Serious post on Bush's mental health
 

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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As Dr. Carson suggests,
"Consider, in contrast, the present: 'the informal Q&A he has tried to
avoid,'

Bush relishes the informal Q&A, as evidenced by his excellent performance in
the "townhall" format the other night. He becomes quite uncomfortable in
the more formal "speech behind a lecturn" format because he's forced to
stand still for 90 minutes. That'd drive me nuts, too.



'Bush's recent faltering performances,' 'his stalling,
defensive pose when put on the spot,' 'speaking more slowly and less
gracefully.'"

Sorry, but that doesn't describe his second debate at all.

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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NOYB wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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As Dr. Carson suggests,
"Consider, in contrast, the present: 'the informal Q&A he has tried to
avoid,'

Bush relishes the informal Q&A, as evidenced by his excellent
performance in
the "townhall" format the other night. He becomes quite uncomfortable
in
the more formal "speech behind a lecturn" format because he's forced to
stand still for 90 minutes. That'd drive me nuts, too.

Bush's performance was not excellent in the second debate. He was merely
better than he was in the first debate. His body language, "persona" and
delivery were no better than mediocre.

You think Bush's problem might be related to ADHD and Ritalin. There are
some who believe his condition is more serious. It's worth investigating.

We still differ on what the "problem" is, and whether it's really a
"problem" at all.. I, for one, don't think that
pharmacologically-controlled adult ADHD is a problem...even for the
President of the United States.

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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NOYB wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
As Dr. Carson suggests,
"Consider, in contrast, the present: 'the informal Q&A he has tried
to
avoid,'

Bush relishes the informal Q&A, as evidenced by his excellent
performance in
the "townhall" format the other night. He becomes quite uncomfortable
in
the more formal "speech behind a lecturn" format because he's forced
to
stand still for 90 minutes. That'd drive me nuts, too.

Bush's performance was not excellent in the second debate. He was merely
better than he was in the first debate. His body language, "persona" and
delivery were no better than mediocre.

You think Bush's problem might be related to ADHD and Ritalin. There are
some who believe his condition is more serious. It's worth
investigating.

We still differ on what the "problem" i


s, and whether it's really a
"problem" at all.. I, for one, don't think that
pharmacologically-controlled adult ADHD is a problem...even for the
President of the United States.



You have a lot of experience dealing with the emotional problems of
adults suffering from ADHD?

Although I've never been professionally treated for ADHD, I believe I'm one
of 'em.

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"Harry Krause" piedtypecase@a href="http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=1&k=yahoo%20com" onmouseover="window.status='yahoo.com'; return true;" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;"yahoo.com/a wrote in message
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NOYB wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
As Dr. Carson suggests,
"Consider, in contrast, the present: 'the informal Q&A he has tried
to
avoid,'

Bush relishes the informal Q&A, as evidenced by his excellent
performance in
the "townhall" format the other night. He becomes quite uncomfortable
in
the more formal "speech behind a lecturn" format because he's forced
to
stand still for 90 minutes. That'd drive me nuts, too.

Bush's performance was not excellent in the second debate. He was merely
better than he was in the first debate. His body language, "persona" and
delivery were no better than mediocre.

You think Bush's problem might be related to ADHD and Ritalin. There are
some who believe his condition is more serious. It's worth
investigating.

We still differ on what the "problem" i


s, and whether it's really a
"problem" at all.. I, for one, don't think that
pharmacologically-controlled adult ADHD is a problem...even for the
President of the United States.



You have a lot of experience dealing with the emotional problems of
adults suffering from ADHD?

Although I've never been professionally treated for ADHD, I believe I'm one
of 'em.


Hoo, BOY! Why am I not surprised?

"NOYB" wrote in message .net...
"Harry Krause" piedtypecase@a href="http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=1&k=yahoo%20com" onmouseover="window.status='yahoo.com'; return true;" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;"yahoo.com/a wrote in message
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NOYB wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
As Dr. Carson suggests,
"Consider, in contrast, the present: 'the informal Q&A he has tried to
avoid,'

Bush relishes the informal Q&A, as evidenced by his excellent
performance in
the "townhall" format the other night. He becomes quite uncomfortable
in
the more formal "speech behind a lecturn" format because he's forced to
stand still for 90 minutes. That'd drive me nuts, too.

Bush's performance was not excellent in the second debate. He was merely
better than he was in the first debate. His body language, "persona" and
delivery were no better than mediocre.

You think Bush's problem might be related to ADHD and Ritalin. There are
some who believe his condition is more serious. It's worth investigating.

We still differ on what the "problem" is, and whether it's really a
"problem" at all.. I, for one, don't think that
pharmacologically-controlled adult ADHD is a problem...even for the
President of the United States.

Spoken with the narrow mindedness of a lot of doctors. Treat the
symptoms with drugs, rather than treat the cause with one or more of
several options.

"basskisser" wrote in message
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"NOYB" wrote in message
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"Harry Krause" piedtypecase@a
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NOYB wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
As Dr. Carson suggests,
"Consider, in contrast, the present: 'the informal Q&A he has tried
to
avoid,'

Bush relishes the informal Q&A, as evidenced by his excellent
performance in
the "townhall" format the other night. He becomes quite
uncomfortable
in
the more formal "speech behind a lecturn" format because he's forced
to
stand still for 90 minutes. That'd drive me nuts, too.

Bush's performance was not excellent in the second debate. He was
merely
better than he was in the first debate. His body language, "persona"
and
delivery were no better than mediocre.

