BoatBanter.com - Terrorist Attack at Ohio School -- 13 shot, 4 dead

On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 23:47:51 GMT, (Thom)
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On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 08:20:28 GMT, Gunner
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On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 02:18:41 GMT, (Thom)
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On Sun, 19 Sep 2004 08:02:02 GMT, (Thom)
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On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 17:58:59 -0700, "Dan"
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On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 23:08:12 -0700, "Dan"
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On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 04:12:11 GMT, Nicholas Heyward
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Gunner wrote:

On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 19:40:30 GMT, Nicholas Heyward
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During Viet Nam they said we couldn't just leave Viet Nam, the evil
north Viet Namese
would bring chaos and death to the south.

The truth is they brought peace.

Sure they did.

First they killed or imprisioned most of the surviving Viet Cong,
along with anyone who worked for the Americans.

Finishing off Tet.

Tet ended in 1968 as a horrific defeat for the Communists.

But, then, our Civil War was ever so delicate an affair.

Thread change?

Then they ****ed off the Chinese who had to kick their ass several
times, as well as ****ing off a number of their neighbors who also
kicked their ass.

Not much of a student of history, I guess. The Vietnamese and
Chinese have been pretty much at war for centuries...

Yes and? They have also been buddies. The two rounds that dinged me
were manufactured in China, as were the grenades.

That's why they laughed so hard when US newpapers portrayed
them as Chinese puppets!

Dan

The Vietnamese and Chinese have had a love/hate relationship for many
years.

Still doesnt refute my statements, and you still look like an utter
dickhead. As does Haywierd.

And the Vietnamese and the Chinese are still Communists.

so not living in communes and having free market economies makes you a
coummunist??? What an interesting thought process.

THOM

Of course not. But then eating pussy doesn't make you a lesbian unless
you are female.

Thom old wank..do you somehow think that Communism simply dried up and
died with Marx?

Nope its still around, its call THE CHURCH. String central unelected
leader and people living communally in things called convents and
monistaries.

So Communalism, is the same as Communism?

almost but in the case of the church its almost text book communism.

1. Strong central unelected leader
2. All activity and priorities dictated from above.
3. People moved around as needed against their will
4. everyone living together communally

Sounds like the USSR to me? And lets not forget that the Church has
been responsible for more wars and invasions that the USSR ever was.

Sorry. Communism is a political theory developed by Marx and Ingles,
implimented by VI Lenin & Co.

If it has 4 wheels, 2 doors, and a flat bed in back..dont make it a
pickup truck. It could be quite a number of other sorts of trucks.

One may pick gaping holes in your list. The Pope is Elected. So #1 is
invalidated.
#2. Your office is Communist? Flawed definition, invalidated
#3. The Military or any school is Communist? Flawed definition,
invalidated
#4 A Girl Scout camp is Communist? Flawed, yada yada yada.

Is this your first introduction to Logic 101 or have you simply been
talking to the sheep on the next station for much too long?

Odd..Im sure most Native
American tribes will be really upset that the history books got it
wrong. As will the ghosts of Comrade Marx and Lenin.

I'm sure the only things the native americans will be concerned about
is the 20 million of their number we killed and or enslaved in 200
years or so of invasion and westward expansion. If Marx and Lenin are
proud of anyone its the people who did the killing at Wounded Knee,
Sand Creek and the like.

Hint bubba..Im Native American. As are many here on misc.survivalism.
Think hard before you start babbling any further and wind up looking
the bigger fool. Now..about the Aboriginals.....

But of course if your going to bring up communalism/communism of the
native americans then I thank you. Till whitie came along they were
doing quite well.

Some were Communalists, some tribes were members of actually
democratic type federations. The US got its first forms of government
from the 7 Nations. Hint..Marx and Lenin were not born yet.

Are you the same ****ing moron that made the claim
that the Union of Soviet Socialists Republics was not Communist?

Nope, but it was also Stalinist. Please read up and learn what that
is.

Blink Blink...it was Communism run by Unca Yosef Stalin, who came to
power in 1924, quite a few years after the death of Lenin, who took
over the country in 1917.

your dates are a hair off and its now believed that Stalin poisoned
Lenin.

