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On Sun, 12 Sep 2004 09:38:45 GMT, Nicholas Heyward
wrote: Dan wrote: "Gunner" wrote Still longing for the days of the USSR? Perhaps he is just tired of the US&A being run by dickwads... Incompetent lying killer dickwads. Dan Evidently you fellows didn't get the word, Clinton is no longer president. Gunner "At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child - miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied, demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless. Liberalism is a philosphy of sniveling brats." -- P.J. O'Rourke |
On Sun, 12 Sep 2004 07:29:41 -0600, "Four Moron MONTHS!" _ wrote:
Throwing feces? Well, that seems to be a major capability you goddam Noble Republican turds have mastered. You ******s really hated it when that bootleg copy of the DNC playbook hit the net and the Right started using it as their own. Its fascinating to watch these Left/Libs totally unable to find workarounds when their own tactics are used against them. No agility, no ability, no nada on their part. Chuckle Gunner "At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child - miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied, demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless. Liberalism is a philosphy of sniveling brats." -- P.J. O'Rourke |
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On Sun, 12 Sep 2004 05:57:27 -0500, Icon O'Clast wrote:
On Sat, 11 Sep 2004 21:54:45 GMT, Gunner wrote: Another dumb as dirt Bush dick sucker, eh? Betcha your manhood is tied up in your pistolas. Another dumb as dirt Kerry lefty who equates firearms with manhood. More likely he realizes that someone like you, that has to beat your gums about their guns, is inadequate in some way. More likely still, that he is the victim of Liberal programming and his world view no longer matches to any significant decimal place, that of reality. You are way too obvious. You telegraph your moves. You would be the jittery one, probably talking to yourself. Way easy to pick off. G Not even a good try. But thanks for playing. Gunner Asch "At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child - miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied, demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless. Liberalism is a philosphy of sniveling brats." -- P.J. O'Rourke |
On Sun, 12 Sep 2004 07:26:53 -0600, "Four Moron MONTHS!" _ wrote:
E.E.Bud Keith wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Nick Hull wrote: In article , Jim wrote: Lawful my ass! -- no order to shoot was given, several of those killed were not part of the demenstration, merely walking to class and hit by "errant" bullets It's lawful anytime the law (gov t) does it. It's unlawful anytime you protest the law. Scumbags (taxpayers) are not entitled to the bill of rights ;) It's just another example, albeit historial, of the wonderful face of democracy we offer the world when the fascist Republicans are in office. I bet that you learned that from your Marist pals who said that anybody that thought they were nuts were Fascists. Is it ok if we refer to you a jewish pinko communist puke. -- Not dead, in jail, or a slave? Thank a liberal! And don't forget to pay your taxes so the rich don't have to! We all *knew* what a complete ****ing right wing ignoramus you are, "Bud".. Now we see that you are also a goddam racist. Well, that seems to be Common Feature Number 2 among the goddam Noble Republican turds. Eat ****, Bud. Based on the hate speech from you and your left-liberal buddies that Ive seen for the last 30 yrs, and the fact you need minorities to justify your actions and world views..minorities kept in check and under your control..Id have to say that your ilk are the bigots, racists and slave masters. Tsk tsk. And your attempts at misdirection are no longer camoflauged under the rhetoric. The entire world sees who and what you are..and not only are you found wanting..but you are found in contempt. Must really suck to be you. When you finally reach that "dark night of the soul", remember to cut lengthwise, not side to side across your wrists. Gunner "At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child - miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied, demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless. Liberalism is a philosphy of sniveling brats." -- P.J. O'Rourke |
On Sun, 12 Sep 2004 06:44:31 -0400, thunder
wrote: On Sun, 12 Sep 2004 07:49:25 +0000, Gunner wrote: Please provide cites of unlawful police activity in NYC during the Rep. Convention. No blogs please. http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/...tion.protests/ Dispite the fact you provided the links from a blog (CNN), lets examine it anyways... From your article.. 19-year-old man has been charged in connection with the beating of a detective during a demonstration Monday night near Madison Square Garden, site of the Republican National Convention. This part? The jist of the complaint seems to be NYPDs inability to process so many arrestees.. "NEW YORK (CNN) -- A judge in Manhattan held the city of New York in contempt Thursday, saying police did not abide by his order to release more than 500 people arrested in protests this week. The judge imposed a $1,000 fine for every person who was not released. State Supreme Court Judge John Cataldo had initially ordered that 560 people, rounded up in demonstrations surrounding the Republican National Convention, be released or made ready for arraignment by 5 p.m. Thursday. Later, Cataldo imposed sanctions after ruling that the city had failed to comply with his order. Cataldo rejected the city's argument that it was doing everything it could to expedite the releases. New York was overwhelmed when more than 1,100 protesters were arrested Tuesday and the judge "was wrong not to permit the city sufficient time to complete the processing of arrestees," attorney Michael Cardozo said." snip "You have to take fingerprints, you have to establish identities. Sometimes people don't want to tell you who they are and it just takes a while to go through the normal process. But given that we arrested four times the normal number on one day, I think that we have done a pretty good job," he said. ***************************** This is what you are complaining about? Black Blockers and other trash refuse to give their names, requireing an FBI print search which takes time..and you are bitching that the police department of a city government long and well known to be far Left of center is not working fast enough? Snicker..I was expecting to see accounts of infants run over by tanks, and head shots from bean bag guns..and this dreck is what you provide as a complaint? Would you like a little cheese to go with your Whine? Snicker Gunner Asch "At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child - miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied, demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless. Liberalism is a philosphy of sniveling brats." -- P.J. O'Rourke |
