *you* have said? Heheh. Add you and five cans of baked beans together
and what do you have? A lot of gas in an old bag.

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"thunder" wrote in message

LOL, I like that idea. I wonder how it would work with 250,000,000
Presidents.

I don't know, but with a few more Dem candidates, we'll be getting
close.....

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Jack Meholf wrote:

But to be honest with you, no one really cares what you think.

Ah, but krause cares what krause thinks. In fact, he can't think outside
the krause box -- "what's in it for krause?"

-- Charlie

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OT : Poor, Poor Democrats

Harry Krause wrote:
Jack Meholf wrote:

But to be honest with you, no one really cares what you think.

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...

Doug Kanter wrote:

"WaIIy" wrote in message
m...

On Tue, 16 Dec 2003 19:24:57 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

Gimme a break. Your chimp got himself a new word for his speech: Mete

Didn't even bother to pronounce it correctly. :-)

That's President Chimp to you.

Not MY president.

Or mine. To me, he's just plain Dubya Dumfoch, the Pretender.

Sure you do. Virtually all the dickhead Konservatives here do, because
you post over and over and over and over in response. Sometimes I'll put
up a post or two and 15 of you will flip out with responses, one more
ornery than the last. Look at poor NOYB, Wally and a few others...wind
them up and you've set them up for hours of cut and paste, rationalizing
Bush and his lies and trying so desperately to convince anyone of the
rightness of their ways.

Hell, you created a whole new identity here to come after me. As have
several other Konservatrashers.

I don't even read 90% of the posts of you right-wingers. But you sure as
hell read all of mine.

That's because you have trouble reading & that's because despite your
lies, you have no education, sadly seems lots of the left a similarly
handicapped.

So "your" Pres has protected you (& most of the west including us) from
any further attacks, not a one & he's done that by restoring some order
to Afghanistan AND Iraq. You say he shouldn't have done anything after
911 because the left would happily sacrifice thousands more innocent US
citizens rather than stand up be counted.

You & your tribe are cowards; end of story, sad lying little cry babies
who can't make it for real so beg for tax payer handouts & subsidies &
of course make up huge lies to try & pretend your lives have amounted to
anything rather than admit the waste they are.

Thing is they've got saddam!!! woohoo!! now watch the sad little grub
(saddam this time not our resident liar grub, Harry:-)) tell us exactly
why the cowardly self interested french were manipulating the UN against
anyone doing anything in iraq, also don't be surprised if we need to go
sort syria out after this new grub has spilled his empty guts (couldn't
even die like a man typical cowardly Harry type bully!!!)

Give it up Harry the left is buggered beyond belief, we don't even need
Dean from the loony left as the final nail in the electoral coffin.
Getting saddam alive is all that was needed, along with the endless
stream of "news" he'll just happen to spill out as the election gets
closer. Hey maybe bin hiding under another rock will be caught next????
you'll need oxygen!!! Gees louise so will I!!! I mean it!! I'll laugh at
you lefties even more, save that's actually possible!!!!

K

Here's your lies again just for form;-)

Here's some of Harry's lies for you, just to bring back old memories:-)

I'm doing my part to ease unemployment. I'm hiring another writer for my

staff. Will be putting the ad on MONSTER.COM and in the Wash Post.

I need more staff because 2004 is a major election year and business
booked to date indicates we'll be drowning in work. We need to hire a
production coordinator, too. It has very little to do with the state of
the economy, other than using it as reason to defeat Republicrap
candidates.

I'm doing my part to ease unemployment. I'm hiring another writer for my

staff. Will be putting the ad on MONSTER.COM and in the Wash Post.

We have first-class benefits, including a top-of-the-line health
insurance plan, a non-contributory defined-benefit pension plan, a 401k,
and a life insurance policy equal to annual salary. We contribute a
share of profits to the 401k on behalf of the employee. Our employees
pay $4.50 for generic prescriptions and $8.00 for non-generics, but
that's going up next year to $10 and $15. New employees get two weeks
vacation the first year, and that goes to three weeks the third year. In
addition, we have 12 paid holidays and we shut down from noon on
Christmas eve to the day after New Year's Day. We also provide 20 days
of paid sick leave a year. And we have an outside company administering
pre-tax flexible bennies for our employees.
Our fringe benefit package follows the trade union model, except, of
course, for the profit contributions to 401k's. Trade unions are
not-for-profit enterprises.
How do these compare to the bennies at your shop?

