snip
Chuck, there's nothing sudden about it, and the three stated elements of
strategy listed in your post are not mutually exclusive; nor were they
difficult to see right from the start by those who cared to look.
Yep, the PNAC site lays it all our pretty well.

This has
always been about the strategic securing of the mid-east
... Oil ...
and preventing
attacks, and doing so by killing or thwarting terrorists, the historically
chosen mo of the Arab/Muslim world.
And tell me abain how well has the west been about to pull this off over the
last thousand or so years? The middle east folks seem to have developed a
plans that has stopped every other agressor to visit thier lands. They have
had a lot of practice.

This has always been about western
representative governments, led by
Now here is an odd little snippet - tell me again about this coalition of
the willing? It will be very interesting to see how things go when the Brits
throw Blair out on his ass.

the US, telling the other large group of
world populace that, NO, we are not going to stand idly by while a
medieval
people
Telling choice of adjective. Would it would be better if they were ultra
modern? When the Soviets were telling the world about their intrests in the
middle east things somehow looked different from *our* point of view. I
doubt that the folks in the middle east saw a lot of difference.

with primitive theocratic notions of law and society
Right on! Tell that to the US religouis right!

destroys every
legal, social, and economic human betterment that western civilization has
generated in the last thousand years.

Destrction of everything we hold dear? Correct me if I got this wrong - as I
recall - they have been trying to get the west to butt out of their
business. In reading through the OBL stuff on the web, I did not see much
about the destruction of the west. Perhaps you have a cite that can clear
this up for me?

Mark Browne

"Mark Browne" wrote in message news:dcSdnbd-

Yep, the PNAC site lays it all our pretty well.

Not only PNAC. The necessary strategy is clear to any who can see past
their own nose. As I said earlier "...nor were they difficult to see right
from the start by those who cared to look."


This has
always been about the strategic securing of the mid-east

... Oil ...

Simplistic leftists would like everyone to believe that it is all about oil,
but it's about the strategic securing of the mid-east. The reliable flow of
crude is, by definition, part of the equation.

And tell me abain how well has the west been about to pull this off over
the
last thousand or so years?

Now here is an odd little snippet - tell me again about this coalition of
the willing?

Telling choice of adjective. Would it would be better if they were ultra
modern?

Any cogent point you may have been trying to make in these previous three
paragraphs has eluded me.

with primitive theocratic notions of law and society

Right on! Tell that to the US religouis right!

Have Christian sects in the US set up their own governments and legal
systems? Did I miss the news today? If you seriously attempt to equate the
Christian right in the US with Muslim fundamentalist theocracies, you have
truly lost touch.


Destrction of everything we hold dear? Correct me if I got this wrong -

You're wrong.

In reading through the OBL stuff on the web, I did not see much
about the destruction of the west. Perhaps you have a cite that can clear
this up for me?

Cite, Shmite. If you look for legitimate plans and goals of al Qaida et al
on their websites, your naiveté will show through. All you have to do is
look around you.

The terrorists have little to fear when we are
distracting ourselves by making war on organized armed forces that have never
attacked us, and are not credible threats in the future.


PS: The PNAC strategies were conceived with the concept of defending the US
against terrorism as a secondary, rather than primary priority. The military
adventures recommended by PNAC are not well advised when defending the US
against terrorism must now be our highest strategic priority. Bush is
surrounded by the authors of the PNAC doctrine- Cheney, Wolfowitz, etc etc etc.
All of his advisors are giving him biased and ultimately ineffective advice.

"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...
The terrorists have little to fear when we are
distracting ourselves by making war on organized armed forces that have
never
attacked us, and are not credible threats in the future.


PS: The PNAC strategies were conceived with the concept of defending the
US
against terrorism as a secondary, rather than primary priority.

Wrong. Ridding the World of terrorism was one of the benefits predicted in
the Pax Americana vision for the future.

Wrong. Ridding the World of terrorism was one of the benefits predicted in
the Pax Americana vision for the future.

"Secondary"

Look it up. :-)

You skipped "and infiltrate" which would be the lengthy part. Given that you
disregarded that, the rest of your post didn't warrant reading.

Please start over.

John H

No need. There is some *extremely* active recruiting right now by the terrorist
organizations. It ain't all that tough to get in. We have our weaknesses, might
as well exploit one of theirs.

One shouldn't reject an entire concept based upon the reluctance to agree with
a specific detail.

Now imagine that you could have gotten laid 70 times by a different
virgin each time.

Do you still think that you wouldn't strap on a suicide bomb?



If I tried to lay 70 virgins in any sort of quick succession, I wouldn't need a
bomb to commit suicide.

But what a way to go. :-)

Gould 0738 wrote:
Now imagine that you could have gotten laid 70 times by a different
virgin each time.

Do you still think that you wouldn't strap on a suicide bomb?



If I tried to lay 70 virgins in any sort of quick succession, I wouldn't need a
bomb to commit suicide.

But what a way to go. :-)


Virgins? Pffft.




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