okay, karl, have it your way. don't use a parceled on served with Spectra
safety line rolling hitched to your three-strand shock absorbing line.

however, your statement that fire hose is the "arguably the finest chafe
protection" available is still wrong.

you see, a wormed, parceled and served (with Spectra) three-strand line is
still MUCH more chafe-resistent than line wrapped with firehose and/or t-shirts
**AND** you can still place it in fire house if you feel you need even more
chafe protection.

fire hose works, but "arguably" is it not the finest chafe protection
available. better than a t-shirt for sure, but not hardly the best. Unless,
of course, you feel firehose is tougher than Spectra. (keep in mind, karl,
that in the past firehose was not considered even as good as serving with
regular line, just easier.)

Solve the chafe problem.

Don't create new ones - new places for failures.

First rule of engineering - don't create more points of possible failure
unless you MUST do so.

-- Karl

In article ,
JAXAshby wrote:


"weaker" than a chaffed line?

btw karl-genius, just how much does rolling hitching a secondary line to a
primary reduce the strength of the primary line?

I'd be interested in hearing your thoughts (with backup, please) on this
very
issue, for when I researched it I could find not a single instance of
scientific tests anywhere and/or even any wild-ass OPINION on the effect of
a
rolling hitch vis a vis strength of primary line ANYwhere.

Braided line to secure to a dock in a storm is IMHO suicidal.

karl, you missed a small point. braided line is used _only_ for the
safety
line taking all the load running through a chock, said braided line then
rolling hitched on to the three-strand line you are using.

you use braided line only for the parceled and served chafe protection
because
braided line stretches less from bitt to chock and there saws less over
the
chock.

three-stand line is, of course, the line you use to soak up the shock from
boat
to dock in a storm, just as three-strand line is the line you use to soak
up
the shock from from boat to well-set anchor in a storm.

you do set safety lines on your anchor lines when anchoring, right?

No, I didn't miss a small point.

You missed a large point. Tying knots in line makes it weaker.

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Sigh...

Spectra has its own problems - like being able to cut through other things,
for one.

I've yet to find a Spectra "tube" - I've seen them made out of nylon, but
that's not really very useful. Chafe gear made out of a Kevlar or other
"super fiber" that was available in a tube format would be useful - however,
at this point, they're not typically available commercially.

Fire hose is easily available, works, and solves the problem. No it won't
survive for a month in these applications. It doesn't have to - it only has
to survive the duration of the storm, after which you can discard it and cut
another piece for the next one.

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In article ,
JAXAshby wrote:

okay, karl, have it your way. don't use a parceled on served with Spectra
safety line rolling hitched to your three-strand shock absorbing line.

however, your statement that fire hose is the "arguably the finest chafe
protection" available is still wrong.

you see, a wormed, parceled and served (with Spectra) three-strand line is
still MUCH more chafe-resistent than line wrapped with firehose and/or t-shirts
**AND** you can still place it in fire house if you feel you need even more
chafe protection.

fire hose works, but "arguably" is it not the finest chafe protection
available. better than a t-shirt for sure, but not hardly the best. Unless,
of course, you feel firehose is tougher than Spectra. (keep in mind, karl,
that in the past firehose was not considered even as good as serving with
regular line, just easier.)

Solve the chafe problem.

Don't create new ones - new places for failures.

First rule of engineering - don't create more points of possible failure
unless you MUST do so.

-- Karl

In article ,
JAXAshby wrote:


"weaker" than a chaffed line?

btw karl-genius, just how much does rolling hitching a secondary line to a
primary reduce the strength of the primary line?

I'd be interested in hearing your thoughts (with backup, please) on this
very
issue, for when I researched it I could find not a single instance of
scientific tests anywhere and/or even any wild-ass OPINION on the effect of
a
rolling hitch vis a vis strength of primary line ANYwhere.

Braided line to secure to a dock in a storm is IMHO suicidal.

karl, you missed a small point. braided line is used _only_ for the
safety
line taking all the load running through a chock, said braided line then
rolling hitched on to the three-strand line you are using.

you use braided line only for the parceled and served chafe protection
because
braided line stretches less from bitt to chock and there saws less over
the
chock.

three-stand line is, of course, the line you use to soak up the shock from
boat
to dock in a storm, just as three-strand line is the line you use to soak
up
the shock from from boat to well-set anchor in a storm.

you do set safety lines on your anchor lines when anchoring, right?

No, I didn't miss a small point.

You missed a large point. Tying knots in line makes it weaker.

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Karl Denninger wrote:
Sigh...

Spectra has its own problems - like being able to cut through other things,
for one.

I've yet to find a Spectra "tube" - I've seen them made out of nylon, but
that's not really very useful. Chafe gear made out of a Kevlar or other
"super fiber" that was available in a tube format would be useful - however,
at this point, they're not typically available commercially.

Fire hose is easily available, works, and solves the problem. No it won't
survive for a month in these applications. It doesn't have to - it only has
to survive the duration of the storm, after which you can discard it and cut
another piece for the next one.

--


Firehose is find. I've used firehose for anchor and dockline chafe
protection for years...when the stuff shows wear, I toss it and use fresh.


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incompetent, and whose backers are turning the United States into a pariah.

What, me worry?

karl, Spectra comes on spools and is sold in various sizes in fishing tackle
shops.

I wouldn't worry too much about Spectra cutting through a metal chock in even
an extended storm. If *you* are worried about that happening, use braided line
to parcel and serve, because braided line had much less stretch, and you are
using the braided line as a safety line, aren't you?

besides, put the wormed, parceled, served with Spectra line inside the fire
hose you recommend the line first has to "cut through" (your term) the fire
hose ("arguably the finest chafe gear available" according to you) and THEN cut
through the metal chock and THEN through the boat's deck and THEN through the
boats hull to finally make the boat come free.

If all that happens, karl, you just gotta figure when your number is up your
number is up. God is just out to get ya, dood.

I've yet to find a Spectra "tube" - I've seen them made out of

karl, can I ask you a question? do *you* know what worming, parcelling and
serving means? Exactly? It's history goes back a long ways. If you want, I
can explain it to you. just ask.