Paid? Every year? I call "bull****". With 3 weeks vacation, 12 paid
holidays, and 20 paid sick days that's 47 *paid* days off every year. Are
they hourly employees? For a "small business", that's the road to
bankruptcy.

Boy...and you had me going there for a minute.

Not quite so simple, though you are trying hard to make it so. Our
business is up because we're on the cusp of an election year. Our
business always goes up in a major election year.
You could say we're going to be doing very well in 2004 because Bush is
such a total failure.

The 20 paid sick days aren't part of the "paid" days off unless those
days are used. None of our people abuses sick leave. In fact, no one as
yet has even come close to using 20 sick days in one year. They're there
in case they're needed.

Oh, I forgot. We also provide everyone with LTD.

The company provides an insurance plan that pays 50% of an employe's
salary for Long Term Disability. Employes have the option of purchasing
an additional 16.66%, bringing their total to 66.66%. The basic benefit
maximum is $4,000 per month. With the buy up, the limit is increased to
$10,000 per month.

Here's just some of his prior lies (in his own words pasted);

I sold off nearly $3,000,000 in new motors and boats, depressing
the new boat
industry in southern Connecticut for an entire season. Everything was
sold...every
cotter pin, every quart of oil, 30 days after I started. For near
full-retail, too.

He had just under $1,000,000 on floor plan with a
syndicate of banks led by National Shawmut of Boston. He had been a
solid customer of that back for more than 20 years and they gave him
great rates.

As far as your other complaints, well, almost every president in my memory,
and I *remember* Truman, Eisenhower (who cheated on his wife), Kennedy,
Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan and Bush, lied and participated in
deceit to one degree or another, and on issues far more important than who
was giving them blow jobs.

Good lord. I met *every* president in the damned group except Bush, and I
worked once for his father.

My father used to pray that the north shore of LI Sound would be hit by
a mild hurricane. No
one injured, no on-shore property damaged, but lots of boats sunk.
Preferably early in July.

We had the Hatteras for two years. Last year, out of the cold clear, a
broker approached me with an offer to buy. Our continued Florida
lifestyle was somewhat up in the air, because the two breadwinners
hereabouts were about to be offered long-term but temporary assignments
they could not refuse in the Washington, D.C., area. So, after being
romanced a little, we sold the Hatt for almost precisely what we paid
for it. Not bad, after two full years of use. And I mean full years. So,
we didn't "make" any money off the Hatt, but we didn't lose any, either.
The proceeds were prudently invested.

The PWC was won as
a prize in a raffle.

Never mind that. Why does he have a Bilgeliner in front of his office?
Is it a display of "Boating Don'ts?"
Yeah, when we were in the boat biz, my father always had one or two

"around the back" that he was forced to take in trade. These were sold
as "as is, where is." He made sure the engine would start and run.
Beyond that, it was up to the prospective buyer to decide if he wanted
it. They moved off the lot pretty quickly, partially because my dad's
main store was on a highly trafficked commercial route with lots of
manufacturing and machining and aerospace plants near by. In those days,
workers at these places could fix anything.

Actually, Dipper, I don't think my father ever saw a Bayliner. But he still
called bumpers bumpers.
--

Bayliner wined and dined my father a half dozen times to entice him
into becoming its dealer. His operation was the largest small boat
dealership in its area of New England, and for 30 years, he was the
*exclusive* Evinrude dealer in a densely populated coastal county. He
also handled Mercuries. He never liked Bayliners, and referred to them
as "jerry-built."

From 1947 until he died, he sold more than 500 outboard motors a
year from his stores, accounting for a reasonably high percentage of *all*
outboards sold in his home state for those years.

This is a killer. My father was in the boat business dating back to
right after
the Big War. When he died and I was looking through his warehouse, I found
wrapped in a nuclear fall-out bag (no kidding), a brand-new 1949
Evinrude 8015
50 hp outboard. The motor was a gift to my father from Evinrude for
winning some
outboard stock utility or hydroplane race.

I gave the motor to a friend of my dad's, who worked at the shop as head
mechanic. I don't believe he ever used it and I'm sure it is still
brand-new. I
have no idea who might own it now.

