"Gould 0738" wrote in message
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And Kerry said he is going to raise the Gas tax by 50 cents a gallon
immendiately and another 50 cents a gallon in 6 months. That will really
help gas prices and the economy.

Unless you can substantiate that with something stronger than "Sean
Hannity
says........", I call bull****


http://www.johnkerry.com/pressroom/r...2004_0525.html

WOW! How ground-breaking!

"As part of his plan to do this, Kerry said he will invest in new
technologies and alternative fuels, and establish a realistic fuel economy
standard coupled with tax incentives for consumers to buy and manufacturers
to build the efficient vehicles of the future. Specifically, Kerry said he
will offer $10 billion in new incentives for the American automobile
industry to lead the world in building Advanced Technology Vehicles and
offer consumers a $4,000 tax credit to help them afford the vehicles.

Kerry also said he will help families by managing the strategic petroleum
reserve to protect our security without driving up prices and engaging in
diplomacy to ensure US consumers are not held hostage to instability in the
Middle East. "

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So which part of his plan will lower the price of gas in the immediate
future? And how is his plan different from Bush's?

So which part of his plan will lower the price of gas in the immediate
future? And how is his plan different from Bush's?

Not so fast, NOYB.

Your side of the fence lobbed a claim that
"Kerry wants to increase gas taxes by 50 cents right away, and then another 50
cents later on."

Substantiate that, or admit it's bull****, and then the discussion can move
forward.

"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...
So which part of his plan will lower the price of gas in the immediate
future? And how is his plan different from Bush's?

Not so fast, NOYB.

Your side of the fence lobbed a claim that
"Kerry wants to increase gas taxes by 50 cents right away, and then
another 50
cents later on."

Substantiate that, or admit it's bull****, and then the discussion can
move
forward.

Kerry supported Carter's plan to add $0.50/gallon back in 1979.

1994: Kerry Supported Half-Dollar Increase In Gas Tax. (Jill Zuckman,
"Deficit-Watch Group Gives High Marks To 7 N.E. Lawmakers," The Boston
Globe, 3/1/94)

"[Carter] Administration Officials Briefly Floated The Idea Of A
50-Cent-A-Gallon Gasoline Tax ..." (David Espo, "Kennedy Attacks Carter
On OPEC Price Hikes," The Associated Press, 12/20/79)

Sen. Edward Kennedy Said Plan Would Increase Inflation, Hurt Poor. Sen.
Edward Kennedy (D-MA) said the Carter "proposal to slap a
50-cent-a-gallon tax on gasoline ... would cost the average family $200
a year in 1981. 'The American public is already numb from the soaring
cost of energy,' Kennedy said ... 'Yet the Carter administration is on
the verge of proposing a 50-cent-a-gallon tax on gasoline.' ... Kennedy
said such a tax would add 2 percent to 4 percent to inflation, impose an
unfair burden on the poor, discriminate against areas with poor mass
transit systems and fail to achieve a significant savings in gasoline
consumption. ... 'I oppose any plan to impose a 50-cent-a-gallon gas
tax,' Kennedy said in the statement." (David Espo, The Associated Press,
12/8/79)
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So back to my questions:
So which part of his plan will lower the price of gas in the immediate
future? And how is his plan different from Bush's?

So back to my questions:
So which part of his plan will lower the price of gas in the immediate
future? And how is his plan different from Bush's?

I don't think it's realistic to expect either president to dramatically lower
the price of gas in the immediate future. We need long term policies so that we
aren't held hostage by every little feifdom on the planet with an oil well.

As far as "how does the plan differ from Bush"........

http://www.johnkerry.com/issues/energy/compare.html

"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...
So back to my questions:
So which part of his plan will lower the price of gas in the immediate
future? And how is his plan different from Bush's?

I don't think it's realistic to expect either president to dramatically
lower
the price of gas in the immediate future. We need long term policies so
that we
aren't held hostage by every little feifdom on the planet with an oil
well.

As far as "how does the plan differ from Bush"........

http://www.johnkerry.com/issues/energy/compare.html

Working with Oil Producers
Bush (according to Kerry): Broke his promise to force OPEC to "open the
spigots"

Kerry : Bring a renewed American position to work with OPEC to manage supply

How does he plan to do that, hmmmmmm? I thought you guys are the ones who
keep saying that Bush has more influence with the Saudis?