You think Bush's problem might be related to ADHD and Ritalin. There
are
some who believe his condition is more serious. It's worth
investigating.

We still differ on what the "problem" is, and whether it's really a
"problem" at all.. I, for one, don't think that
pharmacologically-controlled adult ADHD is a problem...even for the
President of the United States.

Spoken with the narrow mindedness of a lot of doctors. Treat the
symptoms with drugs, rather than treat the cause with one or more of
several options.

LOL. Why don't you go ahead and elucidate your remarks a little more on
this topic. What is the "cause" of ADHD? And what modalities of treatment
(other than pharmacological) do you propose?

Bass,
Have you found a new cure for ADHD? How about clinical depression, bipolar
disorder, Tourette's Disorder and Schizophrenia? Some of us thought the
only acceptable treatment for these disorders were to use pharmacology to
correct the chemical imbalance in the brain.

It looks like you are smarter than Harvard Medical School and the NIMH.
Keep up the good work.



"basskisser" wrote in message
om...
We still differ on what the "problem" is, and whether it's really a
"problem" at all.. I, for one, don't think that
pharmacologically-controlled adult ADHD is a problem...even for the
President of the United States.

Spoken with the narrow mindedness of a lot of doctors. Treat the
symptoms with drugs, rather than treat the cause with one or more of
several options.

"Jon Smithe" wrote in message
news:ABfbd.463275$8_6.55783@attbi_s04...
Bass,
Have you found a new cure for ADHD? How about clinical depression,
bipolar
disorder, Tourette's Disorder and Schizophrenia? Some of us thought the
only acceptable treatment for these disorders were to use pharmacology to
correct the chemical imbalance in the brain.

It looks like you are smarter than Harvard Medical School and the NIMH.
Keep up the good work.


Asslicker has chosen not to correct the obvious severe imbalances in his
brain.



"basskisser" wrote in message
om...
We still differ on what the "problem" is, and whether it's really a
"problem" at all.. I, for one, don't think that
pharmacologically-controlled adult ADHD is a problem...even for the
President of the United States.

Spoken with the narrow mindedness of a lot of doctors. Treat the
symptoms with drugs, rather than treat the cause with one or more of
several options.

"Jon Smithe" wrote in message news:ABfbd.463275$8_6.55783@attbi_s04...
Bass,
Have you found a new cure for ADHD? How about clinical depression, bipolar
disorder, Tourette's Disorder and Schizophrenia? Some of us thought the
only acceptable treatment for these disorders were to use pharmacology to
correct the chemical imbalance in the brain.

It looks like you are smarter than Harvard Medical School and the NIMH.
Keep up the good work.


Oh, my god you are stupid!!! Please show where I've every said that
there is a CURE for any of the above. I simply, and correctly stated
that most narrow minded doctors, not all, treat the symptoms, not the
cause. Treatment, and total cure are two different things, idiot.

"P.Fritz" wrote in message ...
"Jon Smithe" wrote in message
news:ABfbd.463275$8_6.55783@attbi_s04...
Bass,
Have you found a new cure for ADHD? How about clinical depression,
bipolar
disorder, Tourette's Disorder and Schizophrenia? Some of us thought the
only acceptable treatment for these disorders were to use pharmacology to
correct the chemical imbalance in the brain.

It looks like you are smarter than Harvard Medical School and the NIMH.
Keep up the good work.


Asslicker has chosen not to correct the obvious severe imbalances in his
brain.

Please show what facts you have that, if you mean me and are doing the
childish name calling thing again, I have "severe impalances in (my)
brain". You are dumb as a post.

"basskisser" wrote in message
om...
"P.Fritz" wrote in message
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"Jon Smithe" wrote in message
news:ABfbd.463275$8_6.55783@attbi_s04...
Bass,
Have you found a new cure for ADHD? How about clinical depression,
bipolar
disorder, Tourette's Disorder and Schizophrenia? Some of us thought
the
only acceptable treatment for these disorders were to use pharmacology
to
correct the chemical imbalance in the brain.

It looks like you are smarter than Harvard Medical School and the NIMH.
Keep up the good work.


Asslicker has chosen not to correct the obvious severe imbalances in his
brain.

Please show what facts you have that, if you mean me and are doing the
childish name calling thing again, I have "severe impalances in (my)
brain".

This last post of your proved that very thing.

OK, how do you treat either the symptoms or the cause without the use of
psychotropic drugs?

PS - The cause of these illnesses is a chemical imbalance in the brain and
the symptoms of the chemical illness is the result of this chemical
imbalance.


"basskisser" wrote in message
om...
"Jon Smithe" wrote in message
news:ABfbd.463275$8_6.55783@attbi_s04...
Bass,
Have you found a new cure for ADHD? How about clinical depression,
bipolar
disorder, Tourette's Disorder and Schizophrenia? Some of us thought the
only acceptable treatment for these disorders were to use pharmacology to
correct the chemical imbalance in the brain.

It looks like you are smarter than Harvard Medical School and the NIMH.
Keep up the good work.


Oh, my god you are stupid!!! Please show where I've every said that
there is a CURE for any of the above. I simply, and correctly stated
that most narrow minded doctors, not all, treat the symptoms, not the
cause. Treatment, and total cure are two different things, idiot.