He also built
boats, and I worked on a few, both wood, glass covered wood and
all fiberglass. After he died, however, we sold the biz and I've
just been an occasional boat owner.

Besides, I worked off and on in the
boat business and inherited it when he died. So, as I said, I'm
knee-deep in boat heritage.

Oh,
and I had some friends who died in the service, too, but it wasn't for
what they believed in. They were drafted, shipped to Vietnam and came
back in body bags.

During the war, he turned out experimental brass shell casings
for the
Army and hopped up outboards for the Navy, which wanted to use them on
smaller
landing craft. I had photos at one time of my father with Ole Evinrude
himself.
My mother knew one of Evinrude's wives...she was a minor movie star or
singer...I forgot which. Maybe both.

Have you ever sailed from San Francisco to Hawaii? I have.
Have you ever rounded Cape Horn? I have, twice.
Have you ever transited the Panama Canal? I have.
Have you owned more than 20 boats in your lifetime? I have.
Have you ever sailed large boats competitively? I have.
Have you ever been hundreds of miles from land in a powerboat under your
command? I have.

My father and his chief mechanic once crossed the Atlantic in winter in
22'
boat powered by twin outboards. Yes, it is possible, even the fuel. Got a
"fireboat" welcome in NYC.

Here are some:

Hatteras 43' sportfish
Swan 41' racing/cruising sloop
Morgan 33
O'Day 30
Cruisers, Inc., Mackinac 22
Century Coronado
Bill Luders 16, as sweet a sailboat as ever caught a breeze.
Century 19' wood lapstrake with side wheel steering
Cruisers, Inc. 18' and 16' wood lapstrakes
Wolverines. Molded plywood. Gorgeous. Several. 14,15,17 footers with various
Evinrudes
Lighting class sailboat
Botved Coronet with twin 50 hp Evinrudes. Interesting boat.
Aristocraft (a piece of junk...13', fast, held together with spit)
Alcort Sunfish
Ancarrow Marine Aquiflyer. 22' footer with two Caddy Crusaders.
Guaranteed 60
mph. In the late 1950's.
Skimmar brand skiff
Arkansas Traveler fiberglass bowrider (I think it was a bowrider)
Dyer Dhow
Su-Mark round bilge runabout, fiberglass
Penn Yan runabouts. Wood.
Old Town wood and canvas canoe
Old Town sailing canoe...different than above canoe

Sometime in the early 1960s, I was driving back from Ft. Leonard Wood to
Kansas City in a nice old MGA I owned at the time. About halfway home it
started raining heavily, I turned on the wipers, and EVERY SINGLE
electrical accessory and light in the car flashed on, there was a large
popping sound and it all blew out at once. And the car caught fire. I
pulled over to the side of the road, watched the fire, removed my
license plate and hitched on home. For all I know, that old MGA is still
there.

Sure was a pretty little car.

Puh-lease, Karen. You've not seen nor have I ever posted one example of
my professional writings on building structure and the effects on it of
hurricane-force winds and seismic activity. I haven't done any of these
in at least 10 year, but at the time I was field researching,
photographing and writing these reports, they were quite accurate,
topical and well-received by their intended audiences.

A small fleet of Polar skiffs were purchased by an inshore bait, tackle

and boat rental business on the ICW in NE Florida. These boats were not
used on open waters. Within 90 days, cracks developed in the liners that
also served as the deck over the flotation in the bottom of the hulls. A
guide I know, one whose boats and engines are supplied to him by
manufacturers, also had a Polar skiff go bad on him for the same reasons
-liner and then hull fractures.

Harry has claimed to have a 20 yrs his junior beautiful wife, he even put a fake pic of a beautiful woman on a website once claiming it was his "young bride", he may have a wife, although I doubt it, we don't like nor tolerate misogynists for long.

Needless to say he's made up many "dramatic" over the top stories over the years about this lie to feed his ego & pretend he's the centre of attention, but as with his boat claims & other crap, there's never once been even a shred of independently verifiable material.

After he stalked Madcow in real life, which was most frightening, I do suspect he's very very dangerous & that this "bride" story is his delusional appropriation of his, probably court ordered, treating psychotherapist as "wife" (it seems he was under lock & key for what?? over a year??? a sexual deviant maybe??), have a read of just a small part of his BS & make up your own mind, it's all about free choice:-)

1. She *is* my bride. There are no rules that determine the end of
"bride-hood." If I want to refer to her as my bride, I may.