On Sun, 12 Sep 2004 11:10:06 GMT, Nicholas Heyward
wrote: thunder wrote: On Sun, 12 Sep 2004 07:49:25 +0000, Gunner wrote: Please provide cites of unlawful police activity in NYC during the Rep. Convention. No blogs please. http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/...tion.protests/ For the record, these were unlawful arrests. Provide the cites. NY State code will be a good start. Unlawful arrests may be resisted by whatever force necessary. Only if you have the nads to back it up. The NYC protestors would have been within thier rights to stop the unlawful arrests. State code cites please? And should I remember this the next time I see a liquor store robbery in progress and the robber claims its an unlawful arrest and he is only shooting in self defense to prevent an unlawful arrest? Gunner "At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child - miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied, demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless. Liberalism is a philosphy of sniveling brats." -- P.J. O'Rourke |
On Sun, 12 Sep 2004 16:50:59 GMT, "Jeffrey McCann"
wrote: "Gunner" wrote in message .. . On Sun, 12 Sep 2004 03:11:28 GMT, "Jeff McCann" wrote: "Julian D." wrote in message .. . On Sat, 11 Sep 2004 16:52:12 -0700, jps wrote: In article , says... I despise malcontent protesters. Well then, you're probably not the best person to consider the consequences of such action, are you? jps I'm wise enough to avoid doing anything that would get my skull crushed by a police baton. It takes real guts to confront the cops in a peaceful protest. It wasn't so long ago that swinging batons, firehoses, tear gas, and attack dogs were the all too common approach to dissent. Very recently, we saw official intimidation and unlawful detentions used against protester in NYC. Standing up to be counted is a dangerous undertaking, even in our supposedly enlightened era. But sometimes it just has to be done, and that means somebody has to find the guts to do it. Jeff Please provide cites of unlawful police activity in NYC during the Rep. Convention. No blogs please. Anti-war activist Rachael Perrotta was sitting on the front steps of a friend's house in Boston when four men approached her and told her they were from the FBI. They asked Perrotta for her name. An experienced political protester, Perrotta, 24, refused to answer. If they wanted to ask her questions, she said, they had to talk to her lawyer first. At this point, lawyers and legal experts say, the FBI agents should have turned around and left. But they didn't. "They just kept asking questions," Perrotta said. "It was a frightening experience." For 20 minutes, Perrotta said, the agents ignored her refusals to respond and continued to question her about possible violence during the presidential race and about other anti-war protesters in what government officials say was an attempt to prevent violence during election-year political events. The FBI acknowledges it has interviewed dozens of political activists across the country in recent weeks, having received intelligence "that individuals were planning to conduct violent criminal activity" at the Democratic convention in Boston last month, and the coming Republican National Convention in New York. But lawyers, human rights advocates and some U.S. lawmakers say the questioning has crossed the line into intimidation. Ill bet they did. And Ill further bet that they are mostly Left Liberals who are complaining. "I believe that the FBI is genuinely concerned about uncovering terrorist activity and violence," said Donna Lieberman, executive director of the New York Civil Liberties Union, but added that agents should honor protected dissent, the core of democracy. Attorney General John Ashcroft defended the FBI interviews at a news conference yesterday. Ashcroft said FBI agents interviewed only protesters they believed were plotting to firebomb media vehicles at the Democratic convention or might have known about such plots. Sounds fair to me. Ashcroft said suggestions that the interviews were aimed at stifling protests were an "outrageous distortion." "We interviewed a very limited number of people that we believed were either participating in a plan to criminally and violently disrupt the Democratic National Convention, or individuals that might have known something about that plan," Ashcroft said. Sounds fair. Joe Parris, an FBI spokesman in Washington, said officers from the bureau's Joint Terrorism Task Force are entitled to question activists about possible violence around high-profile election-year events. "The interviewees were free to talk to us or not. Nobody was taken into custody, locked up for interrogation. Nobody was given the third degree," he said. Sounds fair. But some legal experts say it is inappropriate for law enforcement agents to continue questioning people who have invoked their right to counsel. Some..operative word "some" Ill bet those legal experts are likely to be mouthpieces for the Left Libs. "It is a form of badgering, and it is clearly designed to coerce or intimidate witnesses with the objective being that they should speak to them without counsel," said Jonathan Turley, a George Washington University law professor. Where in the PC is badgering not a legitimate tactic? And please define Badgering. This week, several Democratic lawmakers called for a Justice Department investigation into whether the questioning violated the protesters' First Amendment rights. Oh hooo! Several Democrats...of course! In a letter to the Justice Department, Rep. John Conyers, D-Mich., the ranking Democrat on the House Judiciary Committee, and two other panel members, Reps. Jerrold Nadler, D-N.Y., and Robert Scott, D-Va., said