"JimH" wrote in message
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"basskisser" wrote in message
om...
"P.Fritz" wrote in message
...
"Jon Smithe" wrote in message
news:ABfbd.463275$8_6.55783@attbi_s04...
Bass,
Have you found a new cure for ADHD? How about clinical depression,
bipolar
disorder, Tourette's Disorder and Schizophrenia? Some of us thought
the
only acceptable treatment for these disorders were to use pharmacology
to
correct the chemical imbalance in the brain.

It looks like you are smarter than Harvard Medical School and the
NIMH.
Keep up the good work.


Asslicker has chosen not to correct the obvious severe imbalances in his
brain.

Please show what facts you have that, if you mean me and are doing the
childish name calling thing again, I have "severe impalances in (my)
brain".

This last post of yours proved that very thing.

"yours"

"JimH" wrote in message
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"basskisser" wrote in message
om...
"P.Fritz" wrote in message
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"Jon Smithe" wrote in message
news:ABfbd.463275$8_6.55783@attbi_s04...
Bass,
Have you found a new cure for ADHD? How about clinical depression,
bipolar
disorder, Tourette's Disorder and Schizophrenia? Some of us thought
the
only acceptable treatment for these disorders were to use
pharmacology
to
correct the chemical imbalance in the brain.

It looks like you are smarter than Harvard Medical School and the
NIMH.
Keep up the good work.


Asslicker has chosen not to correct the obvious severe imbalances in
his
brain.

Please show what facts you have that, if you mean me and are doing the
childish name calling thing again, I have "severe impalances in (my)
brain".

This last post of your proved that very thing.

LMAO..............'impalances' sic what idiot..........of course now
asslicker will try to pass it off as a typo.......too bad the 'b' is nowhere
close to the 'p'

"basskisser" wrote in message
om...
"Jon Smithe" wrote in message
news:ABfbd.463275$8_6.55783@attbi_s04...
Bass,
Have you found a new cure for ADHD? How about clinical depression,
bipolar
disorder, Tourette's Disorder and Schizophrenia? Some of us thought the
only acceptable treatment for these disorders were to use pharmacology to
correct the chemical imbalance in the brain.

It looks like you are smarter than Harvard Medical School and the NIMH.
Keep up the good work.


Oh, my god you are stupid!!! Please show where I've every said that
there is a CURE for any of the above. I simply, and correctly stated
that most narrow minded doctors, not all, treat the symptoms, not the
cause. Treatment, and total cure are two different things, idiot.

So what's the cause of ADHD? And what are the preferred non-pharmacological
treatment modalities?

"Jon Smithe" wrote in message
news:lkubd.255884$3l3.104102@attbi_s03...
OK, how do you treat either the symptoms or the cause without the use of
psychotropic drugs?

PS - The cause of these illnesses is a chemical imbalance in the brain and
the symptoms of the chemical illness is the result of this chemical
imbalance.

I'd lik to hear basskisser's response as to what causes the chemical
imbalance...and how he believes it can be treated without medications.

"P.Fritz" wrote in message
Asslicker has chosen not to correct the obvious severe imbalances in his
brain.

What was that you used to say before you were run out of here, and
came back as P.Fritz? Oh, yeah, give your head a shake......hehe!!!!

"Jon Smithe" wrote in message news:lkubd.255884$3l3.104102@attbi_s03...
OK, how do you treat either the symptoms or the cause without the use of
psychotropic drugs?

PS - The cause of these illnesses is a chemical imbalance in the brain and
the symptoms of the chemical illness is the result of this chemical
imbalance.

Many, many tests have shown, without a doubt, that the symptoms of
ADHD can be lessened, or stopped altogether with diet, and behavior
modification. I'd suggest a simple google search. I found a few
thousand websites related to this subject. Here are a few.
http://www.feingold.org/home.html
http://www.newideas.net/adddiet.htm
http://www.adhdhelp.org/diet-adhd.htm
http://www.eklhad.net/adhd.html

As I've stated, there are a few thousand more sites that deal with
ADHD and diet. Now for Tourette's:
http://www.nutritioninstitute.com/To..._Syndrome.html
http://www.tourette-syndrome.com/holistic.htm
http://neuro-www.mgh.harvard.edu/for...genicdiet.html

So, as you see, both respond quite well to dietary changes. You really
should learn to use Google, it's a great research tool. Glad I could
help.

"NOYB" wrote in message ink.net...
"Jon Smithe" wrote in message
news:lkubd.255884$3l3.104102@attbi_s03...
OK, how do you treat either the symptoms or the cause without the use of
psychotropic drugs?

PS - The cause of these illnesses is a chemical imbalance in the brain and
the symptoms of the chemical illness is the result of this chemical
imbalance.

I'd lik to hear basskisser's response as to what causes the chemical
imbalance...and how he believes it can be treated without medications.

Many, many tests have shown, without a doubt, that the symptoms of
ADHD can be lessened, or stopped altogether with diet, and behavior
modification. I'd suggest a simple google search. I found a few
thousand websites related to this subject. Here are a few.
http://www.feingold.org/home.html
http://www.newideas.net/adddiet.htm
http://www.adhdhelp.org/diet-adhd.htm
http://www.eklhad.net/adhd.html

As I've stated, there are a few thousand more sites that deal with
ADHD and diet. Now for Tourette's:
http://www.nutritioninstitute.com/To..._Syndrome.html
http://www.tourette-syndrome.com/holistic.htm
http://neuro-www.mgh.harvard.edu/for...genicdiet.html

"NOYB" wrote in message link.net...
"basskisser" atl_man2@a href="http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=1&k=yahoo%20com" onmouseover="window.status='yahoo.com'; return true;" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;"yahoo.com/a wrote in message
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"Jon Smithe" wrote in message
news:ABfbd.463275$8_6.55783@attbi_s04...
Bass,
Have you found a new cure for ADHD? How about clinical depression,
bipolar
disorder, Tourette's Disorder and Schizophrenia? Some of us thought the
only acceptable treatment for these disorders were to use pharmacology to
correct the chemical imbalance in the brain.