2. As a professional writer, I know the rules of language and am entitled to
break them in exercise of my license.

3. I doubt many married women would object to their husbands lovingly
referring to them as brides. The connotations are pleasant.

4. She's 20 years younger than I am.

Naw. What happened was that I handled a couple of "political" consulting
jobs funded out of the DC area to help a few candidates and defeat a
couple of ballot issues. Through no fault of mine, we won each of the
races, so some of the deep pockets types based in the DC area think I
actually *know something* about the process. I was offered a contract
that requires my presence in DC quite frequently. My bride also was
offered a job up here that represented a significant professional career
move. So, we're "up here" much of the time and "down there" the rest of
it, except when we're "somewhere else." I've been back to Jax (well,
really south of Jax) five times since coming "up here" late last summer
and my bride just returned from a business trip there.

I swear this is true.

Here's a funny. My bride had to fly out to San Diego Wednesday and
hitched a ride on her company's corporate jet. They landed in Salina,
Kansas, which is due north of Wichita and Skippy's suburb of Derby.

So when she gets to San Diego, I get a call asking, "What the hell did
you do in Kansas...we didn't fly over one significant patch of
water...?"

Harry, you make over 500 posts a week to this group and you don't own
a boat?
And why are you so crabby?
Maybe these two factors are related?

One has to own something to use it? Hmmm. My bride drives off in her car
every day, but she doesn't own it.

I'm not crabby. You asked for advice I gave you some. I questioned your
wanting to take a very small boat out into high seas and suddenly you
turned sour. It's your pot; you are the one stewing in it.

No, it is the boat of a friend. It is a 24' ProLine center console with,
if I recall, a 225 hp Merc on it. It was a dark and stormy day in
January (1997) when we went out, but the sky cleared once we got out to
the Gulf Stream.

Bride and I caught and released:

1 white marlin
12-15 yellowtail snappers, maybe two pounds each. Pretty, pretty fish.
Assorted red snappers
1 amberjack
2 jack crevalle jacks
1 snook
Nondescript sharks

Did you spend a year as a line psychotherapist at a 650-bed state
hospital for forensic patients?
Did you spend a year as senior psychotherapist at a county facility for
substance abusers?
Did you spend two years as chief of therapy at a private, 200-bed
facility for the mentally and emotionally ill, at which approximately
half the patients were trying to beat drugs or alcohol?
Are you currently chief of therapy for a for a multi-practitioner
practice of some 825 patients, about a third of which are seeking help
for substance abuse problems?

Licensed psychotherapist
Screening as to character and background for each degree earned
On-going screening by faculty while in educational system
Interviews and screenings for required years of internships, plus, at the same
time, supervision by a licensed professional.
Close professional and personal supervision by a licensed therapist for two years
of employment before being allowed to apply for licensure
Licensure background check, submission of recommendations by licensed
practitioners
Four hour written examination on state laws
Five hour written examination on diagnosis, procedure and practice

My wife went through this before becoming licensed. Her final internship was as a
psychotherapist at a 600-bed high security state psychiatric hospital where, on a
daily basis, she was exposed to more danger than your average soldier.

My wife worked for a year as psychotherapist in a Florida 600-bed state
mental institution for forensic patients. She saw and treated numerous
sexual deviants who do a bit more than expose themselves. Such "treatment"
is part of being in the mental health professions.

You see, I'm a nautical psychotherapist, and for only $125 an hour,
until their health insurance runs out, I help Bayliner owners overcome their
feelings of boatable inadequacy.

She is a licensed, practicing
psychotherapist and often tells me I am the sanest person she sees each
day. Which can be taken any way one likes.

1. I'm married to a psychotherapist. Live-in therapy, dontcha know? And much of
Freud is passe.

My ex-wife surpassed the anti-Christ at least a decade ago.

They're not actually "free" moments. I go to boat dealers to round-up
Bayliner owners who are trying to find one who will take their own
version of flotsam and jetsam in on trade.