No..the dates are correct. And it wouldnt be surprised if Stalin
purged Lenin..Stalin purged about 100 million people, give or take 20
million here and there. A communalist, he was not.

That Cuba is not a Communist Country?

correct, Cuba doesn't have communes. It turned to the USSR for help
when the right wingers in the USA supporting the Mafia and big
business turned against a popular revolution. It is a socialist state
but not a communist. There is a big difference.

Once again your grasp on geopolitical realpolitiks is so feeble to be
embaressing.

your failure to understand the difference between socialism and
communism is embarrassing.

Such as? As Lenin put it..Socialism is the first step of Communism.
Tis nothing more than Communism Lite. Not Communalism.

Didnt got to school huh?

That North Vietnam was not Communist?

correct. The North never really existed and is an artificial entity
created by the UN as a tempory state untill elections were held. Same
with the south. Nixon and Ike refused to hold free elections in March
1955 and Ho said I've had it and turned to whoever would aid him. He
would have been a card carrying raindeer if Santa had supplied him
with arms. He was first and foremost a Nationalists

And he became a Communist in France where he was schooled. While he
was indeed a nationalist..he was also a firm beliver that Communism
was the future.

Then why didn't he turn the North into one big commune? Also theres a
big bifference between the type of communism preached in the USSR and
in France. Communism is much like christianity, many flavors of it.
I don't look at labels, I look at actions.

You damned well better look at the Labels..cause thats what you are
arguing over. And Communism doesnt require all people living on
Communes. Gods blood boy, have you never read Marx, Ingles and Lenins
works? Geeeeszzzzus.

You have to understand that everyone that waved the red flag was a
real commie. Look at Tito, he told Stalin to get bent how many times?

Disagreements between Communists was quite common. God knows they
purged each other at regular intervals. And of course the border wars
between Red China and Russia were common and bloody.

But that goes against what we were brainwashed with in the 50's in
school. We were taught that theres one central head of communism and
all communists take their orders from Moscow. We were taught that if
the USSR goes away, all communism goes away and we must defeat Moscow.

And? In the 50s it was damned close to fact. International Marxism
was promoted and funded from Moscow. Including the Chicom version.

Tito proved that wrong and now of course the USSR is gone so if one
persists in saying there's still commies under your bed the question
must be asked... "were you lieing then or now?"

That Uncle Ho was not Communist?

see above

I see your dreck above.

Pragmatic uses of capitalist tools to earn hard currency doesnt make
them Capitalists, when their core Dilectic remains Communist, any
more than my shooting a 1891 Mosin Nagant makes me Communist.

Hold on. Communism is an economic model. It basically says that
people should work as a group for group good and the physical
expression is places like a collective farm. But even those farms had
to deal with money or some method of exchange. Pure communism is
quite old and the first 2000 years of the Egyptian Empire was
communist in that respect. People all had good homes (for the day),
ate the same food and when the farms were not in use seasonally they
wored on public works.

You keep confusing Communalism with Communism. While they share some
commonalities..they are not the same by any stretch of your twisted
imagination.

I imagine you also confuse Liberalism (neo) with Libertarianism.
Correct?

Not really, just labels. The ultra right wing party in Australia for
instance calls themselves the LIBERAL PARTY. Even the name of their
party is a lie. Protestants are now calling themselves Christians,
right wingers are calling themselves liberals etc etc etc. Better to
see what they do than say.

So if you believe this..why do you consistantly keep arguing about the
labels..and putting the wrong labels on the wrong groups?

Viet Nam has currency, people have jobs, many of the companies there
are actually swet shops for western compabies like NIKE. There are 9
political parties and free market socialism is the norm now.

The actual current name of Vietnam is
"Cong Hoa Xa Hoi Chu Nghia Viet Nam "

And can you tell me what the word "Cong" in the name means?

same BS as the LIBERAL PARTY name.

Really? Is that Classical Liberalism, Neo Liberalism, or New
Liberalism?

(hint..it means Communist)

I notice you failed even the simplist test at this point...snicker.

It wasnt until Party changes in its Politbureau liberalized trade that
the country even thought about getting some relief from its decades
long economic trip into the toilet.

Really? Been there? I have. VN traded freely with the soviet bloc
and its neighbors from day one. The Cambodian things caused problems
of course but the same people trading along the borders during the war
continued to do so after it. China was their big problem and the
Viets didn't like the Chinese communists at all and the border was
closed for years.