It looks like you are smarter than Harvard Medical School and the NIMH.
Keep up the good work.


Oh, my god you are stupid!!! Please show where I've every said that
there is a CURE for any of the above. I simply, and correctly stated
that most narrow minded doctors, not all, treat the symptoms, not the
cause. Treatment, and total cure are two different things, idiot.

So what's the cause of ADHD? And what are the preferred non-pharmacological
treatment modalities?

diet.

Many, many tests have shown, without a doubt, that the symptoms of
ADHD can be lessened, or stopped altogether with diet, and behavior
modification. I'd suggest a simple google search. I found a few
thousand websites related to this subject. Here are a few.
http://www.feingold.org/home.html
http://www.newideas.net/adddiet.htm
http://www.adhdhelp.org/diet-adhd.htm
http://www.eklhad.net/adhd.html

As I've stated, there are a few thousand more sites that deal with
ADHD and diet. Now for Tourette's:
http://www.nutritioninstitute.com/To..._Syndrome.html
http://www.tourette-syndrome.com/holistic.htm
http://neuro-www.mgh.harvard.edu/for...genicdiet.html

"P.Fritz" wrote in message ...
"JimH" wrote in message
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"basskisser" atl_man2@a href="http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=1&k=yahoo%20com" onmouseover="window.status='yahoo.com'; return true;" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;"yahoo.com/a wrote in message
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"P.Fritz" wrote in message
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"Jon Smithe" wrote in message
news:ABfbd.463275$8_6.55783@attbi_s04...
Bass,
Have you found a new cure for ADHD? How about clinical depression,
bipolar
disorder, Tourette's Disorder and Schizophrenia? Some of us thought
the
only acceptable treatment for these disorders were to use
pharmacology
to
correct the chemical imbalance in the brain.

It looks like you are smarter than Harvard Medical School and the
NIMH.
Keep up the good work.


Asslicker has chosen not to correct the obvious severe imbalances in
his
brain.

Please show what facts you have that, if you mean me and are doing the
childish name calling thing again, I have "severe impalances in (my)
brain".

This last post of your proved that very thing.

LMAO..............'impalances' sic what idiot..........of course now
asslicker will try to pass it off as a typo.......too bad the 'b' is nowhere
close to the 'p'

Fritz, do you have enough brain to debate the subject at hand, or just
act stupid. No wonder your wife ran you off.

Bass,
Did you bother to read the articles and who was making the claims? Do you
have one double blind study conducted by a medical institute to back up
these claims and the percent of improvement and the percent who is improved?

For what it is worth, I believe diet can make a difference, because in
effect you are changing the chemicals in the brain by your diet (you are
what you eat). The real question is can you change it enough to make a
difference in the majority of people who have the disorder.

This reminds me of link for the description of whiskey that proved your
definition was incorrect.

It is getting very hard to discuss anything with you, because it seems your
comprehension skills are lacking. Have you tried to alter your diet?

m...
"Jon Smithe" wrote in message
news:lkubd.255884$3l3.104102@attbi_s03...
OK, how do you treat either the symptoms or the cause without the use of
psychotropic drugs?

PS - The cause of these illnesses is a chemical imbalance in the brain
and
the symptoms of the chemical illness is the result of this chemical
imbalance.

Many, many tests have shown, without a doubt, that the symptoms of
ADHD can be lessened, or stopped altogether with diet, and behavior
modification. I'd suggest a simple google search. I found a few
thousand websites related to this subject. Here are a few.
http://www.feingold.org/home.html
http://www.newideas.net/adddiet.htm
http://www.adhdhelp.org/diet-adhd.htm
http://www.eklhad.net/adhd.html

As I've stated, there are a few thousand more sites that deal with
ADHD and diet. Now for Tourette's:
http://www.nutritioninstitute.com/To..._Syndrome.html
http://www.tourette-syndrome.com/holistic.htm
http://neuro-www.mgh.harvard.edu/for...genicdiet.html

So, as you see, both respond quite well to dietary changes. You really
should learn to use Google, it's a great research tool. Glad I could
help.

NYOB,

If you look at his links, it includes someone posts in a NG forum (and we
know they are always accurate bg ) another one states : : "I am not trained
in medicine, pharmacy, or nutrition, hence I am not qualified to give advice
in any of these areas. What follows is merely a personal account of my son's
condition and the methods we employ to treat it. These methods are not
generally applicable, and may not be appropriate for you or your child. "

The other ones all seem to be selling books or nutritional supplements.

I do believe some children with mild ADD can be treated without medications,
and some are misdiagnosed, but as usual Bass provides links that are useless
in proving his point.


"basskisser" wrote in message
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"NOYB" wrote in message
ink.net...
"Jon Smithe" wrote in message
news:lkubd.255884$3l3.104102@attbi_s03...
OK, how do you treat either the symptoms or the cause without the use
of
psychotropic drugs?

PS - The cause of these illnesses is a chemical imbalance in the brain
and
the symptoms of the chemical illness is the result of this chemical
imbalance.

I'd lik to hear basskisser's response as to what causes the chemical
imbalance...and how he believes it can be treated without medications.