1. The address listed is not a home address. It is an office.

2. I have three phone numbers. The phone number listed is not one of
mine. It has never been one of mine. The phone number *did* belong to an
after-hours message recording hotline my wife maintained for her most
mentally disturbed patients. Some of these troubled souls were
court-ordered referrals. *Every* call to that phone number--every
call--was recorded AND because of the nature of the line, my wife had
the ability to alert the telephone company to trace the phone number of
every incoming call to that line, *even* if the person making the call
tried to block his number.

Why, you might ask? Because when you are dealing with suicidal people,
they'll liable to tell their therapist over the phone that they are
planning to take their life. If the therapist believes the threat is
real, she or he will want to dispatch emergency srvices and perhaps the
police.

In the years my wife has provided this pro bono service, she has never
received a threatening or abusive call from a mentally ill patient or
court-ordered referral. However, after the ranking Flaming Ass of this
newsgroup posted the hotline number in this newsgroup, she received a
number of abusive, foul-mouthed AND life-threatening calls. These were
mostly directed at me but, of course, I never received them BECAUSE
(duh!) the phone is not mine and I've never answered it.
Naturally, my wife alerted the authorities, with whom she works closely
because of her court-referred patients. The authorities are
investigating the callers and have involved both the FBI *and*
authorities in other states, including Florida, Georgia, California and
Texas. Working with the telephone company, the authorities have been
able to trace the origin of virtually every abusive call. And, of
course, they have the tape recordings of the abusive messages. Several
suspects have been identified. I really don't know what the outcome of
all this will be. We haven't had an update in several weeks, nor are
either of us here that interested in the sleazeballs that would make
such calls.

The phone number, of course, is "wired," so when the obnoxious calls came in
from the idiot rec.boaters, the numbers were easy enough to trace. The local
police handled a complaint, the local telco was involved and when it was
discovered the point of origin was out of state, the FBI got involved. At
least one of the idiots was caught and prosecuted. As far as I can tell, he
has not posted here again

So, how much did you get for that wakeboard-ski boat? And are you still
on the philosophical outs with the Church?

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WaIIy wrote:

On Tue, 16 Dec 2003 21:18:41 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

"I think he ought to receive the ultimate penalty...for what he has done to
his people," the president said. "I mean, he is a torturer, a murderer, they
had rape rooms".

Rape rooms.

4 year old kid sitting on couch with parent, who's watching the news:
"Mommy, what's a rape room?"

You call that a president?

'Mommy, what's oral sex?" "Mommy, what's a semen stain?"

So, what were your mommy's answers, Wally?

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WaIIy wrote:

On Tue, 16 Dec 2003 21:05:48 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

"John Gaquin" wrote in message
...

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
news:5oJDb.8966
Not MY president.

Renounce your citizenship?

No, silly. I didn't hire the guy. I disagree with 99% of his policies. I
have no respect for him as a person, and my 14 year old son is a better
communicator. I attach no special symbolism or place of honor to his
position, so the only thing left are the material realities mentioned in the
previous sentence. Since those don't exist for me, Bush is vapor.

I've been reading your political perspective for a while now and I would
agree that you and a 14 year old have much in common.

Wait a minute...you can count to 14, Wally? Since when?

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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message ...

"I think he ought to receive the ultimate penalty...for what he has done to
his people," the president said. "I mean, he is a torturer, a murderer, they
had rape rooms".

Rape rooms.

4 year old kid sitting on couch with parent, who's watching the news:
"Mommy, what's a rape room?"

I would have thought that after all of Clinton's well publicized
sexual escapades with his employees in the workplace, any of which
would have forced anyone with a sense of shame to resign his position,
this area would be well covered ground for most folks.

It is very interesting what some you find "personal business" and
therefore defend, and on the other hand what you find "offensive" and
decry.

Consistency and objectivity are becoming "lost arts" while being
replaced by what I refer to as "mindless partisan zombieism" (aka
Harry Krause, ect, ect).
--
SJM

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"NOYB" wrote in message link.net...
It just dawned on me why conservatives have such a strong liking for George
W. Bush. It's because extreme liberals hate him so much. The enemy of your
enemy is your friend.

Nah, it's because he's a conservative. You guys don't have the
foresight to actually vote for a candidate, you vote for a party.