the FBI appeared to be "engaged in systematic political harassment and intimidation of legitimate anti-war protesters." Now there is a trio of leftists that we can judge as fair and balanced..indeed...snicker... Gary Bald, assistant director of the FBI's counterterrorism division, said the bureau anticipates violent protests at the upcoming Republican National Convention in New York but does not have enough evidence to move against any group or person. Federal investigators have infiltrated some groups and are monitoring protest plans published on the Internet. New York officials have said they expect hundreds of thousands of people to stage demonstrations around the convention, which begins Aug. 30. http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/nation...312_fbi21.html ***** Three Democratic lawmakers on the House Judiciary Committee have criticized the FBI's interviews of protesters around the country. They asked the Justice Department's inspector general to investigate what they called "possible violations of First Amendment free speech and assembly rights." [snip] The committee's ranking Democrat, Michigan's John Conyers, along with Reps. Robert C. "Bobby" Scott of Virginia and Jerrold Nadler of New York, said in a letter that the FBI "appears to be engaged in systematic political harassment and intimidation of legitimate anti-war protesters." [snip] http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/...in636357.shtml ***** NEW YORK (AP) - Long-haired and bearded, Sebastian Licht said he set out Tuesday to celebrate his 22nd birthday, only to be mocked by a police officer as "Jesus" and swept up in one of the largest mass arrests in the nation's history. He emerged two days later from court - smelly, bleeding and determined to become the activist he says police feared he was. One of more than 1,700 people arrested this week at demonstrations aimed at the Republican National Convention, Licht gained his freedom on Thursday morning. A judge, frustrated at the city's pace in moving protesters through the criminal justice system, ordered the immediate release of nearly 500 of them. Most of those arrested were anti-GOP protesters, but some insist they got snared in the chaos. Licht puts himself in the latter category. Wearing a Polo Sport Ralph Lauren shirt and khaki shorts, Licht described his 6 p.m. arrest Tuesday in Herald Square, where he said he approached a subway station that he learned was closed only to be caught in a police sweep of the area. "Because I have long hair and a beard, they took me," he said. Being in the wrong place and at the wrong time had nothing to do with it, correct? At one point after his arrest, he said, a police officer saw him laughing. "What's so funny, Jesus?" he recalled the officer asking. Fair question. He said the officer then tightened the handcuffs and said, "It's not so funny now, is it, Jesus?" Blood seeped from a small cut on his wrist as he recalled the incident. bummer. I wonder if he will loose the hand. Now free, he said he planned to look for a protest rally, inspired by his experience and the many political discussions he heard while waiting with protesters to appear in court and be released. He called it the "birth of my activism." Surrrre he does. Among more seasoned activists emerging from court was Mikel Stone, 29, of Denver, who described his time at a detention center on Pier 57 as a nightmare, part of the same two-day odyssey experienced by Licht. "My throat still hurts and my joints are achy," he said. He said a thick black oily residue on the floor of Pier 57 stained his pants during the two days he was locked up after he was caught in a police net arrest at Herald Square on Tuesday. Oh horrors..the Seasoned Activist got his pants dirty!!!!!! the horror..the horror..... A political science student and anti-war activist, Stone said he believed harsh detention conditions were part of an effort by the city to be "cruel and demoralizing." What..did he want MTV? Still, he said he planned to protest Thursday night. Hummmm sounds like he got out quick enough and he wasnt too demoralized.... Tim Kulik, 22, a photography student at the Rochester Institute of Technology who was transporting film for photographers at The Associated Press when he was arrested late Tuesday on his bicycle, was freed Thursday after 35 hours. He said he was scraped on his face and bruised on his leg and neck when a police officer tackled him before other officers completed the arrest. The officer who tackled him later tightened his handcuffs when he asked that they be loosened, he said. And why was he tackled? And where was his press credentials? "As far as police, they're good, pretty objective and professional, but then I encountered plenty of disrespectful police who abuse their positions," he said. At least they didnt call him Jesus. Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly said officers acted with restraint. In a statement Thursday, he said there had been "exaggerated claims and outright falsehoods" about the conditions at the post-arrest screening site at Pier 57. That I can believe. He said most detainees are held there for 90 minutes, none was there longer than eight hours and all had immediate access to toilet facilities and drinking water. Some probably were held longer, particularly those that refused to provide ID. Note that in most protest literature..its recommended that you never go to a protest with ID, as it intentionally slows down the booking process. Civil rights lawyer Norman Siegel, who led Thursday's court fight to get the detainees freed, said the long detentions were illegal, especially since the time in overcrowded, dirty conditions was disproportionate to the alleged misdemeanor crimes, such as disorderly conduct. Snicker..... "People engaged in real crimes are getting out quicker than the protesters," he said. "It's an Alice in Wonderland approach." No..its called..Those arrested for more serious crimes already are in the computer, already know the drill and provide proper ID and do not try to slow down the booking process. No sympathy from me. Gunner "At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child - miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied, demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless. Liberalism is a philosphy of sniveling brats." -- P.J. O'Rourke |
Gunner wrote in message . ..