Many, many tests have shown, without a doubt, that the symptoms of
ADHD can be lessened, or stopped altogether with diet, and behavior
modification. I'd suggest a simple google search. I found a few
thousand websites related to this subject. Here are a few.
http://www.feingold.org/home.html
http://www.newideas.net/adddiet.htm
http://www.adhdhelp.org/diet-adhd.htm
http://www.eklhad.net/adhd.html

As I've stated, there are a few thousand more sites that deal with
ADHD and diet. Now for Tourette's:
http://www.nutritioninstitute.com/To..._Syndrome.html
http://www.tourette-syndrome.com/holistic.htm
http://neuro-www.mgh.harvard.edu/for...genicdiet.html

"basskisser" wrote in message
om...

Fritz, do you have enough brain to debate the subject at hand, or just
act stupid. No wonder your wife ran you off.

Bass, shouldn't you follow your own advice.

"Jon Smithe" wrote in message
news:fM8dd.391784$mD.127381@attbi_s02...
Bass,
Did you bother to read the articles and who was making the claims? Do you
have one double blind study conducted by a medical institute to back up
these claims and the percent of improvement and the percent who is
improved?

The fact is that anybody can create a website, and post just about anything
on it. Medical myths run rampant on the internet.



For what it is worth, I believe diet can make a difference, because in
effect you are changing the chemicals in the brain by your diet (you are
what you eat). The real question is can you change it enough to make a
difference in the majority of people who have the disorder.

This reminds me of link for the description of whiskey that proved your
definition was incorrect.

That was a good one......right up there with his union apprentice post.
LOL


It is getting very hard to discuss anything with you, because it seems
your
comprehension skills are lacking. Have you tried to alter your diet?

Lacking? More like non existant



m...
"Jon Smithe" wrote in message
news:lkubd.255884$3l3.104102@attbi_s03...
OK, how do you treat either the symptoms or the cause without the use
of
psychotropic drugs?

PS - The cause of these illnesses is a chemical imbalance in the brain
and
the symptoms of the chemical illness is the result of this chemical
imbalance.

Many, many tests have shown, without a doubt, that the symptoms of
ADHD can be lessened, or stopped altogether with diet, and behavior
modification. I'd suggest a simple google search. I found a few
thousand websites related to this subject. Here are a few.
http://www.feingold.org/home.html
http://www.newideas.net/adddiet.htm
http://www.adhdhelp.org/diet-adhd.htm
http://www.eklhad.net/adhd.html

As I've stated, there are a few thousand more sites that deal with
ADHD and diet. Now for Tourette's:
http://www.nutritioninstitute.com/To..._Syndrome.html
http://www.tourette-syndrome.com/holistic.htm

http://neuro-www.mgh.harvard.edu/for...genicdiet.html

So, as you see, both respond quite well to dietary changes. You really
should learn to use Google, it's a great research tool. Glad I could
help.

"Jon Smithe" wrote in message
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"basskisser" wrote in message
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Fritz, do you have enough brain to debate the subject at hand, or just
act stupid. No wonder your wife ran you off.

Bass, shouldn't you follow your own advice.

Poor asslicker.........stooping to a baseless personal attack to cover his
own shortcomings......quite comical to watch the deparate moron flounce
around ard refusing to 'cow down' to anyone......... LMAO

"basskisser" wrote in message
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"Jon Smithe" wrote in message
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OK, how do you treat either the symptoms or the cause without the use of
psychotropic drugs?

PS - The cause of these illnesses is a chemical imbalance in the brain
and
the symptoms of the chemical illness is the result of this chemical
imbalance.

Many, many tests have shown, without a doubt, that the symptoms of
ADHD can be lessened, or stopped altogether with diet, and behavior
modification. I'd suggest a simple google search. I found a few
thousand websites related to this subject. Here are a few.
http://www.feingold.org/home.html
http://www.newideas.net/adddiet.htm
http://www.adhdhelp.org/diet-adhd.htm
http://www.eklhad.net/adhd.html

As I've stated, there are a few thousand more sites that deal with
ADHD and diet. Now for Tourette's:
http://www.nutritioninstitute.com/To..._Syndrome.html
http://www.tourette-syndrome.com/holistic.htm
http://neuro-www.mgh.harvard.edu/for...genicdiet.html

So, as you see, both respond quite well to dietary changes. You really
should learn to use Google, it's a great research tool. Glad I could
help.

You want to help? Show me a published, peer-reviewed journal article on
Medline about how "diet" will help ADHD.

"basskisser" wrote in message
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"NOYB" wrote in message
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"Jon Smithe" wrote in message
news:lkubd.255884$3l3.104102@attbi_s03...
OK, how do you treat either the symptoms or the cause without the use
of
psychotropic drugs?

PS - The cause of these illnesses is a chemical imbalance in the brain
and
the symptoms of the chemical illness is the result of this chemical
imbalance.

I'd lik to hear basskisser's response as to what causes the chemical
imbalance...and how he believes it can be treated without medications.

Many, many tests have shown, without a doubt, that the symptoms of
ADHD can be lessened, or stopped altogether with diet, and behavior
modification. I'd suggest a simple google search. I found a few
thousand websites related to this subject. Here are a few.
http://www.feingold.org/home.html
http://www.newideas.net/adddiet.htm
http://www.adhdhelp.org/diet-adhd.htm
http://www.eklhad.net/adhd.html

As I've stated, there are a few thousand more sites that deal with
ADHD and diet. Now for Tourette's:
http://www.nutritioninstitute.com/To..._Syndrome.html
http://www.tourette-syndrome.com/holistic.htm
http://neuro-www.mgh.harvard.edu/for...genicdiet.html

LOL. You're obviously too dumb to realize the difference between a
well-researched, peer-reviewed article in a medical journal, and some
nutritionist or PhD's unresearched theory presented as fact on a
fly-by-night website.