I realize that I really do *hate* several liberals: Hillary Clinton, Jesse
Jackson, Tom Daschle, Terry McAuliffe, Nancy Pelosi, Diane Feinstein,
Barney Frank, Anne Lewis, Paul Begala, Al Gore, Charlie Rangel...and a
handful of others that I can't even think of right now.

Of course you do, your a conservative. You hate anything and
everything that doesn't doesn't goose step to the republican party.

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"WaIIy" wrote in message
...

No, silly. I didn't hire the guy. I disagree with 99% of his policies. I
have no respect for him as a person, and my 14 year old son is a better
communicator. I attach no special symbolism or place of honor to his
position, so the only thing left are the material realities mentioned in
the
previous sentence. Since those don't exist for me, Bush is vapor.

I've been reading your political perspective for a while now and I would
agree that you and a 14 year old have much in common.

"Duh...drool...me too. Me think that too. Whatever he said."
-Wally

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"Joe" wrote in message ...
"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...

4 year old kid sitting on couch with parent, who's watching the news:
"Mommy, what's a rape room?"

You call that a president?

Would you have had an easier time explaining blow jobs?

Sure. Oral sex between two consenting adults is a whole lot better
than a president that lied us into an unprecedented war. Now, I know,
JoeTechnician, that you'll want to know why it was unprecedented, so
I'll tell you now. We had NEVER went to war against another country
unprovoked, without reason, and without consent of our allies, that
is, until now.

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"Joe" wrote in message
...

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...

4 year old kid sitting on couch with parent, who's watching the news:
"Mommy, what's a rape room?"

You call that a president?

Would you have had an easier time explaining blow jobs?

Kids already live with enough fear. Having to explain rape to a 4 yr old is
unnecessary. Some will disagree, and that would prove my point. It's up to
each parent to decide when to explain what to their kids.

Those who disagree for the sake of conversation will recall that they
probably believe in the concept of slapping a PG-13 or R rating on some
movies so they have some clue that the movies might contain something they
want to check first, before showing them to a toddler.

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"JohnH" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 16 Dec 2003 23:06:16 GMT, "Joe" wrote:

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...

4 year old kid sitting on couch with parent, who's watching the news:
"Mommy, what's a rape room?"

You call that a president?

Would you have had an easier time explaining blow jobs?

Eeeewwww! That was cutting!

Just one detail: Clinton didn't stand in front of TV cameras and discuss
"blowjobs" using terms that could make some parents suddenly grab the remote
control to kill the TV.

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"Scott McFadden" wrote in message
om...
"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...

"I think he ought to receive the ultimate penalty...for what he has done
to
his people," the president said. "I mean, he is a torturer, a murderer,
they
had rape rooms".

Rape rooms.

4 year old kid sitting on couch with parent, who's watching the news:
"Mommy, what's a rape room?"

I would have thought that after all of Clinton's well publicized
sexual escapades with his employees in the workplace, any of which
would have forced anyone with a sense of shame to resign his position,
this area would be well covered ground for most folks.

It is very interesting what some you find "personal business" and
therefore defend, and on the other hand what you find "offensive" and
decry.

Consistency and objectivity are becoming "lost arts" while being
replaced by what I refer to as "mindless partisan zombieism" (aka
Harry Krause, ect, ect).

You're right, Scott. Person #1 did something wrong, so it's OK for person #2
to do the same. How could I have missed this? Thank you for pointing it out.

By the way, how would you feel if a video rental store intentionally labeled
R-rated movies with "all audiences labels", and your young kids saw things
you didn't want them to see, while you were grabbing some popcorn in the
kitchen?

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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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Gimme a break. Your chimp got himself a new word for his speech: Mete

Didn't even bother to pronounce it correctly. :-)

I don't listen to Bush or watch him, because his slaughter of the
language is too painful for my ears. I do read the transcripts, though.

How did he mispronounced mete?

With a short E, like bet. Sigh..........

He also pronounces "heinous" to rhyme with "penis".

Yale.

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"WaIIy" wrote in message
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On Tue, 16 Dec 2003 18:30:14 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

Or mine. To me, he's just plain Dubya Dumfoch, the Pretender.

Sure you do. Virtually all the dickhead Konservatives here do, because

Has anyone noticed how foulmouthed Krause has been the past year.

The guy is losing it.

President Dean LOL !

