Bad indeed. Nimrod was a mighty hunter, among other attributes.

Well I'll be....er.....hornswoggled!!!

I never knew that.

Nimrod the mighty hunter of humans of biblical times became the stupid yo-yo
hunter of modern times in 1955(?) when Daffy Duck (?) taunted Elmer Fudd (?)
calling him "my little Nimrod".

alanxparr asks:

- - in the long-term is there a certification for pilot or navigator that is
worth obtaining for cruising?-

Bilge- There's some down sides to obtaining USCG licensure that not many folks
are acquainted with.

If you've ever had a DUI conviction, you may not be eligible to be licensed
without jumping through a lot of bureaucratic hoops. If you do get a license,
and you subsequently get a DUI, the Coast Guard will likely "ask" you to
"surrender" your license. The National Driver Registry is now open to the
USCG,(Hazelwood's Legacy to the industry).

And, I'm not sure if it applies down at "Six-Pack Level", but upper level
licenses and Mariner's documents have to be renewed every 5 years now, showing
at least one year of seatime in the interval.

You also might have to "dance" to IMO's STCW (Standards of Training for the
Certification of Watchstanders), which has been imposed on us recently.

On the upside, you become a licensed captain. The Coast Guard holds your
license "in esteem". So, say you are involved in a collision with "Cap'n" Joe
Blow, and there are "gray areas" to what happened...it comes down to your word
against his word.
You have an up to date bound logbook, corrected charts with your course track,
waypoints...all that "literate deck-ape" stuff, and your Master's license in
the "stud rack".

Whose insurance company do you s'pose is going to eat the expensive fecal
biscuit?

It's well worth consideration.


Mutiny is a Management Tool
Select Your Tattoo while Sober

jaxashby asserts:

-seriously, if you really want a genuine nav course, go to any small airport
that gives flying lessons and sign for a nav course. you won't learn celestial
nav, because that went the way of the dodo bird in aviation about 60 years
ago,and in seagoing about 20 years ago. Sorta like button hooks and boots.-

Bilge- Izzatso? I'll let the deck officers on my ship know that. ABS is aboard
today, I'm sure they can all use a laugh.

Aren't you the clown who wants to have people thrown in prison if their anchor
drags in a storm and they collide with another craft?

And yet here you are...advising someone to set sail without learning celestial
navigation...so what do they do when the genny ****s the bed and the batteries
short out and no more satellite or LORAN...in the middle of the passage...huh,
bright boy?

Oh, that's right...head...somewhere. And if the fuel runs out, or the winds
die, you can scream for help...The professionals will divert to assist your
sorry ass, if your radio works.

So you can come back in here and post your inane garbage.

You do realize that someone light actually take your dreck as sound advice,
right?

GFY


Mutiny is a Management Tool
Select Your Tattoo while Sober

bilge rat, the electric wire runner, tells us he is at least two decades out of
date on navigation, maybe three decades.

(Bilgeman)
Date: 9/28/2004 12:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

jaxashby asserts:

-seriously, if you really want a genuine nav course, go to any small
airport
that gives flying lessons and sign for a nav course. you won't learn
celestial
nav, because that went the way of the dodo bird in aviation about 60 years
ago,and in seagoing about 20 years ago. Sorta like button hooks and
boots.-

Bilge- Izzatso? I'll let the deck officers on my ship know that. ABS is
aboard
today, I'm sure they can all use a laugh.

Aren't you the clown who wants to have people thrown in prison if their
anchor
drags in a storm and they collide with another craft?

And yet here you are...advising someone to set sail without learning
celestial
navigation...so what do they do when the genny ****s the bed and the
batteries
short out and no more satellite or LORAN...in the middle of the
passage...huh,
bright boy?

Oh, that's right...head...somewhere. And if the fuel runs out, or the winds
die, you can scream for help...The professionals will divert to assist your
sorry ass, if your radio works.

So you can come back in here and post your inane garbage.

You do realize that someone light actually take your dreck as sound advice,
right?