I've tried steering him to Medline. Let's see what non-pharmacological
treatment modalities he comes up with.


"Jon Smithe" wrote in message
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NYOB,

If you look at his links, it includes someone posts in a NG forum (and we
know they are always accurate bg ) another one states : : "I am not
trained in medicine, pharmacy, or nutrition, hence I am not qualified to
give advice in any of these areas. What follows is merely a personal
account of my son's condition and the methods we employ to treat it. These
methods are not generally applicable, and may not be appropriate for you
or your child. "

The other ones all seem to be selling books or nutritional supplements.

I do believe some children with mild ADD can be treated without
medications, and some are misdiagnosed, but as usual Bass provides links
that are useless in proving his point.


"basskisser" wrote in message
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"NOYB" wrote in message
ink.net...
"Jon Smithe" wrote in message
news:lkubd.255884$3l3.104102@attbi_s03...
OK, how do you treat either the symptoms or the cause without the use
of
psychotropic drugs?

PS - The cause of these illnesses is a chemical imbalance in the brain
and
the symptoms of the chemical illness is the result of this chemical
imbalance.

I'd lik to hear basskisser's response as to what causes the chemical
imbalance...and how he believes it can be treated without medications.

Many, many tests have shown, without a doubt, that the symptoms of
ADHD can be lessened, or stopped altogether with diet, and behavior
modification. I'd suggest a simple google search. I found a few
thousand websites related to this subject. Here are a few.
http://www.feingold.org/home.html
http://www.newideas.net/adddiet.htm
http://www.adhdhelp.org/diet-adhd.htm
http://www.eklhad.net/adhd.html

As I've stated, there are a few thousand more sites that deal with
ADHD and diet. Now for Tourette's:
http://www.nutritioninstitute.com/To..._Syndrome.html
http://www.tourette-syndrome.com/holistic.htm
http://neuro-www.mgh.harvard.edu/for...genicdiet.html

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"Jon Smithe" wrote in message
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Bass,
Have you found a new cure for ADHD? How about clinical depression,
bipolar
disorder, Tourette's Disorder and Schizophrenia? Some of us thought
the
only acceptable treatment for these disorders were to use pharmacology
to
correct the chemical imbalance in the brain.

It looks like you are smarter than Harvard Medical School and the
NIMH.
Keep up the good work.


Oh, my god you are stupid!!! Please show where I've every said that
there is a CURE for any of the above. I simply, and correctly stated
that most narrow minded doctors, not all, treat the symptoms, not the
cause. Treatment, and total cure are two different things, idiot.

So what's the cause of ADHD? And what are the preferred
non-pharmacological
treatment modalities?

diet.

LOL.




Many, many tests have shown, without a doubt, that the symptoms of
ADHD can be lessened, or stopped altogether with diet, and behavior
modification. I'd suggest a simple google search. I found a few
thousand websites related to this subject. Here are a few.
http://www.feingold.org/home.html
http://www.newideas.net/adddiet.htm
http://www.adhdhelp.org/diet-adhd.htm
http://www.eklhad.net/adhd.html



You really are too dumb to debate.

On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 15:45:13 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:


~~ snippage ``

You want to help? Show me a published, peer-reviewed journal article on
Medline about how "diet" will help ADHD.

I don't believe there is a formal study, but there is some anecdotal
evidence that it could be a major part of a multi-discipline approach.

The real key is behavior modification. We have some friends who
adopted a ADHD child and through careful application of appropriate
discipline, monitoring and strictly controlling a diet (akin to the
Atkins diet in fact) and a lot of face time with parents in a teaching
role, you meet this kid and never know it unless you knew it. :)

There are quite a few support groups out there who favor this approach
rather than drugs and it seems to be working.

However, as to a formal study, I don't believe one exists yet.

On a personal note, speaking for myself, a modification of my diet can
produce some rather strange and interesting results. I can go from
being a cripple to being able to walk the next day just by changing
what I eat. Curiously enough, it happens a lot with processed foods
and I try to stay away from those as much as possible eating fresh or
as nearly fresh as possible.

There is a lot to this food therapy aspect of medicine.

All the best,

Tom
--------------

"What the hell's the deal with this newsgroup...
is there a computer terminal in the day room of
some looney bin somewhere?"

Bilgeman - circa 2004

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 15:45:13 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:


~~ snippage ``

You want to help? Show me a published, peer-reviewed journal article on
Medline about how "diet" will help ADHD.

I don't believe there is a formal study, but there is some anecdotal
evidence that it could be a major part of a multi-discipline approach.

The real key is behavior modification. We have some friends who
adopted a ADHD child and through careful application of appropriate
discipline, monitoring and strictly controlling a diet (akin to the
Atkins diet in fact) and a lot of face time with parents in a teaching
role, you meet this kid and never know it unless you knew it. :)

There are quite a few support groups out there who favor this approach
rather than drugs and it seems to be working.

However, as to a formal study, I don't believe one exists yet.

