On Mon, 06 Sep 2004 11:50:38 -0400, Harry Krause wrote:


One of the most serious problems facing Israel is the extraordinarily high
Palestinian birth rate. And that's an issue we too will face with the
Islamist world.

That birth rate problem can be extended to all of the First World. Most
First World countries birth rates provide for a negative population
growth. Immigration has sustained growth in our population and economy
for some time. It seems to me, it is only a matter of time until the have
nots decide to get some.

On Mon, 06 Sep 2004 16:28:14 +0000, NOYB wrote:


BTW--If Putin reaches the conclusion that Iran is funding al Qaeda, and al
Qaeda played a role in the massacre of those kids, Iran is toast...Bush
will have his coalition for the next stage in the war against terror.

*If*, and *if*... What makes you think Russia can afford another war
anymore than we can?

"thunder" wrote in message
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On Mon, 06 Sep 2004 16:22:57 +0000, NOYB wrote:


Are you subscribed to the *daily* updates? The electionprojection map
that I'm looking at is from 9/5...and Oregon and Washington are leaning
Kerry on that map. So is New Mexico and New Hampshire. However,
Kerry's
lead in all of those is less than 1 point. And remember...the data
doesn't refelct Bush's full post-convention bounce because some of the
polls used in the calculations haven't been updated yet since before the
convention began.

You may want to add the following link to your bookmarks. It's updated
nightly.

http://www.electoral-vote.com/

That site also states that Rassmussen has explained that the Times and
Newsweek polls included too many republicans. That's pretty amazing that
they know that Rassmussen is saying that already...because Rassmussen's own
website said that he'd give the reason for a discrepancy in the different
polls at 3 pm E.T. today. How does the author of your electoral-vote
website know what Rassmussen is going to say 2 hours before Rassmussen says
it?

"thunder" wrote in message
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On Mon, 06 Sep 2004 16:28:14 +0000, NOYB wrote:


BTW--If Putin reaches the conclusion that Iran is funding al Qaeda, and
al
Qaeda played a role in the massacre of those kids, Iran is toast...Bush
will have his coalition for the next stage in the war against terror.

*If*, and *if*... What makes you think Russia can afford another war
anymore than we can?

You can't fight only the wars you can "afford". Some wars need to be fought
no matter the cost. This is one of them.

Nevertheless, the Russians really just need to give their blessing. The
Defense Department already has the war plans for Iran locked away and ready
to go. Having the Russians along with us would just be a huge bonus...which
would especially help in post-war peacekeeping.

On Mon, 06 Sep 2004 17:08:49 +0000, NOYB wrote:


That site also states that Rassmussen has explained that the Times and
Newsweek polls included too many republicans. That's pretty amazing that
they know that Rassmussen is saying that already...because Rassmussen's
own website said that he'd give the reason for a discrepancy in the
different polls at 3 pm E.T. today. How does the author of your
electoral-vote website know what Rassmussen is going to say 2 hours before
Rassmussen says it?

Liberal conspiracy? Perhaps, you should wait until 3 pm to see if he is
correct. By the by, others have noticed the faulty weighing:

http://www.mydd.com/story/2004/9/4/154842/1919

On Mon, 06 Sep 2004 17:15:24 +0000, NOYB wrote:


Nevertheless, the Russians really just need to give their blessing. The
Defense Department already has the war plans for Iran locked away and
ready to go. Having the Russians along with us would just be a huge
bonus...which would especially help in post-war peacekeeping.

I'm sure we have the plans to invade the United Kingdom locked away
somewhere, but I'm not sure we have the man power. Or are you proposing a
national draft?

"Gould 0738" wrote in message
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So your recommended course of action would be to hang around the hive,
identify and separate out the few bees that actually did the stinging,
and
relocate these bees for punishment?

Now you've taken the analogy too far.
I was simply pointing out that we are undertaking an impractical response
with
our determination to militarily subdue any and all countries where a
terrorist
is reputed to live.

What would be your response? Would you wait until the next attack to see if
the terrorists really meant to harm us?

We will wind up with the rest of the world so ****ed at us, we won't be
able to
kill terrorists as fast as they're being born.
That's what the terrorists are counting on, IMO. They expect the US to act
like
macho cowboys, and so become our *own* worst enemy.

At least we will be defending ourselves rather than rolling over taking it
the...

snip

BTW--If Putin reaches the conclusion that Iran is funding al Qaeda, and al
Qaeda played a role in the massacre of those kids, Iran is toast...Bush
will
have his coalition for the next stage in the war against terror.

snip
Hmmm, that may work about as well as the current pacification efforts in
Chechnya. It may be instructive to reflect on how many of the conservative
suggestions for the middle east have been tried by Russia, and have failed
miserably.

Mark Browne

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BTW--If Putin reaches the conclusion that Iran is funding al Qaeda,
and
al
Qaeda played a role in the massacre of those kids, Iran is
toast...Bush
will have his coalition for the next stage in the war against terror.

*If*, and *if*... What makes you think Russia can afford another war
anymore than we can?

You can't fight only the wars you can "afford". Some wars need to be
fought
no matter the cost. This is one of them.

snip
Tell that to the *former* Soviet Union.

"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
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"Gould 0738" wrote in message
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So your recommended course of action would be to hang around the hive,
identify and separate out the few bees that actually did the stinging,
and
relocate these bees for punishment?

Now you've taken the analogy too far.
I was simply pointing out that we are undertaking an impractical
response
with
our determination to militarily subdue any and all countries where a
terrorist
is reputed to live.

What would be your response? Would you wait until the next attack to see
if
the terrorists really meant to harm us?

snip
Spend some time reflecting on "The Troubles" in Ireland!
After considerable effort, it was learned that naked force was not the
correct answer.
The lessons learned *can* be applied to the middle east.

Mark Browne