GFY


Mutiny is a Management Tool
Select Your Tattoo while Sober

Thanks to all for your prompt responses. I have West Marine online
and am checking out a Nav kit, I've shot off a couple of queries to
the CG about local courses, and only time will tell if it will be
worthwhile pursuing a certification - but the experience will improve
my sailing, and that's what counts.

Thank you,

Alan

"Alan Parr" wrote in message
om...
Thanks to all for your prompt responses. I have West Marine online
and am checking out a Nav kit, I've shot off a couple of queries to
the CG about local courses, and only time will tell if it will be
worthwhile pursuing a certification - but the experience will improve
my sailing, and that's what counts.

Thank you,

Alan

Don't forget that book, Alan! Even if you ignore the sections on navigation,
it'll still serve a very important purpose: If other family members read it,
they might learn some of the things that the captain sometimes needs to YELL
during tense situations. Unfortunately, the book is missing one thing. I've
repeatedly told my first mate that for safety reasons, she should remove her
shirt while on the boat during nice weather. She wants to see it in writing
from another source, and I can't find it anywhere.

On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 20:36:27 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:


"Alan Parr" wrote in message
. com...
Thanks to all for your prompt responses. I have West Marine online
and am checking out a Nav kit, I've shot off a couple of queries to
the CG about local courses, and only time will tell if it will be
worthwhile pursuing a certification - but the experience will improve
my sailing, and that's what counts.

Thank you,

Alan

Don't forget that book, Alan! Even if you ignore the sections on navigation,
it'll still serve a very important purpose: If other family members read it,
they might learn some of the things that the captain sometimes needs to YELL
during tense situations. Unfortunately, the book is missing one thing. I've
repeatedly told my first mate that for safety reasons, she should remove her
shirt while on the boat during nice weather. She wants to see it in writing
from another source, and I can't find it anywhere.

It's a well known nautical fact that females have to take their shirts
off and expose their...er....themselves to the elements.

Why the hell do you think the female mastheads are half naked all the
time? [1]

Take care.

Tom

"The beatings will stop when morale improves."
E. Teach, 1717

[1] Think that will help Doug?

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 20:36:27 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:


"Alan Parr" wrote in message
. com...
Thanks to all for your prompt responses. I have West Marine online
and am checking out a Nav kit, I've shot off a couple of queries to
the CG about local courses, and only time will tell if it will be
worthwhile pursuing a certification - but the experience will improve
my sailing, and that's what counts.

Thank you,

Alan

Don't forget that book, Alan! Even if you ignore the sections on
navigation,
it'll still serve a very important purpose: If other family members read
it,
they might learn some of the things that the captain sometimes needs to
YELL
during tense situations. Unfortunately, the book is missing one thing.
I've
repeatedly told my first mate that for safety reasons, she should remove
her
shirt while on the boat during nice weather. She wants to see it in
writing
from another source, and I can't find it anywhere.

It's a well known nautical fact that females have to take their shirts
off and expose their...er....themselves to the elements.

Why the hell do you think the female mastheads are half naked all the
time? [1]

Take care.

Tom

Thank you, Tom. This may be the "another source" that takes care of my
onboard disagreement. It's unbelievable how some people don't understand the
meaning of the word "captain".

Also, you could try to find out if there is a maritime academy or college
near you that gives courses to the public.

to learn nav? what on Earth for? That is like going to a college to learn how
to brush one's teeth.

nav is simple. even more simple on the St. Croix River. Upstream is north,
downstream is south. Hit the dam and you are in St Croix Falls (east, where
the sun comes up) or Taylor's Falls (west, where the sun goes down).

Alan, don't sweat it. nav is easy

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
Also, you could try to find out if there is a maritime academy or college
near you that gives courses to the public.

to learn nav? what on Earth for? That is like going to a college to
learn how
to brush one's teeth.

nav is simple. even more simple on the St. Croix River. Upstream is
north,
downstream is south. Hit the dam and you are in St Croix Falls (east,
where
the sun comes up) or Taylor's Falls (west, where the sun goes down).

Alan, don't sweat it. nav is easy

Yeah. Easy. Compass variation & deviation can be lurnt rite on the bak of a
serial box.

Alan is a genius for wanting to learn. But, you are a complete moron.