There are tons of old boats around with large (over 100hp) old 2 strokes
that are no longer worth the trouble especially with labor, parts and fuel
costs.

If you are mechanically inclined and the boat is free, that could be another
story and a hobbyist's dream. For most though it will be a "nightmare".

PS: They might make a good mooring?

--
Bill Kiene

This is either a troll, or the most inane comment I've seen today.

There is though, an active conspiricy amongst the dealers to get these
things off the water. This includes inflated labor rates, inflated parts
costs, and poorly trained service personell who don't know how to work on
them properly.

Since they are so simple to work on... I surely wouldn't take a newer, more
complex, outboard to any shop that couldn't properly troubleshoot or tune up
a 1980 140hp Merc.

-W




"Bill Kiene" wrote in message
m...
There are tons of old boats around with large (over 100hp) old 2 strokes
that are no longer worth the trouble especially with labor, parts and fuel
costs.

If you are mechanically inclined and the boat is free, that could be
another
story and a hobbyist's dream. For most though it will be a "nightmare".

PS: They might make a good mooring?

--
Bill Kiene

This is either a troll, or the most inane comment I've seen today.

You tell 'em Clams

"Clams Canino" wrote in message hlink.net...
This is either a troll, or the most inane comment I've seen today.

There is though, an active conspiricy amongst the dealers to get these
things off the water. This includes inflated labor rates, inflated parts
costs, and poorly trained service personell who don't know how to work on
them properly.

Since they are so simple to work on... I surely wouldn't take a newer, more
complex, outboard to any shop that couldn't properly troubleshoot or tune up
a 1980 140hp Merc.


Clams,

I agree its BS. Aside from that, large 2 strokes have 200+ HP not 100+ HP


Matt

I think there is a place for 2 strokes and a place for 4 strokes. If you are
really interested in running an appreciable portion of WOT all the time you
need a 2 stroke.
If you are content to cruise at 3000-3500 RPM a 4 stroke is probably for you.

I think there is a place for 2 strokes and a place for 4 strokes.

Yes, and if there were some decent mechanics around here that would actually
get your boat back to you before the end of NEXT season a new 4 stroke would be
nice. If you didnt need 4 million dollars worth of diagnostic equipment to fix
one, a new four stroke would be nice.

I'll give up my old 2 stroke when they pry my cold, dead fingers off the
throttle. Hmmm, that sounds familiar.

Today they do.... but I think he meant "large" as in 100 and **up**.

It take a minimum of about 90hp at the propshaft to propel your "average"
family runnabout and be able to use it for fishing / skiing / tubing etc.
Granted, tournament bass boats need a bit more corn to be competative.

Two stroke outboards broke "the 100 hp barrier" in 1962 with the Merc 1000
that was featured in popular mechanics magazine.

A quick flurry of improvements saw the "Tower of Power" go to 110, 125, 135,
140, and 150hp over the next 10 years. Between 1962 and 1988 Mercury made
hundreds of thousands of these critters, each *still* quite capable of
powering a brand new runnabout.

-W (who has new Seaswirl runnabout with about 50 hours on the hull, powered
by a 16 year old Tower. Order it "Mercury pre-rig please!" and go find your
own Tower hehe )


"Matt Lang" wrote in message


I agree its BS. Aside from that, large 2 strokes have 200+ HP not 100+ HP



Matt

I used to be the owner of a '68 Merc 1250 ... a nice machine.. back
then it was THE ****kicker motor

Matt

"Clams Canino" wrote in message hlink.net...
Today they do.... but I think he meant "large" as in 100 and **up**.

It take a minimum of about 90hp at the propshaft to propel your "average"
family runnabout and be able to use it for fishing / skiing / tubing etc.
Granted, tournament bass boats need a bit more corn to be competative.

Two stroke outboards broke "the 100 hp barrier" in 1962 with the Merc 1000
that was featured in popular mechanics magazine.

A quick flurry of improvements saw the "Tower of Power" go to 110, 125, 135,
140, and 150hp over the next 10 years. Between 1962 and 1988 Mercury made
hundreds of thousands of these critters, each *still* quite capable of
powering a brand new runnabout.

-W (who has new Seaswirl runnabout with about 50 hours on the hull, powered
by a 16 year old Tower. Order it "Mercury pre-rig please!" and go find your
own Tower hehe )


"Matt Lang" wrote in message


I agree its BS. Aside from that, large 2 strokes have 200+ HP not 100+ HP



Matt

Ya, that was the 1st 99ci block, and they grew up fast.....
1350 in 1970,
1400 in 1972,
1500 by 1973.

For a time there in the 70's all those beasts were the kings of the
lake.....
1500's still win the top NMMA titles in the "under 100ci classes" , they're
done screaming when we say they're done screaming.

There's a '68 1250 near me that's powering an 80's vintage family ski-boat,
seems to be doing just fine out there.

-W

"Matt Lang" wrote in message
om...
I used to be the owner of a '68 Merc 1250 ... a nice machine.. back
then it was THE ****kicker motor

Matt

Also Sprach Bill Kiene :
There are tons of old boats around with large (over 100hp) old 2 strokes
that are no longer worth the trouble especially with labor, parts and fuel
costs.

Feh. My 140 HP Johnson is almost as old as I am, and has been 100%
relible in the 5 years I've owned it. Parts, if needed, are far cheaper
than a brand new 4-stroke or DFI 2 stroke. For one thing, there are far
fewer parts to begin with. Also, since it's been around forever, there
are plenty of aftermarket manufacturers to buy parts from, while with a
brand new engine you have no choice other than the manufacterer's
parts.

An example, I replaced the water pump earlier this season. It cost me
$39.95 for a complete kit, new impeller, gaskets, housing and
liner. Anyone want to look up what it costs for a 2004 4-stroke of
similar size?

The fuel cost argument is a non-starter. A few extra gallons a
year is FAR cheaper than spending 15,000 plus installation costs to
repower.

Dan

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JESUS SAVES, but I makes backups!