"Duh...drool...me too. Me think that too. Whatever he said."
-Wally

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"basskisser" wrote in message
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"Joe" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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4 year old kid sitting on couch with parent, who's watching the news:
"Mommy, what's a rape room?"

You call that a president?

Would you have had an easier time explaining blow jobs?

Sure. Oral sex between two consenting adults is a whole lot better
than a president that lied us into an unprecedented war. Now, I know,
JoeTechnician, that you'll want to know why it was unprecedented, so
I'll tell you now. We had NEVER went to war against another country
unprovoked, without reason, and without consent of our allies, that
is, until now.

cough cough vietnam cough cough

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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message ...

"Scott McFadden" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"I think he ought to receive the ultimate penalty...for what he has done
to
his people," the president said. "I mean, he is a torturer, a murderer,
they
had rape rooms".

Rape rooms.

4 year old kid sitting on couch with parent, who's watching the news:
"Mommy, what's a rape room?"

I would have thought that after all of Clinton's well publicized
sexual escapades with his employees in the workplace, any of which
would have forced anyone with a sense of shame to resign his position,
this area would be well covered ground for most folks.

It is very interesting what some you find "personal business" and
therefore defend, and on the other hand what you find "offensive" and
decry.

Consistency and objectivity are becoming "lost arts" while being
replaced by what I refer to as "mindless partisan zombieism" (aka
Harry Krause, ect, ect).

You're right, Scott. Person #1 did something wrong, so it's OK for person #2
to do the same. How could I have missed this? Thank you for pointing it out.

Apples and oranges, is a vast understatement.

Doug, do you permit your kids to watch the local news on TV?

If so, what does your local TV station call "rape"?

"A women was forced to submit to sexual intercourse by a large young
male behind Joe's Bar at 2:00am last night. Be on the lookout
for......".

Give me a break.

By the way, how would you feel if a video rental store intentionally labeled
R-rated movies with "all audiences labels", and your young kids saw things
you didn't want them to see, while you were grabbing some popcorn in the
kitchen?

Do you consider your local TV news broadcasts to be "R" rated?
--
SJM

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On Wed, 17 Dec 2003 16:03:14 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

"basskisser" wrote in message
I'll tell you now. We had NEVER went to war against another country
unprovoked, without reason, and without consent of our allies, that
is, until now.

cough cough vietnam cough cough

LOL. He's one of yours.

Steve

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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message ...
"basskisser" wrote in message
om...
"Joe" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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4 year old kid sitting on couch with parent, who's watching the news:
"Mommy, what's a rape room?"

You call that a president?

Would you have had an easier time explaining blow jobs?

Sure. Oral sex between two consenting adults is a whole lot better
than a president that lied us into an unprecedented war. Now, I know,
JoeTechnician, that you'll want to know why it was unprecedented, so
I'll tell you now. We had NEVER went to war against another country
unprovoked, without reason, and without consent of our allies, that
is, until now.

cough cough vietnam cough cough

I didn't include Vietnam, because that was a much more complex
scenario than Iraq. We had allies that agreed with us, and Iraq? Well,
we were just plain lied to, that is all.

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"basskisser" wrote in message
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We had VERY FEW allies in Iraq, with most of the world either not
wanting to get involved, or showing total disdain for us. Our allies
to countries ratio for Vietnam was MUCH higher.

The president-head says we have either 60 or 80 something in the
"coalition". (It's hard to remember which number he used, since neither one
is connected to reality). I think he means "countries which, in return for
our not cutting off foreign aid, have agreed to not criticize us openly".

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"JohnH" wrote in message
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In Vietnam??? Which allies? :-)

There were Australians there. I had a great time at one of their compounds
over
a weekend. Their post exchange (a retail store) had the best camera
selection in
all of Vietnam. And they drank good beer!

John
On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD

Yes, the Australians. They've also quietly backed away from the domino
theory, hoping nobody noticed the snake oil they bought.

Regardless, I guess that's a "coalition", just like now. :-)

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"Steven Shelikoff" wrote in message
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All I'm doing is asking you to back up your statement by prooving that
we had allies in agreement with us over VietNam and prooving that we
don't have any allies in agreement with us over Iraq. If you can't do
that, fine. Just say so.

Steve

I think what he might mean is that in both conflicts, the allies were
insignificant compared to the sacrifices WE made, Steve.