On a personal note, speaking for myself, a modification of my diet can
produce some rather strange and interesting results. I can go from
being a cripple to being able to walk the next day just by changing
what I eat. Curiously enough, it happens a lot with processed foods
and I try to stay away from those as much as possible eating fresh or
as nearly fresh as possible.

There is a lot to this food therapy aspect of medicine.

I'm a huge believer in the psychosomatic affect (aka--"placebo effect"). If
you and basskisser *believe* that food therapy is helping you, then it's
helping you.

NOYB,
All we need to do is treat the cause and not the symptoms. ; )


"NOYB" wrote in message
ink.net...
I've tried steering him to Medline. Let's see what non-pharmacological
treatment modalities he comes up with.


"Jon Smithe" wrote in message
news:fU8dd.284999$3l3.59411@attbi_s03...
NYOB,

If you look at his links, it includes someone posts in a NG forum (and we
know they are always accurate bg ) another one states : : "I am not
trained in medicine, pharmacy, or nutrition, hence I am not qualified to
give advice in any of these areas. What follows is merely a personal
account of my son's condition and the methods we employ to treat it.
These methods are not generally applicable, and may not be appropriate
for you or your child. "

The other ones all seem to be selling books or nutritional supplements.

I do believe some children with mild ADD can be treated without
medications, and some are misdiagnosed, but as usual Bass provides links
that are useless in proving his point.


"basskisser" wrote in message
om...
"NOYB" wrote in message
ink.net...
"Jon Smithe" wrote in message
news:lkubd.255884$3l3.104102@attbi_s03...
OK, how do you treat either the symptoms or the cause without the use
of
psychotropic drugs?

PS - The cause of these illnesses is a chemical imbalance in the
brain and
the symptoms of the chemical illness is the result of this chemical
imbalance.

I'd lik to hear basskisser's response as to what causes the chemical
imbalance...and how he believes it can be treated without medications.

Many, many tests have shown, without a doubt, that the symptoms of
ADHD can be lessened, or stopped altogether with diet, and behavior
modification. I'd suggest a simple google search. I found a few
thousand websites related to this subject. Here are a few.
http://www.feingold.org/home.html
http://www.newideas.net/adddiet.htm
http://www.adhdhelp.org/diet-adhd.htm
http://www.eklhad.net/adhd.html

As I've stated, there are a few thousand more sites that deal with
ADHD and diet. Now for Tourette's:
http://www.nutritioninstitute.com/To..._Syndrome.html
http://www.tourette-syndrome.com/holistic.htm
http://neuro-www.mgh.harvard.edu/for...genicdiet.html

On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 17:33:39 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:


"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
.. .
On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 15:45:13 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:


~~ snippage ``

You want to help? Show me a published, peer-reviewed journal article on
Medline about how "diet" will help ADHD.

I don't believe there is a formal study, but there is some anecdotal
evidence that it could be a major part of a multi-discipline approach.

The real key is behavior modification. We have some friends who
adopted a ADHD child and through careful application of appropriate
discipline, monitoring and strictly controlling a diet (akin to the
Atkins diet in fact) and a lot of face time with parents in a teaching
role, you meet this kid and never know it unless you knew it. :)

There are quite a few support groups out there who favor this approach
rather than drugs and it seems to be working.

However, as to a formal study, I don't believe one exists yet.

On a personal note, speaking for myself, a modification of my diet can
produce some rather strange and interesting results. I can go from
being a cripple to being able to walk the next day just by changing
what I eat. Curiously enough, it happens a lot with processed foods
and I try to stay away from those as much as possible eating fresh or
as nearly fresh as possible.

There is a lot to this food therapy aspect of medicine.

I'm a huge believer in the psychosomatic affect (aka--"placebo effect"). If
you and basskisser *believe* that food therapy is helping you, then it's
helping you.

How about diabetes - is that psychosomatic? Food allergies are simply
mental problems? Exercise induced food allergies aka peanut allergy?
Reactions to red dye #2 because you take Niaspan are just psychomatic?

Wow - I never knew.

Later,

Tom

"Beware the one legged man in a butt
kicking contest - he is there for a
reason."

Wun Hung Lo - date unknown

The placebo effect can make a difference, but different foods can have an
impact on how people feel. Many people have a negative reaction to MSG.
Wheat can cause a flare up of arthritis. I am sure there are some people
who diet can have a positive effect on how they feel.

But to think diet can be the cure for the majority of people with mental
illness is not realistic. If this was so, the NIMH would be encouraging
this as a form of treatment for all mental illness. Most doctors recommend
diet, exercise, meditation along with meds to improve those with mental
illness. With a balanced life, one can reduce the amount of meds needed,
just as a diabetic who does follows a recommended diet, exercise and reduces
stress can use less medication and control his blood sugar better.

Next thing Bass will be suggesting is those with type 1 diabetes can cure
their illness with diet.




"NOYB" wrote in message
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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in
message ...
On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 15:45:13 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:


~~ snippage ``

You want to help? Show me a published, peer-reviewed journal article on
Medline about how "diet" will help ADHD.

I don't believe there is a formal study, but there is some anecdotal
evidence that it could be a major part of a multi-discipline approach.

The real key is behavior modification. We have some friends who
adopted a ADHD child and through careful application of appropriate
discipline, monitoring and strictly controlling a diet (akin to the
Atkins diet in fact) and a lot of face time with parents in a teaching
role, you meet this kid and never know it unless you knew it. :)

There are quite a few support groups out there who favor this approach
rather than drugs and it seems to be working.

However, as to a formal study, I don't believe one exists yet.