Managing the Strategic Oil Reserve
Bush (according to Kerry): Unnecessarily filling, which takes oil off an
already tight market
Kerry: Manage effectively to protect supply without hurting the economy

" Using the SPR solely for political purposes to lower gasoline prices would
reduce our protection and weaken our position in that war. "--Bush


Increasing Fuel Efficiency
Bush (according to Kerry): Ignores need for increased fuel efficiency
Kerry: Set goals for increased fuel efficiency, rely on sound science

False. Bush sent his energy plan to Congress earlier this year.
The President's energy plan focuses on three top priorities:

1.. Encouraging new production, conservation, and technology like ethanol,
clean coal and hydrogen power;
2.. Modernizing and expanding the electricity grid, and passing mandatory
reliability standards so the system has adequate capacity; and,
3.. Promoting efficiency, raising fuel economy standards, and encouraging
investment in our energy infrastructure.

Weren't you the person who proposed Bush must be on drugs for him to have a
poor showing on the first debate, and then have a respectable showing in the
2nd debate?

Please substantiate that bit of bull****.


"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...
So which part of his plan will lower the price of gas in the immediate
future? And how is his plan different from Bush's?

Not so fast, NOYB.

Your side of the fence lobbed a claim that
"Kerry wants to increase gas taxes by 50 cents right away, and then
another 50
cents later on."

Substantiate that, or admit it's bull****, and then the discussion can
move
forward.

"Jon Smithe" wrote in message
news:g6Aad.226519$D%.78729@attbi_s51...
Weren't you the person who proposed Bush must be on drugs for him to have
a
poor showing on the first debate, and then have a respectable showing in
the
2nd debate?

Please substantiate that bit of bull****.

Remember....if a liebral makes a statement, it must be accepted as
fact....no questions asked..........



"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...
So which part of his plan will lower the price of gas in the immediate
future? And how is his plan different from Bush's?

Not so fast, NOYB.

Your side of the fence lobbed a claim that
"Kerry wants to increase gas taxes by 50 cents right away, and then
another 50
cents later on."

Substantiate that, or admit it's bull****, and then the discussion can
move
forward.

"Jon Smithe" wrote in message
news:g6Aad.226519$D%.78729@attbi_s51...
Weren't you the person who proposed Bush must be on drugs for him to have
a
poor showing on the first debate, and then have a respectable showing in
the
2nd debate?

Please substantiate that bit of bull****.

That may be bull****, but surely, SOMETHING is going on with your president.
Watch this and tell me differently:

http://media.ebaumsworld.com/sovereignty.mov

Weren't you the person who proposed Bush must be on drugs for him to have a
poor showing on the first debate, and then have a respectable showing in the
2nd debate?

Please substantiate that bit of bull****.

Nice Dodge. Your wife drive a Chrysler?

I expressed an opinion, wondering why Bush was so different in the second
debate.

Some right wing reactionary stated as a fact, not an opinion "John Kerry will
put in a 50 cent a gallon gas tax right away and another later on." Should be
easily substantiated by quoting some bit of Kerry's energy proposal. So far,
dead silence from the right and shameful attempts to switch the subject.

If it is your opinion that there was no difference in GWB's performance between
debate 1 and debate 2, fine. You're entitled.

Very nice dodge. I like the way you turned the conversation from you making
a completely unsubstiated defamatory "opinion" to wither or not I saw any
difference between the 1st and 2nd debate. Very good dodge, but not much of
anything else.

In my statement, I stated Bush did a poor job in the first debate and did a
respectable job in the 2nd debate. There are so many reason for a
difference in performance, and drugs would be one of the very last. The
fact that you actually believe drugs is the most likely explanation says
more about you than about Bush.

By the way, have you found once piece of legistlation that Kerry sponsored
that you think is important?


"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...
Weren't you the person who proposed Bush must be on drugs for him to have
a
poor showing on the first debate, and then have a respectable showing in
the
2nd debate?

Please substantiate that bit of bull****.

Nice Dodge. Your wife drive a Chrysler?

I expressed an opinion, wondering why Bush was so different in the second
debate.

Some right wing reactionary stated as a fact, not an opinion "John Kerry
will
put in a 50 cent a gallon gas tax right away and another later on." Should
be
easily substantiated by quoting some bit of Kerry's energy proposal. So
far,
dead silence from the right and shameful attempts to switch the subject.

If it is your opinion that there was no difference in GWB's performance
between
debate 1 and debate 2, fine. You're entitled.