Chuckle..yes child..Ive been there. Lived there for years actually.
The Cambodian Things..now thats a nice euphimistic way of avoiding the
mass murder and the killing fields.

The Vietnames got a lot of their materials from Red China. And the
USSR. They were all Marxists. They often differed about how they were
going to impliment Marxism..and they often stepped on each others toes
and ****ed each other off. I killed more than one Red Chinese
officer in charge of groups of Vietnamese regular troops.

The issue with the USSR is that something needed to be done to drag
Russia etc out of the Tzarist stone age where 90% of the population
was peasants and illiterate. Hence the 5 year plans and central
planning. Stalin was a ******* of course but someone had to take the
reins and make a decision as how to bring the country up to western
standards. I disagree with the methods as any sane person would but
it worked. It might have been a necessary evil, same with China.
Since we can't re-run the experiment we will never know will we.

It worked? Russia is up to Western Standards, after 80 yrs of
Communist control? Really?

In some ways yes but where would it be if someone had not toppled the
Tzar? Russian military tecjnology actually exceeds ours. The SU-30
is the best operation fighter in the world, their "Black Eagle" tank
is better than anything we have, their Kornet missile goes thru
American tanks like butter without using DU, their space program
didn't blow up like out shuttles seem to etc etc. The Japanese exceed
us in some areas too. The Dutch make better cheese, the Japanese
better cameras, the British make better things too. Every country has
its good and bad points.

Yes and? I notice the qualifier you put in place.."in someways yes"
then started rambling about the Tzar. So you are admitting that your
statement was not only bogus, but over simplified?

You were there when again? Levis, rock and roll and McDonalds are not
particularly good indicators of economic realities..and one should
note..that the GUM stores didnt sell them until the Communist Party
and its goverment imploded

Oh good, so you've admitted VN isn't communist.

Of course not. Pragmatic implimentation of some capitalist functions
to gain capital and join the 21st century is not counter to the
Dialectic. Even Red China was doing it in the 50s. Right in the
middle of Maos purges.

You truely are an ignorant ****.

Yah right. Have you even been to a communist or socialist country?
Or do you just believe all the right wing BS? The truth lies
somewhere in the middle between right wing BS and far left wing
propaghanda.

Actually, yes I have been to a number of Communist countries,
including Vietnam, Russia, East Germany and Romania.

And how many San Francisco or New York style street people did you
have to step over to get into your hotel? Stalin and communism
truely sucked but in many ways the people would rather be equally
lower middle class then to have the mess we have in the USA with
people living in packing boxes blocks from mansions.

None. The Communists tended to take the poor and put them in work
camps, Siberia etc. They managed to feed the majority of their people
at a subsistance level. Except those that they murdered by intentional
starvation (Ukraine). Ive lived with Russians in their own homes. Few
starved after the 50s, but no one (except Party members and their
proteges) could ever rise above a basic subsistance level.

Which mess in the US? Anyone living in boxes are there because they
choose to do so. There are more than enough programs and funds
available for those truely needy that they dont have to live there.
Those living on the street are the insane, the addicted, or criminals.
And they are there by their own choice.

Even been to a real communist country called the Vatican?

Nope. I at one time was a member of the church organization that is
the core of the global religion called the Catholic Church, and its
political entity called the Vatican. (also visted it once. While the
architecture is impressive..the night life sucked)

Fun is not allowed in the far right wing is it? Whats that sign in
latin?
"Please observe the NO SMILING signs, no smiling please"

Were you molested by a priest or something? You are mighty bitter
about the RC. Interesting.

No matter, Im Buddhist.

THOM

THOM

Been on walkabout and got a touch too much sun, old boy?

Its winter down here, not much sun.

Ah..so thats the reason you are such an ass. Becareful..you dont want
to wind up like the Finns..highest suicide rate in the West. Must be
that lack of sun that ****s up their brains. Might explain your
issues.

Gunner

Gunner

"At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child -
miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied,
demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless.
Liberalism is a philosphy of sniveling brats." -- P.J. O'Rourke

"At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child -
miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied,
demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless.
Liberalism is a philosphy of sniveling brats." -- P.J. O'Rourke