On a personal note, speaking for myself, a modification of my diet can
produce some rather strange and interesting results. I can go from
being a cripple to being able to walk the next day just by changing
what I eat. Curiously enough, it happens a lot with processed foods
and I try to stay away from those as much as possible eating fresh or
as nearly fresh as possible.

There is a lot to this food therapy aspect of medicine.

I'm a huge believer in the psychosomatic affect (aka--"placebo effect").
If you and basskisser *believe* that food therapy is helping you, then
it's helping you.

On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 15:51:22 +0000, NOYB wrote:

I've tried steering him to Medline. Let's see what non-pharmacological
treatment modalities he comes up with.

I wouldn't argue with a Doctor from my limited knowledge base, but would
make the comment that many Doctors do over-medicate, when more
conservative methods such as diet, exercise, etc. are more prudent. I'm
not talking about ADHD, just general medical behavior.

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 17:33:39 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:


"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in
message
. ..
On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 15:45:13 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:


~~ snippage ``

You want to help? Show me a published, peer-reviewed journal article on
Medline about how "diet" will help ADHD.

I don't believe there is a formal study, but there is some anecdotal
evidence that it could be a major part of a multi-discipline approach.

The real key is behavior modification. We have some friends who
adopted a ADHD child and through careful application of appropriate
discipline, monitoring and strictly controlling a diet (akin to the
Atkins diet in fact) and a lot of face time with parents in a teaching
role, you meet this kid and never know it unless you knew it. :)

There are quite a few support groups out there who favor this approach
rather than drugs and it seems to be working.

However, as to a formal study, I don't believe one exists yet.

On a personal note, speaking for myself, a modification of my diet can
produce some rather strange and interesting results. I can go from
being a cripple to being able to walk the next day just by changing
what I eat. Curiously enough, it happens a lot with processed foods
and I try to stay away from those as much as possible eating fresh or
as nearly fresh as possible.

There is a lot to this food therapy aspect of medicine.

I'm a huge believer in the psychosomatic affect (aka--"placebo effect").
If
you and basskisser *believe* that food therapy is helping you, then it's
helping you.

How about diabetes - is that psychosomatic?

Diabetes is one ailment where diet plays a very large role. However, there
*are* correlations between diabetes and a person's psychologic stress
(ie--there's some evidence that they're psychosomatically controlled).

Do a search on Medline. You'll be amazed. Type in "psychosomatic" and
"diabetes".

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...arch&DB=pubmed




Food allergies are simply
mental problems? Exercise induced food allergies aka peanut allergy?
Reactions to red dye #2 because you take Niaspan are just psychomatic?

Allergies are a lot different from saying that you "can go from being a
cripple to being able to walk the next day just from the foods you eat".

"thunder" wrote in message
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On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 15:51:22 +0000, NOYB wrote:

I've tried steering him to Medline. Let's see what non-pharmacological
treatment modalities he comes up with.

I wouldn't argue with a Doctor from my limited knowledge base, but would
make the comment that many Doctors do over-medicate, when more
conservative methods such as diet, exercise, etc. are more prudent. I'm
not talking about ADHD, just general medical behavior.

I agree. From my experience, however, patients are as much to blame. They
can get very demanding, and the over-worked doctor just relents rather than
sit down and explain that an antibiotic won't do a damn thing for a virus.
In the case of ADHD, I wonder how many times parents influence the diagnosis
rather than taking responsibility for the lack of discipline in their
household.

"Jon Smithe" wrote in message news:g3ddd.286000$3l3.257087@attbi_s03...
NOYB,
All we need to do is treat the cause and not the symptoms. ; )

"We"? What medical field are you in, Jon Smithe? Who wouldn't agree
that it would be better to treat the cause, than treat the symptoms?
If NOYB is, indeed a dentist, then he does this all the time. Fixing a
tooth so that it doesn't cause pain, is a great example. Treat the
cause (the tooth), or treat the symptom (the pain).

"NOYB" wrote in message ink.net...
"basskisser" atl_man2@a href="http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=1&k=yahoo%20com" onmouseover="window.status='yahoo.com'; return true;" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;"yahoo.com/a wrote in message
m...
"Jon Smithe" wrote in message
news:lkubd.255884$3l3.104102@attbi_s03...
OK, how do you treat either the symptoms or the cause without the use of
psychotropic drugs?

PS - The cause of these illnesses is a chemical imbalance in the brain
and
the symptoms of the chemical illness is the result of this chemical
imbalance.

Many, many tests have shown, without a doubt, that the symptoms of
ADHD can be lessened, or stopped altogether with diet, and behavior
modification. I'd suggest a simple google search. I found a few
thousand websites related to this subject. Here are a few.
http://www.feingold.org/home.html
http://www.newideas.net/adddiet.htm
http://www.adhdhelp.org/diet-adhd.htm
http://www.eklhad.net/adhd.html

As I've stated, there are a few thousand more sites that deal with
ADHD and diet. Now for Tourette's:
http://www.nutritioninstitute.com/To..._Syndrome.html
http://www.tourette-syndrome.com/holistic.htm
http://neuro-www.mgh.harvard.edu/for...genicdiet.html

So, as you see, both respond quite well to dietary changes. You really
should learn to use Google, it's a great research tool. Glad I could
help.

You want to help? Show me a published, peer-reviewed journal article on
Medline about how "diet" will help ADHD.

Why would it have to be Medline? Is that the only place that you gain
trusted medical knowledge from? If so, you are pretty narrow minded.