On 12 Sep 2004 10:00:56 -0700, (Zobicus) wrote: Gunner wrote in message . .. On Sat, 11 Sep 2004 22:08:06 -0400, Harry Krause wrote: Dan wrote: "Gunner" wrote Of course no order to fire was given. And as Ive previously noted..if Im attacked by a mob, Im not going to wait for a fire order. Were they attacked by a mob, they would have been justified in firing. As to having no business on campus..when an area is under riot conditions, that is exactly what the Guard is for. There were no riot conditions, so the Guard should not have been ordered onto campus. Simple. But, of course, to Neocons, any peaceful protest is a "riot." I guess that comes from being ignorant cowards. Dan The national guard attack on the students in Ohio clearly shows what happens when idiots are allowed to have guns. No..the student attack on the national guard in in Ohio clearly shows what happens when idiots attack armed men. That's some intense spin. No less than the truth though. Shrug. Never ever attack people better armed than you, unless you are very good, very lucky and so forth. So it's the truth that they were all idiots? That's what you said. You're calling 1500 people idiots. Let's be clear. Shrug. Gunner Shug. Checkmate Gunner "At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child - miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied, demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless. Liberalism is a philosphy of sniveling brats." -- P.J. O'Rourke Liberalism comfortably displayed as a strawman. How convenient for you. Now you can write off an entire way of thinking. That should make things easier to process, yes? "At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child - miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied, demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless. Liberalism is a philosphy of sniveling brats." -- P.J. O'Rourke The Dignified Way to Vomit: Remain standing. With right hand, hold cocktail to the side at arm's length. Bow deeply at the waist. Include all regurgitation in one retch. Resume upright position. Use left hand to wipe mouth with handkerchief (not toilet paper). Take another drink. -- P.J. O'Rourke |
Gunner wrote:
On Sun, 12 Sep 2004 07:26:53 -0600, "Four Moron MONTHS!" _ wrote: E.E.Bud Keith wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Nick Hull wrote: In article , Jim wrote: Lawful my ass! -- no order to shoot was given, several of those killed were not part of the demenstration, merely walking to class and hit by "errant" bullets It's lawful anytime the law (gov t) does it. It's unlawful anytime you protest the law. Scumbags (taxpayers) are not entitled to the bill of rights ;) It's just another example, albeit historial, of the wonderful face of democracy we offer the world when the fascist Republicans are in office. I bet that you learned that from your Marist pals who said that anybody that thought they were nuts were Fascists. Is it ok if we refer to you a jewish pinko communist puke. -- Not dead, in jail, or a slave? Thank a liberal! And don't forget to pay your taxes so the rich don't have to! We all *knew* what a complete ****ing right wing ignoramus you are, "Bud".. Now we see that you are also a goddam racist. Well, that seems to be Common Feature Number 2 among the goddam Noble Republican turds. Eat ****, Bud. Based on the hate speech from you and your left-liberal buddies that Ive seen for the last 30 yrs, and the fact you need minorities to justify your actions and world views..minorities kept in check and under your control..Id have to say that your ilk are the bigots, racists and slave masters. Tsk tsk. And your attempts at misdirection are no longer camoflauged under the rhetoric. The entire world sees who and what you are..and not only are you found wanting..but you are found in contempt. Wingnut! Must really suck to be you. When you finally reach that "dark night of the soul", remember to cut lengthwise, not side to side across your wrists. Delighting in death. The neocon mantra. Gunner "At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child - miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied, demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless. Liberalism is a philosphy of sniveling brats." -- P.J. O'Rourke |
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