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"Steven Shelikoff" wrote in message
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In any case, you have yet to proove that we have no allies in agreement
with us over Iraq. That's the only way you could possibly be right when
you said that the simple difference between VietNam and Iraq is that in
VietNam we had allies that were in agreement with us. If you can't
proove that we have no allies in agreement with us over Iraq, then
you're just making up crap as usual.

Steve

Perhaps he's reacting subconsciously to Bush's repeated claims that we have
60 or 80 in the coalition. Don't ask for a specific number - it's close to
one of the numbers I mentioned and it's not important. In terms of large
material contribution (relative to the size of each contributor's POTENTIAL
contribution), the actual number is closer to 2. If you include any country
that's sent more than a dozen humans, it's what....maybe a dozen?

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"Backyard Renegade" wrote in message
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Twenty-eight troops?

That's an 8th grade classroom.

A very small Boy Scout Troop.

And properly trained by the United States, that scout troop could take
out a small army. I would like to know what these guys are really
doing, not just what you "think" or what you say most of them are
doing... Anything you say is to forward an agenda, no concern for
facts at all...

It really doesn't matter WHAT they're doing. Bush has stated that we have a
coalition of either 60 or 80 countries. Just for the sake of argument, tell
us what YOU PERSONALLY think a country has to do in order to be included in
"the coalition".

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On Fri, 19 Dec 2003 18:10:04 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

"Steven Shelikoff" wrote in message
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All I'm doing is asking you to back up your statement by prooving that
we had allies in agreement with us over VietNam and prooving that we
don't have any allies in agreement with us over Iraq. If you can't do
that, fine. Just say so.

I think what he might mean is that in both conflicts, the allies were
insignificant compared to the sacrifices WE made, Steve.

Um, no I don't think that's what he meant. Because if so, that would
have been a way they were both similar. He was trying to say they were
*different* because in one case "we at least had allies that were in
agreement with us."

I was just curious as to which one he thought we had allies that were in
agreement with us and which one he didn't think we had any allies in
agreement with us.

Steve

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On Fri, 19 Dec 2003 18:12:55 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

"Steven Shelikoff" wrote in message
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In any case, you have yet to proove that we have no allies in agreement
with us over Iraq. That's the only way you could possibly be right when
you said that the simple difference between VietNam and Iraq is that in
VietNam we had allies that were in agreement with us. If you can't
proove that we have no allies in agreement with us over Iraq, then
you're just making up crap as usual.

Steve

Perhaps he's reacting subconsciously to Bush's repeated claims that we have
60 or 80 in the coalition. Don't ask for a specific number - it's close to
one of the numbers I mentioned and it's not important. In terms of large
material contribution (relative to the size of each contributor's POTENTIAL
contribution), the actual number is closer to 2. If you include any country
that's sent more than a dozen humans, it's what....maybe a dozen?

A dozen is quite a few times more than none. What he's reacting to is
the fact that he was wrong (yet again) and can't bring himself to admit
he misspoke. And instead of simply saying he misspoke, he'll continue
to drag himself down the rabbit hole of stupidity trying to defend a
statement that's obviously false. That's his MO.

Steve

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"Steven Shelikoff" wrote in message
...

Perhaps he's reacting subconsciously to Bush's repeated claims that we
have
60 or 80 in the coalition. Don't ask for a specific number - it's close
to
one of the numbers I mentioned and it's not important. In terms of large
material contribution (relative to the size of each contributor's
POTENTIAL
contribution), the actual number is closer to 2. If you include any
country
that's sent more than a dozen humans, it's what....maybe a dozen?

A dozen is quite a few times more than none. What he's reacting to is
the fact that he was wrong (yet again) and can't bring himself to admit
he misspoke. And instead of simply saying he misspoke, he'll continue
to drag himself down the rabbit hole of stupidity trying to defend a
statement that's obviously false. That's his MO.

Steve

Well, I guess I'm interpreting things my own way: In terms of a military
result, it probably didn't matter how many were in the coalition. But, the
military result was the easiest part of this mess. The hardest part is still
with us, and it really would've helped if we had more than a handful of
helpers. The 50-75 countries who've agreed to just keep quiet are basically
fluff. Meaningless. Not a coalition.